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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 14 2014 05:01 GMT
#1701
On December 14 2014 12:10 EngrishTeacher wrote:
What's the cheapest 27+ inch 4K monitor I can get right now? From Toronto, Ontario. I don't care much for color accuracy/contrast levels etc., just need something reliable and cheap. Ty much in advance.

I don't really feel like scouring through every Canadian shop right now, so here are the common models to look for:
Dell P2815Q (warning: 4K at 30 Hz only), Planar IX2850, AOC U2868PQU, ViewSonic VX2880ml, Asus PB287Q (not to be confused with PB278Q and other models), Samsung U28D590D, Lenovo ThinkVision Pro2840m.

Those are all pretty similar except the Dell with the refresh rate limitation. Should all be from the first crop of relatively cheap 28" 4K TN monitors. If the Dell P2715Q is available, that is likely significantly better. The most common and available of the above are probably the P2815Q, PB287Q, and U28D590D.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20323 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-14 15:49:56
December 14 2014 15:43 GMT
#1702


0:50 - 1:00

144hz is 20% higher
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
December 14 2014 19:40 GMT
#1703
On December 14 2014 14:01 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2014 12:10 EngrishTeacher wrote:
What's the cheapest 27+ inch 4K monitor I can get right now? From Toronto, Ontario. I don't care much for color accuracy/contrast levels etc., just need something reliable and cheap. Ty much in advance.

I don't really feel like scouring through every Canadian shop right now, so here are the common models to look for:
Dell P2815Q (warning: 4K at 30 Hz only), Planar IX2850, AOC U2868PQU, ViewSonic VX2880ml, Asus PB287Q (not to be confused with PB278Q and other models), Samsung U28D590D, Lenovo ThinkVision Pro2840m.

Those are all pretty similar except the Dell with the refresh rate limitation. Should all be from the first crop of relatively cheap 28" 4K TN monitors. If the Dell P2715Q is available, that is likely significantly better. The most common and available of the above are probably the P2815Q, PB287Q, and U28D590D.


Found the AOC U2868PQU for 600 on newegg, thanks!
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
December 16 2014 06:49 GMT
#1704
I can't seem to find non-tempered glass (that automatically means glossy right?) versions of the Qx2710 on gmarket...

Anyone able to help me out with what I should be searching for in Korean for 'matte'? 강화유리 = tempered glass

http://search.gmarket.co.kr/search.aspx?page=1&page_size=70&keyword=QX2710&keywordSeq=6287959404&list_type=list&delivery_group_no=&searchType=main&gdlc=100000082&gdmc=&gdsc=&InResult=&PrevKeyword=&exceptKeyword=&tabSearchType=ALL&sortfield=sell_price_asc&IsMileage=&IsDiscount=&IsStamp=&IsOversea=&IsOld=&IsFeeFree=&IsGuild=&IsVisit=&IsGift=&IsWithoutFee=&IsBookcash=&delFee=&TradWay=&OrderType=&PriceStart=241500&PriceEnd=2200000&keywordOrg=&keywordCVT=&keywordCVTi=&SearchClassFormWord=&IsTabSearch=&anchor=list_top_anchor&IsNickName=&IsReturnFeeFree=&IsLotteItem=&IsBrandOnItem=&IsGlobalItem=&IsTpl=&SubdivYN=&inventoryIndex=&categoryType=TS&callFrom=fnOptionSearch&selectedKeyword=&brfd_brand_no=&pp_sell_cust_no=&brandDirectMode=0&plusGoodsCount=0#list_top_anchor
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Masq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1792 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-18 20:41:02
December 18 2014 10:25 GMT
#1705
looking for a 22-24" around $175 CAD, any suggestions?
I saw the P2314H suggested earlier, seems to be around $300 CAD according to Amazon (http://www.amazon.ca/Dell-YDPKC-23-Inch-LED-Lit-Monitor/dp/B00EMB4KVS/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1418898276&sr=1-1&keywords=P2314H)

edit: nevermind, picked up two anyway. ;P
zhengz
Profile Joined December 2014
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-21 16:28:17
December 21 2014 16:27 GMT
#1706
What do you guys think of this monitor? Should I buy it if my price range from 100 to 200 for an IPS.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236335&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14904 Posts
December 28 2014 01:48 GMT
#1707
Posting again. Ordered a rog swift but it is back ordered so I had some extra time to think and read reviews, and they don't look pretty with respect to quality control. Looking at the Qnix 27" again and have some questions about over clocking. From what I've seen only the single input dual dvi monitors can over clock without frame skipping, but the main one available is dual input but claims that it has over clocking without frame skipping
http://m.ebay.com/itm/QNIX-QX2710-LED-Evolution-II-Multi-TRUE10-SE-27-2560x1440-QHD-DVI-HDMI-Monitor-/121362611435

Are they just lying?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20323 Posts
December 28 2014 01:55 GMT
#1708
and they don't look pretty with respect to quality control


Yea i noticed that too. Was seriously considering buying one recently~

dunno about the qnix
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
December 28 2014 03:41 GMT
#1709
I love my 144Hz Asus monitor but sometimes while playing CSGO I feel a little motion sick after playing a really intense deathmatch game.
Feel free to add me on steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/MagnusAskeland/
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20323 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-28 10:42:53
December 28 2014 10:34 GMT
#1710
I do for some first/third person games, but usually when it is something like locked FOV. Shadow of Mordor was 65fov for example and i had to use a memory hack to play it more than an hour or two

