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On May 28 2014 20:11 promoe wrote: Hello everyone! =) im from germany and im planning on getting a new pc. as this is my first pc (had a mac before) i don't have the best knowledge about the single parts. but i already read around the internet and looked up some reviews on some stuff etc.
i'm asking for your advice/critics on my so far "selfbuild" computer.
i really appreciate any time you guys take to help me!
What is your budget?
800-900€, although i kinda want to keep it around ~800€ as i need to get a monitor and maybe a keyboard in addition to that.
What is your monitor's native resolution?
as this is my first windows pc i dont have one. but i'm planning on getting one 21"-24" monitor (depending on prices) and a second smaller monitor (like 19" or something).
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
games like league of legends, diablo 3, counter-strike go(these i play at the moment). no need for max graphic settings. i just want the games(and possible future games) to run on medium to good settings perfectly.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
it's primarily gaming. besides that watching some movies, youtube n stuff ^^ maybe some photoshop-stuff aswell (but thats not really a necessaty to run photoshop-stuff as fast as possible, as long as it works im fine with it taking a bit longer)
Do you intend to overclock?
i talked with a friend and he suggested me a processor which can be overclocked (which makes a i5 to run as fast as a i7). but as im no pc pro it rather happens in the future after i read myself into how it works etc. or i might ask a friend for help. but basically yes i've planned to.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
not sure about this, because i have no idea if i need to. and i dont know yet what specific size of a monitor i will get.
maybe an advice from somebody?
Do you need an operating system?
nope.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
i need monitors but this is not in the budget named above. i kinda wanna have some more space to work with.
if any1 can recommend me a good monitor i'd really appreciate it as i feel experience matters alot when it comes to monitors.
budget for the first monitor would be like 120-160€ (21"-24") budget for the second monitor would be up to 100€ (19" or maybe even smaller as its just for being able to watch streams/episodes/youtube videos on it while playing on the main monitor)
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
i kinda want a "silent" pc, that's why i chose the cooler. but if it gets too expensive this can be ignored.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Germany
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
i built the one im showing you below on ibuypower.de but i also tried out ultraforce.de but i like ibuypower so far but i don't really care about any specific one.
my setup so far: (-> at ibuypower.de: ~840€)
Case 1 x NZXT Source 220 Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ USB 3.0 Black- (just went by the looks here, and i like a relativly small case)
anything to add/recommend? maybe some cheaper case? is everything compatible? (especially the case)
im mainly concerned about the parts themselves, not so much the prizes. so im going to compare prizes with geizhals.de and see if i can get some parts a bit cheaper after im certain which parts i want.
edit: and what about Sound Cards, Wired Network Adapters, Wireless Network Adapters? are there any good ones? or is it just: get the cheapest?
I would go for a thermalright true spirit 140 (power edition) or hr-02 macho for CPU cooler, if possible, as they're decently priced in germany and uk.
The mobo is not listed on sin's vrm list and it's one of the very cheap z87's, so i'd maybe step up a notch there. Gigabyte's z87x-d3h is great and Asus's z87-c and z87-a are probably good options.
^The devil's canyon 4690k will almost certainly launch this month and be better than 4670k. It might be 10c cooler with no other gains, there might be more of a difference in temperatures or overclockability. Either way, it might run on z87 (these boards) or it might not - and if it interests you and you are not in a hurry, it's maybe a good idea to wait for it.
We have z97 boards already with guaranteed support for that CPU and for future Broadwell CPU's, but they are just a "tick" and a 10% performance gain would be optimistic - the last one saw essentially no performance gain - hardly worth replacing a 200 euro CPU for. Since they wouldn't have further compatibility (the next CPU release from Intel after that is using DDR4 so guaranteed new motherboards) there's not a whole lot of incentive to grab z97 unless you want to buy in with a CPU that doesn't work on z87.
I was going to say maybe shoot for a 760, but with your graphics requirements, it's not necessary.
You have onboard audio, sound cards are more for people who want "better". Onboard audio quality varies mobo to mobo, but i think it's generally better these days than it used to be, if you're not invested in audio equipment you're probably fine with the onboard. Wireless stuff, if you need it you need it, i don't know anything about it because i always use ethernet (which is onboard and uh free)
90 euros is somewhat expensive for a case. If you're not cheaping out on the case, it can be wise to look around and grab something that you -really- like, and would hold for like 2-3+ consecutive builds. I got an air540, but that's on the expensive side. I'm not certain for compatibility and stuff fitting.
On June 03 2014 11:02 Murlos wrote: Hello, I'm considering to transition from using my laptop for gaming to building a budget gaming desktop. Currently I play LoL, Hearthstone, and DotA 2 on low settings on my laptop hooked up to an external monitor and peripherals, but I want to change that. I've been playing LoL and Hearthstone fine, but I have to scale down DotA 2 to 1366x768 from 1920x1080 to be able to play it around 50 FPS which I don't really like to do.
Is it possible to build a desktop on a $400-$500 budget with those games on high settings these days?
What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Primarily League of Legends, DotA 2, and Hearthstone. Preferably high settings if possible.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Basic school work, internet browsing, and watching movies and episodes.
Do you intend to overclock? No.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No.
Do you need an operating system? No.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. None.
What country will you be buying your parts in? United States.
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Amazon, Newegg, and NCIX.
That's before the cost of a case, before the cost of windows license if you pay it (*cough*) and with a strong CPU, GPU and 240gb SSD, as well as 8gb of RAM.
League is somewhat dependent on singlethreaded performance, i think dota needs at least a decent CPU too, so Haswell dual core @3.4ghz with hyperthreading is very powerful for ~2-4 core loads.
The GPU, 750ti there, is quite high performing too for such uses.
I'm not sure on the cheap mobo's, what's good what's not good and why, so i used that as an example choice.
