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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20325 Posts
On November 15 2013 02:30 Ropid wrote: I don't know... does that ever make sense? Can't you just always buy a normal, stronger card? Even if you save some money through their idea, you'll avoid any SLI headaches by paying more for a normal card. The increased performance might just end up being something theoretical, and in practice a single card should always be better regarding issues like weird stutter problems and how the mouse input feels regarding latency. It'll be priced between the 770 and the 780, or it won't make any sense. It's gk104 just like the 770, with 25% of the cores disabled on each die. On November 15 2013 02:58 ACrow wrote: What's the difference between HD7870 and R9 270X cards? I understand that the underlying chip is the same and that R9 270X are a newer rebranding, but do they offer anything more than the older HD7870s? I'm asking because the HD7870s are ~20€ cheaper than the R9 270X, which I found somewhat suspicious. Thanks in advance! They seem pretty much the same, maybe a minor difference or two. I don't know those GPU's super well, but prices change a lot and when the 280x came in for example, it was ~25% more expensive here for a worse 280x than the 7970's available | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 14 2013 15:27 iTzSnypah wrote: He should at least get a PSU with 2x 6/8pin connectors. For future GPU's sake. 650 Ti Boost came out after the 7790 (Bonaire) which came out an the tail end of HD7000. Hell, GK106 (GTX 660, 650 Ti) came out after Pitcarn (7870/7850). By that logic you should have bought a dual-core i5 instead of your i7 when you did. Tbh I'm still regretting getting the 920. I could jave gotten the quad core i5's. Hyperthreading was such an expensive extra feature upon getting the 920. That's why I advocate for more money spent on gpu. :/ | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20325 Posts
that CPU is over kill. My old i7 920 plays it on ultra, just fine. I would really like to show you the kind of performance differences we can be talking about, if you want to pm me and hop on eu for shared replay sometime  In your case - quad core i5 would have absolutely been a better buy, but in his - if we get less than i5, you're talking about dual core haswell, which isn't too capable these days for most tasks.. or FX, which is terrible for sc2. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On November 15 2013 02:58 ACrow wrote: What's the difference between HD7870 and R9 270X cards? I understand that the underlying chip is the same and that R9 270X are a newer rebranding, but do they offer anything more than the older HD7870s? I'm asking because the HD7870s are ~20€ cheaper than the R9 270X, which I found somewhat suspicious. Thanks in advance! On launches, stock of old cards are almost always the better values. R9 270X has a higher base memory clock, a little more advanced clocks / power / temp management (higher peak clock available), and a different video output ports configuration. I think it also gets the 3-monitor no-DP on certain configurations feature as well...? Not sure. I think that's the difference. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
I find it weird that something that simple is being reported wrong? Unless it's because both chipsets are on the same PCB, so VRAM and stuff might be able to be connected in a way that it's additive, unlike true SLI. Maybe that would also fix the inconviences of going for dual mid-end GPUs instead of one powerful GPU (thinking of micro stuttering especially, the card should still be power hungry). yes, i read this idea on oc.net but no one answered the guy Edit: Actually come to think of it, there are versions of the 770 with 4 Gb of VRAM. Maybe they'll do the same thing with this card. Memory bus would still be 256 bit right? If priced right this card could be interesting. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On November 15 2013 05:18 Incognoto wrote: VRAM isn't additive and neither is memory bus. I find it weird that something that simple is being reported wrong? Unless it's because both chipsets are on the same PCB, so VRAM and stuff might be able to be connected in a way that it's additive, unlike true SLI. Maybe that would also fix the inconviences of going for dual mid-end GPUs instead of one powerful GPU (thinking of micro stuttering especially, the card should still be power hungry). yes, i read this idea on oc.net but no one answered the guy Edit: Actually come to think of it, there are versions of the 770 with 4 Gb of VRAM. Maybe they'll do the same thing with this card. Memory bus would still be 256 bit right? If priced right this card could be interesting. The problem is taking a specs table from an unofficial source / rumors seriously. There could be 4 GB of VRAM per GPU, but it's most likely 2 GB of VRAM per GPU (which has a 256-bit memory bus each). | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20325 Posts
the card should still be power hungry 2304 cuda cores on a pair of dies @1.2v would use way less power than 2880 cuda cores on a single die running @1.3v (air 780ti) so it's not a fatal flaw or anything. SLI is actually pretty decent, just not ideal, and i wouldn't want it with 2gb of VRAM | ||
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DropTester
Australia608 Posts
regarding the psu, I currently have an antec earthwatts 650w that I bought a few years back. I assumed it would be sufficient for this build. Also I'm leaning the Lian Li First Knight case. I've did some light reading on the 7870 and it seems to compete/ is better than the gtx660 at stock, not sure what the difference is like after overclocking though. I'm also not too sure what powercolor is like, is there generally not much difference between them and the bigger name vendors? @incognoto lol the selection available in Australia is pretty limited for everything | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
