EPTAnd if you solve it, come back and tell us how. Neither TL or Xsplit has a high troubleshooting rate when it comes to Xsplit issues like this one.
I was able to minimize the feeling with FMLE but I could never really get rid of it.
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Medrea
10003 Posts
And if you solve it, come back and tell us how. Neither TL or Xsplit has a high troubleshooting rate when it comes to Xsplit issues like this one. I was able to minimize the feeling with FMLE but I could never really get rid of it. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20293 Posts
On August 06 2012 10:49 coL.Minigun wrote: yeah I deleted them all Yeah at this point that's the only possible problem that it could be. I'm kinda at a loss of at what else it could be. I REALLY don't think it's just me being sensitive to the jitteryness. If they are dealing with the same amount, they wouldn't be streaming >< You have no idea how much the average gamer doesnt give a fuck about performance | ||
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Medrea
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chroniX
517 Posts
Unfortunately theres not enough competition to make a difference. Xsplit just offers way more features beside just pure streaming. | ||
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maracuja123
Brazil419 Posts
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HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On August 06 2012 11:22 Medrea wrote: Neither TL or Xsplit has a high troubleshooting rate when it comes to Xsplit issues like this one. Well, I have to say I beg to differ. Unless you have read all my posts here and on XSplit's forum, I'd have to say you are wrong. What is your statement based on exactly? Please note, I have not yet actually talked to Minigun Also, I think it's wrong to say only few top gamers stream. | ||
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Jogginghose
Germany9 Posts
I have basically the same setup and same Fps. For me sc2 runs really smoothly as long as I am not using any Flashstuff in my browser. Even the extremely buggy TwitchChat caused me some performance issues. Whatever Browser I am using I cannot watch any Stream/Videos etc while streaming. Try to not watch your own stream  .Best of luck | ||
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Nepsilon
Macedonia160 Posts
I started using Dxtory and it helped me with that problem. When i set Xsplit fps to like 60fps even when i am not broadcasting, the game was having the same issue as you describe. It was the same thing Xsplit being set to 30fps when streaming and my gameplay was simply destroyed. You dont need better PC and you shouldnt buy any hardware upgrades. Its the Xsplit by itself being not well optimized. Rich have mentioned you to try Dxtory. I suggest you to try it as well as it helped me and a lot more other people in this community. I have a guide on TL but i am sure u can do it yourself. Hope it helps. p.s. Try the FPS thing in Xsplit , start streaming once with 30 dps , than make it 10 (regardless of stream quality) and im 1000% sure u will see that on 10 fps in xsplit ur game will go as smoothly as if you have never been streaming. EDIT : I forgot to mention this : Bitrates doesnt matter , at least till 5000-6000 bitrates wont matter your symptoms so all those above comments mentioning it to lower it its false. The biggest impact is the FPS and after that it comes the resolution. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20293 Posts
On August 09 2012 18:55 Nepsilon wrote: Minigun, beside all those settings you have mentioned , the main thing that can cause your symptom is actually the FPS. I started using Dxtory and it helped me with that problem. When i set Xsplit fps to like 60fps even when i am not broadcasting, the game was having the same issue as you describe. It was the same thing Xsplit being set to 30fps when streaming and my gameplay was simply destroyed. You dont need better PC and you shouldnt buy any hardware upgrades. Its the Xsplit by itself being not well optimized. Rich have mentioned you to try Dxtory. I suggest you to try it as well as it helped me and a lot more other people in this community. I have a guide on TL but i am sure u can do it yourself. Hope it helps. p.s. Try the FPS thing in Xsplit , start streaming once with 30 dps , than make it 10 (regardless of stream quality) and im 1000% sure u will see that on 10 fps in xsplit ur game will go as smoothly as if you have never been streaming. EDIT : I forgot to mention this : Bitrates doesnt matter , at least till 5000-6000 bitrates wont matter your symptoms so all those above comments mentioning it to lower it its false. The biggest impact is the FPS and after that it comes the resolution. Capturing at 10fps has less of a performance hit than capturing at 30, thats not news (: Bitrates doesnt matter , at least till 5000-6000 bitrates wont matter your symptoms so all Why 5-6k? It wont matter at any bitrate unless you are livestreaming (not local recording) and have either a problem with your internet, or you have bitrate set higher than your upload bandwidth The biggest impact is the FPS and after that it comes the resolution. Warning: I dont know lots of shit, a lot of guesswork and random math IIRC it should be source resolution multiplied by FPS. 1280x720 ("720p") in game setting being captured at 30fps would be 27.648m pixels per second being captured (1280x720x30) whereas 1920x1080 ("1080p") at 60fps would be 124.461m pixels per second captured (1920x1080x60), so a much bigger gap than most people would think. A ~450% gap between running the game at 1280x720 and capturing at 30fps compared to 1920x1080 (very standard) and capturing at 60, which is what the majority of people do i think when they try to play the game and encode at etc 720p60. I think Asus ROG stream was done like that, with the game set to 1280x720 and captured at 60fps, and if you are having issues with performance hits from xsplit, it might not be the worst idea to try running at 1280x720 and capturing at 30. If you are streaming at 720p or lower, your stream quality wont be affected really at all, but AFAIK xsplit needs to capture 2.25x as much data to be able to produce the same stream if your screen/game resolution is at 1920x1080 instead of 1280x720, even if you are only encoding and/or streaming at lower resolutions because your entire screen has to be captured and that is where most of the performance issues come from AFAIK. Of course the game would look worse for you, but you would still have the same game area to work with, and stuff would just be a little more blurry etc due to lower resolution, definately workable with if it really helps performance. Im not sure of a ton of details on how that would affect performance, but theres stats anyway. Also, the resolution that xsplit is set to, encoding resolution etc doesnt seem to matter at all for me in terms of ingame performance if you have sufficient CPU power to encode at that resolution, fps, preset etc, because you are still capturing the screen at 1920x1080xfps if you are playing the game at 1920x1080, but lowering the resolution of the game and/or monitor seems to massively decrease performance hits for me as there is a lot less information that has to be captured (above stats) | ||
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Nepsilon
Macedonia160 Posts
The problem he has is only because of bad xsplit optimization and that the problem causing thing is the FPS in xsplit. 5-6k is only an example i am giving. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20293 Posts
On August 09 2012 19:06 Nepsilon wrote: Cyro i am saying that EVEN if he is using 5-6k which is needed for perfect 80p he wont have that problem. The problem he has is only because of bad xsplit optimization and that the problem causing thing is the FPS in xsplit. 5-6k is only an example i am giving. I havnt found a program capable of matching xsplit, the performance hits are a bitch but it gives the best results at the lowest bitrates, doesnt crash EVER, is extremely stable and customizable in terms of encoding settings and things like stream overlays, its not at all easy to write software to do what xsplit does. edit: All in my experience | ||
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Nepsilon
Macedonia160 Posts
But for me it was not like that so i had to combine with Dxtory. I had the same issue as Mgun. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272764 | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20293 Posts
On August 09 2012 19:16 Nepsilon wrote: I am very glad that some people can stream only with Xsplit without having any issue that will impact their gaming while using it. But for me it was not like that so i had to combine with Dxtory. I had the same issue as Mgun. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272764 Dxtory helps some but not all and is not a complete fix, most have already explored it | ||
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Nepsilon
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eyehesitate
5 Posts
What resolution do you stream at? What fps are you trying to stream at? Also, lower your resolution that you are streaming at to like...320p or something... if you still experience jitter, it's obvious that it is a software problem somewhere. @Medrea... What are your system specs and do you stream? This guy has more than enough power to stream with no issue.. his cpu benchmarks in the 9000's I do pay a lot of attention to performance...and I promise you wouldn't tell the difference from streaming and not streaming on my rig while playing sc. XSplit is all he needs...eff dxtory ....eff FMLE.... all that other ish. If it were me..i'd consider reinstalling xsplit...video drivers... But like I said... lower your streaming resolution...set xsplit to stream at 30fps....and have sc2 on lowest settings... if you still have jitter...there is a software conflict...NOT a hardware conflict. Honestly, you should be able to stream on high at 720p with no trouble. Hope you figure it out. | ||
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Minigun
619 Posts
On August 10 2012 17:49 eyehesitate wrote: This is some sort of software conflict. I use Phenom II x4 965 @ 3.4ghtz and GTX 550 ti.... your hardware is better than mine and I experience fps in the 70's-100's while streaming....but no jitter. I can't tell that I am streaming. I stream at 720p resolution with 1500 bitrate. All of my other settings are pretty much the same as yours, however my audio bitrate is turned down a little (I could probably go up). What resolution do you stream at? What fps are you trying to stream at? Also, lower your resolution that you are streaming at to like...320p or something... if you still experience jitter, it's obvious that it is a software problem somewhere. @Medrea... What are your system specs and do you stream? This guy has more than enough power to stream with no issue.. his cpu benchmarks in the 9000's I do pay a lot of attention to performance...and I promise you wouldn't tell the difference from streaming and not streaming on my rig while playing sc. XSplit is all he needs...eff dxtory ....eff FMLE.... all that other ish. If it were me..i'd consider reinstalling xsplit...video drivers... But like I said... lower your streaming resolution...set xsplit to stream at 30fps....and have sc2 on lowest settings... if you still have jitter...there is a software conflict...NOT a hardware conflict. Honestly, you should be able to stream on high at 720p with no trouble. Hope you figure it out. trying to stream at 720p 25 fps if I turn the resolution down to the lowest one, the jitter goes away, if I lower the fps to 5, the jittery goes away (for the most part) Maybe it doesn't completely get rid of the jitter, but it helps... so frustrating >< | ||