Here is another example of changes to the same core:
Cutting 750ti to 750 (bit slower GPU, 1gb VRAM instead of 2gb)
i3 - dual core @3.4ghz with hyperthreading and avx/avx2, down to Pentium, dual core @3ghz without hyperthreading or avx/avx2 (weaker in some stuff that can load more than 2 cores, and also stuff like video encoding)
Devil's Canyon reviews are starting to be released
This seems really weak to me, hard to tell if it's throttling or they are just not benching properly/aggressively. My score is 952 at 4.6ghz, for reference.
A word or two about temperatures: Intel says it is to use the same processor-in-box (PIB) cooler for this chip as for the 4770K. We used just such a heatsink during regular testing and found that, due to the extra power consumption generated by higher voltages, the Core i7-4790K ran hotter, at an average of 88C, compared to 78C for the older Haswell processor.
Useless, because they state nothing than the stock, non-turbo VID of 1.152 @4ghz. No idea what load voltages are for either CPU - they could be very vastly different. This is also a full stock "review" on a stock cooler.
For reference, i can stabilize everything at 4.0 by about 1.1v, even the most extreme tests. 1.152 VID @4ghz is a touch more than average 4670k/4770k needs, i think - but is that what the chip actually needs to run 4ghz? Who knows - certainly not these reviewers
Also, this is extremely interesting to me:
Originally Posted by doyll View Post
Here you go. TY-143 fans gave 8c improvement (7c better than H100) while noise level is only 1dBA louder than H100 (human ear needs 3dBA to hear a change in volume)
That guy was using a 3820 at like 1.45-1.5vcore in the vid. Those temperature changes are beyond anything i thought would happen by a factor of like 2-3, so i might grab a few of those fans to PWM, that would make my setup wreck anyone that didn't have custom water, or maybe something like a 2x140mm rad clc intaking with push/pull. Being able to feed a 3x fan Silver Arrow with a pair of front intakes and a top intake and having fan speed scale up to keep a proc pushing 150-300w at cool temps sounds really cool. I don't particularly like noise, but having CPU fans that are very quiet and CPU temps at any kind of not-really-low level makes me a sad panda. Also i swear that overclocking, benchmarking, building, fan noise etc has weird brain connections because this is entirely too fun and satisfying
On May 28 2014 20:11 promoe wrote: Hello everyone! =) im from germany and im planning on getting a new pc. as this is my first pc (had a mac before) i don't have the best knowledge about the single parts. but i already read around the internet and looked up some reviews on some stuff etc.
i'm asking for your advice/critics on my so far "selfbuild" computer.
i really appreciate any time you guys take to help me!
What is your budget?
800-900€, although i kinda want to keep it around ~800€ as i need to get a monitor and maybe a keyboard in addition to that.
What is your monitor's native resolution?
as this is my first windows pc i dont have one. but i'm planning on getting one 21"-24" monitor (depending on prices) and a second smaller monitor (like 19" or something).
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
games like league of legends, diablo 3, counter-strike go(these i play at the moment). no need for max graphic settings. i just want the games(and possible future games) to run on medium to good settings perfectly.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
it's primarily gaming. besides that watching some movies, youtube n stuff ^^ maybe some photoshop-stuff aswell (but thats not really a necessaty to run photoshop-stuff as fast as possible, as long as it works im fine with it taking a bit longer)
Do you intend to overclock?
i talked with a friend and he suggested me a processor which can be overclocked (which makes a i5 to run as fast as a i7). but as im no pc pro it rather happens in the future after i read myself into how it works etc. or i might ask a friend for help. but basically yes i've planned to.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
not sure about this, because i have no idea if i need to. and i dont know yet what specific size of a monitor i will get.
maybe an advice from somebody?
Do you need an operating system?
nope.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
i need monitors but this is not in the budget named above. i kinda wanna have some more space to work with.
if any1 can recommend me a good monitor i'd really appreciate it as i feel experience matters alot when it comes to monitors.
budget for the first monitor would be like 120-160€ (21"-24") budget for the second monitor would be up to 100€ (19" or maybe even smaller as its just for being able to watch streams/episodes/youtube videos on it while playing on the main monitor)
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
i kinda want a "silent" pc, that's why i chose the cooler. but if it gets too expensive this can be ignored.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Germany
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
i built the one im showing you below on ibuypower.de but i also tried out ultraforce.de but i like ibuypower so far but i don't really care about any specific one.
my setup so far: (-> at ibuypower.de: ~840€)
Case 1 x NZXT Source 220 Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ USB 3.0 Black- (just went by the looks here, and i like a relativly small case)
anything to add/recommend? maybe some cheaper case? is everything compatible? (especially the case)
im mainly concerned about the parts themselves, not so much the prizes. so im going to compare prizes with geizhals.de and see if i can get some parts a bit cheaper after im certain which parts i want.
edit: and what about Sound Cards, Wired Network Adapters, Wireless Network Adapters? are there any good ones? or is it just: get the cheapest?
I would go for a thermalright true spirit 140 (power edition) or hr-02 macho for CPU cooler, if possible, as they're decently priced in germany and uk.
The mobo is not listed on sin's vrm list and it's one of the very cheap z87's, so i'd maybe step up a notch there. Gigabyte's z87x-d3h is great and Asus's z87-c and z87-a are probably good options.
^The devil's canyon 4690k will almost certainly launch this month and be better than 4670k. It might be 10c cooler with no other gains, there might be more of a difference in temperatures or overclockability. Either way, it might run on z87 (these boards) or it might not - and if it interests you and you are not in a hurry, it's maybe a good idea to wait for it.
We have z97 boards already with guaranteed support for that CPU and for future Broadwell CPU's, but they are just a "tick" and a 10% performance gain would be optimistic - the last one saw essentially no performance gain - hardly worth replacing a 200 euro CPU for. Since they wouldn't have further compatibility (the next CPU release from Intel after that is using DDR4 so guaranteed new motherboards) there's not a whole lot of incentive to grab z97 unless you want to buy in with a CPU that doesn't work on z87.
