EPTAnyway I was more curious about the possible match up between the two aforementioned cards. But it was kind of as I thought it would be.
280X at that price just shits on both for sure though, lol.
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Anyway I was more curious about the possible match up between the two aforementioned cards. But it was kind of as I thought it would be. 280X at that price just shits on both for sure though, lol. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On January 01 2014 05:39 ZeroReverse wrote: Currently I do not have an aftermarket cooler but I will be getting one next month - I was planning on CM Hyper 212 Evo or Tt SpinQ VT, but Macho HR-02 also looks quite good.So there is no need to cut from the components for a cooler. Out of those three coolers, the HR-02 Macho is the best. Its performance is very close to the top air coolers that are much more expensive so it's often a very good deal in most shops. The mounting system is good, the cooler does not move around at all and it seems impossible to do something wrong regarding things like pressure. The fan you get with it is pretty great. + Show Spoiler + Avoid the SpinQ. It's not good. The Hyper 212 Evo might also be too weak for your CPU. In general, every technology that seems special is losing against more boring technology in coolers so don't fall for marketing. That fan arrangement on the SpinQ is not doing what it should, and those direct-touch heat-pipes on the base of the Hyper 212 are not better than (similar price) Thermalright TS 120M with a simple piece of copper as a base. Most important is how good the cooler is built, how exact the base plate is manufactured for good contact to the CPU and how good the soldering to the heat-pipes is done. Because of this, you can't really know how good a cooler is just by looking at its specifications and marketing material, have to check reviews if you want to make sure to not buy something that's weaker than it should logically be. | ||
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.Mystic
Canada486 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + What is your budget? under $1000 inlcuding taxes What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? tera, Blade n soul, ff14, eso, LoL What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? basic internet usage. surfing web, streaming vids. Do you intend to overclock? No Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Yes. A monitor 1920x1080. 23-24 inch monitor If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Maybe something similar to the Typical Gamer sample build, however, for the SSD, 128gb will be good enough. A high end GPU with the best value for the price What country will you be buying your parts in? Canada online. Looking to buy it this week If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Thanks for all your help. If i missed anything, please let me know | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Places where you can scrape some money off that build would indeed be the SSD (if you only need 128 Gb) and the case. In terms of storage, you can try getting a 1 TB HDD instead of a 500 Gb one since those are better deals overall. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
What's aftermarket price in general on cheaper US sites, newegg just has a list of reference cards for $530 and a couple aftermarkets @ 550, 580, 580 (out of stock) D: that's so silly for gamers with $400 launch price | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
If anything, I'll agree that the GTX 760 is overkill for those games so you can save money by getting something cheaper. Otherwise, you can also get a cheaper CPU/motherboard. I know very little about AMD CPUs but I've heard good things about the FX6300, and it is dirt cheap. Perhaps someone else might vouch for it. So maybe something like an FX 6300 and an R9 270 to replace the other two parts might be worthwhile. Not sure about the 650 Ti Boost by the way, how good is this card? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
cost for cost vs other stuff, depends on market and models etc.. i dunno hard to keep track of everything That build needs 2x4gb RAM (not 1x8gb) and with that kind of build possible, fx6300 is subpar i think, 8320 would be possible but it's alternate build and i wouldn't take it atm | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On second thought, FX-6300 makes sense. More cores might be used in the future anyhow but keeping eight busy is even more of a stretch so I'm not really seeing the benefit of FX-8320; the price difference with i5 somewhat corresponds with the big performance gap, which should be largely unimportant for those purposes. Didn't check too heavily for prices (many more sites) but just until I thought something was close to the reasonable range. AMD FX-6300 - $120 http://products.ncix.com/detail/amd-fx-6300-six-core-processor-socket-am3-3-5ghz-14mb-95w-retail-box-60-76934-1051.htm Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 - $70 (dunno, it did supposedly support those 140W Phenom II parts) http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX47026 G.Skill 2 x 4GB 2133 MHz DDR3 - $70 (if the price jumps, forget it) http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX34251 Gigabyte GTX 650 Ti Boost - $180 http://products.ncix.com/detail/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-650-ti-boost-oc-1098mhz-2gb-6ghz-gddr5-2xdvi-hdmi-displayport-pci-e-video-card-f8-81621.htm Intel 530 180GB - $129 (wasn't really seeing much of the sub-$100 120GB from decent brands) http://products.ncix.com/detail/intel-530-series-180gb-sata-ssd-2-5in-7-0mm-retail-box-with-2-5-to-3-5-mounting-bracket-07-88381-1051.htm Seagate 1TB - $65 http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX36523 LiteOn DVD burner - $20 http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX24714 SATA cable - $3 (don't know if the motherboard only comes with two) http://products.ncix.com/detail/mod-smart-serial-ata-3-sata3-data-cable-10in-straight-90-degree-angled-connector-uv-red-48-53028-1082.htm EVGA 500 Bronze - $50 http://products.ncix.com/detail/evga-500-bronze-500w-80plus-bronze-power-supply-3-years-warranty-ff-85625-1051.htm BitFenix Merc Alpha - $35 http://products.ncix.com/detail/bitfenix-merc-alpha-steel-black-atx-mid-tower-case-3x5-25-7x3-25-1x2-5-no-ps-top-2xusb3-0-audio-d3-77540-1360.htm LG 23EA53V-P - $150 (AH-IPS model, unlike many of the older eIPS stuff out there, many of which has very heavy matte antiglare) http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX46821 or alternate monitor BenQ GW2450 - $140 (AOU A-MVA, so better blacks and contrast but worse responsiveness on some transitions, maybe a little worse out of box calibration and uniformity on average than the above) http://products.ncix.com/detail/benq-gw2450-24in-widescreen-a-mva-led-monitor-1920x1080-16-9-vga-dvi-wall-mount-compatible-08-81705-1051.htm | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Nagisama
