EPTOn November 18 2013 13:05 Zen5034 wrote:By the way, is there a reason why RAM is super pricey now?
Because manufacturers are reducing production of DDR3. And the bankruptcy of one of the RAM manufacturer may have something to do with it too.
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Because manufacturers are reducing production of DDR3. And the bankruptcy of one of the RAM manufacturer may have something to do with it too. | ||
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boon2537
United States905 Posts
I would like to hear you guys opinion on ibuypower. I've heard that the build quality is kinda unreliable, but is it really that bad ? Price wise, some of their model is pretty good compared to building your own. Like, I can get i5-4670, 8gb DDR3-1866 ram (is DDR3-1866 considerably better than DDR3-1600? ), GTX 760, MSI Z87-G41 motherboard, 500w Corsair psu, 128 ADATA ssd, 1 TB drive, bluray player, and windows 8 for $1200. If I were to build that on my own that would probably cost around $1000-1100. So my main question is ibuypower that bad that it is worth it to build your own at around the same price? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
It really isn't that hard to build better than that for less with the holiday sales. If you can't spend a few hours of your time to build a computer than okay I guess it's worth buying something inferior from Ibuypower? | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
edit $1200 is terrible for that price as well. | ||
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boon2537
United States905 Posts
I'm kinda new at this, so I would really appreciate you guys' help. My budget is around $1200 and I'm not planning to overclock. What would be the ideal build if I wanna be able to play BF4 and up-coming games like Witcher 3 on high (or highest if my budget allowed) settings in 1080p? Also, I have access to microcenter but I will have to convince a friend to drive me there, haha. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Core i5 4570 for $160 at Microcenter Some H81 motherboard for ~$50 at Microcenter ASUS R9 280X for $310 at Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121803 Rosewill Capstone 450 for $60 at Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 , the Capstone 550m was $47 after mail in rebate just yesterday. G.Skill 2x4GB 1600MHz for $68 at Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231544 Fractal Design Define R4 for $80 at Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352020 Samsung 840 EVO 120GB for $100 at Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147247 Western Digital Blue 1TB for $70 at Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2W00YU4026 If you need a disc drive than get one in a combo. Windows 8.1 for ~$100 at Newegg or Microcenter | ||
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boon2537
United States905 Posts
 Do you think it would be wise to wait and buy around cyber Monday to save a bit of money? or the price would not differ much ? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Define R4 for $80 is good, the lowest it's been is ~$70. I'm not sure if Microcenter has sales but I'm guessing they don't since their processor + motherboard combo are already below MSRP. R9 280x won't go on sale since that's newly released. Samsung 840 EVO will probably go on sale, RAM will probably go on sale, Capstone 450 was on sale earlier this month so not sure if it's going to go on sale again. | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [prices] + 4670 + H81 for about $270 3570K + Z77 for about $300 4670K + Z87 for about $350 *prices are rounded but let's assume that the steps are about accurate... First, how good is the stock fan/cooler? I assume it's adequate for the stock 4670 but if I'm looking to OC either of the other two combos should I assume there's an additional added expense? Now, considering I'm primarily focusing on a build to stream SC2 what's sort of subjective advice can be given? + Show Spoiler [ie] + I recall hearing that the 4 series is in practice 10% faster than an equally clocked 3 series. With the price steps that would suggest that I need to be able to get at least 10% OC from the 3570K combo to match the 4670 combo and then at least another 10% to make up for the cost. Since the 4670K combo costs slightly more than 10% more than the 3570K combo I'd need to end up at a slightly higher clock than the 3570K for the price... Please correct any misconceptions I might have as well as point out anything else I'm overlooking Thanks! | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
$50 would get you this: http://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-BW-Support-Socket-Driver/dp/B008YTUN38/ or this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118133 This is a popular $75 choice: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608041 | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