I was going to say maybe shoot for a 760, but with your graphics requirements, it's not necessary.
You have onboard audio, sound cards are more for people who want "better". Onboard audio quality varies mobo to mobo, but i think it's generally better these days than it used to be, if you're not invested in audio equipment you're probably fine with the onboard. Wireless stuff, if you need it you need it, i don't know anything about it because i always use ethernet (which is onboard and uh free)
90 euros is somewhat expensive for a case. If you're not cheaping out on the case, it can be wise to look around and grab something that you -really- like, and would hold for like 2-3+ consecutive builds. I got an air540, but that's on the expensive side. I'm not certain for compatibility and stuff fitting.
ok, thanks! will consider it. probably will switch the cooler to the hr-02 macho. and will think about the psu, although i really like that the bequiet coolers/fans stuff always are very silent and very strong at cooling(as i read in reviews). (mainly the silent part i like :> )
and yeah the mobos you mentioned look good, but cost about 30-40€ more. so i dunno if its worth it for me, as there will be new mobos coming out soon (as you mentioned). but if i decide to stick to the "older" mobos it might be smart to take a better one as i wont upgrade for a while. but waiting for the devils canyon 4690k + new motherboard will result in a higher prize no? im not in a hurry tho, so i probably will wait for it. but i dunno if it will burst my budget. but thanks for the tip!
thanks about the sound/internet stuff. is a lan connection onboard too? im using a system which transfers the internet through our electricity system with 2 adapters. (dont think its ethernet connection for me). dont really know the english terms for that stuff tho
for the case: yeah i just chose it coz it looked kinda cool and had good reviews. (and im too lazy to look through all cases there are as sometimes there are no decent pictures of them so i gotta google them :x )
On May 28 2014 20:11 promoe wrote: Hello everyone! =) im from germany and im planning on getting a new pc. as this is my first pc (had a mac before) i don't have the best knowledge about the single parts. but i already read around the internet and looked up some reviews on some stuff etc.
i'm asking for your advice/critics on my so far "selfbuild" computer.
i really appreciate any time you guys take to help me!
What is your budget?
800-900€, although i kinda want to keep it around ~800€ as i need to get a monitor and maybe a keyboard in addition to that.
What is your monitor's native resolution?
as this is my first windows pc i dont have one. but i'm planning on getting one 21"-24" monitor (depending on prices) and a second smaller monitor (like 19" or something).
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
games like league of legends, diablo 3, counter-strike go(these i play at the moment). no need for max graphic settings. i just want the games(and possible future games) to run on medium to good settings perfectly.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
it's primarily gaming. besides that watching some movies, youtube n stuff ^^ maybe some photoshop-stuff aswell (but thats not really a necessaty to run photoshop-stuff as fast as possible, as long as it works im fine with it taking a bit longer)
Do you intend to overclock?
i talked with a friend and he suggested me a processor which can be overclocked (which makes a i5 to run as fast as a i7). but as im no pc pro it rather happens in the future after i read myself into how it works etc. or i might ask a friend for help. but basically yes i've planned to.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
not sure about this, because i have no idea if i need to. and i dont know yet what specific size of a monitor i will get.
maybe an advice from somebody?
Do you need an operating system?
nope.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
i need monitors but this is not in the budget named above. i kinda wanna have some more space to work with.
if any1 can recommend me a good monitor i'd really appreciate it as i feel experience matters alot when it comes to monitors.
budget for the first monitor would be like 120-160€ (21"-24") budget for the second monitor would be up to 100€ (19" or maybe even smaller as its just for being able to watch streams/episodes/youtube videos on it while playing on the main monitor)
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
i kinda want a "silent" pc, that's why i chose the cooler. but if it gets too expensive this can be ignored.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Germany
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
i built the one im showing you below on ibuypower.de but i also tried out ultraforce.de but i like ibuypower so far but i don't really care about any specific one.
my setup so far: (-> at ibuypower.de: ~840€)
Case 1 x NZXT Source 220 Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ USB 3.0 Black- (just went by the looks here, and i like a relativly small case)
anything to add/recommend? maybe some cheaper case? is everything compatible? (especially the case)
im mainly concerned about the parts themselves, not so much the prizes. so im going to compare prizes with geizhals.de and see if i can get some parts a bit cheaper after im certain which parts i want.
edit: and what about Sound Cards, Wired Network Adapters, Wireless Network Adapters? are there any good ones? or is it just: get the cheapest?
I would go for a thermalright true spirit 140 (power edition) or hr-02 macho for CPU cooler, if possible, as they're decently priced in germany and uk.
The mobo is not listed on sin's vrm list and it's one of the very cheap z87's, so i'd maybe step up a notch there. Gigabyte's z87x-d3h is great and Asus's z87-c and z87-a are probably good options.
^The devil's canyon 4690k will almost certainly launch this month and be better than 4670k. It might be 10c cooler with no other gains, there might be more of a difference in temperatures or overclockability. Either way, it might run on z87 (these boards) or it might not - and if it interests you and you are not in a hurry, it's maybe a good idea to wait for it.
We have z97 boards already with guaranteed support for that CPU and for future Broadwell CPU's, but they are just a "tick" and a 10% performance gain would be optimistic - the last one saw essentially no performance gain - hardly worth replacing a 200 euro CPU for. Since they wouldn't have further compatibility (the next CPU release from Intel after that is using DDR4 so guaranteed new motherboards) there's not a whole lot of incentive to grab z97 unless you want to buy in with a CPU that doesn't work on z87.
I was going to say maybe shoot for a 760, but with your graphics requirements, it's not necessary.