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eyehesitate
5 Posts
My thing is, your hardware, if functioning properly, should be able to stream no problem. If I can, you can. That's all I'm saying. Also, just thought that I should mention, I turn sc2 graphics down to low. Easier on the processor and I experience no jitter with large battles this way. | ||
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Minigun
619 Posts
On August 11 2012 07:19 eyehesitate wrote: You may have already tried this...but uninstall xsplit... reinstall it... and try streaming at w/e bitrate you choose... 720p, 25fps using screen region with sc in windowed full screen.... and just leave everything else as default. Also, try another game... see if the jitter persists there.. Also, download fraps free version. Try to capture some of your gameplay...see if you feel any jitter while using fraps (fraps is just my personal preference)... just trying to single out xsplit... My thing is, your hardware, if functioning properly, should be able to stream no problem. If I can, you can. That's all I'm saying. Also, just thought that I should mention, I turn sc2 graphics down to low. Easier on the processor and I experience no jitter with large battles this way. have tried uninstalling/reinstalling only using basic settings etc etc no jitter while using fraps and i have 300+ fps while capturing with it, compared to ~120 from xsplit and yeah all my stuff is on low already imo the computer acts a little slow in general, even on other games i feel like it doesn't run them as well as it should could we be looking at a hardware issue? | ||
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eyehesitate
5 Posts
Using fraps is less intensive than using xsplit...but is still pretty intensive. To be honest, there is probably some very small issue somewhere...but it can be like finding a needle in a haystack. If you have the time, you could try re-installing sc2... Before buying new hardware...the easiest, yet time consuming, thing to do is reformat your drive. I mean if that doesn't fix it, there is a hardware issue/conflict. Also, xsplit is sketchy to the point that having something that runs off of flash (say a twitch stream) running in the background while streaming can cause performance issues. With your hardware, as I have said many times, you shouldn't feel a damn thing when streaming. Yes, fps will drop from your normal, but you shouldn't feel annnnything. My advice is to re-install shit... reformat windows if you have to (since you say your entire system feels slow - it shouldn't btw). If you do all that and you still have issues... something isn't tickin' right with your hardware. Hope you figure it out, bro. Btw...try streaming on a friend's rig if you can. You could be just really picky (seriously doubt it though). P.S. I need to stress that you shouldn't feel anything at all while streaming sc2 with the mentioned settings. It is very well possible, however, that you would feel some jitter while streaming something like gta4 (even on low)..at least I do. | ||
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Minigun
619 Posts
On August 11 2012 13:08 eyehesitate wrote: Did you try xsplit with another game? Using fraps is less intensive than using xsplit...but is still pretty intensive. To be honest, there is probably some very small issue somewhere...but it can be like finding a needle in a haystack. If you have the time, you could try re-installing sc2... Before buying new hardware...the easiest, yet time consuming, thing to do is reformat your drive. I mean if that doesn't fix it, there is a hardware issue/conflict. Also, xsplit is sketchy to the point that having something that runs off of flash (say a twitch stream) running in the background while streaming can cause performance issues. With your hardware, as I have said many times, you shouldn't feel a damn thing when streaming. Yes, fps will drop from your normal, but you shouldn't feel annnnything. My advice is to re-install shit... reformat windows if you have to (since you say your entire system feels slow - it shouldn't btw). If you do all that and you still have issues... something isn't tickin' right with your hardware. Hope you figure it out, bro. Btw...try streaming on a friend's rig if you can. You could be just really picky (seriously doubt it though). P.S. I need to stress that you shouldn't feel anything at all while streaming sc2 with the mentioned settings. It is very well possible, however, that you would feel some jitter while streaming something like gta4 (even on low)..at least I do. nothing else is running in the background and yeah I just tried a reformat, same issues mmm so where do i start to try and troubleshoot this | ||
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