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On October 07 2014 01:42 Ropid wrote:
Using more than one graphics card works in current Windows.
Do you have integrated graphics in your CPU+motherboard? That also works. You just have to activate it manually in the BIOS because it turns itself off on the default setting if there's a graphics card installed.
I tried plugging into my integrated graphics, but it didn't work out.
I didn't try activating the card though. I'll give that a shot when I get home. Thanks for the idea
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Can someone look at this build and tell me if anything stands out / is wrong? So many games are coming out now that require DX11 GPU and I'm missing them all. I don't know a lot about hardware but I want to play current gen games maxed out for a few years. This (with 2x 2TB HD's, extra fans and cpu heatsink) for $1600.
Intel i7 5820K
Corsair 8 GB [4 GB x2] DDR4-2400
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 - 4GB
Mobo Gigabyte GA-X99-UD4
750w PSU
Corsair Graphite Series 230T Case
It would most likely be an EVGA 970, due to availability, but the last few pages seem to be condemning it. Is it really that bad in comparison to the other manufacturers?
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The EVGA 970 has had several defects with its heatsink: http://www.eteknix.com/evga-gtx-970-feature-manufacturing-defect/
So it's not recommended to get that card, it's available because no one wants it. :p
Also, what PSU are you going to get? Saying you're getting a 750W PSU is like telling someone you're getting a car with 100 hp. That doesn't tell you anything. 
I'm assuming you want the extra PSU wattage to SLI down the line? Not a bad idea, though you can get by with a quality 550W unit if you're going to SLI 970s.
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Where do I buy heatsinks for the VRMs on my GPU? I did the "red" mod for my 7950 where I strapped a CPU CLC to the GPU die and now my VRM temps are starting to spike.
I would be buying for USA; Newegg doesn't seem to have the recommended ones in stock anymore, and I can't find them/they don't stock them on FrozenCPU.
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On October 07 2014 04:19 Incognoto wrote:The EVGA 970 has had several defects with its heatsink: http://www.eteknix.com/evga-gtx-970-feature-manufacturing-defect/So it's not recommended to get that card, it's available because no one wants it. :p Also, what PSU are you going to get? Saying you're getting a 750W PSU is like telling someone you're getting a car with 100 hp. That doesn't tell you anything. I'm assuming you want the extra PSU wattage to SLI down the line? Not a bad idea, though you can get by with a quality 550W unit if you're going to SLI 970s.
I hadn't really decided on the PSU exactly. In my 14 years of owning PCs in every single build I've always had to replace it at least once due to failure. I'm not exactly loyal to any brand since they've all failed on me.  Probably just any generic Thermaltake or Corsair. Maybe that's why they keep dying on me, I keep choosing bad ones..
Thanks for letting me know about the heatsink issue, I understand now why people don't want it!
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fwiw, the EVGA GTX 980 has a different cooler, as do GTX 970s with an ACX 2.0 cooler (on some but not all of the EVGA GTX 970 models). And also many others have had direct-touch heatpipes on GPU coolers not even touching the chip in the past. It's nothing new and those auxiliary heatpipes do accomplish nonzero heat transfer.
On October 07 2014 03:50 VirtuallyJesse wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Can someone look at this build and tell me if anything stands out / is wrong? So many games are coming out now that require DX11 GPU and I'm missing them all. I don't know a lot about hardware but I want to play current gen games maxed out for a few years. This (with 2x 2TB HD's, extra fans and cpu heatsink) for $1600.
Intel i7 5820K
Corsair 8 GB [4 GB x2] DDR4-2400
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 - 4GB
Mobo Gigabyte GA-X99-UD4
750w PSU
Corsair Graphite Series 230T Case
It would most likely be an EVGA 970, due to availability, but the last few pages seem to be condemning it. Is it really that bad in comparison to the other manufacturers?
I'm not really seeing the sense in LGA 2011-3 unless you need the extra cores or run 3+ GPUs or need the extra RAM or whatever else in the platform. Otherwise, it's mostly just throwing money into something for the sake of it, with little returns.
If you want some decent power supply that will last, try Rosewill Capstone. That's a time-tested platform and has a seven-year warranty. The build itself should use under 300W before overclocking as it is, so 450-550W range is plenty if you're not adding another card. If you are, 650W is plenty. If you really spend up you can find stuff built like tanks, but it's probably not worth it.
On October 07 2014 04:40 xes wrote:
Where do I buy heatsinks for the VRMs on my GPU? I did the "red" mod for my 7950 where I strapped a CPU CLC to the GPU die and now my VRM temps are starting to spike.
I would be buying for USA; Newegg doesn't seem to have the recommended ones in stock anymore, and I can't find them/they don't stock them on FrozenCPU.