You have onboard audio, sound cards are more for people who want "better". Onboard audio quality varies mobo to mobo, but i think it's generally better these days than it used to be, if you're not invested in audio equipment you're probably fine with the onboard. Wireless stuff, if you need it you need it, i don't know anything about it because i always use ethernet (which is onboard and uh free)
90 euros is somewhat expensive for a case. If you're not cheaping out on the case, it can be wise to look around and grab something that you -really- like, and would hold for like 2-3+ consecutive builds. I got an air540, but that's on the expensive side. I'm not certain for compatibility and stuff fitting.
ok, thanks! will consider it. probably will switch the cooler to the hr-02 macho. and will think about the psu, although i really like that the bequiet coolers/fans stuff always are very silent and very strong at cooling(as i read in reviews). (mainly the silent part i like :> )
and yeah the mobos you mentioned look good, but cost about 30-40€ more. so i dunno if its worth it for me, as there will be new mobos coming out soon (as you mentioned). but if i decide to stick to the "older" mobos it might be smart to take a better one as i wont upgrade for a while. but waiting for the devils canyon 4690k + new motherboard will result in a higher prize no? im not in a hurry tho, so i probably will wait for it. but i dunno if it will burst my budget. but thanks for the tip!
thanks about the sound/internet stuff. is a lan connection onboard too? im using a system which transfers the internet through our electricity system with 2 adapters. (dont think its ethernet connection for me). dont really know the english terms for that stuff tho
for the case: yeah i just chose it coz it looked kinda cool and had good reviews. (and im too lazy to look through all cases there are as sometimes there are no decent pictures of them so i gotta google them :x )
I think you kinda need that tier of motherboard to be confident in overclocking. They're not high end, they're just the ones that no longer suck. The bottom z87 boards are really not great, it was the same with z77. The ones that don't have voltage limits have VRM issues, throttling or instability etc, if you throw more than a pretty low voltage at them.
z97 is often actually lower price than z87. Worse power delivery stuff on the low-midrange boards, though. Some stuff better, but z87 still makes sense to buy sometimes if it works, for some boards at least. Devil's Canyon might work on z87 just as well as z97, gotta wait a while and see if it does if you want to wait for the CPU, decide on board when we have more info if you do. I don't think this would end up costing a meaningful amount more. If it does, it'd be by a smallish amount that it's worth paying for unless Intel screws up and the chip is basically the same as 4670k.
Ethernet/LAN is onboard and you can use it with powerline adapters.
On May 28 2014 20:11 promoe wrote: Hello everyone! =) im from germany and im planning on getting a new pc. as this is my first pc (had a mac before) i don't have the best knowledge about the single parts. but i already read around the internet and looked up some reviews on some stuff etc.
i'm asking for your advice/critics on my so far "selfbuild" computer.
i really appreciate any time you guys take to help me!
What is your budget?
800-900€, although i kinda want to keep it around ~800€ as i need to get a monitor and maybe a keyboard in addition to that.
What is your monitor's native resolution?
as this is my first windows pc i dont have one. but i'm planning on getting one 21"-24" monitor (depending on prices) and a second smaller monitor (like 19" or something).
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
games like league of legends, diablo 3, counter-strike go(these i play at the moment). no need for max graphic settings. i just want the games(and possible future games) to run on medium to good settings perfectly.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
it's primarily gaming. besides that watching some movies, youtube n stuff ^^ maybe some photoshop-stuff aswell (but thats not really a necessaty to run photoshop-stuff as fast as possible, as long as it works im fine with it taking a bit longer)
Do you intend to overclock?
i talked with a friend and he suggested me a processor which can be overclocked (which makes a i5 to run as fast as a i7). but as im no pc pro it rather happens in the future after i read myself into how it works etc. or i might ask a friend for help. but basically yes i've planned to.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
not sure about this, because i have no idea if i need to. and i dont know yet what specific size of a monitor i will get.
maybe an advice from somebody?
Do you need an operating system?
nope.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
i need monitors but this is not in the budget named above. i kinda wanna have some more space to work with.
if any1 can recommend me a good monitor i'd really appreciate it as i feel experience matters alot when it comes to monitors.
budget for the first monitor would be like 120-160€ (21"-24") budget for the second monitor would be up to 100€ (19" or maybe even smaller as its just for being able to watch streams/episodes/youtube videos on it while playing on the main monitor)
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
i kinda want a "silent" pc, that's why i chose the cooler. but if it gets too expensive this can be ignored.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Germany
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
i built the one im showing you below on ibuypower.de but i also tried out ultraforce.de but i like ibuypower so far but i don't really care about any specific one.
my setup so far: (-> at ibuypower.de: ~840€)
Case 1 x NZXT Source 220 Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ USB 3.0 Black- (just went by the looks here, and i like a relativly small case)
anything to add/recommend? maybe some cheaper case? is everything compatible? (especially the case)
im mainly concerned about the parts themselves, not so much the prizes. so im going to compare prizes with geizhals.de and see if i can get some parts a bit cheaper after im certain which parts i want.
edit: and what about Sound Cards, Wired Network Adapters, Wireless Network Adapters? are there any good ones? or is it just: get the cheapest?
I would go for a thermalright true spirit 140 (power edition) or hr-02 macho for CPU cooler, if possible, as they're decently priced in germany and uk.
The mobo is not listed on sin's vrm list and it's one of the very cheap z87's, so i'd maybe step up a notch there. Gigabyte's z87x-d3h is great and Asus's z87-c and z87-a are probably good options.
^The devil's canyon 4690k will almost certainly launch this month and be better than 4670k. It might be 10c cooler with no other gains, there might be more of a difference in temperatures or overclockability. Either way, it might run on z87 (these boards) or it might not - and if it interests you and you are not in a hurry, it's maybe a good idea to wait for it.
