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Fps ingame with xsplit closed = 300fps
fps ingame with xsplit open ( not streaming) ~220 fps
fps ingame with xsplit open and streaming ~ 110 ( feels "jittery" no longer smooth)
8 gb ram
i7 2600k overclocked to 4.5k
gtx 560 ti
p8p67 asus motherboard
900 w corsair power supply
windows 7
msi afterburner shows gpu usage is never over 50-60%
task manager cpu threads never get above 60%
cpu temp ~ 50 degrees under load
~30 idol
xsplit settings : http://imgur.com/mrTi3
I'm at a loss on what this could be. I understand streaming will give you a hit in fps, but I feel like I should be able to run it on low and at least get the smooth feeling.
Any ideas?
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Have you tried dropping the video bitrate down to 800-1000 range instead of 1300? Also, at 110 FPS in-game, you shouldn't be seeing ANY jitteriness, since the human eye can only view the world at 30 FPS roughly -- unless you're saying the frames are dropping more on the stream...?
Can you also tell us what your upload speed is? You can figure it out at places like speedtest.com.
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On August 02 2012 05:32 Nevermore214 wrote:
Have you tried dropping the video bitrate down to 800-1000 range instead of 1300? Also, at 110 FPS in-game, you shouldn't be seeing ANY jitteriness, since the human eye can only view the world at 30 FPS roughly -- unless you're saying the frames are dropping more on the stream...?
Can you also tell us what your upload speed is? You can figure it out at places like speedtest.com.
upload is 1.5m
bitrate doesnt change anything
there is 100% jitteryness to it, as soon as I turn on the stream it loses the smoothness it had before
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Are you running the game in full screen or windowed mode?
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1.5 mbps? Yeah, you need to lower it (the bitrate) down more, I think. Especially if you share your connection with at least one other person where you live/work/use your computer. You may also want to set your quality as well.
Something that I've noticed when I use XSplit to display SC2 directly is that it will lower my FPS as well. Sometimes this won't happen, sometimes it will, but a work-around I've seen is to use Screen Region instead of SC2, and when I alt-tab when streaming I just hit a Scene hotkey to put up a splash. Have you tried that?
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On August 02 2012 06:13 Nevermore214 wrote:
1.5 mbps? Yeah, you need to lower it (the bitrate) down more, I think. Especially if you share your connection with at least one other person where you live/work/use your computer. You may also want to set your quality as well.
Something that I've noticed when I use XSplit to display SC2 directly is that it will lower my FPS as well. Sometimes this won't happen, sometimes it will, but a work-around I've seen is to use Screen Region instead of SC2, and when I alt-tab when streaming I just hit a Scene hotkey to put up a splash. Have you tried that?
Ok I lowered it some. and put quality at 7
I am currently using screen region to stream sc2
On August 02 2012 06:10 Whitewing wrote:
Are you running the game in full screen or windowed mode?
windowed fullscreen
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Changing bitrate wont do a thing for video performance and "quality" is just a simpler way of using CRF, which changes encoding quality but again shouldnt affect CPU usage or video performance
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On August 02 2012 06:46 Cyro wrote:
Changing bitrate wont do a thing for video performance and "quality" is just a simpler way of using CRF, which changes encoding quality but again shouldnt affect CPU usage or video performance
yea I didn't think it would but at this point i'd try just about anything
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Values look good. Don't see a problem.
Xsplit causes stuttering. Thats what it does. Your using the same processor for two things at the same time, one of them only uses 2 cores.
GPU usage is capped because neither SC2 or Xsplit are very GPU demanding.
CPU usage looks fine because SC2 only uses 2 of your theoretical 8 cores, so thats 25 percent max. The other 35 looks fine to me as well because Xsplit caps out at 4 cores until dimishing returns per core.
What you can try to do is force SC2 to use only 2 physical cores. Giving Xsplit the other 2 physical cores and all 4 non physical logical cores.
If you are the sensitive type. You'll never really get it smooth. If you want a smooth streaming experience, you will need to do what tournaments do, which is to procure a capture card, or stream to a second computer over LAN (typically with VLC) which then handles the encoding for you.
You can also make sure you are using game source, as that gives you the best bet in the fight against stutter.
Otherwise, you may have to make sacrifices. I have a similar setup and I start to get a smooth experience if I reduce my stream FPS to about 2. Sometimes up to 5 FPS. Neither are really acceptable to viewers of course.
Once again, if you arent sensitive, its possible to get a streaming experience thats good enough (non sensitive people always use that term "good enough" to explain problems to other people).
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On August 02 2012 06:57 Medrea wrote:
Values look good. Don't see a problem.
Xsplit causes stuttering. Thats what it does. Your using the same processor for two things at the same time, one of them only uses 2 cores.
GPU usage is capped because neither SC2 or Xsplit are very GPU demanding.
CPU usage looks fine because SC2 only uses 2 of your theoretical 8 cores, so thats 25 percent max. The other 35 looks fine to me as well because Xsplit caps out at 4 cores until dimishing returns per core.
What you can try to do is force SC2 to use only 2 physical cores. Giving Xsplit the other 2 physical cores and all 4 non physical logical cores.
If you are the sensitive type. You'll never really get it smooth. If you want a smooth streaming experience, you will need to do what tournaments do, which is to procure a capture card, or stream to a second computer over LAN (typically with VLC) which then handles the encoding for you.
You can also make sure you are using game source, as that gives you the best bet in the fight against stutter.
Otherwise, you may have to make sacrifices. I have a similar setup and I start to get a smooth experience if I reduce my stream FPS to about 2. Sometimes up to 5 FPS. Neither are really acceptable to viewers of course.
Once again, if you arent sensitive, its possible to get a streaming experience thats good enough (non sensitive people always use that term "good enough" to explain problems to other people).
ugh, that's really disappointing my machine may not be tip top notch, but was hoping I could at least get a smooth experience on conservative settings.
I've tried dxdiag gamesource etc etc.....
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Using an i7 950 @3.84ghz (HT off atm) and a gtx580 at the start of this cloud kingdom replay (paused, ladder version, 1920x1080 capture) i get 310fps, with xsplit capturing at 30fps i get ~265, with xsplit capturing at 60fps i get ~215. Mostly low settings, maxed textures, effects, models on high, some variables.txt stuff, but i can encode at 1280x720@60fps at any quality/bitrate i want and hold over 200fps at the start of the game, of course dropping over time etc, but it feels pretty smooth to me. I am really sensitive to latency/stuttering etc but it doesnt run too badly. Performance issues seem to vary a lot between systems. Changing encoding resolution doesnt seem to change the performance hit for me at all unless you drive CPU usage too high (preset,fps,resolution) so encoding at 640x360 or 1920x1080 @ 30fps will feel exactly the same ingame for me, but the resolution of the game multiplied by framerate seems to decide performance results pretty consistently for capturing and playing
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On August 02 2012 10:45 Cyro wrote:
Using an i7 950 @3.84ghz (HT off atm) and a gtx580 at the start of this cloud kingdom replay (paused, ladder version) i get 310fps, with xsplit capturing at 30fps i get ~265, with xsplit capturing at 60fps i get ~215. Mostly low settings, maxed textures, effects, models on high, some variables.txt stuff, but i can encode at 1280x720@60fps at any quality/bitrate i want and hold over 200fps at the start of the game, of course dropping over time etc, but it feels pretty smooth to me. I am really sensitive to latency/stuttering etc but it doesnt run too badly. Performance issues seem to vary a lot between systems
ugh now I'm being taunted :s
that's exactly what I want.
Why can't I have nice things?
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On August 02 2012 10:46 coL.Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 10:45 Cyro wrote:
Using an i7 950 @3.84ghz (HT off atm) and a gtx580 at the start of this cloud kingdom replay (paused, ladder version) i get 310fps, with xsplit capturing at 30fps i get ~265, with xsplit capturing at 60fps i get ~215. Mostly low settings, maxed textures, effects, models on high, some variables.txt stuff, but i can encode at 1280x720@60fps at any quality/bitrate i want and hold over 200fps at the start of the game, of course dropping over time etc, but it feels pretty smooth to me. I am really sensitive to latency/stuttering etc but it doesnt run too badly. Performance issues seem to vary a lot between systems ugh now I'm being taunted :s that's exactly what I want. Why can't I have nice things?
Hey, atleast you live somewhere with more than 600kbit upload. If i stream at 200 i get a noticable latency increase. Im stuck with a bunch of random 720p60 FPVOD's =P
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On August 02 2012 06:57 Medrea wrote:
Values look good. Don't see a problem.
Xsplit causes stuttering. Thats what it does. Your using the same processor for two things at the same time, one of them only uses 2 cores.
GPU usage is capped because neither SC2 or Xsplit are very GPU demanding.
CPU usage looks fine because SC2 only uses 2 of your theoretical 8 cores, so thats 25 percent max. The other 35 looks fine to me as well because Xsplit caps out at 4 cores until dimishing returns per core.
What you can try to do is force SC2 to use only 2 physical cores. Giving Xsplit the other 2 physical cores and all 4 non physical logical cores.
If you are the sensitive type. You'll never really get it smooth. If you want a smooth streaming experience, you will need to do what tournaments do, which is to procure a capture card, or stream to a second computer over LAN (typically with VLC) which then handles the encoding for you.
You can also make sure you are using game source, as that gives you the best bet in the fight against stutter.
Otherwise, you may have to make sacrifices. I have a similar setup and I start to get a smooth experience if I reduce my stream FPS to about 2. Sometimes up to 5 FPS. Neither are really acceptable to viewers of course.
Once again, if you arent sensitive, its possible to get a streaming experience thats good enough (non sensitive people always use that term "good enough" to explain problems to other people).
How do you stream to a second computer over LAN to allow that computer to do the encoding? Any links or anything? Didn't even know it was possible but since I have a laptop right next to me 99% of the time sounds like something I should try.
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On August 02 2012 10:51 Infernal_dream wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 06:57 Medrea wrote:
Values look good. Don't see a problem.
Xsplit causes stuttering. Thats what it does. Your using the same processor for two things at the same time, one of them only uses 2 cores.
GPU usage is capped because neither SC2 or Xsplit are very GPU demanding.
CPU usage looks fine because SC2 only uses 2 of your theoretical 8 cores, so thats 25 percent max. The other 35 looks fine to me as well because Xsplit caps out at 4 cores until dimishing returns per core.
What you can try to do is force SC2 to use only 2 physical cores. Giving Xsplit the other 2 physical cores and all 4 non physical logical cores.
If you are the sensitive type. You'll never really get it smooth. If you want a smooth streaming experience, you will need to do what tournaments do, which is to procure a capture card, or stream to a second computer over LAN (typically with VLC) which then handles the encoding for you.
