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There's also the Thermalright HR-02 Macho. It can be same price as the TS 140 Power and is similar strength. It's 162mm height and might fit, but I'm not successful in finding definitive proof, pictures of people showing off a Core 3000 with exactly that cooler installed.
The HR-02 typically fits just fine in any case that is wide enough to have a 120mm case fan position in the rear spot which is true for the Core 3000.
About the comparison between Hyper 212 EVO and something like TS 140 Power or HR-02, they are actually not massively different in performance, but it can be nice to offset a hot summer day. Some details look better on the Thermalright stuff, things are firmly affixed to the CPU while the Hyper 212 can apparently rotate a little, and the base of the coolers are manufactured better. I can't decide what's objectively better if you keep the price in mind.
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United Kingdom20344 Posts
I just personally never liked the 212 on Ivy Bridge/Haswell (given the added 20c core temps from IHS issue..) or in the UK (given the £25 price - the 212 was great because it was often sold @$20 and did the job well enough on sandy bridge, which is about half of £25)
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What is your budget?
Around $1000 SGD so around $800, alternatively I could raise my budget to around $1.2k/$1.4k SGD but I'm really trying to cut cost.
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920 x 1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Dota 2, max settings if possible.
Diablo 3, max settings if possible.
Bioshock Infinite, something from high to ultra.
And basically play newer games at decent settings.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Maybe some schoolwork or minor photoshopping. (but mainly shopping)
Do you intend to overclock?
Nope.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
Nope.
Do you need an operating system?
Yes, but I can get the student discounted windows 8 at $89.90 SGD. (~$70 USD)
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Nope, looking at a cheap ducky keyboard but tentatively leaving if out of the budget.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Er not exactly, but a friend recommended an AMD GPU since it's slightly cheaper?
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Singapore.
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
I'm buying from physical retailers.
Okay, so basically I mainly want a new desktop that can run dota 2 (main focus though), diablo 3, starcraft 2 with near max settings and be able to handle newer gamers like Bioshock Infinite & Titanfall decently well so high settings if possible.
This is the first desktop I'm attempting to build but I plan to perhaps upgrade it in the relatively distant future.
My friend recommended me to get:
Asus Z87 Plus with a i5 4670k
R9 280x (any brand)
a 120gb SSD (if I'm using it mainly for gaming, I guess this is a luxury?)
1TB HDD
Basic DVD Optical Drive
Some case
Some powersupply
I'm going to be buying all the parts from physical retailers (some mall with lots of IT shops) but assembling the parts on my own. I have no intention of overclocking atm so could I get away with a H87 and a i5 4670 or should I go ahead with what my friend recommended? Since the Z87 is mainly used for overclocking? Or does it make the performance better? Currently the GPU plus motherboard & processor are already taking up like 80% of my $1k SGD budget. (given the price list of the bigger retailers)
What's the real difference if I go for a R9 270x and a H87 plus with a i5 4670 instead of a R9 280x & Z87 plus with a i5 4670k. If I'm not going to overclock is there any reason to go with the Z87? How much does the motherboard matter especially for future upgrades?
Also, is the SSD purely just a luxury and for faster booting of programs? And can I get some recommendations for good power supplies and a case that is decently priced?
Also do I need an extra cooling fan if I don't overclock?
Thanks for any help!
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United Kingdom20344 Posts
On June 01 2014 00:50 justanother wrote:
What is your budget?
Around $1000 SGD so around $800, alternatively I could raise my budget to around $1.2k/$1.4k SGD but I'm really trying to cut cost.
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920 x 1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Dota 2, max settings if possible.
Diablo 3, max settings if possible.
Bioshock Infinite, something from high to ultra.
And basically play newer games at decent settings.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Maybe some schoolwork or minor photoshopping. (but mainly shopping)
Do you intend to overclock?
Nope.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
Nope.
Do you need an operating system?
Yes, but I can get the student discounted windows 8 at $89.90 SGD. (~$70 USD)
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Nope, looking at a cheap ducky keyboard but tentatively leaving if out of the budget.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Er not exactly, but a friend recommended an AMD GPU since it's slightly cheaper?