We have z97 boards already with guaranteed support for that CPU and for future Broadwell CPU's, but they are just a "tick" and a 10% performance gain would be optimistic - the last one saw essentially no performance gain - hardly worth replacing a 200 euro CPU for. Since they wouldn't have further compatibility (the next CPU release from Intel after that is using DDR4 so guaranteed new motherboards) there's not a whole lot of incentive to grab z97 unless you want to buy in with a CPU that doesn't work on z87.
I was going to say maybe shoot for a 760, but with your graphics requirements, it's not necessary.
You have onboard audio, sound cards are more for people who want "better". Onboard audio quality varies mobo to mobo, but i think it's generally better these days than it used to be, if you're not invested in audio equipment you're probably fine with the onboard. Wireless stuff, if you need it you need it, i don't know anything about it because i always use ethernet (which is onboard and uh free)
90 euros is somewhat expensive for a case. If you're not cheaping out on the case, it can be wise to look around and grab something that you -really- like, and would hold for like 2-3+ consecutive builds. I got an air540, but that's on the expensive side. I'm not certain for compatibility and stuff fitting.
ok, thanks! will consider it. probably will switch the cooler to the hr-02 macho. and will think about the psu, although i really like that the bequiet coolers/fans stuff always are very silent and very strong at cooling(as i read in reviews). (mainly the silent part i like :> )
and yeah the mobos you mentioned look good, but cost about 30-40€ more. so i dunno if its worth it for me, as there will be new mobos coming out soon (as you mentioned). but if i decide to stick to the "older" mobos it might be smart to take a better one as i wont upgrade for a while. but waiting for the devils canyon 4690k + new motherboard will result in a higher prize no? im not in a hurry tho, so i probably will wait for it. but i dunno if it will burst my budget. but thanks for the tip!
thanks about the sound/internet stuff. is a lan connection onboard too? im using a system which transfers the internet through our electricity system with 2 adapters. (dont think its ethernet connection for me). dont really know the english terms for that stuff tho
for the case: yeah i just chose it coz it looked kinda cool and had good reviews. (and im too lazy to look through all cases there are as sometimes there are no decent pictures of them so i gotta google them :x )
I think you kinda need that tier of motherboard to be confident in overclocking. They're not high end, they're just the ones that no longer suck. The bottom z87 boards are really not great, it was the same with z77. The ones that don't have voltage limits have VRM issues, throttling or instability etc, if you throw more than a pretty low voltage at them.
z97 is often actually lower price than z87. Worse power delivery stuff on the low-midrange boards, though. Some stuff better, but z87 still makes sense to buy sometimes if it works, for some boards at least. Devil's Canyon might work on z87 just as well as z97, gotta wait a while and see if it does if you want to wait for the CPU, decide on board when we have more info if you do. I don't think this would end up costing a meaningful amount more. If it does, it'd be by a smallish amount that it's worth paying for unless Intel screws up and the chip is basically the same as 4670k.
Ethernet/LAN is onboard and you can use it with powerline adapters.
Novatech Tower Server - Xeon E3-1220V3 Processor - 2X 1TB Hard Drives - 16GB 1600Mhz DDR3 Memory - DVD Drive SuperMicro Socket 1150 motherboard £744.98 inc vat
Except with 32g ram and doesn't need 2TB hd and unsure if graphics card is needed and no idea if this is a good setup for running multiple virtual machines or if they can even utilise it.
I run 4 Virtual PC’s using Windows 7 64 bit OS which in turn sit on a Windows 7 64 bit host. At present I use 4 off the shelf desktops with an i5 processor and 8mb of memory (16 Virtual Pc’s). However I am pushing these a bit and I suspect that with 24/7 operation these will eventually fail.
At present they run at about 70% of memory and during operation about 70% Cpu with peaks of 90% - although 100% when each VPC boots up (in a TIMED sequence).
What I am looking for are two more desktops with more CPU power (has to be Intel – for the Virtual PC’s), more memory, better cooling, any graphics card that will support the usage (quality isn’t a priority), a 500Gb HDD is more than sufficient, DVD reader, audio not used and runs on Windows 7 Home premium OS. They will all be accessed remotely through a VNC server.
Questions: Does a server not come with a desktop graphics card then? Is this a suitably priced machine? They offer to swap the motherboard and supply it with 32g ram but idk price of that. Is this really the proper hardware requirements to run multiple virtual machines on with multiple instances of internet explorer? (note this current 16g machines are "resource hungry" http://i.imgur.com/hJA1hXc.jpg )
I'll ask in the programming thread coz that might be more their thing and Google today trying to find real answers. Will hopefully get back here during the day to further clarify! cheers
My current Alienware laptop is going on 3 years old. I purchased an Alienware because I wanted something that I knew would work well without much effort from me. I'm curious how much a desktop of roughly equivalent power would cost me today, which would tell me how much I'd have to spend if I wanted to upgrade.
My current laptop's specs: - Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 2670QM (2.20Ghz, 6MB, 4C) - 2GB GDDR5 AMD® Radeon™ HD 6990M - 6144MB 1333MHz Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM [1x2048 + 1x4096] - 750GB (7,200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive
On June 03 2014 22:24 Firebolt145 wrote: My current Alienware laptop is going on 3 years old. I purchased an Alienware because I wanted something that I knew would work well without much effort from me. I'm curious how much a desktop of roughly equivalent power would cost me today, which would tell me how much I'd have to spend if I wanted to upgrade.
My current laptop's specs: - Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 2670QM (2.20Ghz, 6MB, 4C) - 2GB GDDR5 AMD® Radeon™ HD 6990M - 6144MB 1333MHz Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM [1x2048 + 1x4096] - 750GB (7,200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive
Very little. If you got a faster dual core CPU, it'd cost you almost nothing. For a quad core (way faster single threaded and multi performance) and a better GPU, it's a bit more
You'd have a better system (Haswell quad core @3ghz base, 750ti, 2x4gb RAM, mobo, 80+ bronze superflower PSU, case, 1tb HDD) by like £450 and with £700+ you can walk all over it
On June 03 2014 11:02 Murlos wrote: Hello, I'm considering to transition from using my laptop for gaming to building a budget gaming desktop. Currently I play LoL, Hearthstone, and DotA 2 on low settings on my laptop hooked up to an external monitor and peripherals, but I want to change that. I've been playing LoL and Hearthstone fine, but I have to scale down DotA 2 to 1366x768 from 1920x1080 to be able to play it around 50 FPS which I don't really like to do.