You can also make sure you are using game source, as that gives you the best bet in the fight against stutter.
Otherwise, you may have to make sacrifices. I have a similar setup and I start to get a smooth experience if I reduce my stream FPS to about 2. Sometimes up to 5 FPS. Neither are really acceptable to viewers of course.
Once again, if you arent sensitive, its possible to get a streaming experience thats good enough (non sensitive people always use that term "good enough" to explain problems to other people). How do you stream to a second computer over LAN to allow that computer to do the encoding? Any links or anything? Didn't even know it was possible but since I have a laptop right next to me 99% of the time sounds like something I should try.
If you dont have a hardware capture method (a capture card or something) you would probably be subject to the same performance hits from taking screen info on software level (I think) even if another computer was doing the encoding. Encoding itself seems to have little effect on performance if you have the right CPU power and settings (for me, atleast) but the capture itself messes everything up
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You guys shouldnt measure things based on looking down at 12 food worth of units on the map. There are a lot more things at work when you are dealing with such high framerates. Like bus speed, memory speed, and all that noise.
If you want a 100 percent clean competing environment. Separate hardware is the way to go. I've done the pro-level thing before. It irritates me to no end, knowing that if I turned my stream off, I could maybe squeeze out 1 entire percent out of my play.
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Try messing with the 'Disable Aero' setting in xsplit. Also don't use game source, and remove any unnecessary screen regions (you should just have one covering your entire desktop).
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Hey Minigun,
I'll repeat my offer from your last thread to help you personally. I have a feeling I know what the issue is (input lag) and how to fix it. Feel free to take me up on my offer.
As always, I'll keep the thread updated on how/what fixed it.
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I had the same issues in streaming also and being from AUS my bit rate is at 1300 i think (not sure at work)
i use xsplit also but i use "DXTORY" Website Home to capture the game as even if i alt tab the game still shows on the game menu so your privacy is kinda kept if you alt tab to your desktop or Facebook etc..
But one interesting thing i found was in the processors.. what you have to do is set the affinity of each program to be on different cores on the CPU.. to lower the GPU
My computer is decent 2yrs old but still pretty fair id say.
> Intel Core i5 750
> MSI GeForce GTX 680 Twin Frozr OC 2GB
> Corsair Vengeance CML16GX3M4A1600C9 16GB (4x4GB) DDR3
> Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD3 Motherboard
> Intel 520 Series 120GB SSD (that runs sc2)
So go to Ctrl - alt - delete (but make sure all your programs are running)
Select sc2 --> Right click "Set Affinity" only tick 2 processors.. it must be 2 otherwise you will lag (your comp may have more cores but it still must be 2 next to each other so 1/2 7/8 not 1/5 etc etc)
Select xsplit --> And repeat above step.
Select (Screen capture software) --> and repeat top steps.
Als make sure that you are running the game in Windowed mode full screen
this increased my frame rate a substantial amount. even with v sync on i get like 30fps in battles and 60 - 100 just in base
so give that a go and see how you go.
Hope it helped 
p.s - if you use dxtory there is a nice guid on youtube that i used to set it up.. im at work atm so i cant list it but PM me if you would like anymore help
Nimbl3
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On August 02 2012 11:41 HellGreen wrote:Hey Minigun, I'll repeat my offer from your last thread to help you personally. I have a feeling I know what the issue is (input lag) and how to fix it. Feel free to take me up on my offer. As always, I'll keep the thread updated on how/what fixed it.
Ill back you up if you can "fix" mine.
Xsplit stutters everything the moment I open xsplit up. Not even streaming yet, just having the preview out will cause my FPS to take an 80 percent slide at times and when it doesnt its a very jittery feeling.
Retail Xsplit.
Gamesource. Without Gamesource.
i5-2500k @ 4.0
7970
8gb 1600 RAM
Aero disabled.
1680*1050
Tested over several versions of Xsplit, and several AMD drivers.
10 up and 10 down
Stream settings are irrelevant and have no impact. Problem is ameliorated when the view is set to 2 FPS, or sometimes really low resolutions.
You told someone you got their stream working better than the hardware even allows it to go, somehow. Lets see this in action.
Using the info in your thread, I tried similar settings. But the settings dont actually seem to matter.
http://www.twitch.tv/medrea/b/327092023
Ive tried all sorts of settings and the result is always this complete mess you see here. I used FMLE as well and the in game stuttering goes away, but the streaming mess is still there. Is there something Im missing here? This is regardless of dropped frames or not as well. But none of this even matters because the problems are there before I even start streaming.
Im all for good functioning streams but so far all I see from myself and friends IRL is a mess for anyone who has a competitive heart. If you want to take this to PM's thats cool by me. But I don't really like it when people throw out inaccurate or unclarified numbers, its bad form. I've eaten big pieces of humble pie before and I have no problem with it. But I've gotten like 10 people telling me they have a smooth streaming performance and then i visit them IRL, witness and point out all the stutteriness, and then get told "well it doesnt bother me."
Ok I might have projected there a bit.
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Pretty sure the 7970 support is still glitchy. That's probably your problem.
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something that I noticed as well when I streamed was that I would have around 100 fps but whenever I would spam hotkeys and highlight workers the fps would drop to like 90 and continue to jump between 80-100 throughout the game. just turn on vsync and you will be fine.
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On August 02 2012 14:16 R1CH wrote:
Pretty sure the 7970 support is still glitchy. That's probably your problem.
Tested on 5830's, 5850's, 5870's, 5770's, 9800 GT's. 260's, 285's.
I can keep going if you want. Its the same shit with all of them.
You could say I own a COUPLE of graphics cards. If ALL of these products still have problems with Xsplit. It stops becoming my problem.
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On August 02 2012 14:16 R1CH wrote:
Pretty sure the 7970 support is still glitchy. That's probably your problem.
It actually is. Frame drops were an issue before. Even now, there's a bug with XSplit and AMD Radeon HD 7xxx series cards in which after a few minutes of streaming, the screen goes white and XSplit crashes, dropping your stream. Even though in the XSplit community they came up with a fix with a non authorized driver mod, the frame drops are still an issue, even worse than before, I'd dare saying, when using screen region or even DXtory.
And I can second all the claims in this thread about the massive fps drops.
My system:
i7 2600k OC'd @ 4.4Ghz w/Corsair H80 watercooler
16GB RAM
XFX Radeon HD 7850 x 2 @Crossfire
MoBo MSI Z68AGD55
1000w Corsair PSU
Windows 7
I don't know what's going on, but streaming is pretty jerky now
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On August 02 2012 15:26 LgNKami wrote:
something that I noticed as well when I streamed was that I would have around 100 fps but whenever I would spam hotkeys and highlight workers the fps would drop to like 90 and continue to jump between 80-100 throughout the game. just turn on vsync and you will be fine.
Vsync delays frames from being displayed after they are rendered to prevent screen tearing etc. The last thing you want as a competitive player
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Vsync doesnt belong with SC2 since you cant run SC2 well over 60 FPS anyway and most of the screen is too static to benefit from vsync anyway.
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I've tried everything suggested so far. Still no luck. Frame rate stays at a constant 120+ fps, but it's jittery to the point where it's extremely hard to play well.
Is there anything I need to upgrade hardware wise?
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Try using DXTory to capture instead, that usually resolves all input lag issues.
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Nothing that will actually change your experience.
You could try a different streaming tool like FMLE (Destiny has a good guide for this) or FFSplit.
If thats still not satisfactory, youll need a capture card and/or second computer to handle the streaming for you.
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On August 06 2012 05:31 Medrea wrote:
Nothing that will actually change your experience.
You could try a different streaming tool like FMLE (Destiny has a good guide for this) or FFSplit.
If thats still not satisfactory, youll need a capture card and/or second computer to handle the streaming for you.
I find it hard to believe that this is normal for other streamers (that don't use a 2nd computer). Therefore something has to be wrong either hardware wise or software....no?
On August 06 2012 05:30 R1CH wrote:
Try using DXTory to capture instead, that usually resolves all input lag issues.
Yep have tried that as well , still jerky
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A lot of people are fine with it.
I use FMLE which for me improves the motion quality of gaming, but unless I gut the quality of the stream I definitely know that i am streaming, even if my framerates are way high.
You just have to learn to live with it or come up with a streaming solution that works. You seem a bit sensitive to motion quality like me and a lot of pro players. So you might want to look into streaming to another computer through VLC like a lot of tournaments do.
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Just for clarity. A lot of people think they need to spend another $1000 on another computer just for streaming but thats actually not the case.
Lots of people just use a laptop that handles the streaming for them and the results are pretty good actually, and it keeps the players experience sacred. And the only thing the other computer even needs is CPU afaik. You dont need a top of the line GPU, PSU, RAM, or even mobo if I am not mistaken.
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On August 06 2012 05:54 Medrea wrote:
Just for clarity. A lot of people think they need to spend another $1000 on another computer just for streaming but thats actually not the case.
Lots of people just use a laptop that handles the streaming for them and the results are pretty good actually, and it keeps the players experience sacred. And the only thing the other computer even needs is CPU afaik. You dont need a top of the line GPU, PSU, RAM, or even mobo if I am not mistaken.
How do you do this? I tried to search for it but apparently I'm bad with google searches and couldn't find anything.
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Search for "streaming via VLC"
Youll get tips on streaming from a file and then also there are tips for streaming via an output but both are from to a second computer.
This is really popular for people with mobile devices that want to remote access something they have at home.
But it is obviously harder to get it running right.
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On August 06 2012 05:38 coL.Minigun wrote:Yep have tried that as well , still jerky
Make sure you deleted all the screen regions when trying dxtory, even if they are disabled they will still use resources. If DXTory doesn't help then it's most likely a bad interaction with xsplit and unstable drivers for your video card. Try switching video cards if you can to one that's better supported.
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Better supported than a 560ti?
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Got the same problem, almost identical setup but i got a ATI HD6870. Got same fps aswell. I started getting this program around the time full version was released... Its gone to that point where i cant stream anymore...
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On August 06 2012 09:10 R1CH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 05:38 coL.Minigun wrote:Yep have tried that as well , still jerky Make sure you deleted all the screen regions when trying dxtory, even if they are disabled they will still use resources. If DXTory doesn't help then it's most likely a bad interaction with xsplit and unstable drivers for your video card. Try switching video cards if you can to one that's better supported.
yeah I deleted them all
Yeah at this point that's the only possible problem that it could be. I'm kinda at a loss of at what else it could be.
I REALLY don't think it's just me being sensitive to the jitteryness. If they are dealing with the same amount, they wouldn't be streaming ><
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Try FMLE or FFsplit then. Come back to Xsplit later if you get an idea.