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Singapore.
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
I'm buying from physical retailers.
Okay, so basically I mainly want a new desktop that can run dota 2 (main focus though), diablo 3, starcraft 2 with near max settings and be able to handle newer gamers like Bioshock Infinite & Titanfall decently well so high settings if possible.
This is the first desktop I'm attempting to build but I plan to perhaps upgrade it in the relatively distant future.
My friend recommended me to get:
Asus Z87 Plus with a i5 4670k
R9 280x (any brand)
a 120gb SSD (if I'm using it mainly for gaming, I guess this is a luxury?)
1TB HDD
Basic Optical Drive
Some case
Some cooling system
I'm going to be buying all the parts from physical retailers (some mall with lots of IT shops) but assembling the parts on my own. I have no intention of overclocking atm so could I get away with a H87 and a i5 4670 or should I go ahead with what my friend recommended? Since the Z87 is mainly used for overclocking? Or does it make the performance better? Currently the GPU plus motherboard & processor are already taking up like 80% of my $1k SGD budget. (given the price list of the bigger retailers)
What's the real difference if I go for a R9 270x and a H87 plus with a i5 4670 instead of a R9 280x & Z87 plus with a i5 4670k. If I'm not going to overclock is there any reason to go with the Z87? How much does the motherboard matter especially for future upgrades?
Also, is the SSD purely just a luxury and for faster booting of programs? And can I get some recommendations for good cooling systems and a case that is decently priced?
Thanks for any help!
z87 and the K on the end of CPU are for overclocking. You can get much cheaper boards for non-oc, h81 even
SSD is luxury mostly, load times, interaction stuff in OS like opening folders and having file previews load, sometimes small benefits in games.
270 and 270x are basically the same thing, and a 270 is a somewhat big step down from a 280. 280/280x are quite close together and 280 is usually the better value option by a decent margin
280 = 7950, 280x = 7970
that's ~1.14x core count advantage for 280x over 280, but that probably translates into like a ~10% performance difference or even a little less (it depends on some stuff)
z87 + the other haswell boards are already obsolete, there is no upgrade if you have one and an i5.
z97 (and equivalents) are already released and will support Broadwell CPU's, but that won't be a significant upgrade from Haswell unless you like maybe 5 or 10% performance gains (what are likely to come) so you're screwed either way there
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On June 01 2014 00:50 justanother wrote:+ Show Spoiler +What is your budget?
Around $1000 SGD so around $800, alternatively I could raise my budget to around $1.2k/$1.4k SGD but I'm really trying to cut cost.
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920 x 1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Dota 2, max settings if possible.
Diablo 3, max settings if possible.
Bioshock Infinite, something from high to ultra.
And basically play newer games at decent settings.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Maybe some schoolwork or minor photoshopping. (but mainly shopping)
Do you intend to overclock?
Nope.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
Nope.
Do you need an operating system?
Yes, but I can get the student discounted windows 8 at $89.90 SGD. (~$70 USD)
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Nope, looking at a cheap ducky keyboard but tentatively leaving if out of the budget.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Er not exactly, but a friend recommended an AMD GPU since it's slightly cheaper?
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Singapore.
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
I'm buying from physical retailers.
Okay, so basically I mainly want a new desktop that can run dota 2 (main focus though), diablo 3, starcraft 2 with near max settings and be able to handle newer gamers like Bioshock Infinite & Titanfall decently well so high settings if possible.
This is the first desktop I'm attempting to build but I plan to perhaps upgrade it in the relatively distant future.
My friend recommended me to get:
Asus Z87 Plus with a i5 4670k
R9 280x (any brand)
a 120gb SSD (if I'm using it mainly for gaming, I guess this is a luxury?)