Is it possible to build a desktop on a $400-$500 budget with those games on high settings these days?
What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Primarily League of Legends, DotA 2, and Hearthstone. Preferably high settings if possible.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Basic school work, internet browsing, and watching movies and episodes.
Do you intend to overclock? No.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No.
Do you need an operating system? No.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. None.
What country will you be buying your parts in? United States.
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Amazon, Newegg, and NCIX.
That's before the cost of a case, before the cost of windows license if you pay it (*cough*) and with a strong CPU, GPU and 240gb SSD, as well as 8gb of RAM.
League is somewhat dependent on singlethreaded performance, i think dota needs at least a decent CPU too, so Haswell dual core @3.4ghz with hyperthreading is very powerful for ~2-4 core loads.
The GPU, 750ti there, is quite high performing too for such uses.
I'm not sure on the cheap mobo's, what's good what's not good and why, so i used that as an example choice.
Here is another example of changes to the same core:
Cutting 750ti to 750 (bit slower GPU, 1gb VRAM instead of 2gb)
i3 - dual core @3.4ghz with hyperthreading and avx/avx2, down to Pentium, dual core @3ghz without hyperthreading or avx/avx2 (weaker in some stuff that can load more than 2 cores, and also stuff like video encoding)
Hi, thanks for the reply. I actually might have a case already from a friend, and I get Windows 8 for pretty cheap from my university anyways so those aren't of any issue. It shouldn't matter what case I have though right? I'm assuming most are built to fit everything inside alright.
Also I was under the impression mobos were hardly different from a cheap to an expensive one, just differences in features and what CPUs can be used with them (Are LGA1115 still the standard these days?).
I actually ran into some hardware failures with my laptop last night coincidentally enough, so I can raise my budget to $600. Would it be more beneficial to upgrade my CPU or GPU then? I was thinking of doing some light streaming with Hearthstone so would upgrading the CPU to a i5-3570K be overkill? Or would I find more benefits of maintaining 60+ FPS in DotA 2 and LoL if I upgrade the GPU?
On June 03 2014 11:02 Murlos wrote: Hello, I'm considering to transition from using my laptop for gaming to building a budget gaming desktop. Currently I play LoL, Hearthstone, and DotA 2 on low settings on my laptop hooked up to an external monitor and peripherals, but I want to change that. I've been playing LoL and Hearthstone fine, but I have to scale down DotA 2 to 1366x768 from 1920x1080 to be able to play it around 50 FPS which I don't really like to do.
Is it possible to build a desktop on a $400-$500 budget with those games on high settings these days?
What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Primarily League of Legends, DotA 2, and Hearthstone. Preferably high settings if possible.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Basic school work, internet browsing, and watching movies and episodes.
Do you intend to overclock? No.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No.
Do you need an operating system? No.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. None.
What country will you be buying your parts in? United States.
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Amazon, Newegg, and NCIX.
That's before the cost of a case, before the cost of windows license if you pay it (*cough*) and with a strong CPU, GPU and 240gb SSD, as well as 8gb of RAM.
League is somewhat dependent on singlethreaded performance, i think dota needs at least a decent CPU too, so Haswell dual core @3.4ghz with hyperthreading is very powerful for ~2-4 core loads.
The GPU, 750ti there, is quite high performing too for such uses.
I'm not sure on the cheap mobo's, what's good what's not good and why, so i used that as an example choice.
Here is another example of changes to the same core:
Cutting 750ti to 750 (bit slower GPU, 1gb VRAM instead of 2gb)
i3 - dual core @3.4ghz with hyperthreading and avx/avx2, down to Pentium, dual core @3ghz without hyperthreading or avx/avx2 (weaker in some stuff that can load more than 2 cores, and also stuff like video encoding)
Hi, thanks for the reply. I actually might have a case already from a friend, and I get Windows 8 for pretty cheap from my university anyways so those aren't of any issue. It shouldn't matter what case I have though right? I'm assuming most are built to fit everything inside alright.
Also I was under the impression mobos were hardly different from a cheap to an expensive one, just differences in features and what CPUs can be used with them (Are LGA1115 still the standard these days?).
I actually ran into some hardware failures with my laptop last night coincidentally enough, so I can raise my budget to $600. Would it be more beneficial to upgrade my CPU or GPU then? I was thinking of doing some light streaming with Hearthstone so would upgrading the CPU to a i5-3570K be overkill? Or would I find more benefits of maintaining 60+ FPS in DotA 2 and LoL if I upgrade the GPU?
Most cases are built to the same standards, but some old or cheap ones can be annoying or have limitations. Last time i built in recycled/cheap/old cases, the first one didn't actually fit stuff properly and second one was tight with very bad airflow. Wasn't really worth the time/effort.
Mobo's are not really that different, but when dealing with the cheapest ones, it's best to be a little cautious. LGA1150 is standard atm
3570k is last gen, 4670k (4790k soon) is current. It's worth doing and overclocking IF you want to buy a cooler and more expensive motherboard, but questionable if not. It's also kinda weird doing all that with "just" a 750ti, so build costs go up. Upgrading past i3 without overclocking really depends on how much you can use extra cores, because if you can't use them (sc2 and i think LoL, not sure about dota) then i5 often isn't actually faster unless it's at a higher clock speed (overclocking)
GPU is all you need for sc2/LoL and i think dota as well. FPS minimums should be determined by CPU
As for $600 budget.. You could drop in an i5 4690 with 750ti build. That CPU is released now along with boards that run it (though i think it runs on all original Haswell boards with a bios update, not just z87?) and runs at 3.5ghz base, but almost always 3.7 - 3.9ghz depending on load with four full Haswell cores. I just don't know if it would be a ton faster for the games you want, and that still leaves you with a pretty low to midrange graphics card, though it's great by laptop standards.
