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On August 02 2012 11:41 HellGreen wrote:Hey Minigun, I'll repeat my offer from your last thread to help you personally. I have a feeling I know what the issue is (input lag) and how to fix it. Feel free to take me up on my offer. As always, I'll keep the thread updated on how/what fixed it.
Ill back you up if you can "fix" mine.
Xsplit stutters everything the moment I open xsplit up. Not even streaming yet, just having the preview out will cause my FPS to take an 80 percent slide at times and when it doesnt its a very jittery feeling.
Retail Xsplit.
Gamesource. Without Gamesource.
i5-2500k @ 4.0
7970
8gb 1600 RAM
Aero disabled.
1680*1050
Tested over several versions of Xsplit, and several AMD drivers.
10 up and 10 down
Stream settings are irrelevant and have no impact. Problem is ameliorated when the view is set to 2 FPS, or sometimes really low resolutions.
You told someone you got their stream working better than the hardware even allows it to go, somehow. Lets see this in action.
Using the info in your thread, I tried similar settings. But the settings dont actually seem to matter.
http://www.twitch.tv/medrea/b/327092023
Ive tried all sorts of settings and the result is always this complete mess you see here. I used FMLE as well and the in game stuttering goes away, but the streaming mess is still there. Is there something Im missing here? This is regardless of dropped frames or not as well. But none of this even matters because the problems are there before I even start streaming.
Im all for good functioning streams but so far all I see from myself and friends IRL is a mess for anyone who has a competitive heart. If you want to take this to PM's thats cool by me. But I don't really like it when people throw out inaccurate or unclarified numbers, its bad form. I've eaten big pieces of humble pie before and I have no problem with it. But I've gotten like 10 people telling me they have a smooth streaming performance and then i visit them IRL, witness and point out all the stutteriness, and then get told "well it doesnt bother me."
Ok I might have projected there a bit.
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Pretty sure the 7970 support is still glitchy. That's probably your problem.
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something that I noticed as well when I streamed was that I would have around 100 fps but whenever I would spam hotkeys and highlight workers the fps would drop to like 90 and continue to jump between 80-100 throughout the game. just turn on vsync and you will be fine.
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On August 02 2012 14:16 R1CH wrote:
Pretty sure the 7970 support is still glitchy. That's probably your problem.
Tested on 5830's, 5850's, 5870's, 5770's, 9800 GT's. 260's, 285's.
I can keep going if you want. Its the same shit with all of them.
You could say I own a COUPLE of graphics cards. If ALL of these products still have problems with Xsplit. It stops becoming my problem.
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On August 02 2012 14:16 R1CH wrote:
Pretty sure the 7970 support is still glitchy. That's probably your problem.
It actually is. Frame drops were an issue before. Even now, there's a bug with XSplit and AMD Radeon HD 7xxx series cards in which after a few minutes of streaming, the screen goes white and XSplit crashes, dropping your stream. Even though in the XSplit community they came up with a fix with a non authorized driver mod, the frame drops are still an issue, even worse than before, I'd dare saying, when using screen region or even DXtory.
And I can second all the claims in this thread about the massive fps drops.
My system:
i7 2600k OC'd @ 4.4Ghz w/Corsair H80 watercooler
16GB RAM
XFX Radeon HD 7850 x 2 @Crossfire
MoBo MSI Z68AGD55
1000w Corsair PSU
Windows 7
I don't know what's going on, but streaming is pretty jerky now 
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On August 02 2012 15:26 LgNKami wrote:
something that I noticed as well when I streamed was that I would have around 100 fps but whenever I would spam hotkeys and highlight workers the fps would drop to like 90 and continue to jump between 80-100 throughout the game. just turn on vsync and you will be fine.
Vsync delays frames from being displayed after they are rendered to prevent screen tearing etc. The last thing you want as a competitive player
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Vsync doesnt belong with SC2 since you cant run SC2 well over 60 FPS anyway and most of the screen is too static to benefit from vsync anyway.
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I've tried everything suggested so far. Still no luck. Frame rate stays at a constant 120+ fps, but it's jittery to the point where it's extremely hard to play well.
Is there anything I need to upgrade hardware wise?
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Try using DXTory to capture instead, that usually resolves all input lag issues.
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Nothing that will actually change your experience.
You could try a different streaming tool like FMLE (Destiny has a good guide for this) or FFSplit.
If thats still not satisfactory, youll need a capture card and/or second computer to handle the streaming for you.
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On August 06 2012 05:31 Medrea wrote:
Nothing that will actually change your experience.
You could try a different streaming tool like FMLE (Destiny has a good guide for this) or FFSplit.
If thats still not satisfactory, youll need a capture card and/or second computer to handle the streaming for you.
I find it hard to believe that this is normal for other streamers (that don't use a 2nd computer). Therefore something has to be wrong either hardware wise or software....no?
On August 06 2012 05:30 R1CH wrote:
Try using DXTory to capture instead, that usually resolves all input lag issues.
Yep have tried that as well , still jerky
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A lot of people are fine with it.
I use FMLE which for me improves the motion quality of gaming, but unless I gut the quality of the stream I definitely know that i am streaming, even if my framerates are way high.
You just have to learn to live with it or come up with a streaming solution that works. You seem a bit sensitive to motion quality like me and a lot of pro players. So you might want to look into streaming to another computer through VLC like a lot of tournaments do.
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Just for clarity. A lot of people think they need to spend another $1000 on another computer just for streaming but thats actually not the case.
Lots of people just use a laptop that handles the streaming for them and the results are pretty good actually, and it keeps the players experience sacred. And the only thing the other computer even needs is CPU afaik. You dont need a top of the line GPU, PSU, RAM, or even mobo if I am not mistaken.
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On August 06 2012 05:54 Medrea wrote:
Just for clarity. A lot of people think they need to spend another $1000 on another computer just for streaming but thats actually not the case.
Lots of people just use a laptop that handles the streaming for them and the results are pretty good actually, and it keeps the players experience sacred. And the only thing the other computer even needs is CPU afaik. You dont need a top of the line GPU, PSU, RAM, or even mobo if I am not mistaken.
How do you do this? I tried to search for it but apparently I'm bad with google searches and couldn't find anything.
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Search for "streaming via VLC"
Youll get tips on streaming from a file and then also there are tips for streaming via an output but both are from to a second computer.
This is really popular for people with mobile devices that want to remote access something they have at home.
But it is obviously harder to get it running right.
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On August 06 2012 05:38 coL.Minigun wrote:Yep have tried that as well , still jerky
Make sure you deleted all the screen regions when trying dxtory, even if they are disabled they will still use resources. If DXTory doesn't help then it's most likely a bad interaction with xsplit and unstable drivers for your video card. Try switching video cards if you can to one that's better supported.
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Better supported than a 560ti?
0.0
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Got the same problem, almost identical setup but i got a ATI HD6870. Got same fps aswell. I started getting this program around the time full version was released... Its gone to that point where i cant stream anymore...
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On August 06 2012 09:10 R1CH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 05:38 coL.Minigun wrote:Yep have tried that as well , still jerky Make sure you deleted all the screen regions when trying dxtory, even if they are disabled they will still use resources. If DXTory doesn't help then it's most likely a bad interaction with xsplit and unstable drivers for your video card. Try switching video cards if you can to one that's better supported.
yeah I deleted them all
Yeah at this point that's the only possible problem that it could be. I'm kinda at a loss of at what else it could be.
I REALLY don't think it's just me being sensitive to the jitteryness. If they are dealing with the same amount, they wouldn't be streaming ><
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