I don't know if you can use 1866MHz speed for the memory without an unlocked CPU. So if that particular kit is not the cheapest choice, you might want to look at what 1600MHz memory kits are available that might be cheaper. You might be able to save some money by buying a H87 board instead of Z87. I think it's theoretically possible to support NVIDIA's SLI with the H87 chipset, so there might be a H87 board that can do that, and that board might be cheaper. You didn't choose an unlocked version of the CPU and no aftermarket CPU cooler so you don't need the CPU overclocking part of Z87's features. I'm assuming you want to use SLI in the future and that's why you chose a 750W PSU. Do you have a reason for choosing i7 over i5? The CPUs are pretty similar and have same performance for most types of usage. | ||
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On November 18 2013 23:19 Ropid wrote: I feel it's a suspicious decision to not get an SSD for that particular PC. I don't care to pay for a SSD just so things load a bit faster, and I can always buy one later. I've never had one but my friend failed to convince me that I would think it's worth it. I don't know if you can use 1866MHz speed for the memory without an unlocked CPU. So if that particular kit is not the cheapest choice, you might want to look at what 1600MHz memory kits are available that might be cheaper. Hm, damn, so the RAM won't work with that CPU? Ah! You're right according to: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1869313/4470k-support-1866mhz-ram-speed.html You might be able to save some money by buying a H87 board instead of Z87. I think it's theoretically possible to support NVIDIA's SLI with the H87 chipset, so there might be a H87 board that can do that, and that board might be cheaper. I don't mind, would rather get something good and certain. You didn't choose an unlocked version of the CPU and no aftermarket CPU cooler so you don't need the CPU overclocking part of Z87's features. Sweet. I'm assuming you want to use SLI in the future and that's why you chose a 750W PSU. Nope, I just don't know anything about what to get. What's a better option? Do you have a reason for choosing i7 over i5? The CPUs are pretty similar and have same performance for most types of usage. Well, it seemed to me the best processor before a significant price jump, and I want a processor that will still be great in a few years since they are much harder to replace. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
The RAM will work, but it will run at 1600MHz, not the 1866MHz it can do. See if you can get something cheaper at 1600MHz and voltage of 1.5V. The i5 and i7 seem to be nearly the same CPU internally. The i7 has a feature called "hyper-threading" that makes it look like it has 8 cores instead of the 4 cores it has in reality. It's true that it's the top CPU, but the $100 price increase seems a little too much I feel. That HyperThreading gets used in Battlefield 4, I think, and it gets used for encoding videos. That Z87 board, if you won't overclock, and you will never put in a second graphics card for SLI, you should just buy the cheapest board you can get. From what I've seen, it seems if a board will not break early when it's still new, you will very likely never have it die, no matter if it was cheap or not. So if you don't really want to have some specific feature only the expensive board has, you will likely waste your money. Regarding "specific feature", I'm thinking about things like better onboard audio, something special like wireless networking, or the possibility to use SLI. About that ASUS Z87-A specifically, I really don't like that ASUS did not choose Intel's networking, instead went for a cheaper chip from Realtek. That might actually be bad quality for its price. You might want to look out for that in a board's specifications as it's easy to see. A board has Intel LAN if the manufacturer payed the money for a license to use that part of Intel's chipset. | ||
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
How about these as replacements? How bad will the audio be without getting an onboard upgrade? Thermaltake TR2 500W Power Supply Cable Management ATX12V V2.3 24PIN With 120mm Fan http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=66855&promoid=1287 ASUS A55BM-A/USB3 mATX FM2+ DDR3 2133 1XPCI-EX16 6XSATA 6GB/S 2XUSB 3.0 Motherboard http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=90254 Intel Core i5 4670K Unlocked Haswell Quad Core 3.4GHZ Processor LGA1150 6MB Cache Retail http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=81327&promoid=1287 + wireless TP-Link TL-WDN4800 450MBPS Dual-Band Wireless N PCI-E Adapter Atheros 3T3R 2.4/5GHZ 802 11A/B/G/N http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=69169 | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