And if you solve it, come back and tell us how. Neither TL or Xsplit has a high troubleshooting rate when it comes to Xsplit issues like this one.
I was able to minimize the feeling with FMLE but I could never really get rid of it.
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On August 06 2012 10:49 coL.Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 09:10 R1CH wrote:On August 06 2012 05:38 coL.Minigun wrote:Yep have tried that as well , still jerky Make sure you deleted all the screen regions when trying dxtory, even if they are disabled they will still use resources. If DXTory doesn't help then it's most likely a bad interaction with xsplit and unstable drivers for your video card. Try switching video cards if you can to one that's better supported. yeah I deleted them all Yeah at this point that's the only possible problem that it could be. I'm kinda at a loss of at what else it could be. I REALLY don't think it's just me being sensitive to the jitteryness. If they are dealing with the same amount, they wouldn't be streaming ><
You have no idea how much the average gamer doesnt give a fuck about performance
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Its pretty much why you dont see the top players of the game streaming as much as they possibly could.
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Xsplit is so laggy and resource consuming. Just try FFsplit and you will see how smooth streaming COULD be.
Unfortunately theres not enough competition to make a difference. Xsplit just offers way more features beside just pure streaming.
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The thing aboout FFSplit is that at least the majority who tried has reported the program simply stops streaming and you don`t even notice. It`s horrible when that happens and we`ll need to wait a new patch program to see if they can actually fix this bug.
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On August 06 2012 11:22 Medrea wrote:
Neither TL or Xsplit has a high troubleshooting rate when it comes to Xsplit issues like this one.
Well, I have to say I beg to differ. Unless you have read all my posts here and on XSplit's forum, I'd have to say you are wrong. What is your statement based on exactly? Please note, I have not yet actually talked to Minigun
Also, I think it's wrong to say only few top gamers stream.
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Hey,
I have basically the same setup and same Fps. For me sc2 runs really smoothly as long as I am not using any Flashstuff in my browser. Even the extremely buggy TwitchChat caused me some performance issues. Whatever Browser I am using I cannot watch any Stream/Videos etc while streaming. Try to not watch your own stream  .
Best of luck
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Minigun, beside all those settings you have mentioned , the main thing that can cause your symptom is actually the FPS.
I started using Dxtory and it helped me with that problem.
When i set Xsplit fps to like 60fps even when i am not broadcasting, the game was having the same issue as you describe.
It was the same thing Xsplit being set to 30fps when streaming and my gameplay was simply destroyed.
You dont need better PC and you shouldnt buy any hardware upgrades. Its the Xsplit by itself being not well optimized.
Rich have mentioned you to try Dxtory. I suggest you to try it as well as it helped me and a lot more other people in this community.
I have a guide on TL but i am sure u can do it yourself.
Hope it helps.
p.s. Try the FPS thing in Xsplit , start streaming once with 30 dps , than make it 10 (regardless of stream quality) and im 1000% sure u will see that on 10 fps in xsplit ur game will go as smoothly as if you have never been streaming.
EDIT : I forgot to mention this : Bitrates doesnt matter , at least till 5000-6000 bitrates wont matter your symptoms so all those above comments mentioning it to lower it its false.
The biggest impact is the FPS and after that it comes the resolution.
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On August 09 2012 18:55 Nepsilon wrote:
Minigun, beside all those settings you have mentioned , the main thing that can cause your symptom is actually the FPS.
I started using Dxtory and it helped me with that problem.
When i set Xsplit fps to like 60fps even when i am not broadcasting, the game was having the same issue as you describe.
It was the same thing Xsplit being set to 30fps when streaming and my gameplay was simply destroyed.
You dont need better PC and you shouldnt buy any hardware upgrades. Its the Xsplit by itself being not well optimized.
Rich have mentioned you to try Dxtory. I suggest you to try it as well as it helped me and a lot more other people in this community.
I have a guide on TL but i am sure u can do it yourself.
Hope it helps.
p.s. Try the FPS thing in Xsplit , start streaming once with 30 dps , than make it 10 (regardless of stream quality) and im 1000% sure u will see that on 10 fps in xsplit ur game will go as smoothly as if you have never been streaming.
EDIT : I forgot to mention this : Bitrates doesnt matter , at least till 5000-6000 bitrates wont matter your symptoms so all those above comments mentioning it to lower it its false.
The biggest impact is the FPS and after that it comes the resolution.
Capturing at 10fps has less of a performance hit than capturing at 30, thats not news (:
Bitrates doesnt matter , at least till 5000-6000 bitrates wont matter your symptoms so all
Why 5-6k? It wont matter at any bitrate unless you are livestreaming (not local recording) and have either a problem with your internet, or you have bitrate set higher than your upload bandwidth
The biggest impact is the FPS and after that it comes the resolution.
Warning: I dont know lots of shit, a lot of guesswork and random math
IIRC it should be source resolution multiplied by FPS. 1280x720 ("720p") in game setting being captured at 30fps would be 27.648m pixels per second being captured (1280x720x30) whereas 1920x1080 ("1080p") at 60fps would be 124.461m pixels per second captured (1920x1080x60), so a much bigger gap than most people would think. A ~450% gap between running the game at 1280x720 and capturing at 30fps compared to 1920x1080 (very standard) and capturing at 60, which is what the majority of people do i think when they try to play the game and encode at etc 720p60. I think Asus ROG stream was done like that, with the game set to 1280x720 and captured at 60fps, and if you are having issues with performance hits from xsplit, it might not be the worst idea to try running at 1280x720 and capturing at 30. If you are streaming at 720p or lower, your stream quality wont be affected really at all, but AFAIK xsplit needs to capture 2.25x as much data to be able to produce the same stream if your screen/game resolution is at 1920x1080 instead of 1280x720, even if you are only encoding and/or streaming at lower resolutions because your entire screen has to be captured and that is where most of the performance issues come from AFAIK. Of course the game would look worse for you, but you would still have the same game area to work with, and stuff would just be a little more blurry etc due to lower resolution, definately workable with if it really helps performance.
Im not sure of a ton of details on how that would affect performance, but theres stats anyway.
Also, the resolution that xsplit is set to, encoding resolution etc doesnt seem to matter at all for me in terms of ingame performance if you have sufficient CPU power to encode at that resolution, fps, preset etc, because you are still capturing the screen at 1920x1080xfps if you are playing the game at 1920x1080, but lowering the resolution of the game and/or monitor seems to massively decrease performance hits for me as there is a lot less information that has to be captured (above stats)
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Cyro i am saying that EVEN if he is using 5-6k which is needed for perfect 80p he wont have that problem.
The problem he has is only because of bad xsplit optimization and that the problem causing thing is the FPS in xsplit.
5-6k is only an example i am giving.
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On August 09 2012 19:06 Nepsilon wrote:
Cyro i am saying that EVEN if he is using 5-6k which is needed for perfect 80p he wont have that problem.
The problem he has is only because of bad xsplit optimization and that the problem causing thing is the FPS in xsplit.
5-6k is only an example i am giving.
I havnt found a program capable of matching xsplit, the performance hits are a bitch but it gives the best results at the lowest bitrates, doesnt crash EVER, is extremely stable and customizable in terms of encoding settings and things like stream overlays, its not at all easy to write software to do what xsplit does.
edit: All in my experience
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On August 09 2012 19:16 Nepsilon wrote:I am very glad that some people can stream only with Xsplit without having any issue that will impact their gaming while using it. But for me it was not like that so i had to combine with Dxtory. I had the same issue as Mgun. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272764
Dxtory helps some but not all and is not a complete fix, most have already explored it
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Well hopefully Mgun issue will be solved with it than
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This is some sort of software conflict. I use Phenom II x4 965 @ 3.4ghtz and GTX 550 ti.... your hardware is better than mine and I experience fps in the 70's-100's while streaming....but no jitter. I can't tell that I am streaming. I stream at 720p resolution with 1500 bitrate. All of my other settings are pretty much the same as yours, however my audio bitrate is turned down a little (I could probably go up).
What resolution do you stream at? What fps are you trying to stream at?
Also, lower your resolution that you are streaming at to like...320p or something... if you still experience jitter, it's obvious that it is a software problem somewhere.
@Medrea...
What are your system specs and do you stream?
This guy has more than enough power to stream with no issue.. his cpu benchmarks in the 9000's
I do pay a lot of attention to performance...and I promise you wouldn't tell the difference from streaming and not streaming on my rig while playing sc. XSplit is all he needs...eff dxtory ....eff FMLE.... all that other ish.
If it were me..i'd consider reinstalling xsplit...video drivers...
But like I said... lower your streaming resolution...set xsplit to stream at 30fps....and have sc2 on lowest settings... if you still have jitter...there is a software conflict...NOT a hardware conflict. Honestly, you should be able to stream on high at 720p with no trouble. Hope you figure it out.
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On August 10 2012 17:49 eyehesitate wrote:
This is some sort of software conflict. I use Phenom II x4 965 @ 3.4ghtz and GTX 550 ti.... your hardware is better than mine and I experience fps in the 70's-100's while streaming....but no jitter. I can't tell that I am streaming. I stream at 720p resolution with 1500 bitrate. All of my other settings are pretty much the same as yours, however my audio bitrate is turned down a little (I could probably go up).
What resolution do you stream at? What fps are you trying to stream at?
Also, lower your resolution that you are streaming at to like...320p or something... if you still experience jitter, it's obvious that it is a software problem somewhere.
@Medrea...
What are your system specs and do you stream?
This guy has more than enough power to stream with no issue.. his cpu benchmarks in the 9000's
I do pay a lot of attention to performance...and I promise you wouldn't tell the difference from streaming and not streaming on my rig while playing sc. XSplit is all he needs...eff dxtory ....eff FMLE.... all that other ish.
If it were me..i'd consider reinstalling xsplit...video drivers...
But like I said... lower your streaming resolution...set xsplit to stream at 30fps....and have sc2 on lowest settings... if you still have jitter...there is a software conflict...NOT a hardware conflict. Honestly, you should be able to stream on high at 720p with no trouble. Hope you figure it out.
trying to stream at 720p 25 fps
if I turn the resolution down to the lowest one, the jitter goes away, if I lower the fps to 5, the jittery goes away (for the most part)
Maybe it doesn't completely get rid of the jitter, but it helps...
so frustrating ><
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You may have already tried this...but uninstall xsplit... reinstall it... and try streaming at w/e bitrate you choose... 720p, 25fps using screen region with sc in windowed full screen.... and just leave everything else as default. Also, try another game... see if the jitter persists there.. Also, download fraps free version. Try to capture some of your gameplay...see if you feel any jitter while using fraps (fraps is just my personal preference)... just trying to single out xsplit...
