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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
November 18 2013 16:21 GMT
#2101
Is the Canadian $ weaker than the US ?

list of psus btw: http://www.overclock.net/t/183810/faq-recommended-power-supplies
maru lover forever
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 18 2013 16:23 GMT
#2102
No, Canadian Dollar has been on par or stronger than the US Dollar for some time now.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
November 18 2013 16:39 GMT
#2103
Ah, ok, because the Define R4 is like $120 in soap's post and you mentioned it to be closer to $80. I had no idea how the two dollars compared so. ^^

maru lover forever
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 18 2013 16:42 GMT
#2104
It's $80 when it's on sale but it doesn't go on sale that often anymore and ME hasn't had stock of it for a while now.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 17:15:42
November 18 2013 17:21 GMT
#2105
On November 19 2013 00:39 Xxio wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Alright t_t I need help.

Maybe the "Typical Gamer" build in the OP? With a GTX 770?

What is your budget?
$1,300 before tax -- but it would be a bonus if I could get what I want for less, of course

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Rome II, SC2, random RPGs

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Audio recording and editing, basic video editing

Do you intend to overclock?
No

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No

Do you need an operating system?
No

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Planning to get this along with PC: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=64581&promoid=1287
Not part of budget

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
You guys will know better than me. I just want quality products that will last and have minimal chance of problems.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
Canada

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
NCIX (who will assemble)

Additional
Don't plan to have many programs open at the same time. Not yet convinced that SSD is worth the price.


This comes in slightly over $1300 before tax at $1318 but it is overclockable and has an SSD.

Intel Core i5 4670k @ $240
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=81327&promoid=1287

Gigabyte Z87X-UD3H @ $130 ($115 after mail in rebate)
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=84042&promoid=1287

G.Skill Ripjaws X 2x4gb 2133MHz @ $91 (pricematch with http://ncix.com/products/?sku=88896 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=88896

MSI GTX 770 2GB Twin Frozr IV @ $340
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=84358&promoid=1287

Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 @ $90
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=78227&promoid=1287

Seasonic G 450 @ $85
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=76941

Western Digital Blue 1TB @ $65 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=25350DR1363 )
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=74462

Crucial M500 240GB @ $158
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=81655&promoid=1146

Noctua NH-U14S @ $69 (pricematch with http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608041 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=82802

Assembly @ $50
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=7842


If for certain you don't want to overclock then:

Switch Core i5 4670k for a regular Core i5 4670 @ $220 (pricematch with http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116898 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=81328

Switch the Z87 motherboard for a Gigabyte B85M-D3H @ $80 ((pricematch with http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8324503 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=84036

Remove Noctua NH-U14S.

This reduces the total by ~$140.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 18 2013 17:21 GMT
#2106
4770k at Microcenter for $200, btw for anyone near a Microcenter looking to purchase a CPU soon.
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-18 18:07:01
November 18 2013 17:54 GMT
#2107
My aversion to overclocking is that the voltage can hurt the processor, which just sucks, and I don't know how to negate that and be sure that overclocking won't shorten the CPU's lifespan.

And will this work with the build you made? I assume it will but I've learned not to trust my assumptions when it comes to these things...

TP-Link TL-WDN4800 450MBPS Dual-Band Wireless N PCI-E Adapter Atheros 3T3R 2.4/5GHZ 802 11A/B/G/N
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=69169
KTY
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-18 18:08:40
November 18 2013 18:05 GMT
#2108
CPU and GPU overclocking are not related. GPU overclocking is done through software in Windows and GPU voltage is by default locked (and only changeable with cards with unlocked voltage, and after going into settings and unlocking GPU voltage).

CPU overclocking, just follow some instructions, Cyro has a Haswell so he can help you there. It's really difficult to destroy a processor unless you're very careless or lack common sense.

Yes, that wireless adapter will work.
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
November 18 2013 18:08 GMT
#2109
Thanks!
KTY
Masq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1792 Posts
November 18 2013 19:41 GMT
#2110
On November 19 2013 02:21 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 00:39 Xxio wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Alright t_t I need help.

Maybe the "Typical Gamer" build in the OP? With a GTX 770?

What is your budget?
$1,300 before tax -- but it would be a bonus if I could get what I want for less, of course

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Rome II, SC2, random RPGs

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Audio recording and editing, basic video editing

Do you intend to overclock?
No

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No

Do you need an operating system?
No

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Planning to get this along with PC: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=64581&promoid=1287
Not part of budget

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
You guys will know better than me. I just want quality products that will last and have minimal chance of problems.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
Canada

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
NCIX (who will assemble)

Additional
Don't plan to have many programs open at the same time. Not yet convinced that SSD is worth the price.


Crucial M500 240GB @ $158
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=81655&promoid=1146


Do you often seen larger SSDs, 500/750/1000 on sale for the Holidays? Or do you think this is approximately the best deals to be had?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 18 2013 19:51 GMT
#2111
I think most of the sales focus around 120GB / 250GB but then again I never really looked at larger SSDs until this year since it wasn't until last year that the Samsung 840 and Crucial M500 made the larger sizes affordable.

From this year, both the Samsung 840 and Crucial M500 ~500GB have been down to ~$300.

The Crucial M500 has been on sale for quite a lot this month so.. it could go down further? Who knows. Samsung 840 250GB was $150 last year.
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-18 20:11:53
November 18 2013 20:08 GMT
#2112
The catch on SSD size is while 240GB allows to put all software there without concern, 500GB would allow media as well but that offers little to no advantage.

Gigabyte Z87X-UD3H @ $130 ($115 after mail in rebate)
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=84042&promoid=1287


The difference between Z87 boards on a casual overclock isn't worth $35.

