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On August 11 2012 15:25 coL.Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 13:08 eyehesitate wrote:
Did you try xsplit with another game?
Using fraps is less intensive than using xsplit...but is still pretty intensive. To be honest, there is probably some very small issue somewhere...but it can be like finding a needle in a haystack. If you have the time, you could try re-installing sc2...
Before buying new hardware...the easiest, yet time consuming, thing to do is reformat your drive. I mean if that doesn't fix it, there is a hardware issue/conflict.
Also, xsplit is sketchy to the point that having something that runs off of flash (say a twitch stream) running in the background while streaming can cause performance issues.
With your hardware, as I have said many times, you shouldn't feel a damn thing when streaming. Yes, fps will drop from your normal, but you shouldn't feel annnnything.
My advice is to re-install shit... reformat windows if you have to (since you say your entire system feels slow - it shouldn't btw). If you do all that and you still have issues... something isn't tickin' right with your hardware. Hope you figure it out, bro. Btw...try streaming on a friend's rig if you can. You could be just really picky (seriously doubt it though).
P.S. I need to stress that you shouldn't feel anything at all while streaming sc2 with the mentioned settings. It is very well possible, however, that you would feel some jitter while streaming something like gta4 (even on low)..at least I do.
nothing else is running in the background and yeah I just tried a reformat, same issues mmm so where do i start to try and troubleshoot this
PM Hellgreen
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On August 11 2012 15:58 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:25 coL.Minigun wrote:On August 11 2012 13:08 eyehesitate wrote:
Did you try xsplit with another game?
Using fraps is less intensive than using xsplit...but is still pretty intensive. To be honest, there is probably some very small issue somewhere...but it can be like finding a needle in a haystack. If you have the time, you could try re-installing sc2...
Before buying new hardware...the easiest, yet time consuming, thing to do is reformat your drive. I mean if that doesn't fix it, there is a hardware issue/conflict.
Also, xsplit is sketchy to the point that having something that runs off of flash (say a twitch stream) running in the background while streaming can cause performance issues.
With your hardware, as I have said many times, you shouldn't feel a damn thing when streaming. Yes, fps will drop from your normal, but you shouldn't feel annnnything.
My advice is to re-install shit... reformat windows if you have to (since you say your entire system feels slow - it shouldn't btw). If you do all that and you still have issues... something isn't tickin' right with your hardware. Hope you figure it out, bro. Btw...try streaming on a friend's rig if you can. You could be just really picky (seriously doubt it though).
P.S. I need to stress that you shouldn't feel anything at all while streaming sc2 with the mentioned settings. It is very well possible, however, that you would feel some jitter while streaming something like gta4 (even on low)..at least I do.
nothing else is running in the background and yeah I just tried a reformat, same issues mmm so where do i start to try and troubleshoot this PM Hellgreen
yep done
btw I did an intel burn test and im getting really really low gflops if that matters (~30)...
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gflops are dependant on things like ram aswell.
I have to say though, i had the exact same problem with xsplit as you, and i spent a lot of time trying to fix it. But i just
had to realise that xsplit and my pc didnt get along very well. I can stream 1080p with no jitter or jelly feel to my game in
both FMLE and FFsplit. Both are a lot better when it comes to the performance of the game you're playing. Test them,
at the very least it will confirm if there is a problem with xsplit or your hardware.
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I have almost same problem.
Xsplit closed: 300ish fps
Xsplit open (no stream) : 210-230 fps
Xsplit streaming: 130-150 fps
Why do i lose 70 freaking FPS by just opening Xsplit?
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Because of things like the preview window?  Especially if you did not turn it down to 10%
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@nucleartv
the drop in fps is normal... However the jitter feeling is not.
130-150fps feels no different than 50-60fps, imo.
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On August 11 2012 19:41 Qiw wrote:
gflops are dependant on things like ram aswell.
I have to say though, i had the exact same problem with xsplit as you, and i spent a lot of time trying to fix it. But i just
had to realise that xsplit and my pc didnt get along very well. I can stream 1080p with no jitter or jelly feel to my game in
both FMLE and FFsplit. Both are a lot better when it comes to the performance of the game you're playing. Test them,
at the very least it will confirm if there is a problem with xsplit or your hardware.
from what I've read gflops in the ~30's are basically unheard of from my cpu. So could the ram be bottling the speed? or?...
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On August 12 2012 04:48 coL.Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 19:41 Qiw wrote:
gflops are dependant on things like ram aswell.