My thing is, your hardware, if functioning properly, should be able to stream no problem. If I can, you can. That's all I'm saying. Also, just thought that I should mention, I turn sc2 graphics down to low. Easier on the processor and I experience no jitter with large battles this way.
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On August 11 2012 07:19 eyehesitate wrote:
You may have already tried this...but uninstall xsplit... reinstall it... and try streaming at w/e bitrate you choose... 720p, 25fps using screen region with sc in windowed full screen.... and just leave everything else as default. Also, try another game... see if the jitter persists there.. Also, download fraps free version. Try to capture some of your gameplay...see if you feel any jitter while using fraps (fraps is just my personal preference)... just trying to single out xsplit...
My thing is, your hardware, if functioning properly, should be able to stream no problem. If I can, you can. That's all I'm saying. Also, just thought that I should mention, I turn sc2 graphics down to low. Easier on the processor and I experience no jitter with large battles this way.
have tried uninstalling/reinstalling only using basic settings etc etc
no jitter while using fraps and i have 300+ fps while capturing with it, compared to ~120 from xsplit
and yeah all my stuff is on low already
imo the computer acts a little slow in general, even on other games i feel like it doesn't run them as well as it should
could we be looking at a hardware issue?
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Did you try xsplit with another game?
Using fraps is less intensive than using xsplit...but is still pretty intensive. To be honest, there is probably some very small issue somewhere...but it can be like finding a needle in a haystack. If you have the time, you could try re-installing sc2...
Before buying new hardware...the easiest, yet time consuming, thing to do is reformat your drive. I mean if that doesn't fix it, there is a hardware issue/conflict.
Also, xsplit is sketchy to the point that having something that runs off of flash (say a twitch stream) running in the background while streaming can cause performance issues.
With your hardware, as I have said many times, you shouldn't feel a damn thing when streaming. Yes, fps will drop from your normal, but you shouldn't feel annnnything.
My advice is to re-install shit... reformat windows if you have to (since you say your entire system feels slow - it shouldn't btw). If you do all that and you still have issues... something isn't tickin' right with your hardware. Hope you figure it out, bro. Btw...try streaming on a friend's rig if you can. You could be just really picky (seriously doubt it though).
P.S. I need to stress that you shouldn't feel anything at all while streaming sc2 with the mentioned settings. It is very well possible, however, that you would feel some jitter while streaming something like gta4 (even on low)..at least I do.
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On August 11 2012 13:08 eyehesitate wrote:
Did you try xsplit with another game?
Using fraps is less intensive than using xsplit...but is still pretty intensive. To be honest, there is probably some very small issue somewhere...but it can be like finding a needle in a haystack. If you have the time, you could try re-installing sc2...
Before buying new hardware...the easiest, yet time consuming, thing to do is reformat your drive. I mean if that doesn't fix it, there is a hardware issue/conflict.
Also, xsplit is sketchy to the point that having something that runs off of flash (say a twitch stream) running in the background while streaming can cause performance issues.
With your hardware, as I have said many times, you shouldn't feel a damn thing when streaming. Yes, fps will drop from your normal, but you shouldn't feel annnnything.
My advice is to re-install shit... reformat windows if you have to (since you say your entire system feels slow - it shouldn't btw). If you do all that and you still have issues... something isn't tickin' right with your hardware. Hope you figure it out, bro. Btw...try streaming on a friend's rig if you can. You could be just really picky (seriously doubt it though).
P.S. I need to stress that you shouldn't feel anything at all while streaming sc2 with the mentioned settings. It is very well possible, however, that you would feel some jitter while streaming something like gta4 (even on low)..at least I do.
nothing else is running in the background
and yeah I just tried a reformat, same issues
mmm
so where do i start to try and troubleshoot this
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On August 11 2012 15:25 coL.Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 13:08 eyehesitate wrote:
Did you try xsplit with another game?
Using fraps is less intensive than using xsplit...but is still pretty intensive. To be honest, there is probably some very small issue somewhere...but it can be like finding a needle in a haystack. If you have the time, you could try re-installing sc2...
Before buying new hardware...the easiest, yet time consuming, thing to do is reformat your drive. I mean if that doesn't fix it, there is a hardware issue/conflict.
Also, xsplit is sketchy to the point that having something that runs off of flash (say a twitch stream) running in the background while streaming can cause performance issues.
With your hardware, as I have said many times, you shouldn't feel a damn thing when streaming. Yes, fps will drop from your normal, but you shouldn't feel annnnything.
My advice is to re-install shit... reformat windows if you have to (since you say your entire system feels slow - it shouldn't btw). If you do all that and you still have issues... something isn't tickin' right with your hardware. Hope you figure it out, bro. Btw...try streaming on a friend's rig if you can. You could be just really picky (seriously doubt it though).
P.S. I need to stress that you shouldn't feel anything at all while streaming sc2 with the mentioned settings. It is very well possible, however, that you would feel some jitter while streaming something like gta4 (even on low)..at least I do.
nothing else is running in the background and yeah I just tried a reformat, same issues mmm so where do i start to try and troubleshoot this
PM Hellgreen
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On August 11 2012 15:58 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:25 coL.Minigun wrote:On August 11 2012 13:08 eyehesitate wrote:
Did you try xsplit with another game?
Using fraps is less intensive than using xsplit...but is still pretty intensive. To be honest, there is probably some very small issue somewhere...but it can be like finding a needle in a haystack. If you have the time, you could try re-installing sc2...
Before buying new hardware...the easiest, yet time consuming, thing to do is reformat your drive. I mean if that doesn't fix it, there is a hardware issue/conflict.
Also, xsplit is sketchy to the point that having something that runs off of flash (say a twitch stream) running in the background while streaming can cause performance issues.
With your hardware, as I have said many times, you shouldn't feel a damn thing when streaming. Yes, fps will drop from your normal, but you shouldn't feel annnnything.
My advice is to re-install shit... reformat windows if you have to (since you say your entire system feels slow - it shouldn't btw). If you do all that and you still have issues... something isn't tickin' right with your hardware. Hope you figure it out, bro. Btw...try streaming on a friend's rig if you can. You could be just really picky (seriously doubt it though).
P.S. I need to stress that you shouldn't feel anything at all while streaming sc2 with the mentioned settings. It is very well possible, however, that you would feel some jitter while streaming something like gta4 (even on low)..at least I do.
nothing else is running in the background and yeah I just tried a reformat, same issues mmm so where do i start to try and troubleshoot this PM Hellgreen
yep done
btw I did an intel burn test and im getting really really low gflops if that matters (~30)...
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gflops are dependant on things like ram aswell.
I have to say though, i had the exact same problem with xsplit as you, and i spent a lot of time trying to fix it. But i just
had to realise that xsplit and my pc didnt get along very well. I can stream 1080p with no jitter or jelly feel to my game in
both FMLE and FFsplit. Both are a lot better when it comes to the performance of the game you're playing. Test them,
at the very least it will confirm if there is a problem with xsplit or your hardware.
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I have almost same problem.
Xsplit closed: 300ish fps
Xsplit open (no stream) : 210-230 fps
Xsplit streaming: 130-150 fps
Why do i lose 70 freaking FPS by just opening Xsplit?
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Because of things like the preview window? Especially if you did not turn it down to 10%
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@nucleartv
the drop in fps is normal... However the jitter feeling is not.
130-150fps feels no different than 50-60fps, imo.
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On August 11 2012 19:41 Qiw wrote:
gflops are dependant on things like ram aswell.
I have to say though, i had the exact same problem with xsplit as you, and i spent a lot of time trying to fix it. But i just
had to realise that xsplit and my pc didnt get along very well. I can stream 1080p with no jitter or jelly feel to my game in
both FMLE and FFsplit. Both are a lot better when it comes to the performance of the game you're playing. Test them,
at the very least it will confirm if there is a problem with xsplit or your hardware.
from what I've read gflops in the ~30's are basically unheard of from my cpu. So could the ram be bottling the speed? or?...
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On August 12 2012 04:48 coL.Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 19:41 Qiw wrote:
gflops are dependant on things like ram aswell.
I have to say though, i had the exact same problem with xsplit as you, and i spent a lot of time trying to fix it. But i just
had to realise that xsplit and my pc didnt get along very well. I can stream 1080p with no jitter or jelly feel to my game in
both FMLE and FFsplit. Both are a lot better when it comes to the performance of the game you're playing. Test them,
at the very least it will confirm if there is a problem with xsplit or your hardware. from what I've read gflops in the ~30's are basically unheard of from my cpu. So could the ram be bottling the speed? or?...
Well regarding gflops people put one stick of 2gig ram or so to make their gflop count better. but a that low gflop count is a bit strange i guess. I'm not very experienced when it comes to the cpu you are using. But the game itself runs fine which makes me thing gflop count and stuff unrelated to xsplit are not an issue.. unless you have issues with other games?
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On August 12 2012 05:25 Qiw wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2012 04:48 coL.Minigun wrote:On August 11 2012 19:41 Qiw wrote:
gflops are dependant on things like ram aswell.
I have to say though, i had the exact same problem with xsplit as you, and i spent a lot of time trying to fix it. But i just
had to realise that xsplit and my pc didnt get along very well. I can stream 1080p with no jitter or jelly feel to my game in
both FMLE and FFsplit. Both are a lot better when it comes to the performance of the game you're playing. Test them,
at the very least it will confirm if there is a problem with xsplit or your hardware. from what I've read gflops in the ~30's are basically unheard of from my cpu. So could the ram be bottling the speed? or?... Well regarding gflops people put one stick of 2gig ram or so to make their gflop count better. but a that low gflop count is a bit strange i guess. I'm not very experienced when it comes to the cpu you are using. But the game itself runs fine which makes me thing gflop count and stuff unrelated to xsplit are not an issue.. unless you have issues with other games?
I honestly don't play any other games. or have any other ones installed for that matter
I tried ff split, lags even worse than xsplit does.
guess its more of a hardware issue?
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Starting to sound that way.
Trying removing a stick of ram and then streaming... quick way to figure out if you have a bad stick... if no change... do the same method to check your other sticks.
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On August 12 2012 05:51 coL.Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2012 05:25 Qiw wrote:On August 12 2012 04:48 coL.Minigun wrote:On August 11 2012 19:41 Qiw wrote:
gflops are dependant on things like ram aswell.
I have to say though, i had the exact same problem with xsplit as you, and i spent a lot of time trying to fix it. But i just
had to realise that xsplit and my pc didnt get along very well. I can stream 1080p with no jitter or jelly feel to my game in
both FMLE and FFsplit. Both are a lot better when it comes to the performance of the game you're playing. Test them,
at the very least it will confirm if there is a problem with xsplit or your hardware. from what I've read gflops in the ~30's are basically unheard of from my cpu. So could the ram be bottling the speed? or?... Well regarding gflops people put one stick of 2gig ram or so to make their gflop count better. but a that low gflop count is a bit strange i guess. I'm not very experienced when it comes to the cpu you are using. But the game itself runs fine which makes me thing gflop count and stuff unrelated to xsplit are not an issue.. unless you have issues with other games? I honestly don't play any other games. or have any other ones installed for that matter I tried ff split, lags even worse than xsplit does. guess its more of a hardware issue?