Better than nothing would be generic chip / RAM heatsinks you can find on eBay or wherever else. Just make sure you have a way of mounting it in place (adhesive thermal tape, etc.) or that it comes with it. Check reviews of aftermarket (air) GPU coolers: those show the kinds of products that usually get shipped for this purpose. That said, temps are often high on those setups for the VRMs, and that's still with fans nearby...
Depending on VRM alignment, a larger heatsink contacting multiple chips may be able to fit.
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On October 07 2014 03:50 VirtuallyJesse wrote:
Can someone look at this build and tell me if anything stands out / is wrong? So many games are coming out now that require DX11 GPU and I'm missing them all. I don't know a lot about hardware but I want to play current gen games maxed out for a few years. This (with 2x 2TB HD's, extra fans and cpu heatsink) for $1600.
Intel i7 5820K
Corsair 8 GB [4 GB x2] DDR4-2400
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 - 4GB
Mobo Gigabyte GA-X99-UD4
750w PSU
Corsair Graphite Series 230T Case
It would most likely be an EVGA 970, due to availability, but the last few pages seem to be condemning it. Is it really that bad in comparison to the other manufacturers?
For gaming I'd say your money is better spent on either a 980 or a second 970 than going for X99 platform. Just get a 4690 or 4790 with DDR3 and a Z97 mobo and put the money on more horsepower in the GPU department.
Also a lot of people around here like to recommend PSU's of 450, but in the real world there's very little extra you have to spend to get more wattage of the same PSU that not going for like 600/650 might bite you in the ass later on. Basically having a solid PSU will last you through two or three major upgrades at least so why even consider going for the bare minimum.
Another reason is that PSU's lose effect over time, a PSU that you are close to max load on today might not be enough in a few years when it's time to upgrade.
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On October 07 2014 05:32 Firkraag8 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 03:50 VirtuallyJesse wrote:
Can someone look at this build and tell me if anything stands out / is wrong? So many games are coming out now that require DX11 GPU and I'm missing them all. I don't know a lot about hardware but I want to play current gen games maxed out for a few years. This (with 2x 2TB HD's, extra fans and cpu heatsink) for $1600.
Intel i7 5820K
Corsair 8 GB [4 GB x2] DDR4-2400
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 - 4GB
Mobo Gigabyte GA-X99-UD4
750w PSU
Corsair Graphite Series 230T Case
It would most likely be an EVGA 970, due to availability, but the last few pages seem to be condemning it. Is it really that bad in comparison to the other manufacturers? For gaming I'd say your money is better spent on either a 980 or a second 970 than going for X99 platform. Just get a 4690 or 4790 with DDR3 and a Z97 mobo and put the money on more horsepower in the GPU department.
Can +1, get yourself an unlocked Haswell i5 and you're good to go; you're much better off getting a 980/SLI'd 970s for purely gaming.
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Thanks for the advice guys, teamliquid is always so helpful. 
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On October 07 2014 03:24 GeneralStan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 01:42 Ropid wrote:
Using more than one graphics card works in current Windows.
Do you have integrated graphics in your CPU+motherboard? That also works. You just have to activate it manually in the BIOS because it turns itself off on the default setting if there's a graphics card installed. I tried plugging into my integrated graphics, but it didn't work out. I didn't try activating the card though. I'll give that a shot when I get home. Thanks for the idea
An update to this in case anybody has a similar issue:
My Intel motherboard had an option called "igpu multi monitor", which is the option you are looking for to enable the onboard GPU while still using a discrete card. I can't promise that your motherboard will support a similar option
Mine was enabled as it turns out, so a trip to the bios wasn't necessary. What I did need was to install a driver for the onboard graphics. Once that driver was installed, my third monitor was recognized immediately.
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On October 07 2014 05:45 VirtuallyJesse wrote:Thanks for the advice guys, teamliquid is always so helpful.
I also want to advise a solid state drive. A solid state drive is the single biggest upgrade I've ever made to a computer. It's seriously amazing
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650w is good for 2x gm204 (970, 980) and quad core Haswell, way more comfortable on power and 550 to 650 is usually the cutoff i think for having 4x 6+2 pins instead of 2x 6+2 pins, so it helps. That was one mistake that i made buying a Golden Green HX550.
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never hurts to ask for more information =p gigabyte 970 finally in stock (thank you alerts!) so yay!
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On October 07 2014 05:56 GeneralStan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 05:45 VirtuallyJesse wrote:Thanks for the advice guys, teamliquid is always so helpful. I also want to advise a solid state drive. A solid state drive is the single biggest upgrade I've ever made to a computer. It's seriously amazing
But if you only use for internet browser + few games (sc2, d3 etc) then SSD is not really noticeable. These 25-30sec shorter boot is the only one noticeable but not really helpful/nice.