and how do you know if a GPU has one? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20325 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On November 15 2013 07:10 DropTester wrote: Thanks everyone for the help, learning a lot from this thread regarding the psu, I currently have an antec earthwatts 650w that I bought a few years back. I assumed it would be sufficient for this build. Also I'm leaning the Lian Li First Knight case. I've did some light reading on the 7870 and it seems to compete/ is better than the gtx660 at stock, not sure what the difference is like after overclocking though. I'm also not too sure what powercolor is like, is there generally not much difference between them and the bigger name vendors? @incognoto lol the selection available in Australia is pretty limited for everything Earthwatts is fine. Powercolor is another one of those Taiwanese companies (that's not that big). They do AMD graphics cards often with pretty reference or fairly standard board and cooler designs. Nothing too special. Some models are better than others, but they're never the best at anything except sometimes lower cost. I have no idea what their service / RMA process is like for AUS. If you care about noise levels or overclocking a lot, you probably want something else. On November 15 2013 07:10 IMKR wrote: whats VRM cooling in regards to GPUs?? and how do you know if a GPU has one? The voltage regulation modules on the graphics card PCB take in the +12V from the power connectors and do step-down DC-DC power conversion to the voltage the GPU chip itself uses to run (e.g. 1.2 V). There's a separate one and a different voltage for the video RAM. It's similar to what you see on motherboards for the CPU and main system memory. The process is lossy; wasted power becomes heat. The switching transistors in the VRMs get hot and need some cooling. In graphics cards the hot components of the VRMs sit under some heatsink that hopefully gets some indirect airflow from the fan. If a graphics card uses 200W, about say... 10-20W of it might be in losses in the VRMs (general ballpark or so)? It really depends on their configuration and design, components used. So all of them have one. | ||
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Adtor
Canada82 Posts
What is your budget? <1500$ What is your monitor's native resolution? I will buy a 1920 x 1080. no bigger than 24inches What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? I am looking forward to EQ Next and hoping to run it at its best if possible; maybe another MMO until so. Beside that, upcoming Dragon Age. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Beside gaming, any normal use. Do you intend to overclock? Mayyyyyybe if I am comfortable with how to do that. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? Depends, how better is it to have 2 cheap video cards vs 1 powerful one? Do any game use or plan to use this feature to it's fullest?? Do you need an operating system? I have a laptop that came with Win8, can I use the recovery drive? If not, yeah. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? I'll buy a monitor and new speakers on Black Friday, that is aside from the budget. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. No. What country will you be buying your parts in? Living in Quebec, Canada, buying from Canada will lower most costs. If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. No. EDIT: If the sample builds are already accurate, any tips on what to look for with current days prices? What to upgrade first or what not to invest too much in. | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
but if i hook it up with an HDMI there will be sounds? (assuming the monitor has built in speakers of course) however, people say the built in audio is crap and you should buy a speaker set, even a $20 one. if that is true, whats the point of an HDMI in existence if DVI does what HDMI does without sound and your going to buy a pair of speakers anyways? Thx | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Ata
Canada356 Posts
On November 15 2013 08:10 Adtor wrote: So, with Black Friday coming up and my computer running out of steam, I am looking to try and build my own computer for the first time ever, I was directed to this thread for help. So far, just the first page is very informative on understanding what the name of parts mean. However, I am still lost as of where do you stop getting bangs for your bucks. I see motherboards with roughly the same power but the cost range can go to 500$. So here is the form. What is your budget? <1500$ What is your monitor's native resolution? I will buy a 1920 x 1080. no bigger than 24inches What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? I am looking forward to EQ Next and hoping to run it at its best if possible; maybe another MMO until so. Beside that, upcoming Dragon Age. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Beside gaming, any normal use. Do you intend to overclock? Mayyyyyybe if I am comfortable with how to do that. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? Depends, how better is it to have 2 cheap video cards vs 1 powerful one? Do any game use or plan to use this feature to it's fullest?? Do you need an operating system? I have a laptop that came with Win8, can I use the recovery drive? If not, yeah. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? I'll buy a monitor and new speakers on Black Friday, that is aside from the budget. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. No. What country will you be buying your parts in? Living in Quebec, Canada, buying from Canada will lower most costs. If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. No. EDIT: If the sample builds are already accurate, any tips on what to look for with current days prices? What to upgrade first or what not to invest too much in. This should give you an idea for your needs: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H $115-15MIR http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX46024 pricematch with http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=84042&vpn=GA-Z87X-UD3H&manufacture=Gigabyte Intel Core i5-4670K $237.5 http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX45429 pricematch with http://www.ncix.ca/products/?affiliateid=7474144&sku=81327&vpn=BX80646I54670K&manufacture=Intel&promoid=1287 Seagate 600 SSD SATA III, 240GB $160 http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX46062 G.SKILLRipjawsX Series 8GB PC3-17000 2x4 $75 http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX34251 Corsair Carbide Series 200R $45 http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX41599 pricematch with or buy at tigerdirect and get MIR http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4907301&CatId=1509 Noctua NH-U14S ~ $63 (out of stock) http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX45777 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608041&AID=10657534&PID=3938566&SID=&nm_mc=AFC-C8junctionCA CAPSTONE-450 450W $79 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 EVGA GeForce GTX 770 $350-15MIR http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX46144 Windows 8 should cost ~$100 from retailer or you can buy it from ppl online for ~$25 No DVD drive, +~$15, no Harddrive other than SSD, +~$50 for 1TB, ~$90 for 2TB. | ||
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Brett
Australia3822 Posts
On November 15 2013 11:20 skyR wrote: No, the better question is why does DVI and VGA still exist. Have they fixed HDMI to allow 120hz+ output? That used to be a problem, but it was probably 2 years ago that I was reading about it. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
not sure which model he is referring to exactly. Galaxy Tab 2/3 10.1"? My step-mom has a Galaxy S III phone which she loves dearly, she's pretty much been wanting the same thing but bigger for use at home. So preferably Samsung and looking at a 10.1" model that is available in Canada. | ||
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