Yeah that sounds more like a hardware issue. I would slowly go through your hardware starting with your ram sticks. This test is a really good and failsafe way to diagnose ram. http://www.memtest86.com/ . You can just run it with all sticks installed, if it notices any problems i would run the test for each individual ram stick.
I would also run http://files.extremeoverclocking.com/file.php?f=205 (prime 95) to look for potential heat issues or general issues with your cpu.
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ran prime 95 for a bit...no errors
cpu temps don't go over 55c max load
zzz
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next step?
so....if i keep my xsplit on my main monitor instead of my 2nd one...I gain 10 fps...which kinda helps..., but still looking for a better solution...
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Somewhat new symptom...this morning I couldn't get computer to give a video signal. had to switch video card slots on the motherboard...maybe random but could this point towards the motherboard?
also....a few times it's gotten the "choppy" feeling, without xsplit even being open, only sc2 and say a background stream...although the fps is still 250+ but it loses the smooth feeling for 3-4 seconds, returns to normal, then gets choppy again for a few seconds, returns to normal...etc...
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Not really sure how teamliquid feels about bumping, but it's pretty far down, and I have one last question...
I've decided it must be hardware related, either CPU or motherboard.
This is what it looks like while it's micro stuttering with 60+ fps
http://i.imgur.com/cvfZ0.png
http://i.imgur.com/z7JJD.png
Is there a way to tell if it's the CPU or motherboard? Or is the easiest route just to buy a new one of each from amazon/newegg, and return either the cpu or motherboard depending on which fixes it?
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What did Hellgreen have to say?
The task manager graph doesnt have the resolution to tell you about a stuttering problem. And the task manager itself doesnt mean anything unless its on a separate screen since alt tabbing affects whats going on.
also....a few times it's gotten the "choppy" feeling, without xsplit even being open, only sc2 and say a background stream...although the fps is still 250+ but it loses the smooth feeling for 3-4 seconds, returns to normal, then gets choppy again for a few seconds, returns to normal...etc...
I dont know about this though. Either way a motherboard shouldnt cause a choppiness issue. Motherboard issues are usually very severe, its either fine or nothing is working. This almost sounds like temperatures but your CPU temps are fine and your GPU temps are probably also fine.
I dunno, this might be just your awareness of what not having vsync is like. Are you moving the screen around a lot, and then noticing the stuttering that way? Or is this something that even affects basic micro?
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I had a similar issue where Dota2 was reporting 120 FPS but it felt like 30. I don't remember what I ended up doing to fix it (although it lowered my framerate to 45 and it felt like 45) I think I messed with antialiasing and also GPU settings somewhat. PSO2 for example, if I set my GPU's AA to 16x hits 1fps if I have motion blur enabled AND am streaming. I'm sure theres somethign weird going on like that.
It was some combination of gamesource/enabling experimental optimization/affinities/aero/game priority set to High/GPU settings that ended up fixing it.
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Not sure if this has been said already but If you go into the nvidia control panel and enable triple buffering and adaptive vsync. It seems to help some.
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On August 24 2012 03:23 Nabutso wrote:
I had a similar issue where Dota2 was reporting 120 FPS but it felt like 30. I don't remember what I ended up doing to fix it (although it lowered my framerate to 45 and it felt like 45) I think I messed with antialiasing and also GPU settings somewhat. PSO2 for example, if I set my GPU's AA to 16x hits 1fps if I have motion blur enabled AND am streaming. I'm sure theres somethign weird going on like that.
It was some combination of gamesource/enabling experimental optimization/affinities/aero/game priority set to High/GPU settings that ended up fixing it.
hmmm
On August 24 2012 03:29 Zushen wrote:
Not sure if this has been said already but If you go into the nvidia control panel and enable triple buffering and adaptive vsync. It seems to help some.
I'll give it a try
On August 24 2012 03:17 Medrea wrote:What did Hellgreen have to say? The task manager graph doesnt have the resolution to tell you about a stuttering problem. And the task manager itself doesnt mean anything unless its on a separate screen since alt tabbing affects whats going on. Show nested quote +also....a few times it's gotten the "choppy" feeling, without xsplit even being open, only sc2 and say a background stream...although the fps is still 250+ but it loses the smooth feeling for 3-4 seconds, returns to normal, then gets choppy again for a few seconds, returns to normal...etc... I dont know about this though. Either way a motherboard shouldnt cause a choppiness issue. Motherboard issues are usually very severe, its either fine or nothing is working. This almost sounds like temperatures but your CPU temps are fine and your GPU temps are probably also fine. I dunno, this might be just your awareness of what not having vsync is like. Are you moving the screen around a lot, and then noticing the stuttering that way? Or is this something that even affects basic micro?
It is on a seperate screen. The temps are fine though or I'd agree ><, gpu temps are ~70c under full load, maybe slightly on the hot side.
I can recreate the "microstutter" without using xsplit. If I have say a music video AND another stream running in the background, while sc2 is loaded I'll get the microstutter for 3-4 seconds...it goes away, then comes back, then goes away, and so on....all while having 250+ fps still.
Also...if I take out one stick of ram....and only put say 1 stream on in the background while playing sc2...the micro stutter appears....again having 250+ fps
It's very unpleasent to the eyes, and yes it does make microing harder as well, everything is sluggish.
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Right click on a flash video, stream, youtube video, whatever.
Mouse over and hit settings.
Is hardware acceleration enabled or disabled? Because I would try whatever it currently isnt.
Sounds like adobe flash is taking you for a ride. Flash isnt really supported anymore. Not even adobe supports adobe flash really. I dont know why we are removing RA though.
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On August 24 2012 03:37 Medrea wrote:
Right click on a flash video, stream, youtube video, whatever.
Mouse over and hit settings.
Is hardware acceleration enabled or disabled? Because I would try whatever it currently isnt.
it was enabled...I turned it off, seems to be better? really hard to tell it's kinda random sometimes
xsplit still lags like hell though
oh yeah, before I couldn't even get 60 fps while running one stream in the background in League of legends ill try now
ra?
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Well, thats what Xsplit does. Xsplit renders and projects a flash preview of whatever you tell it to, of course what you see is not necessarily what your viewers see, so the preview serves no real purpose yet you can't get rid of it (the overhead is still very real).
Unlike your flash player you can't change anything about the preview screen. Hellgreen claims it doesn't actually cause the problem, but since I only have this problem with Xsplit and not streamers like FMLE (which can be run from a command line) I don't appreciate the distinction.
Thats why its important to get into contact with Hellgreen because he knows about very specific things about Xsplit that can maybe ameliorate the problem.
As a pro player I know how its frustrating to have your skill level altered by "greed" (you dont NEED to stream, unless you like money >.>). So for people who are really frustrated with streaming from the same CPU thats running the game. I recommend not doing that and using a second computer and/or capture card to segregate the two activities (since SC2 is a game thats hard to get really high FPS on anyway). A solution that requires $$$ so for many, its not a solution at all and thats respectable. This is why we don't see the topmost Koreans play. Koreans are as aware of the problems of streaming as anyone else is.
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On August 24 2012 03:43 coL.Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 03:37 Medrea wrote:
Right click on a flash video, stream, youtube video, whatever.
Mouse over and hit settings.
Is hardware acceleration enabled or disabled? Because I would try whatever it currently isnt. it was enabled...I turned it off, seems to be better? really hard to tell it's kinda random sometimes xsplit still lags like hell though oh yeah, before I couldn't even get 60 fps while running one stream in the background in League of legends ill try now ra?
Well make sure you dont have vsync enabled in LoL. I dont run that game very often but when I did I had like a billion FPS the whole time, and you should too. That game is super duper easy to render. No units to build. Super easy pathing. Playstation 2 texture quality.
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prolly your RAM
Need atleast 12.
Minimum CL9
User was warned for this post
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On August 24 2012 03:52 Medrea wrote:
Well, thats what Xsplit does. Xsplit renders and projects a flash preview of whatever you tell it to, of course what you see is not necessarily what your viewers see, so the preview serves no real purpose yet you can't get rid of it (the overhead is still very real).
Unlike your flash player you can't change anything about the preview screen. Hellgreen claims it doesn't actually cause the problem, but since I only have this problem with Xsplit and not streamers like FMLE (which can be run from a command line) I don't appreciate the distinction.
Thats why its important to get into contact with Hellgreen because he knows about very specific things about Xsplit that can maybe ameliorate the problem.
As a pro player I know how its frustrating to have your skill level altered by "greed" (you dont NEED to stream, unless you like money >.>). So for people who are really frustrated with streaming from the same CPU thats running the game. I recommend not doing that and using a second computer and/or capture card to segregate the two activities (since SC2 is a game thats hard to get really high FPS on anyway). A solution that requires $$$ so for many, its not a solution at all and thats respectable. This is why we don't see the topmost Koreans play. Koreans are as aware of the problems of streaming as anyone else is.
the odd part is, other streaming programs cause the lag, it's not JUST xsplit
so...a capture card should fix my problem? I don't have access to another pc that could do the encoding, and I'd rather not buy a computer just for the sake of running xsplit on it.
I just want to be able to stream without jitter >< . I enjoy streaming for far too many reasons to give up on it. Interacting with the fans/having people watch you play is good motivation, it's not ALL about the money.
something like this? http://www.amazon.com/AVERMEDIA-Captures-Gameplay-Hardware-C985/dp/B007UXJ6LE/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1345748962&sr=1-5
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On August 24 2012 04:00 coL.Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 03:52 Medrea wrote:
Well, thats what Xsplit does. Xsplit renders and projects a flash preview of whatever you tell it to, of course what you see is not necessarily what your viewers see, so the preview serves no real purpose yet you can't get rid of it (the overhead is still very real).
Unlike your flash player you can't change anything about the preview screen. Hellgreen claims it doesn't actually cause the problem, but since I only have this problem with Xsplit and not streamers like FMLE (which can be run from a command line) I don't appreciate the distinction.
Thats why its important to get into contact with Hellgreen because he knows about very specific things about Xsplit that can maybe ameliorate the problem.