SSD is tremendous useful if you work with programs like CAD or CyberLinkPowerDirector.
edit: My PC is 4 years old and my SSD "only" 10months old. Maybe my pc brakes the "true" speed of my SSD.
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On October 07 2014 19:40 Dingodile wrote:
But if you only use for internet browser + few games (sc2, d3 etc) then SSD is not really noticeable. These 25-30sec shorter boot is the only one noticeable but not really helpful/nice.
SSD is tremendous useful if you work with programs like CAD or CyberLinkPowerDirector.
edit: My PC is 4 years old and my SSD "only" 10months old. Maybe my pc brakes the "true" speed of my SSD.
Do you maybe have a Samsung SSD 840 EVO? It has a bug where its speed for several months old files drops to 50 MB/s or less, so can be slower than a HDD for loading games etc.
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On October 07 2014 20:13 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 19:40 Dingodile wrote:
But if you only use for internet browser + few games (sc2, d3 etc) then SSD is not really noticeable. These 25-30sec shorter boot is the only one noticeable but not really helpful/nice.
SSD is tremendous useful if you work with programs like CAD or CyberLinkPowerDirector.
edit: My PC is 4 years old and my SSD "only" 10months old. Maybe my pc brakes the "true" speed of my SSD. Do you maybe have a Samsung SSD 840 EVO? It has a bug where its speed for several months old files drops to 50 MB/s or less, so can be slower than a HDD for loading games etc.
Yes EVO and I dont think I have this bug. I am faster then many other ppl in d3 multiplayer (very noticeable at teleport, 1-2sec faster). In sc2 I dont have tooltips at sc2 boot (it is a sign that load with ssd speed).
edit: maybe i have a different imagination of "big upgrade for you pc if you have ssd", but 5-10sec faster than hdd at booting a game isnt a big upgrade for me.
edit2: I did a test from clicking "play" on battle net desktop launcher (launcher closed automatically after that click) until I can hit "ladder" in sc2. 24sec.
edit3: according to AS SSD benchmark, everything is better than my older test (10 months ago) except 2 things. 4K-64Thrd write went from 158 to 141 MB/s and acces time read from 0,09 to 0,9ms oO.
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On October 07 2014 21:46 Kupon3ss wrote:
defrag the evo
... what?
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On October 07 2014 21:41 Dingodile wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 20:13 Ropid wrote:On October 07 2014 19:40 Dingodile wrote:
But if you only use for internet browser + few games (sc2, d3 etc) then SSD is not really noticeable. These 25-30sec shorter boot is the only one noticeable but not really helpful/nice.
SSD is tremendous useful if you work with programs like CAD or CyberLinkPowerDirector.
edit: My PC is 4 years old and my SSD "only" 10months old. Maybe my pc brakes the "true" speed of my SSD. Do you maybe have a Samsung SSD 840 EVO? It has a bug where its speed for several months old files drops to 50 MB/s or less, so can be slower than a HDD for loading games etc. Yes EVO and I dont think I have this bug. I am faster then many other ppl in d3 multiplayer (very noticeable at teleport, 1-2sec faster). In sc2 I dont have tooltips at sc2 boot (it is a sign that load with ssd speed). edit: maybe i have a different imagination of "big upgrade for you pc if you have ssd", but 5-10sec faster than hdd at booting a game isnt a big upgrade for me. edit2: I did a test from clicking "play" on battle net desktop launcher (launcher closed automatically after that click) until I can hit "ladder" in sc2. 24sec.
I found even if it's objectively close to no difference with regards to time saved over the day, the SSD just feels nice enough that I wouldn't really call it a luxury for myself. I genuinely seem more calm finishing up the day, as if there was enough stress produced by all those tiny extra waits from the HDD that it's actually worth the money for the SSD.
It might be that using an SSD the PC always feels roughly the same when you click on something, want to open some window or whatever. The SSD can serve more than one program at the same time, while on an HDD a program sometimes starts fine and sometimes very slow, depending on what the other programs want to do in the background.
About the bug, you do have it. All 840 EVO have it. Samsung reportedly wants to have a firmware update ready by October 15.
This forum post links to a measurement tool to check: http://www.overclock.net/t/1512915/read-speeds-dropping-dramatically-on-older-files-benchmarks-needed-to-confirm-affected-ssds
Logically, people should probably wait until next week for that promised firmware update, but this tool can fix everything in the meantime: http://www.puransoftware.com/DiskFresh.html
What also works is a backup + restore if you do full system image backups regularly.
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On October 07 2014 21:46 Kupon3ss wrote:
defrag the evo
Even if you're trolling it's not cool, you should never ever defragment an SSD.
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