On June 03 2014 11:02 Murlos wrote: Hello, I'm considering to transition from using my laptop for gaming to building a budget gaming desktop. Currently I play LoL, Hearthstone, and DotA 2 on low settings on my laptop hooked up to an external monitor and peripherals, but I want to change that. I've been playing LoL and Hearthstone fine, but I have to scale down DotA 2 to 1366x768 from 1920x1080 to be able to play it around 50 FPS which I don't really like to do.
Is it possible to build a desktop on a $400-$500 budget with those games on high settings these days?
What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Primarily League of Legends, DotA 2, and Hearthstone. Preferably high settings if possible.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Basic school work, internet browsing, and watching movies and episodes.
Do you intend to overclock? No.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No.
Do you need an operating system? No.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. None.
What country will you be buying your parts in? United States.
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Amazon, Newegg, and NCIX.
That's before the cost of a case, before the cost of windows license if you pay it (*cough*) and with a strong CPU, GPU and 240gb SSD, as well as 8gb of RAM.
League is somewhat dependent on singlethreaded performance, i think dota needs at least a decent CPU too, so Haswell dual core @3.4ghz with hyperthreading is very powerful for ~2-4 core loads.
The GPU, 750ti there, is quite high performing too for such uses.
I'm not sure on the cheap mobo's, what's good what's not good and why, so i used that as an example choice.
Here is another example of changes to the same core:
Cutting 750ti to 750 (bit slower GPU, 1gb VRAM instead of 2gb)
i3 - dual core @3.4ghz with hyperthreading and avx/avx2, down to Pentium, dual core @3ghz without hyperthreading or avx/avx2 (weaker in some stuff that can load more than 2 cores, and also stuff like video encoding)
Hi, thanks for the reply. I actually might have a case already from a friend, and I get Windows 8 for pretty cheap from my university anyways so those aren't of any issue. It shouldn't matter what case I have though right? I'm assuming most are built to fit everything inside alright.
Also I was under the impression mobos were hardly different from a cheap to an expensive one, just differences in features and what CPUs can be used with them (Are LGA1115 still the standard these days?).
I actually ran into some hardware failures with my laptop last night coincidentally enough, so I can raise my budget to $600. Would it be more beneficial to upgrade my CPU or GPU then? I was thinking of doing some light streaming with Hearthstone so would upgrading the CPU to a i5-3570K be overkill? Or would I find more benefits of maintaining 60+ FPS in DotA 2 and LoL if I upgrade the GPU?
Most cases are built to the same standards, but some old or cheap ones can be annoying or have limitations. Last time i built in recycled/cheap/old cases, the first one didn't actually fit stuff properly and second one was tight with very bad airflow. Wasn't really worth the time/effort.
Mobo's are not really that different, but when dealing with the cheapest ones, it's best to be a little cautious. LGA1150 is standard atm
3570k is last gen, 4670k (4790k soon) is current. It's worth doing and overclocking IF you want to buy a cooler and more expensive motherboard, but questionable if not. It's also kinda weird doing all that with "just" a 750ti, so build costs go up. Upgrading past i3 without overclocking really depends on how much you can use extra cores, because if you can't use them (sc2 and i think LoL, not sure about dota) then i5 often isn't actually faster unless it's at a higher clock speed (overclocking)
GPU is all you need for sc2/LoL and i think dota as well. FPS minimums should be determined by CPU
As for $600 budget.. You could drop in an i5 4690 with 750ti build. That CPU is released now along with boards that run it (though i think it runs on all original Haswell boards with a bios update, not just z87?) and runs at 3.5ghz base, but almost always 3.7 - 3.9ghz depending on load with four full Haswell cores. I just don't know if it would be a ton faster for the games you want, and that still leaves you with a pretty low to midrange graphics card, though it's great by laptop standards.
I think I'll just go with the first build you presented then. I'll probably just buy most of the parts on Amazon since I have prime membership, and so the pieces will relatively all come in at the same time. It shouldn't be that much more expensive I'd imagine. I'm sticking with those three games for the most part for the next two years I assume, so once I get out of college and get a job I'll be able to upgrade my parts if necessary. Thanks for the help! I haven't really touched this kind of stuff in years, so I'm not very confident anymore in what's good and what's not. I'm pretty excited to start building another desktop though, it's been ages!
I'm looking for a ssd upgrade, have one of the old ocz vertex 2 60gb editions atm. Looking for a ssd with 250gb+ minimum, want to stop micro managing drives.
Should I go for a samsung 840 evo or wait for a newer drive? Cant seem to find anything about the next gen ssd line up. Are pcie ssds still too expensive to even consider using at this capacity size
On June 03 2014 11:02 Murlos wrote: Hello, I'm considering to transition from using my laptop for gaming to building a budget gaming desktop. Currently I play LoL, Hearthstone, and DotA 2 on low settings on my laptop hooked up to an external monitor and peripherals, but I want to change that. I've been playing LoL and Hearthstone fine, but I have to scale down DotA 2 to 1366x768 from 1920x1080 to be able to play it around 50 FPS which I don't really like to do.
Is it possible to build a desktop on a $400-$500 budget with those games on high settings these days?
What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Primarily League of Legends, DotA 2, and Hearthstone. Preferably high settings if possible.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Basic school work, internet browsing, and watching movies and episodes.
Do you intend to overclock? No.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No.
Do you need an operating system? No.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. None.
What country will you be buying your parts in? United States.
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Amazon, Newegg, and NCIX.