Fill out questionnaire in the OP. Because we are flying blind right now. | ||
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
Maybe the "Typical Gamer" build in the OP? With a GTX 770? What is your budget? $1,300 before tax -- but it would be a bonus if I could get what I want for less, of course What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Rome II, SC2, random RPGs What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Audio recording and editing, basic video editing Do you intend to overclock? No Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Planning to get this along with PC: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=64581&promoid=1287 Not part of budget If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. You guys will know better than me. I just want quality products that will last and have minimal chance of problems. What country will you be buying your parts in? Canada If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. NCIX (who will assemble) Additional Don't plan to have many programs open at the same time. Not yet convinced that SSD is worth the price. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On November 19 2013 00:27 Xxio wrote: Shit...I know nothing! How about these as replacements? How bad will the audio be without getting an onboard upgrade? Thermaltake TR2 500W Power Supply Cable Management ATX12V V2.3 24PIN With 120mm Fan http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=66855&promoid=1287 ASUS A55BM-A/USB3 mATX FM2+ DDR3 2133 1XPCI-EX16 6XSATA 6GB/S 2XUSB 3.0 Motherboard http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=90254 Intel Core i5 4670K Unlocked Haswell Quad Core 3.4GHZ Processor LGA1150 6MB Cache Retail http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=81327&promoid=1287 + wireless TP-Link TL-WDN4800 450MBPS Dual-Band Wireless N PCI-E Adapter Atheros 3T3R 2.4/5GHZ 802 11A/B/G/N http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=69169 That's not a board for Intel CPUs (it's for something AMD). You need to look in the LGA1150 socket section. Those are the boards that can run the i7-4770 CPU you want to buy. Here's a link to LGA1150 stuff: http://www.ncix.com/products/?minorcatid=107&subminorcatid=1632 I don't feel confident suggesting a PSU, but maybe one of these: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=49495&vpn=ST50F-ES (this one can only do 408W on 12V so the 500W it says on the label is a little fake) http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=58739&vpn=ST60F-ES (it can do 504W) http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=59615&vpn=P1550SXXB9 (528W on 12V, so it's honest) I sorted the PSU list by price. No idea how to judge their price while keeping mail-in-rebate in mind (doesn't exist where I'm from). | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Getting the 4670k or 4670 is recommended. With the k suffix, it means you're going to overclock. If you're going to overclock you need a Z87 motherboard (GA-Z87X-D3H is the go-to, roughly $130) and an aftermarket heatsink (see OP, there's sufficient information on heatsinks there) which should cost at most around $70. If you're not going to overclock, you get the i5 4670 with a much cheaper H81 motherboard. I think ASRock's H81s are the cheapest (roughly $50), could be wrong. You won't need an aftermarket heatsink either, the one that comes with the processor is sufficient. GTX 770 2 Gb is fine for the games you mentioned, I think it's priced all right. AMD's equivalent is the R9 280X or the 7970. Both of those cards have 3 Gb of VRAM which is better, but you only go above 2 Gb of VRAM for the most demanding games, such as Crysis 3 or BF4, at 1080p. It's more "future proof" to get 3 Gb of VRAM though. Up to you and the prices you find. If an SSD fits your budget it's totally worth it, your friend is amazing(ly bad at convincing people) if he didn't manage to convince you to get an SSD. Of course I wonder why I'm even posting all this when Ropid clearly said everything already. lul. | ||
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
ASRock Z87 PRO3 $80 after rebate Samsung 840 Evo 250GB $200 Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB $73 Seasonic G Series 450W $85 Fractal Design Define R4 $120 G.SKILL TridentX 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-2400 CL10 240PIN 1.65V Dual Channel Memory Kit $102 ASUS Radeon R9 280X OC $340 TP-Link TL-WDN4800 450MBPS Dual-Band Wireless N PCI-E Adapter $38 $1278 Z87 motherboard is the cheapest ATX, so might as well get an overclockable processor for only $10 extra. SSD is the single best upgrade besides graphics card and that only for a gaming PC, I'm pretty sure people don't understand what it does. | ||
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