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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On November 15 2013 11:20 skyR wrote: No, the better question is why does DVI and VGA still exist. For people with shitty cheap monitors! ^^ Edit: @Grobyc, there's a tablet thread on TL somewhere I think. How good is Seagate's 600 SSD? The only two SSDs I've ever seen recommended in this thread are the 840 EVO (Samsung) and the M500 (Crucial). | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
But it's just another SSD, and it's not cheaper than say 840 EVO usually. | ||
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
On November 15 2013 14:56 Incognoto wrote: For people with shitty cheap monitors! ^^ I can assure you that my monitor cost more and is better than yours, and yet it requires a dual-link DVI connector. | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On November 15 2013 11:20 skyR wrote: No, the better question is why does DVI and VGA still exist. HDMI and Display Port require a license to use on a product. DVI doesn't. VGA should just die though. | ||
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Adtor
Canada82 Posts
So if I understand correctly, a graphic card bigger than 2gb is only required for a bigger resolution than 1920x1080. And it will run any game at full so no need to invest in a 3gb to be ''safe'' right? And I also thought that RAM is the most important resource. Like if I want to play an MMO at full setting, 8gb is plenty? I shouldn't double it to make sure it runs smoothly all the time? I guess the internet connection is most important not to lag on raids I guess. It just all makes me realize how clueless I was about it all. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On November 15 2013 11:08 IMKR wrote: Regarding a monitor, if i hook it up to my gpu using dvi port, there will be no sound correct? but if i hook it up with an HDMI there will be sounds? (assuming the monitor has built in speakers of course) however, people say the built in audio is crap and you should buy a speaker set, even a $20 one. if that is true, whats the point of an HDMI in existence if DVI does what HDMI does without sound and your going to buy a pair of speakers anyways? Thx There's audio over DVI-D as well, but it seems to be a bit of an obscure feature and I don't know where to find documentation about that. I don't think it's in the actual standard. It's just that HDMI and DVI-D are related and use the same format for the digital video signal. A lot of graphics cards also transmit the HDMI audio signal over DVI-D. I only know on the NVIDIA side, some card suddenly introduced that. My GTX 560 Ti can apparently do it, though I never tested this. I'm thinking the monitor also has to support this, taking an HDMI audio signal that comes into it over the DVI-D connection, not just the graphics card. | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
On November 15 2013 11:20 skyR wrote: No, the better question is why does DVI and VGA still exist. I understand your saying HDMI is better than DVI now, but what about the audio part where i asked? was i wrong on that? | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On November 15 2013 19:17 IMKR wrote: I understand your saying HDMI is better than DVI now, but what about the audio part where i asked? was i wrong on that? This is how the relevant configuration settings look like for my card: http://i.imgur.com/OT3c9t2.png | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On November 15 2013 18:35 Adtor wrote: Thanks Ata for the build. I guess this thread really enlightened me on what is truly required. I'll be doing my shopping next weekend and hopefully catch great deals. So if I understand correctly, a graphic card bigger than 2gb is only required for a bigger resolution than 1920x1080. And it will run any game at full so no need to invest in a 3gb to be ''safe'' right? And I also thought that RAM is the most important resource. Like if I want to play an MMO at full setting, 8gb is plenty? I shouldn't double it to make sure it runs smoothly all the time? I guess the internet connection is most important not to lag on raids I guess. It just all makes me realize how clueless I was about it all. RAM is the least important resource in gaming as nearly all games are 32-bit so they are limited to 2GB of RAM. Unused RAM is useless RAM. Battlefield 4 and Star Citizen are the only games that come to mind that are 64-bit. And even than, 8GB should be enough. If you want to play the latest AAA titles, you'll want more than 3GB or more VRAM even at 1080p. Lag is a network issue so yes it would be dependent on your internet connection. If you're talking about maintaining a playable FPS than it would come down to mostly the CPU in large scale raids. | ||
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Ata
Canada356 Posts
On November 15 2013 15:00 skyR wrote: Not sure if you have your eyes set on the Galaxy Tab but the 2013 Nexus 7 could be had from shop.ca for like $150 a week or two ago. Not sure if it's still going or it's been sold out. I realize it might just be me who has had issues with shop.ca but there is no question that their customer service is beyond garbage. (calling them takes you to voicemail....) | ||
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Ata
Canada356 Posts
On November 15 2013 18:35 Adtor wrote: Thanks Ata for the build. I guess this thread really enlightened me on what is truly required. I'll be doing my shopping next weekend and hopefully catch great deals. So if I understand correctly, a graphic card bigger than 2gb is only required for a bigger resolution than 1920x1080. And it will run any game at full so no need to invest in a 3gb to be ''safe'' right? And I also thought that RAM is the most important resource. Like if I want to play an MMO at full setting, 8gb is plenty? I shouldn't double it to make sure it runs smoothly all the time? I guess the internet connection is most important not to lag on raids I guess. It just all makes me realize how clueless I was about it all. What Sky said. The build i throw at you was put together in a rush, so you can probably find better deals and etc. I personally love these things and if you do as well, then I recommend taking your time and understanding a little bit more about different components. Dont expect to land amazing deals on blackfriday/etc as you need to know what the good deals are and order right away (there is no time to double check with people on forums), and even at that you need to get lucky as things are gone real fast. I also live in Montreal and Ill be happy to help you with any questions you might have (building or purchasing). | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
Next gen will have 3 or 4gb VRAM on mainstream i think | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On November 15 2013 16:18 Rollin wrote: I can assure you that my monitor cost more and is better than yours, and yet it requires a dual-link DVI connector. I was especially talking about VGA. My monitor cost less than €90. 1080p though and it looks all right. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130916 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125479 | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On November 16 2013 02:34 Incognoto wrote: I think a DVI/VGA adapter is like €2 though, not to mention that both the 290 and the 780 seem to have the same outputs? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130916 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125479 On the Radeon card you linked, the specifications say it has 2x DVI-D. The EVGA card has 1x DVI-I, 1x DVI-D. Those VGA adapters should only work on DVI-I because that can be both analog and digital. I assume that €2 adapter can only be that cheap because the analog DVI signal is the same as the VGA signal. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On November 16 2013 02:34 Incognoto wrote: I think a DVI/VGA adapter is like €2 though, not to mention that both the 290 and the 780 seem to have the same outputs? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130916 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125479 Take a closer look at the bottom DVI port on the GTX 780 you linked and the R9 290 you linked. Actually, here: + Show Spoiler [image] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UM2e5xJ.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/szuWGvp.jpg) (ugh, why do people save stuff like this as .jpg?) edit: slow because of image uploads! | ||
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CrankOut
187 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
7970's may still be available for similar price (it's same as "old" 280x, anyway..) or another similar GPU. Some 290's seem to be unlocking into 290x's which is pretty insane price:performance | ||
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