Canada4481 Posts
After some heart attacks with my first attempts at overclocking I was able to get stable with these settings. Core Mult: 44 (4.4ghz) Core Voltage: 1.26V Uncore Mult: 42 Uncore Voltage: 1.200V Tested with IBT x 10 on high. Temps peaked at around 75-80C at 100% load, and 25-30C at idle. I left the ram settings on default since once I enabled XMP, it wouldn't post =\ So it's running at 1600mhz (11-11-11-28) instead of its rated 2133mhz. yay \o/ | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
 XMP is a bit funky, it can change voltages like system agent in extreme ways (i've heard of it throwing +0.3) so i'd definately reccomend just hitting in your RAM voltage, frequency and primary timings (maybe a few secondaries too) and leaving XMP if it messes with other settings or you have signs of issues like that | ||
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Canada297 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
On January 03 2014 07:08 McTeazy wrote: What do I need to consider buying an OS? in terms of 64 bit vs 32, pro vs regular etc. Don't forget about Microsoft's student deals when buying an OS  It will save you a ton of money. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13431 Posts
On December 28 2013 09:02 Cyro wrote: ^But it won't use that much, considering average draw on 770 is like 170-180w and it has 33% more cores Power draw on a single gtx780ti with bios mod (at a 24/7 volt like 1.25v on air) is comfortably like >2.5x higher (2.5x as many cores, higher voltage) cx430 not too great for ocing with a 290/780 tier card, but other stuff below that, you're really fine, especially on a non-extreme (>1.4v) cpu oc The issue is for my CPU to be stable at more than 4.2 I need to run 1.4v. Heck, it runs factory off 1.25v and anything below 1.4 I can barely OC at all. Not sure why, but its just the way my CPU was made I guess. Now this being said at 1.4 on Air cool I reach only about 55 celsius under load playing even BF4 (sometimes around 60 but usually between 53-56 celsius so I figured it was fine. So using Extreme outervision power calc its telling me I am using 125w to run the CPU and with my DVD RW drive and the 3 case fans and usb devices I have plugged in I should be needing around 425 w to run with the new card. And isn't that cutting it close? Aren't you supposed to have a higher PSU wattage than what you need? Thoughts? If I can safely try and see and then get it if I need then all for it. But what am I looking for when I put the card in to say im pushing the PSU too far? Beyond you know, shutting off randomly haha. Also, would this allow me to OC the GPU in the future if I chose to? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
You're supposed to target peak draw of ~80% of your PSU's rated output; running 1.4vcore and fully loading cpu+gpu simultaneously with all other system loads is probably quite stressful on a cx430 (if you're actually running 1.4vcore fine.. something sounds off there) but really, 300w between cpu/gpu (maybe like 325, hard to say very exactly) you're pretty much ok. You can always cut 0.2v from the CPU and half your power consumption there You can't OC 770's, they're voltage locked unless you have specific models and want to mess around with command line and afterburner voltage hacks Wait, you said 760 - srsly, i5 @1.3v +760 is not even close to 300w under a game like bf4.. it's completely fine same story with 760's i think - most kepler cards are heavily locked down, gk110 can be unlocked relatively easily though on most pcb's | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
Are you talking about your voltage settings in the BIOS or about what you see in monitoring programs inside Windows while you run some sort of stress test? Did you configure LLC? Here's example measurements how voltage regulation might behave on a board with the different LLC settings: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/aH9xqAM.png) ("Digital multi-meter" means those numbers are physically measured at the right spots on the board, not numbers reported by software) You'll see the actual voltage can be a lot different compared to what's set in the BIOS, which might explain the very low temperature despite high voltage. | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13431 Posts
I set 1.4 in the bios, and I tried 1.35 1.36 etc and 1.39 works up until heavy load on my CPU and then it causes errors. I have stress tested and I got at its worst 64 celsius but when I play games and other things I am around 55 celsius. Good to know the PSU is probably fine which is great. But I am curious as to why I appear to be needing such a high VCore. I am not sure how I am supposed to OC my CPU if I can't really do so at less than 1.4v without errors :/ I mean when I started OCing I looked at tons of guides and started slow and checked temps every time. And I am having zero temp issues. Running OCCT I maxed out at 75 celsius and bumped it down to 1.395. 1.39 leads to instabality and blue screens :/ as well as things like chrome just crashing for some reason. | ||
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.Mystic
Canada486 Posts
thanks for the help incognoto and Myrmidon. http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/2uzQJ This is what I created based off both your builds. I opted to go with i5 and decided to keep it under $1000 excluding taxes. The small jump in price is worth the performance is how i explained to him. He wanted to use this comp for few years so 760 seems to be a good choice for future games even though it may be overkill like you said. I believe the PSU is strong enough for this setup, but would like to double check. If I missed anything, let me know. I'll prbly stick to ME and NCIX like Myrmidon's build to save on shipping costs. I don't trust partpicker website to have the lowest prices from the web lol. | ||
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