As a pro player I know how its frustrating to have your skill level altered by "greed" (you dont NEED to stream, unless you like money >.>). So for people who are really frustrated with streaming from the same CPU thats running the game. I recommend not doing that and using a second computer and/or capture card to segregate the two activities (since SC2 is a game thats hard to get really high FPS on anyway). A solution that requires $$$ so for many, its not a solution at all and thats respectable. This is why we don't see the topmost Koreans play. Koreans are as aware of the problems of streaming as anyone else is. the odd part is, other streaming programs cause the lag, it's not JUST xsplit so...a capture card should fix my problem? I just want to be able to stream without jitter ><
Streaming without jitter is like an ultra cosmological question. Even if I use FMLE I get it a little bit. In the end you just need to either not be sensitive to it or pony up the cash.
I don't know much about streaming with a capture card but not a second computer. If you look at itmejp's stream he uses two computers and an avermedia 985. The result is a gorgeous tournament quality stream, the stream itself is 60 FPS HD and his play is not affected in the least because his computer is doing neither the capture nor the encoding.
Now HIS second computer is also retardedly OP (i7 2600k, flagship everything else.) but you dont need anything near that level, Idra was using a spare laptop he had to do his streaming for him and I can't for the life of me imagine Idra as not being sensitive, although he does like money a lot.
Lol yep. Of course you need to actually be able to deliver 60 FPS to it to get that much.
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Capture card should be the last thing you would want to do. I would say if reformatting your computer doesn't help then go ahead and buy a capture card.
if you do reformat your computer, make sure and image the fresh install just because its sooo much more easier when re installing windows if you would ever have to do it again.
another thing I know that with xsplit when there would be lag usually deleting your scenes/screen areas etc wouldn't help fix lag. Some times going to file -> new presentation would help as well, not sure if it applies to the version 1.0 of xsplit but it certainly helped in beta versions.
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On August 24 2012 04:11 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 04:00 coL.Minigun wrote:On August 24 2012 03:52 Medrea wrote:
Well, thats what Xsplit does. Xsplit renders and projects a flash preview of whatever you tell it to, of course what you see is not necessarily what your viewers see, so the preview serves no real purpose yet you can't get rid of it (the overhead is still very real).
Unlike your flash player you can't change anything about the preview screen. Hellgreen claims it doesn't actually cause the problem, but since I only have this problem with Xsplit and not streamers like FMLE (which can be run from a command line) I don't appreciate the distinction.
Thats why its important to get into contact with Hellgreen because he knows about very specific things about Xsplit that can maybe ameliorate the problem.
As a pro player I know how its frustrating to have your skill level altered by "greed" (you dont NEED to stream, unless you like money >.>). So for people who are really frustrated with streaming from the same CPU thats running the game. I recommend not doing that and using a second computer and/or capture card to segregate the two activities (since SC2 is a game thats hard to get really high FPS on anyway). A solution that requires $$$ so for many, its not a solution at all and thats respectable. This is why we don't see the topmost Koreans play. Koreans are as aware of the problems of streaming as anyone else is. the odd part is, other streaming programs cause the lag, it's not JUST xsplit so...a capture card should fix my problem? I just want to be able to stream without jitter >< Streaming without jitter is like an ultra cosmological question. Even if I use FMLE I get it a little bit. In the end you just need to either not be sensitive to it or pony up the cash. I don't know much about streaming with a capture card but not a second computer. If you look at itmejp's stream he uses two computers and an avermedia 985. The result is a gorgeous tournament quality stream, the stream itself is 60 FPS HD and his play is not affected in the least because his computer is doing neither the capture nor the encoding. Now HIS second computer is also retardedly OP (i7 2600k, flagship everything else.) but you dont need anything near that level, Idra was using a spare laptop he had to do his streaming for him and I can't for the life of me imagine Idra as not being sensitive, although he does like money a lot. Lol yep. Of course you need to actually be able to deliver 60 FPS to it to get that much.
hmmm...how high end of a comp do i need to get exactly say for a 60 fps hd stream? Don't want to end up putting one together only to find out I went too cheap on the parts ^_^ .
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Your hardware is 10x better than mine and look at my stream, i stream at 60 fps at 720P and still have over 130 fps with my I7-960 CPU. If you are seeing "jittering" make sure you are using game source or dxtory as cam and not screen region. And bitrate has nothing to do with performance on your video.
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On August 24 2012 04:19 Avean wrote:
Your hardware is 10x better than mine and look at my stream, i stream at 60 fps at 720P and still have over 130 fps with my I7-960 CPU. If you are seeing "jittering" make sure you are using game source or dxtory as cam and not screen region. And bitrate has nothing to do with performance on your video.
ugh that right there makes me sick and revert back to something must be wrong with my hardware
lol
grrrrrrrr
5$#%$%#^
I don't know what to do. I feel like I've tried everything.
I've tried game source and dxtory and screen region
all is same
On August 24 2012 04:16 Boblhead wrote:
Capture card should be the last thing you would want to do. I would say if reformatting your computer doesn't help then go ahead and buy a capture card.
if you do reformat your computer, make sure and image the fresh install just because its sooo much more easier when re installing windows if you would ever have to do it again.
another thing I know that with xsplit when there would be lag usually deleting your scenes/screen areas etc wouldn't help fix lag. Some times going to file -> new presentation would help as well, not sure if it applies to the version 1.0 of xsplit but it certainly helped in beta versions.
Yeah I've tried all that...I've pretty much exhaused my options.
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On August 24 2012 04:20 coL.Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 04:19 Avean wrote:
Your hardware is 10x better than mine and look at my stream, i stream at 60 fps at 720P and still have over 130 fps with my I7-960 CPU. If you are seeing "jittering" make sure you are using game source or dxtory as cam and not screen region. And bitrate has nothing to do with performance on your video. ugh that right there makes me sick and revert back to something must be wrong with my hardware lol grrrrrrrr 5$#%$%#^ I don't know what to do. I feel like I've tried everything. I've tried game source and dxtory and screen region all is same Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 04:16 Boblhead wrote:
Capture card should be the last thing you would want to do. I would say if reformatting your computer doesn't help then go ahead and buy a capture card.
if you do reformat your computer, make sure and image the fresh install just because its sooo much more easier when re installing windows if you would ever have to do it again.
another thing I know that with xsplit when there would be lag usually deleting your scenes/screen areas etc wouldn't help fix lag. Some times going to file -> new presentation would help as well, not sure if it applies to the version 1.0 of xsplit but it certainly helped in beta versions. Yeah I've tried all that...I've pretty much exhaused my options.
He doesnt stream at 60 FPS. He can't even run the game at 60 towards the end of the game. And he doesnt even talk about jittering (not a function of FPS). I get frustrated whenever I read "omg I get 60 FPS" as well. I have an i5-2500k and 7970 and best minimum I can get is around 40 FPS (more if I run the same scenario many times).
If you dont want to pony up the cash, thats very well fine. Another option is that you can wait and see what the future brings.
That being said. Whats going on about your board? Your primary slot is fucked?
EDIT: After reading about your motherboard you should return it if the primary slot is defective. The primary slot is a x16 slot running at x16 while the second slot is a x16 lane running at x4 ( I think anyway, its hard to get a clear answer). I dont actually think you are having bandwidth problems but, if it doesnt work you should invoke the warranty on the board anyway.
Who knows it might even fix your problem and we all learn something.
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On August 24 2012 04:34 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 04:20 coL.Minigun wrote:On August 24 2012 04:19 Avean wrote:
Your hardware is 10x better than mine and look at my stream, i stream at 60 fps at 720P and still have over 130 fps with my I7-960 CPU. If you are seeing "jittering" make sure you are using game source or dxtory as cam and not screen region. And bitrate has nothing to do with performance on your video. ugh that right there makes me sick and revert back to something must be wrong with my hardware lol grrrrrrrr 5$#%$%#^ I don't know what to do. I feel like I've tried everything. I've tried game source and dxtory and screen region all is same On August 24 2012 04:16 Boblhead wrote:
Capture card should be the last thing you would want to do. I would say if reformatting your computer doesn't help then go ahead and buy a capture card.
if you do reformat your computer, make sure and image the fresh install just because its sooo much more easier when re installing windows if you would ever have to do it again.
another thing I know that with xsplit when there would be lag usually deleting your scenes/screen areas etc wouldn't help fix lag. Some times going to file -> new presentation would help as well, not sure if it applies to the version 1.0 of xsplit but it certainly helped in beta versions. Yeah I've tried all that...I've pretty much exhaused my options. He doesnt stream at 60 FPS. He can't even run the game at 60 towards the end of the game. And he doesnt even talk about jittering (not a function of FPS). I get frustrated whenever I read "omg I get 60 FPS" as well. I have an i5-2500k and 7970 and best minimum I can get is around 40 FPS (more if I run the same scenario many times). If you dont want to pony up the cash, thats very well fine. Another option is that you can wait and see what the future brings. That being said. Whats going on about your board? Your primary slot is fucked? EDIT: After reading about your motherboard you should return it if the primary slot is defective. The primary slot is a x16 slot running at x16 while the second slot is a x16 lane running at x4. I dont actually think you are having badnwidth problems but, if it doesnt work you should invoke the warranty on the board anyway. Who knows it might even fix your problem and we all learn something.
Ah okay. Yeah the slot blew I think, not really sure why. I guess I'll see if the warenty is still valid and return.
Okay so what do I need to get to have a good quality stream? I actually would prefer a laptop over a desktop (unless that decreases quality or whatnot...)
Are we talking like a 400$ laptop 800$ laptop or?
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I guess that depends on what your definition of "good" is. That and I am not really good with laptops. I would personally use a mini ITX computer since Im not a fan of laptops and I think tablets and smartphones are the future in mobile technology anyway.
60 fps streams are still super rare, but man are they delicious aren't they?
EDIT: I mean look at this stream.
http://www.twitch.tv/itmejp/b/329270874
LOOK AT IT.