I have to say though, i had the exact same problem with xsplit as you, and i spent a lot of time trying to fix it. But i just
had to realise that xsplit and my pc didnt get along very well. I can stream 1080p with no jitter or jelly feel to my game in
both FMLE and FFsplit. Both are a lot better when it comes to the performance of the game you're playing. Test them,
at the very least it will confirm if there is a problem with xsplit or your hardware. from what I've read gflops in the ~30's are basically unheard of from my cpu. So could the ram be bottling the speed? or?...
Well regarding gflops people put one stick of 2gig ram or so to make their gflop count better. but a that low gflop count is a bit strange i guess. I'm not very experienced when it comes to the cpu you are using. But the game itself runs fine which makes me thing gflop count and stuff unrelated to xsplit are not an issue.. unless you have issues with other games?
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On August 12 2012 05:25 Qiw wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2012 04:48 coL.Minigun wrote:On August 11 2012 19:41 Qiw wrote:
gflops are dependant on things like ram aswell.
I have to say though, i had the exact same problem with xsplit as you, and i spent a lot of time trying to fix it. But i just
had to realise that xsplit and my pc didnt get along very well. I can stream 1080p with no jitter or jelly feel to my game in
both FMLE and FFsplit. Both are a lot better when it comes to the performance of the game you're playing. Test them,
at the very least it will confirm if there is a problem with xsplit or your hardware. from what I've read gflops in the ~30's are basically unheard of from my cpu. So could the ram be bottling the speed? or?... Well regarding gflops people put one stick of 2gig ram or so to make their gflop count better. but a that low gflop count is a bit strange i guess. I'm not very experienced when it comes to the cpu you are using. But the game itself runs fine which makes me thing gflop count and stuff unrelated to xsplit are not an issue.. unless you have issues with other games?
I honestly don't play any other games. or have any other ones installed for that matter
I tried ff split, lags even worse than xsplit does.
guess its more of a hardware issue?
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Starting to sound that way.
Trying removing a stick of ram and then streaming... quick way to figure out if you have a bad stick... if no change... do the same method to check your other sticks.
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On August 12 2012 05:51 coL.Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2012 05:25 Qiw wrote:On August 12 2012 04:48 coL.Minigun wrote:On August 11 2012 19:41 Qiw wrote:
gflops are dependant on things like ram aswell.
I have to say though, i had the exact same problem with xsplit as you, and i spent a lot of time trying to fix it. But i just
had to realise that xsplit and my pc didnt get along very well. I can stream 1080p with no jitter or jelly feel to my game in
both FMLE and FFsplit. Both are a lot better when it comes to the performance of the game you're playing. Test them,
at the very least it will confirm if there is a problem with xsplit or your hardware. from what I've read gflops in the ~30's are basically unheard of from my cpu. So could the ram be bottling the speed? or?... Well regarding gflops people put one stick of 2gig ram or so to make their gflop count better. but a that low gflop count is a bit strange i guess. I'm not very experienced when it comes to the cpu you are using. But the game itself runs fine which makes me thing gflop count and stuff unrelated to xsplit are not an issue.. unless you have issues with other games? I honestly don't play any other games. or have any other ones installed for that matter I tried ff split, lags even worse than xsplit does. guess its more of a hardware issue?
Yeah that sounds more like a hardware issue. I would slowly go through your hardware starting with your ram sticks. This test is a really good and failsafe way to diagnose ram. http://www.memtest86.com/ . You can just run it with all sticks installed, if it notices any problems i would run the test for each individual ram stick.
I would also run http://files.extremeoverclocking.com/file.php?f=205 (prime 95) to look for potential heat issues or general issues with your cpu.
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ran prime 95 for a bit...no errors
cpu temps don't go over 55c max load
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next step?
so....if i keep my xsplit on my main monitor instead of my 2nd one...I gain 10 fps...which kinda helps..., but still looking for a better solution...
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Somewhat new symptom...this morning I couldn't get computer to give a video signal. had to switch video card slots on the motherboard...maybe random but could this point towards the motherboard?
also....a few times it's gotten the "choppy" feeling, without xsplit even being open, only sc2 and say a background stream...although the fps is still 250+ but it loses the smooth feeling for 3-4 seconds, returns to normal, then gets choppy again for a few seconds, returns to normal...etc...
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Not really sure how teamliquid feels about bumping, but it's pretty far down, and I have one last question...
I've decided it must be hardware related, either CPU or motherboard.
This is what it looks like while it's micro stuttering with 60+ fps
http://i.imgur.com/cvfZ0.png
http://i.imgur.com/z7JJD.png
Is there a way to tell if it's the CPU or motherboard? Or is the easiest route just to buy a new one of each from amazon/newegg, and return either the cpu or motherboard depending on which fixes it?