MSI GTX 770 2GB Twin Frozr IV @ $340
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=84358&promoid=1287


Without overclock, the R9 280X is better for the same price.

Switch the Z87 motherboard for a Gigabyte B85M-D3H @ $80 ((pricematch with http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8324503 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=84036


On mATX boards the wireless adapter would block the graphics card cooling, the Z87 board I linked for the same $80 after rebate has a slot behind.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 18 2013 20:38 GMT
#2113
The difference between an Asrock Z87 and current price of a Z87X-UD3H is $10, not $35. And the UD3H is a $160 MSRP board, it's an extremely good deal at $130. If you want to deal with shitty mail in rebates than fine.

Yes, the R9 280X is better but I just put in the GTX 700 because that's what he had? Maybe he needs CUDA support?

No, the wireless adapter would not block the GPU. There is a slot between the PCIe slots.
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-18 20:56:32
November 18 2013 20:53 GMT
#2114
On November 19 2013 05:08 Soap wrote:
The catch on SSD size is while 240GB allows to put all software there without concern, 500GB would allow media as well but that offers little to no advantage.

Show nested quote +
Gigabyte Z87X-UD3H @ $130 ($115 after mail in rebate)
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=84042&promoid=1287


The difference between Z87 boards on a casual overclock isn't worth $35.

Show nested quote +
MSI GTX 770 2GB Twin Frozr IV @ $340
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=84358&promoid=1287


Without overclock, the R9 280X is better for the same price.

Show nested quote +
Switch the Z87 motherboard for a Gigabyte B85M-D3H @ $80 ((pricematch with http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8324503 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=84036


On mATX boards the wireless adapter would block the graphics card cooling, the Z87 board I linked for the same $80 after rebate has a slot behind.

Here I'll waste my 1500th post on you.

Larger SSD = More NAND = Higher endurance = longer life. I'm still waiting for SSD's to adopt PCIe, x4 is ~1800MB/s while SATA3 SSD's are stuck at ~500MB/s.

The difference between an entry Z87 board and a good Z87 board is that you can actually get past 4.3GHz because the motherboard isn't complete garbage. You are spending extra money to Overclock so why the fuck would you cheap out on the most important part to a stable overclock? I suggest you inform yourself on the short comings of cheap motherboards.

Not overclocking a graphics card is so ass backwards... ALL GPU's can be overclocked, not doing so is a waste of money.

People SLI/CF open cooler cards ALL the time and it doesn't make the GPU catch on fire so having a small networking card right below doesn't mean jack cooling wise.

DON'T EVER include rebates as a reduction in purchase price. YOU are still paying FULL price (and tax if applicable) for the component.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Ata
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada356 Posts
November 18 2013 21:31 GMT
#2115
On November 19 2013 03:08 Xxio wrote:
Thanks!


Too bad you need them to build it for you as you could make it a little bit cheaper ordering from memoryexpress.
Zen5034
Profile Joined July 2011
United States384 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 00:18:39
November 19 2013 00:18 GMT
#2116
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 18 2013 13:05 Zen5034 wrote:
Hi TL,

Looking for a build for my parents, but I'm wondering if I can perhaps use a smaller tower / micro motherboard combo.

What is your budget?
<$1,000

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920 x 1080, but it's possible that they will hook this up to the TV, so I'm not sure if that affects anything.

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
N/A

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Typical computer usage. They watch foreign flicks.

Do you intend to overclock?
No.

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No.

Do you need an operating system?
Will be buying a copy of Win 7.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Already have a monitor/TV.

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
I will be buying this SSD:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147247

I don't think my parents will be using much space for programs at all. If they do, I will take care of that in the future.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA; there is also a MicroCenter where I live.

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Newegg would be nice.

All I have in my cart so far is the RAM (aside from the other two items):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231544

I don't mind splurging a bit on a case that is nice to use, which is why I put the budget rather high for what I figure should be a fairly inexpensive build since a graphics card won't be necessary.

By the way, is there a reason why RAM is super pricey now?



Never mind, they don't want one anymore lol. Sorry.

Also, thanks for explaining the RAM prices.
Jaedong!
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
November 19 2013 03:06 GMT
#2117
Hm, I'm reading that the 3GB on the R9 280X will make it more useful than the GTX 770 in the future. Yet right now, that the GTX 770 is an overall better card. All this from tomshardware threads. Anyone have thoughts on this?
KTY
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
November 19 2013 03:06 GMT
#2118
On November 19 2013 01:39 Incognoto wrote:
Ah, ok, because the Define R4 is like $120 in soap's post and you mentioned it to be closer to $80. I had no idea how the two dollars compared so. ^^



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352020

its on sale right now btw.
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
November 19 2013 03:07 GMT
#2119
On November 19 2013 12:06 Xxio wrote:
Hm, I'm reading that the 3GB on the R9 280X will make it more useful than the GTX 770 in the future. Yet right now, that the GTX 770 is an overall better card. All this from tomshardware threads. Anyone have thoughts on this?


hmm i also read somewhere (forget where)
that right now 2gb is borderline okay, and that soon 4gb will be the standard.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 03:21:49
November 19 2013 03:20 GMT
#2120
On November 19 2013 12:06 Xxio wrote:
Hm, I'm reading that the 3GB on the R9 280X will make it more useful than the GTX 770 in the future. Yet right now, that the GTX 770 is an overall better card. All this from tomshardware threads. Anyone have thoughts on this?


Both are similar, it really comes down to price and whether you value AMD's Mantle or Nvidia's Shadow Play and G Sync more.
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