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On August 24 2012 04:38 coL.Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 04:34 Medrea wrote:On August 24 2012 04:20 coL.Minigun wrote:On August 24 2012 04:19 Avean wrote:
Your hardware is 10x better than mine and look at my stream, i stream at 60 fps at 720P and still have over 130 fps with my I7-960 CPU. If you are seeing "jittering" make sure you are using game source or dxtory as cam and not screen region. And bitrate has nothing to do with performance on your video. ugh that right there makes me sick and revert back to something must be wrong with my hardware lol grrrrrrrr 5$#%$%#^ I don't know what to do. I feel like I've tried everything. I've tried game source and dxtory and screen region all is same On August 24 2012 04:16 Boblhead wrote:
Capture card should be the last thing you would want to do. I would say if reformatting your computer doesn't help then go ahead and buy a capture card.
if you do reformat your computer, make sure and image the fresh install just because its sooo much more easier when re installing windows if you would ever have to do it again.
another thing I know that with xsplit when there would be lag usually deleting your scenes/screen areas etc wouldn't help fix lag. Some times going to file -> new presentation would help as well, not sure if it applies to the version 1.0 of xsplit but it certainly helped in beta versions. Yeah I've tried all that...I've pretty much exhaused my options. He doesnt stream at 60 FPS. He can't even run the game at 60 towards the end of the game. And he doesnt even talk about jittering (not a function of FPS). I get frustrated whenever I read "omg I get 60 FPS" as well. I have an i5-2500k and 7970 and best minimum I can get is around 40 FPS (more if I run the same scenario many times). If you dont want to pony up the cash, thats very well fine. Another option is that you can wait and see what the future brings. That being said. Whats going on about your board? Your primary slot is fucked? EDIT: After reading about your motherboard you should return it if the primary slot is defective. The primary slot is a x16 slot running at x16 while the second slot is a x16 lane running at x4. I dont actually think you are having badnwidth problems but, if it doesnt work you should invoke the warranty on the board anyway. Who knows it might even fix your problem and we all learn something. Ah okay. Yeah the slot blew I think, not really sure why. I guess I'll see if the warenty is still valid and return. Okay so what do I need to get to have a good quality stream? I actually would prefer a laptop over a desktop (unless that decreases quality or whatnot...) Are we talking like a 400$ laptop 800$ laptop or? Sadly if you want a good laptop for gaming/streaming you need to spend at least around ~1600$ for it to be worth-while. I also would prefer a laptop to a desktop but its just not worth it
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On August 24 2012 04:43 Medrea wrote:
I guess that depends on what your definition of "good" is. That and I am not really good with laptops. I would personally use a mini ITX computer since Im not a fan of laptops and I think tablets and smartphones are the future in mobile technology anyway.
60 fps streams are still super rare, but man are they delicious aren't they?
"good" would be say idra's quality....or destinys...select has a delicious stream himself
I actually could use a laptop since I don't have a good one atm, old laptop is old. Not a huge fan of tablets and stuff ;s.
Just seems like a waste to buy a desktop just to sit next to my other desktop ;o
On August 24 2012 04:46 Zushen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 04:38 coL.Minigun wrote:On August 24 2012 04:34 Medrea wrote:On August 24 2012 04:20 coL.Minigun wrote:On August 24 2012 04:19 Avean wrote:
Your hardware is 10x better than mine and look at my stream, i stream at 60 fps at 720P and still have over 130 fps with my I7-960 CPU. If you are seeing "jittering" make sure you are using game source or dxtory as cam and not screen region. And bitrate has nothing to do with performance on your video. ugh that right there makes me sick and revert back to something must be wrong with my hardware lol grrrrrrrr 5$#%$%#^ I don't know what to do. I feel like I've tried everything. I've tried game source and dxtory and screen region all is same On August 24 2012 04:16 Boblhead wrote:
Capture card should be the last thing you would want to do. I would say if reformatting your computer doesn't help then go ahead and buy a capture card.
if you do reformat your computer, make sure and image the fresh install just because its sooo much more easier when re installing windows if you would ever have to do it again.
another thing I know that with xsplit when there would be lag usually deleting your scenes/screen areas etc wouldn't help fix lag. Some times going to file -> new presentation would help as well, not sure if it applies to the version 1.0 of xsplit but it certainly helped in beta versions. Yeah I've tried all that...I've pretty much exhaused my options. He doesnt stream at 60 FPS. He can't even run the game at 60 towards the end of the game. And he doesnt even talk about jittering (not a function of FPS). I get frustrated whenever I read "omg I get 60 FPS" as well. I have an i5-2500k and 7970 and best minimum I can get is around 40 FPS (more if I run the same scenario many times). If you dont want to pony up the cash, thats very well fine. Another option is that you can wait and see what the future brings. That being said. Whats going on about your board? Your primary slot is fucked? EDIT: After reading about your motherboard you should return it if the primary slot is defective. The primary slot is a x16 slot running at x16 while the second slot is a x16 lane running at x4. I dont actually think you are having badnwidth problems but, if it doesnt work you should invoke the warranty on the board anyway. Who knows it might even fix your problem and we all learn something. Ah okay. Yeah the slot blew I think, not really sure why. I guess I'll see if the warenty is still valid and return. Okay so what do I need to get to have a good quality stream? I actually would prefer a laptop over a desktop (unless that decreases quality or whatnot...) Are we talking like a 400$ laptop 800$ laptop or? Sadly if you want a good laptop for gaming/streaming you need to spend at least around ~1600$ for it to be worth-while. I also would prefer a laptop to a desktop but its just not worth it
really? o.O ooook desktop it is. I can't justify spending that much on a laptop that's mainly going to be used just for streaming.
So...what quality parts should I be looking at desktop wise.
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On August 24 2012 04:47 coL.Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 04:43 Medrea wrote:
I guess that depends on what your definition of "good" is. That and I am not really good with laptops. I would personally use a mini ITX computer since Im not a fan of laptops and I think tablets and smartphones are the future in mobile technology anyway.
60 fps streams are still super rare, but man are they delicious aren't they? "good" would be say idra's quality....or destinys...select has a delicious stream himself I actually could use a laptop since I don't have a good one atm, old laptop is old. Not a huge fan of tablets and stuff ;s. Just seems like a waste to buy a desktop just to sit next to my other desktop ;o
Well do you also want to be able to play games on a laptop as well? Cuz thats a whole nother bag of worms. And more expensive.
I havent actually checked Idras stream in awhile. All he had was some 480p, low sound quality, 24 FPS stream for a long long time. Thats what i was talking about. The stream itself wasnt amazing.
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On August 24 2012 04:47 coL.Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 04:43 Medrea wrote:
I guess that depends on what your definition of "good" is. That and I am not really good with laptops. I would personally use a mini ITX computer since Im not a fan of laptops and I think tablets and smartphones are the future in mobile technology anyway.
60 fps streams are still super rare, but man are they delicious aren't they? "good" would be say idra's quality....or destinys...select has a delicious stream himself I actually could use a laptop since I don't have a good one atm, old laptop is old. Not a huge fan of tablets and stuff ;s. Just seems like a waste to buy a desktop just to sit next to my other desktop ;o Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 04:46 Zushen wrote:On August 24 2012 04:38 coL.Minigun wrote:On August 24 2012 04:34 Medrea wrote:On August 24 2012 04:20 coL.Minigun wrote:On August 24 2012 04:19 Avean wrote:
Your hardware is 10x better than mine and look at my stream, i stream at 60 fps at 720P and still have over 130 fps with my I7-960 CPU. If you are seeing "jittering" make sure you are using game source or dxtory as cam and not screen region. And bitrate has nothing to do with performance on your video. ugh that right there makes me sick and revert back to something must be wrong with my hardware lol grrrrrrrr 5$#%$%#^ I don't know what to do. I feel like I've tried everything. I've tried game source and dxtory and screen region all is same On August 24 2012 04:16 Boblhead wrote:
Capture card should be the last thing you would want to do. I would say if reformatting your computer doesn't help then go ahead and buy a capture card.
if you do reformat your computer, make sure and image the fresh install just because its sooo much more easier when re installing windows if you would ever have to do it again.
another thing I know that with xsplit when there would be lag usually deleting your scenes/screen areas etc wouldn't help fix lag. Some times going to file -> new presentation would help as well, not sure if it applies to the version 1.0 of xsplit but it certainly helped in beta versions. Yeah I've tried all that...I've pretty much exhaused my options. He doesnt stream at 60 FPS. He can't even run the game at 60 towards the end of the game. And he doesnt even talk about jittering (not a function of FPS). I get frustrated whenever I read "omg I get 60 FPS" as well. I have an i5-2500k and 7970 and best minimum I can get is around 40 FPS (more if I run the same scenario many times). If you dont want to pony up the cash, thats very well fine. Another option is that you can wait and see what the future brings. That being said. Whats going on about your board? Your primary slot is fucked? EDIT: After reading about your motherboard you should return it if the primary slot is defective. The primary slot is a x16 slot running at x16 while the second slot is a x16 lane running at x4. I dont actually think you are having badnwidth problems but, if it doesnt work you should invoke the warranty on the board anyway. Who knows it might even fix your problem and we all learn something. Ah okay. Yeah the slot blew I think, not really sure why. I guess I'll see if the warenty is still valid and return. Okay so what do I need to get to have a good quality stream? I actually would prefer a laptop over a desktop (unless that decreases quality or whatnot...) Are we talking like a 400$ laptop 800$ laptop or? Sadly if you want a good laptop for gaming/streaming you need to spend at least around ~1600$ for it to be worth-while. I also would prefer a laptop to a desktop but its just not worth it really? o.O ooook desktop it is. I can't justify spending that much on a laptop that's mainly going to be used just for streaming. So...what quality parts should I be looking at desktop wise.
Building a mini computer would be way less expensive because you only need two quality components, the processor and the capture card but I would NOT expect to get out of the deal for less than $500. Thats why Im suggesting returning the motherboard. Maybe you can fix this for the cost of nothing but invoking the warranty.
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On August 24 2012 04:47 coL.Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 04:43 Medrea wrote:
I guess that depends on what your definition of "good" is. That and I am not really good with laptops. I would personally use a mini ITX computer since Im not a fan of laptops and I think tablets and smartphones are the future in mobile technology anyway.
60 fps streams are still super rare, but man are they delicious aren't they? "good" would be say idra's quality....or destinys...select has a delicious stream himself I actually could use a laptop since I don't have a good one atm, old laptop is old. Not a huge fan of tablets and stuff ;s. Just seems like a waste to buy a desktop just to sit next to my other desktop ;o
well if your mobo on your current desktop is still under warranty and you send it back then it would be perfect for 2 pc setup. Having a laptop/ desktop in my opinion would be a good 2 pc stream
well if you were looking to do a 2 pc stream, depends what you want to play on. The laptop would depending on what you would want to play at would have to be good enough for low/med/high/ultra. You could be looking at $800 but if you wanted 1080p output you would need a fairly decent GPU say if you wanted to play med/high settings. If you can find a laptop with like a gtx 460m that would be good enough to play med/high settings @ 1080p. I think you would need at least 2 monitors, and maybe a splitter, so if your laptop you would play through the HDMI or DVI output on the laptop and have it run to one monitor, and the splitter end would run to the capturecard on your current desktop. I would say if you did get your desktop fixed with the motherboard and you got a laptop you would be looking at maybe $700-1200 (this price would include laptop, capturecard, maybe other things needed for 2 pc streaming) and if your just looking for a laptop for streaming anywhere from $1200 for older sandy bridge i7's to $1500+ for i7 ivy bridge laptops.
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When streaming using 2 computers with one of them being the laptop. You play on the PC and the laptop does the streaming through VLC. Not the other way around. Capture card is with two PC's only I think.