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What did Hellgreen have to say?
The task manager graph doesnt have the resolution to tell you about a stuttering problem. And the task manager itself doesnt mean anything unless its on a separate screen since alt tabbing affects whats going on.
also....a few times it's gotten the "choppy" feeling, without xsplit even being open, only sc2 and say a background stream...although the fps is still 250+ but it loses the smooth feeling for 3-4 seconds, returns to normal, then gets choppy again for a few seconds, returns to normal...etc...
I dont know about this though. Either way a motherboard shouldnt cause a choppiness issue. Motherboard issues are usually very severe, its either fine or nothing is working. This almost sounds like temperatures but your CPU temps are fine and your GPU temps are probably also fine.
I dunno, this might be just your awareness of what not having vsync is like. Are you moving the screen around a lot, and then noticing the stuttering that way? Or is this something that even affects basic micro?
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I had a similar issue where Dota2 was reporting 120 FPS but it felt like 30. I don't remember what I ended up doing to fix it (although it lowered my framerate to 45 and it felt like 45) I think I messed with antialiasing and also GPU settings somewhat. PSO2 for example, if I set my GPU's AA to 16x hits 1fps if I have motion blur enabled AND am streaming. I'm sure theres somethign weird going on like that.
It was some combination of gamesource/enabling experimental optimization/affinities/aero/game priority set to High/GPU settings that ended up fixing it.
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Not sure if this has been said already but If you go into the nvidia control panel and enable triple buffering and adaptive vsync. It seems to help some.
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On August 24 2012 03:23 Nabutso wrote:
I had a similar issue where Dota2 was reporting 120 FPS but it felt like 30. I don't remember what I ended up doing to fix it (although it lowered my framerate to 45 and it felt like 45) I think I messed with antialiasing and also GPU settings somewhat. PSO2 for example, if I set my GPU's AA to 16x hits 1fps if I have motion blur enabled AND am streaming. I'm sure theres somethign weird going on like that.
It was some combination of gamesource/enabling experimental optimization/affinities/aero/game priority set to High/GPU settings that ended up fixing it.
hmmm
On August 24 2012 03:29 Zushen wrote:
Not sure if this has been said already but If you go into the nvidia control panel and enable triple buffering and adaptive vsync. It seems to help some.
I'll give it a try
On August 24 2012 03:17 Medrea wrote:What did Hellgreen have to say? The task manager graph doesnt have the resolution to tell you about a stuttering problem. And the task manager itself doesnt mean anything unless its on a separate screen since alt tabbing affects whats going on. Show nested quote +also....a few times it's gotten the "choppy" feeling, without xsplit even being open, only sc2 and say a background stream...although the fps is still 250+ but it loses the smooth feeling for 3-4 seconds, returns to normal, then gets choppy again for a few seconds, returns to normal...etc... I dont know about this though. Either way a motherboard shouldnt cause a choppiness issue. Motherboard issues are usually very severe, its either fine or nothing is working. This almost sounds like temperatures but your CPU temps are fine and your GPU temps are probably also fine. I dunno, this might be just your awareness of what not having vsync is like. Are you moving the screen around a lot, and then noticing the stuttering that way? Or is this something that even affects basic micro?
It is on a seperate screen. The temps are fine though or I'd agree ><, gpu temps are ~70c under full load, maybe slightly on the hot side.
I can recreate the "microstutter" without using xsplit. If I have say a music video AND another stream running in the background, while sc2 is loaded I'll get the microstutter for 3-4 seconds...it goes away, then comes back, then goes away, and so on....all while having 250+ fps still.
Also...if I take out one stick of ram....and only put say 1 stream on in the background while playing sc2...the micro stutter appears....again having 250+ fps
It's very unpleasent to the eyes, and yes it does make microing harder as well, everything is sluggish.
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Right click on a flash video, stream, youtube video, whatever.
Mouse over and hit settings.
Is hardware acceleration enabled or disabled? Because I would try whatever it currently isnt.
Sounds like adobe flash is taking you for a ride. Flash isnt really supported anymore. Not even adobe supports adobe flash really. I dont know why we are removing RA though.
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On August 24 2012 03:37 Medrea wrote:
Right click on a flash video, stream, youtube video, whatever.
Mouse over and hit settings.
Is hardware acceleration enabled or disabled? Because I would try whatever it currently isnt.
it was enabled...I turned it off, seems to be better? really hard to tell it's kinda random sometimes
xsplit still lags like hell though
oh yeah, before I couldn't even get 60 fps while running one stream in the background in League of legends ill try now
ra?
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