1TB HDD
Basic DVD Optical Drive
Some case
Some powersupply
I'm going to be buying all the parts from physical retailers (some mall with lots of IT shops) but assembling the parts on my own. I have no intention of overclocking atm so could I get away with a H87 and a i5 4670 or should I go ahead with what my friend recommended? Since the Z87 is mainly used for overclocking? Or does it make the performance better? Currently the GPU plus motherboard & processor are already taking up like 80% of my $1k SGD budget. (given the price list of the bigger retailers)
What's the real difference if I go for a R9 270x and a H87 plus with a i5 4670 instead of a R9 280x & Z87 plus with a i5 4670k. If I'm not going to overclock is there any reason to go with the Z87? How much does the motherboard matter especially for future upgrades?
Also, is the SSD purely just a luxury and for faster booting of programs? And can I get some recommendations for good power supplies and a case that is decently priced?
Also do I need an extra cooling fan if I don't overclock?
Thanks for any help!
Motherboard has no in-game performance impact, a $40 motherboard will give you exactly the same FPS as a $200 motherboard given all variables are the same. If you are not overclocking than yes you should get a Core i5 4670 and a H87, H81, or B85 motherboard, and put the money you saved into other areas.
Price of motherboard have no impact on future upgradeability for GPU and CPU. Except if you want to do SLI / Crossfire. H series boards do not do SLI. Or if you want to waste money in a year on Broadwell for a very tiny performance upgrade.
Yes, SSD would mostly be a luxury in a gaming computer.
You don't need additional cooling if you aren't overclocking.
Budget cases would include the Coolermaster N200, Fractal Design Core 1000, NZXT Source 210 / 220, and Bitfenix Merc Alpha / Beta.
Budget power supplies would be the EVGA 500B or Corsair CX430.
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What is your budget?
800-900
What is your monitor's native resolution?
(trying to buy a monitor not including in budget )
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Leauge
Dayz
Many new shooters
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
auto cad
Do you intend to overclock?
yes
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
no
Do you need an operating system?
no
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
no
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
n/a
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Ontario, Canada
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Cheapest
trying to go really big on the graphics card, and cut costs on the rest
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All my parts are ordered and should arrive by next week, so I was watching the videos in the OP to learn how to build this thing. Would you recommend doing an external build first to make things worth properly? One video doesn't do that, but the Newegg one did.
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That's entirely up to you. It's a question of whether you want to save yourself the hassle and waste time (more room to work with when you are building outside the case but you have to assemble it twice) or save time for a potential hassle (less room to work with in case so difficult to unplug stuff if there is a problem).
I've always done in case.
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What I did first build, and what I would recommend, is first installing PSU, then the CPU into the motherboard, then the RAM into the motherboard and then you put motherboard into the case. You then plug in the motherboard so that it can start up. You should get to the BIOS. If you get to that and everything is apparently working fine (it should tell you there's nothing to boot), then you can turn that off and install GPU/HDDs/SSDs.
If it doesn't turn on, which happens, it's easier to narrow down what went wrong that way.
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OK, thank you both for the input. Getting a little nervous about building it even though everyone always tells me that it's super simple. ^^
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On June 01 2014 06:41 Incognoto wrote:
What I did first build, and what I would recommend, is first installing PSU, then the CPU into the motherboard, then the RAM into the motherboard and then you put motherboard into the case. You then plug in the motherboard so that it can start up. You should get to the BIOS. If you get to that and everything is apparently working fine (it should tell you there's nothing to boot), then you can turn that off and install GPU/HDDs/SSDs.
If it doesn't turn on, which happens, it's easier to narrow down what went wrong that way.
Depending on the cooler, you have to install it in that order. You can't get the mounting bracket for a Noctua cooler on the motherboard with it in the case in a fair number of cases that lack the cut-out.
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On June 01 2014 08:09 felisconcolori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 06:41 Incognoto wrote:
What I did first build, and what I would recommend, is first installing PSU, then the CPU into the motherboard, then the RAM into the motherboard and then you put motherboard into the case. You then plug in the motherboard so that it can start up. You should get to the BIOS. If you get to that and everything is apparently working fine (it should tell you there's nothing to boot), then you can turn that off and install GPU/HDDs/SSDs.
If it doesn't turn on, which happens, it's easier to narrow down what went wrong that way. Depending on the cooler, you have to install it in that order. You can't get the mounting bracket for a Noctua cooler on the motherboard with it in the case in a fair number of cases that lack the cut-out.
