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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
November 19 2013 03:26 GMT
#2121
This site seems to have done a good job of breaking down the differences:
http://www.game-debate.com/gpu/index.php?gid=1860&gid2=881&compare=radeon-r9-280x-vs-geforce-gtx-770
They also recommend a more powerful PSU though?
KTY
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
November 19 2013 03:37 GMT
#2122
Nobody is going to use a 280x/7970 at 850mhz, and nobody is going to use a 680/770 (yay rebrands of the same gpu!) at 1046mhz

Pretty silly reccomending a 500/550w PSU considering typical load power for a 680/770 @1300mhz is like 180 watts and i'd estimate my peak power draw (pushing oc hard on 4770k +770) to be in the range of like 350 watts
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 19 2013 03:40 GMT
#2123
Most of the specs are meaningless because most boards are not of reference design and specs across architectures are meaningless. Nearly all R9 280X start at 1000MHz+ and the same goes for the GTX 770 which are all like 1100MHz+.

A R9 280x or GTX 770 with typical i5 is not likely to break 300w during gaming. A Seasonic G 450 is plenty for this sort of configuration.

38a on 12v rail is also a 450w unit, not a 550w unit so their recommended PSU spec is questionable..
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 04:03:04
November 19 2013 03:57 GMT
#2124
To be fair for gtx770 their spec is voltage lock @1.212v which will give 1250-1275 on most GPU's. 1350 on some. There's not much point in going lower, considering for example the windforce cooler is the same on the 770 and 780 - you can cool a 780 that's unlocked with 50% more cores at a significantly higher voltage pulling 350w+ with it - if 770 pulls 180 under typical gaming/heaven load, there's not much reason not to run that

280x actually requires raising voltage and notably changing temps vs stock, but i'd imagine 1k is a low clock. OCUK deal of the day has a lightning @1150mhz stock (7970, but same thing) competitively priced with 280x/770 lineup
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
November 19 2013 06:11 GMT
#2125
Skyr, do you still recommend getting the R9 290 by the way? Even if it's hot and noisy?
maru lover forever
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 19 2013 06:28 GMT
#2126
Not for the typical person. But if you don't care about noise then it's an amazing card at $400.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 06:45:34
November 19 2013 06:42 GMT
#2127
Aftermarkets should make it fly, sucky 2 months without them though. Can't believe AMD would wait so long to take a significant performance/dollar lead. If an accelero cooler can keep the GPU (at a 15% overclock) at 30c above ambient while amd cooler is 70c above ambient with noise levels also leagues higher, then damn, it's a joke. Two months?

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"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
November 19 2013 12:43 GMT
#2128
Ordered the exact build you posted skyR

Thanks for the help everyone. I feel like I'm actually starting to understand this stuff now.
KTY
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 19 2013 12:55 GMT
#2129
Nice DDR4 is going to be released within 1month :D
DDR4 MotherBoards next on the list and i can begin my new build :D
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 14:53:14
November 19 2013 14:52 GMT
#2130
DDR4 motherboards are coming with Haswell-E in second half of next year and in ~2015 for mainstream customers. Haswell etc doesn't support ddr4, and if RAM performance was a revolutionary thing for performance, everybody would be using ~1.8v RAM and overclocking. If it's a massive jump it should help though
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
November 19 2013 15:00 GMT
#2131
DDR4 is going to be crazy expensive and everyone is going to stay with DDR3 until prices become reasonable (just like when DDR3 came out, it wasn't fully adopted for over 2 years). My motherboard was MSI's flagship when DDR3 came out and it was their only motherboard to support DDR3 during that time. How many pins is DDR4 though? Still 240?
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 19 2013 15:02 GMT
#2132
Nope, it's going to have more pins.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 15:07:43
November 19 2013 15:05 GMT
#2133
Yeah there is no precise release date yet. All we know is it is 2014 for the MoBos and they are going to EPIC with Haswell E

Simple conclusion from Guru3d

Haswell-E is going to be a blast. From what we’ve seen, Intel is putting in a lot of efforts to the last 22nm platform. In short, if you’ve been waiting to replace your current system with Intel’s highest end offerings, Haswell-E is the platform to wait for (and grab, the moment it’s out).