Argh I get so lost sometimes.
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On August 24 2012 04:52 Boblhead wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 04:47 coL.Minigun wrote:On August 24 2012 04:43 Medrea wrote:
I guess that depends on what your definition of "good" is. That and I am not really good with laptops. I would personally use a mini ITX computer since Im not a fan of laptops and I think tablets and smartphones are the future in mobile technology anyway.
60 fps streams are still super rare, but man are they delicious aren't they? "good" would be say idra's quality....or destinys...select has a delicious stream himself I actually could use a laptop since I don't have a good one atm, old laptop is old. Not a huge fan of tablets and stuff ;s. Just seems like a waste to buy a desktop just to sit next to my other desktop ;o well if your mobo on your current desktop is still under warranty and you send it back then it would be perfect for 2 pc setup. Having a laptop/ desktop in my opinion would be a good 2 pc stream well if you were looking to do a 2 pc stream, depends what you want to play on. The laptop would depending on what you would want to play at would have to be good enough for low/med/high/ultra. You could be looking at $800 but if you wanted 1080p output you would need a fairly decent GPU say if you wanted to play med/high settings. If you can find a laptop with like a gtx 460m that would be good enough to play med/high settings @ 1080p. I think you would need at least 2 monitors, and maybe a splitter, so if your laptop you would play through the HDMI or DVI output on the laptop and have it run to one monitor, and the splitter end would run to the capturecard on your current desktop. I would say if you did get your desktop fixed with the motherboard and you got a laptop you would be looking at maybe $700-1200 (this price would include laptop, capturecard, maybe other things needed for 2 pc streaming) and if your just looking for a laptop for streaming anywhere from $1200 for older sandy bridge i7's to $1500+ for i7 ivy bridge laptops.
hmmmmmmmm
decisions decisions
On August 24 2012 04:49 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 04:47 coL.Minigun wrote:On August 24 2012 04:43 Medrea wrote:
I guess that depends on what your definition of "good" is. That and I am not really good with laptops. I would personally use a mini ITX computer since Im not a fan of laptops and I think tablets and smartphones are the future in mobile technology anyway.
60 fps streams are still super rare, but man are they delicious aren't they? "good" would be say idra's quality....or destinys...select has a delicious stream himself I actually could use a laptop since I don't have a good one atm, old laptop is old. Not a huge fan of tablets and stuff ;s. Just seems like a waste to buy a desktop just to sit next to my other desktop ;o Well do you also want to be able to play games on a laptop as well? Cuz thats a whole nother bag of worms. And more expensive. I havent actually checked Idras stream in awhile. All he had was some 480p, low sound quality, 24 FPS stream for a long long time. Thats what i was talking about. The stream itself wasnt amazing.
Ah weird, I don't remember it being that bad. o.O
On August 24 2012 04:51 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 04:47 coL.Minigun wrote:On August 24 2012 04:43 Medrea wrote:
I guess that depends on what your definition of "good" is. That and I am not really good with laptops. I would personally use a mini ITX computer since Im not a fan of laptops and I think tablets and smartphones are the future in mobile technology anyway.
60 fps streams are still super rare, but man are they delicious aren't they? "good" would be say idra's quality....or destinys...select has a delicious stream himself I actually could use a laptop since I don't have a good one atm, old laptop is old. Not a huge fan of tablets and stuff ;s. Just seems like a waste to buy a desktop just to sit next to my other desktop ;o On August 24 2012 04:46 Zushen wrote:On August 24 2012 04:38 coL.Minigun wrote:On August 24 2012 04:34 Medrea wrote:On August 24 2012 04:20 coL.Minigun wrote:On August 24 2012 04:19 Avean wrote:
Your hardware is 10x better than mine and look at my stream, i stream at 60 fps at 720P and still have over 130 fps with my I7-960 CPU. If you are seeing "jittering" make sure you are using game source or dxtory as cam and not screen region. And bitrate has nothing to do with performance on your video. ugh that right there makes me sick and revert back to something must be wrong with my hardware lol grrrrrrrr 5$#%$%#^ I don't know what to do. I feel like I've tried everything. I've tried game source and dxtory and screen region all is same On August 24 2012 04:16 Boblhead wrote:
Capture card should be the last thing you would want to do. I would say if reformatting your computer doesn't help then go ahead and buy a capture card.
if you do reformat your computer, make sure and image the fresh install just because its sooo much more easier when re installing windows if you would ever have to do it again.
another thing I know that with xsplit when there would be lag usually deleting your scenes/screen areas etc wouldn't help fix lag. Some times going to file -> new presentation would help as well, not sure if it applies to the version 1.0 of xsplit but it certainly helped in beta versions. Yeah I've tried all that...I've pretty much exhaused my options. He doesnt stream at 60 FPS. He can't even run the game at 60 towards the end of the game. And he doesnt even talk about jittering (not a function of FPS). I get frustrated whenever I read "omg I get 60 FPS" as well. I have an i5-2500k and 7970 and best minimum I can get is around 40 FPS (more if I run the same scenario many times). If you dont want to pony up the cash, thats very well fine. Another option is that you can wait and see what the future brings. That being said. Whats going on about your board? Your primary slot is fucked? EDIT: After reading about your motherboard you should return it if the primary slot is defective. The primary slot is a x16 slot running at x16 while the second slot is a x16 lane running at x4. I dont actually think you are having badnwidth problems but, if it doesnt work you should invoke the warranty on the board anyway. Who knows it might even fix your problem and we all learn something. Ah okay. Yeah the slot blew I think, not really sure why. I guess I'll see if the warenty is still valid and return. Okay so what do I need to get to have a good quality stream? I actually would prefer a laptop over a desktop (unless that decreases quality or whatnot...) Are we talking like a 400$ laptop 800$ laptop or? Sadly if you want a good laptop for gaming/streaming you need to spend at least around ~1600$ for it to be worth-while. I also would prefer a laptop to a desktop but its just not worth it really? o.O ooook desktop it is. I can't justify spending that much on a laptop that's mainly going to be used just for streaming. So...what quality parts should I be looking at desktop wise. Building a mini computer would be way less expensive because you only need two quality components, the processor and the capture card but I would NOT expect to get out of the deal for less than $500. Thats why Im suggesting returning the motherboard. Maybe you can fix this for the cost of nothing but invoking the warranty.
I had this problem before that pci slot blew, so I'm not too hopeful it will fix it but I'll defintely try it.
And no I'd only want something to stream off of.
On August 24 2012 04:55 Medrea wrote:
When streaming using 2 computers with one of them being the laptop. You play on the PC and the laptop does the streaming through VLC. Not the other way around. Capture card is with two PC's only I think.
Argh I get so lost sometimes.
ahh hmm
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OK here's the deal. I am SUPER sensitive to framerate alterations and smooth gameplay. I don't let it get to me or let it break my focus on the game, but I definitely can see it.
Since its not my money, but yours, I could say just throw money at the problem but the science nerd in me says we havent eliminated all variables of the problem, and that your slot may have been freaking out in a manner I have never before seen happen. So I would say before buying anything see if a mobo repair doesnt work.
I wish more pro players lived in the Connecticut area so I could personally diagnose these tricky "only the eye can see" problems. Because in the end I dont know if your issue is caused by software, hardware, or just the laws of physics at work.
The differences between kinda jerky, quite a bit jerky, very jerky, are very small but with 3 different contributors. I can tell the difference between all three. But they have to be sitting right in front of me.
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So uh.....I don't know what happened...and I don't know if it will last...but I'm currently streaming with ~180 fps and very very very ( if any at all) jitter...I reset bios and overclocked everything from start again....but...it seems to be running pretty good atm...
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On August 24 2012 03:59 BuGGeaD wrote:
prolly your RAM
Need atleast 12.
Minimum CL9
no, just no
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On August 24 2012 05:22 coL.Minigun wrote:
So uh.....I don't know what happened...and I don't know if it will last...but I'm currently streaming with ~180 fps and very very very ( if any at all) jitter...I reset bios and overclocked everything from start again....but...it seems to be running pretty good atm...
I was just about to ask you if there has been a bios update you could do. But resetting your bios could work as well.
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On August 24 2012 05:22 coL.Minigun wrote:
So uh.....I don't know what happened...and I don't know if it will last...but I'm currently streaming with ~180 fps and very very very ( if any at all) jitter...I reset bios and overclocked everything from start again....but...it seems to be running pretty good atm...
Most likely your RAM timings were off, or you had your memory seriously underclocked. Memory bandwidth usage is pretty crazy when running streams, and when you run out of it, everything has to come to a dead stop to wait for bandwidth to free up. Always gotta check that multipliers and all timings are set properly or you can take so huge performance hits. Depending on the setup you have, it's sometimes more efficient to have slower CPU clock speed and lower RAM frequency to allow tighter memory timings.
Just thoughts, I'm an experienced intel overclocker.
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mmm I'm a pretty novice overclocker. My settings are probably quite fucked up...
but it's running pretty stable at 720p 30 fps atm, no jitter at all 120+ frames
so..........uh....yea....
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On August 24 2012 05:27 CatNzHat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 05:22 coL.Minigun wrote:
So uh.....I don't know what happened...and I don't know if it will last...but I'm currently streaming with ~180 fps and very very very ( if any at all) jitter...I reset bios and overclocked everything from start again....but...it seems to be running pretty good atm...
Most likely your RAM timings were off, or you had your memory seriously underclocked. Memory bandwidth usage is pretty crazy when running streams, and when you run out of it, everything has to come to a dead stop to wait for bandwidth to free up. Always gotta check that multipliers and all timings are set properly or you can take so huge performance hits. Depending on the setup you have, it's sometimes more efficient to have slower CPU clock speed and lower RAM frequency to allow tighter memory timings. Just thoughts, I'm an experienced intel overclocker.
So if I had a 2500k @ 4.0 ghz what timings am I looking at then?
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On August 24 2012 05:31 coL.Minigun wrote:
mmm I'm a pretty novice overclocker. My settings are probably quite fucked up...
but it's running pretty stable at 720p 30 fps atm, no jitter at all 120+ frames
so..........uh....yea....
I would say google a guide if you think something would be wrong with the overclock. Usually the guides are good at telling you the right things to change/ and not to change.
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That was 2500k @ 4.0 with 1600 mhz RAM BTW.
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Download dxtory and use it with Xsplit, your fps should be back as it would be without xsplit.
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On August 24 2012 07:36 Ibra wrote:
Download dxtory and use it with Xsplit, your fps should be back as it would be without xsplit.
This ^^
Dxtory will give you the largest performance boost while streaming that is possible without upgrading hardware. Screen region is just plain in-efficient, and no matter your hardware, you will experience some lag. With dxtory you can stream without even noticing it.
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