Well I was being explicit, perhaps a bit too much. :p
The important part is testing to make sure that the cpu/motherboard/ram/psu are installed correctly before moving on to put in the rest of the parts. It's way easier to troubleshoot if you don't have to ask yourself questions about the other parts of the build that aren't in yet.
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What is your current build?
AMD Phenom II X4 920, 4x 2.80GHz
GigaByte GA-MA770-UD3
4GB DDR2 RAM
XFX ATI Radeon HD 7770 1GB
What is your monitor's native resolution?
24 Inch, 1920x1080
Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
I want to play DotA 2 @60fps without drops at high settings. I think the CPU bottleneck my pc, I play DotA 2 with 60fps but sometimes it drops to 45-50 fps and starts to stutter.
What is your budget?
I dont know, I just want to play DotA 2 without any drops, I think 7770 is enough for DotA 2, so I think just the CPU should be upgraded.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Germany
If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
No
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Well what's your budget?
An i3 would do quite well here however you'd have to upgrade your motherboard and your RAM as well. A relatively fast i3 (3.4 GHz) would be around €100, an H81 motherboard, the most basic motherboard to get for the i3, would be about €45. 1 stick of 4 Gb of RAM (to keep costs down and to give yourself the option to get 8 Gb in the future) would be around €35. 2x4 Gb of the same RAM would be €75+.
That's a €180 upgrade right there. The 7770 should do fine for Dota, yeah.
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If one stick is €35, why would you buy two for "€75+" instead of two lots of one stick for €70. O__0
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On June 01 2014 23:42 Rollin wrote:
If one stick is €35, why would you buy two for "€75+" instead of two lots of one stick for €70. O__0
Prices were approximate. You're right obviously, just that's what I had in front of me during a quick search on amazon.
^^"""
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Hello, quick question. So i got new pc finally and i have 16gb of 2133 ram. My friend just told me that it isn't automatically set to that frequency, i had to do it. Is it true? I tried using cpu-z to check but i don't see it anywhere :/ (noob, yup).
ram are patriot viper 3 red and MB is msi z87-g41.
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you will probably have to go into your bios and enable XMP.
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United Kingdom20344 Posts
cpu-z shows memory frequency under the memory tab. It's called "DRAM frequency" and should be half of the effective data rate of the memory (which you set in bios, and is what it is advertised for) so if it's 2400mhz RAM and running correctly, it'd say 1200 here
On June 01 2014 20:25 Incognoto wrote:
Well what's your budget?
An i3 would do quite well here however you'd have to upgrade your motherboard and your RAM as well. A relatively fast i3 (3.4 GHz) would be around €100, an H81 motherboard, the most basic motherboard to get for the i3, would be about €45. 1 stick of 4 Gb of RAM (to keep costs down and to give yourself the option to get 8 Gb in the future) would be around €35. 2x4 Gb of the same RAM would be €75+.
That's a €180 upgrade right there. The 7770 should do fine for Dota, yeah.
I think the Haswell refresh i3's (supported by the boards from june last year) among other cpu's, replaced the Haswell cpu's being 100mhz up and a little cheaper. I think there was a 3.5ghz i3 now, at $7 less MRSP than the 3.4ghz one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_i3_microprocessors#.22Haswell-DT.22_.2822_nm.29
Here in the UK, i saw the 3.7ghz one being same price as 3.6 in some places. If it's worth to go for 3.4 or 3.7 depends on price difference and stuff like i5 price, but the cheaper i5's are often not great options (they start out at low clocks, so you go from i3 @3.7ghz with 2 cores and hyperthreading under 4-core load, to i5 with four cores, but at 3ghz)
I'm not a big fan of buying an i3 on a dead platform with the idea of either being stuck with it for years, or upgrading it to another cpu - which is already available today - at some point in the future, but eh, budgets exist. Every platform right now is dead, aside from the broadwell supporting mobo's but that will likely be a minor performance upgrade.
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Thank you for the replies. It was automatically on.
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