On November 20 2013 00:00 iTzSnypah wrote:
DDR4 is going to be crazy expensive and everyone is going to stay with DDR3 until prices become reasonable (just like when DDR3 came out, it wasn't fully adopted for over 2 years). My motherboard was MSI's flagship when DDR3 came out and it was their only motherboard to support DDR3 during that time. How many pins is DDR4 though? Still 240?


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Here’s some more information related to RAM support, Wellsburg will only allow you to install DDR4 type RAM on the motherboard, with speed configurations being in steps of 1333 MHz, 1600 MHz, 1866 MHz and 2133 MHz. Something tells us that 2133 MHz will be the minimum speed of DDR4 kits that go on sale next year (enthusiasts won’t be going for any less anyway).

Quad-channel DDR4 RAM along with increased frequencies could lead to a near 50% increase in bandwidth compared to the older, triple-channel configuration which housed much more conservative RAM clock speeds.

The chipset will support low voltage (1.2V) DDR4 RAM kits (must be the 1333 MHz ones). The DIMM connector now has 288 pins (as opposed to 284 from earlier), the 4 additional pins added to support NVDIMM modules. Good news is that both 284/288 pin RAM modules will be usable on motherboards with the 284 pin connector or the new 288 pin connector.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 15:48:53
November 19 2013 15:31 GMT
#2134
Haswell-E is going to be a blast.


Just like Haswell was going to be >.>

It's pretty hard to screw up an 8-core consumer CPU with ddr4 support though
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 17:15:28
November 19 2013 17:13 GMT
#2135
If I get the 4770 over the 4570(non-k) is the performance differential for editing and CAD software massive? I really don't want to pay that extra 100$+ just to get a minor boost for programs like 3DMAX or Revit. Currently my ancient Lynnfield is at its limits when my project gets intensive, it eats up a lot of the CPU usage.

Although the GPU factors in for 3DMAX, Revit for some reason is pure CPU power for everything from rendering and graphics.

edit: And there hasn't been any decent hardware combos on newegg or am I failing to spot them? Especially mobo combos for non-k boards.

"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 17:23:17
November 19 2013 17:22 GMT
#2136
There's also a bunch of Xeon E3 v3 CPUs that are closely related to i5 and i7 and are using LGA1150 socket. You can get HyperThreading cheaper than by buying i7 with those. The first that has HyperThreading is the Xeon E3-1230v3. The ones ending with a zero, like that 1230, are missing the integrated graphics.

Here's the specifications on Intel's website: http://ark.intel.com/products/75054/

Here are the pages for 4670 and 4770 to compare:
http://ark.intel.com/products/75047/
http://ark.intel.com/products/75122/

Prices on newegg.com:
i5-4670 = $220
E3-1230v3 = $254
E3-1240v3 = $276
i7-4770 = $310
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 17:50:58
November 19 2013 17:25 GMT
#2137
I play games too, especially the Total War series. So I never intended to replace my ancient gaming PC build with workstation parts. But if its feasible for both applications I don't mind.

edit: So besides some extensions that I will never utilze and lower TDP, the Ivy Bridge 1240 is essentially the same as the Haswell 1240? Seems like the Xeons for me are a better deal overall compared to 4xxx series.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Masq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1792 Posts
November 19 2013 18:55 GMT
#2138
Still looking for a SSD deal, but I came across this and figured I'd attempt to contribute.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DTPYT78/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Intel 530 240gb reseller kit, $149.99 (.com, not .ca) I imagine its a pretty nice deal for Americans.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 19 2013 18:59 GMT
#2139
Ships to Canada too.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 19:00:38
November 19 2013 19:00 GMT
#2140
We all know Americans get betters than their neighbors in the north.

edit: better deals*
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
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