That's before the cost of a case, before the cost of windows license if you pay it (*cough*) and with a strong CPU, GPU and 240gb SSD, as well as 8gb of RAM.
League is somewhat dependent on singlethreaded performance, i think dota needs at least a decent CPU too, so Haswell dual core @3.4ghz with hyperthreading is very powerful for ~2-4 core loads.
The GPU, 750ti there, is quite high performing too for such uses.
I'm not sure on the cheap mobo's, what's good what's not good and why, so i used that as an example choice.
Here is another example of changes to the same core:
Cutting 750ti to 750 (bit slower GPU, 1gb VRAM instead of 2gb)
i3 - dual core @3.4ghz with hyperthreading and avx/avx2, down to Pentium, dual core @3ghz without hyperthreading or avx/avx2 (weaker in some stuff that can load more than 2 cores, and also stuff like video encoding)
Hi, thanks for the reply. I actually might have a case already from a friend, and I get Windows 8 for pretty cheap from my university anyways so those aren't of any issue. It shouldn't matter what case I have though right? I'm assuming most are built to fit everything inside alright.
Also I was under the impression mobos were hardly different from a cheap to an expensive one, just differences in features and what CPUs can be used with them (Are LGA1115 still the standard these days?).
I actually ran into some hardware failures with my laptop last night coincidentally enough, so I can raise my budget to $600. Would it be more beneficial to upgrade my CPU or GPU then? I was thinking of doing some light streaming with Hearthstone so would upgrading the CPU to a i5-3570K be overkill? Or would I find more benefits of maintaining 60+ FPS in DotA 2 and LoL if I upgrade the GPU?
Most cases are built to the same standards, but some old or cheap ones can be annoying or have limitations. Last time i built in recycled/cheap/old cases, the first one didn't actually fit stuff properly and second one was tight with very bad airflow. Wasn't really worth the time/effort.
Mobo's are not really that different, but when dealing with the cheapest ones, it's best to be a little cautious. LGA1150 is standard atm
3570k is last gen, 4670k (4790k soon) is current. It's worth doing and overclocking IF you want to buy a cooler and more expensive motherboard, but questionable if not. It's also kinda weird doing all that with "just" a 750ti, so build costs go up. Upgrading past i3 without overclocking really depends on how much you can use extra cores, because if you can't use them (sc2 and i think LoL, not sure about dota) then i5 often isn't actually faster unless it's at a higher clock speed (overclocking)
GPU is all you need for sc2/LoL and i think dota as well. FPS minimums should be determined by CPU
As for $600 budget.. You could drop in an i5 4690 with 750ti build. That CPU is released now along with boards that run it (though i think it runs on all original Haswell boards with a bios update, not just z87?) and runs at 3.5ghz base, but almost always 3.7 - 3.9ghz depending on load with four full Haswell cores. I just don't know if it would be a ton faster for the games you want, and that still leaves you with a pretty low to midrange graphics card, though it's great by laptop standards.
I think I'll just go with the first build you presented then. I'll probably just buy most of the parts on Amazon since I have prime membership, and so the pieces will relatively all come in at the same time. It shouldn't be that much more expensive I'd imagine. I'm sticking with those three games for the most part for the next two years I assume, so once I get out of college and get a job I'll be able to upgrade my parts if necessary. Thanks for the help! I haven't really touched this kind of stuff in years, so I'm not very confident anymore in what's good and what's not. I'm pretty excited to start building another desktop though, it's been ages!
About your stream question and i3 vs. i5, you can also try to stream using the GTX 750 Ti instead of the CPU. It has features where the card will do all of the heavy work needed for streaming or recording. From what I heard, the downside for that is that it can't compress heavily while maintaining good quality, meaning it can only work well with an Internet connection that has high upload speeds.
On June 04 2014 01:01 Nuttyguy wrote: I'm looking for a ssd upgrade, have one of the old ocz vertex 2 60gb editions atm. Looking for a ssd with 250gb+ minimum, want to stop micro managing drives.
Should I go for a samsung 840 evo or wait for a newer drive? Cant seem to find anything about the next gen ssd line up. Are pcie ssds still too expensive to even consider using at this capacity size
Perhaps buy a Crucial MX100 256GB? I think Samsung forgot to lower prices over time and so something else like that Crucial drive is a better choice currently.
and this cpu cooler (wasnt able to find it while configurating, although on geizhals it is listed to be sold there. i only found the "shadow" edition or whatever its called): http://geizhals.de/scythe-ashura-scasr-1000-a910518.html
as cyro mentioned i might wait for the next gen cpu/mobo (devils canyon 4690k) and take a look at it. but besides that would you guys say that these parts are all good and compatible? or is there any "secret" which might help? =)
edit: some1 got a tip for a simple and yet good keyboard? no need for special buttons or anything. just qwertz+numpad
About the CPU cooler, if you buy the HR-02 Macho Rev.A for about 1 € more, that one should have a better fan from what I could find (less noise), but shouldn't be better performance.
If you wait until those new CPUs and boards are here, also look up the Crucial MX100 256 GB SSD at that time. It should become available these days and should be cheaper than the M500 you currently have on your list.
I don't know if this is the correct place to ask this question, but I've received all of my parts and now I just need the OS.to have completely everything. I'm buying Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit and wanted to install it via USB onto my new computer. It seems like most physical copies are around 119$, but I found this download only link for only 68$. Is this website legit? I've tried to do some research, but couldn't find much on them.
On the safe side, I'd argue to get a physical copy. I'm willing to bet they're just using keys they get from MSDN and providing a direct download link for the .iso file of the OS you purchase, which isn't strictly legal but works.
If I were to get a physical copy could I justextract the files I need form it on this computer I'm using now to the USB, and then boot my new computer with USB prioritized? I don't think I have the money now for a physical copy, but you're probably correct and I'll just have to save up a bit more for it. ^^
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