CSGO is higher but still locked so if you have a solid 2-3 feet between you and the monitor that shouldn't be an issue, if it's that. Also, strobing can do weird/unexpected things to you if you're not used to it and you're trying to use it
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
January 07 2015 06:49 GMT
#1711
I once used a 26" TV as a monitor, but since upgrading the PC a few years ago, I got a proper 22" PC monitor. They're both depressing now, one being small for a TV and the other being small period. I've narrowed it down to these two. Again, one is a PC and the other a TV.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009HNEBLK/ref=psdc_1292115011_t1_B00B17C5KO

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KVLT0A4/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

I've read some of the warnings about plasma TVs as monitors. However, it appears this TV is not plasma but LED backlit (unless it's both).

I'd like to go with the TV, as it's much larger. I also don't care much about very high resolutions anyway, plus I could use a nice TV. Over the last year, I acquired Netflix and a Wii U as well, so I will have more use for a TV than before. Still, I spend more time gaming on the PC.

Anyway, I am leaning toward the TV, as it would be all-around useful, but it is more expensive. I've read a lot of Amazon reviews and Q & A, but I ask fellow TLers for their opinion. I probably won't check for responses til tomorrow. One thing I'd like to know is if this TV would be less susceptible to burn-in, as it's apparently not a plasma.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14904 Posts
January 13 2015 08:38 GMT
#1712
My x-star DP2710 arrived! Unfortunately I'm halfway across the world so I can't play around with it until next week
Slashiepie
Profile Joined May 2013
107 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 12:01:20
January 18 2015 11:49 GMT
#1713
Hi guys, i have an Asus Gtx 670. I plan to get one TN 144 HZ panel for gaming and one IPS panel for other stuff.
Assuming i use display port and DVI, will my TN be downcapped by my Graphics Card since my IPS will be limited to 60-75HZ ?

What do you guys thing about G-sync? is it worth paying the price for? Im staring at you AOC g2460Pg vs its non gsync equivalent?

And what is to expect from the Acer XB270HU ?
Will we finally get a new era of 144hz IPS's? Then i would me more than willing to wait.

Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20323 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 17:17:43
January 18 2015 17:11 GMT
#1714
Since you're only running the game on one monitor, having a second monitor connected won't affect it at all. If you were to run nvidia surround for exclusive fullscreen of the game across all monitors, you'd be limited to the monitor settings of the weakest link.

Gsync is either amazing and the thing that everybody should be using right now on a pentium g3250 and gtx750, or it's not even noticable depending on who you listen to - so i'm really excited to try it out @30-144hz, but it's hard to say for other people.

The XB270HU looks really nice, due to higher response times on IPS there will be more blur and bleeding between frames. 4ms grey to grey can mean 20ms or even 30ms for some of the harshest transitions (like white to black, iirc) and with a new frame every 6.94ms, that means up to ~4 frames of bleedthrough (so 1 frame of bleedthrough would be seen more often) - it still won't come close to the 144hz tn's, but it might still be awesome.

It IS 1440p 144hz though, so you would need approx ~4.25x as much GPU horsepower to run that as you would run 1080p60 (if you'd tolerate dropping to say 70% of refresh rate on either screen, etc, it's the same proportions).

Since there's no single GPU that powerful, you'd have to either stick to older games, lower settings or get ~SLI 970 to use the refresh rate well. Two way SLI works good most of the time, but alternate frame rendering has the inherent limitation of increasing input lag.

If you had one GPU rendering at 60fps, you'd have the input lag and smoothness of 60fps, but if you had two GPU's and you were rendering at a total of 100fps, you'd have the input lag of 50fps, but the smoothness of 100fps. That's very far from the dream of low latency 144hz@144fps which is a huge reason for buying 144hz for some people. For that reason, i'm very fond of the 1080p144hz tn's (but a faster ips 144hz gsync 1080p might be sweet in the future).

Overall, i think that acer is probably a really sweet monitor but i wouldn't buy it unless i had a pretty monstrous gaming setup (oc'd i5+, sli970) and i didn't care that much for either strobing or input lag. IPS @1440p144 is still awesome.

As a final note, you need a lot of CPU performance to benefit a lot on some games from higher refresh rates. A game that might be more unnoticeably CPU limited on 60hz (ceiling of 70-80fps for example, or dips to 50) can be crippled on a higher refresh rate low input lag setup, where you bring 2.5x stronger graphics but your FPS just doesn't change. I generally recommend a 4690k@overclock to go with them (4.5ghz should be hittable if you can't do 4.6-4.8) with fastish RAM (~2133c9/2400c10 etc can usually be found for like $£10-15 more, and gives ~4-12% FPS gains in several high profile engines like sc2/heroes engine, source and frostbite)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Slashiepie
Profile Joined May 2013
107 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 08:45:31
January 18 2015 18:39 GMT
#1715
Thanks a lot for your very informative answer. It seems like i will wait another year to see where the 144 hz ips go and how G-Sync and F-Sync turn out.

I was thinking about a dual 27'' setup, but i am now gravitating towards a dual 24'' to replace my current dual 22"".
Any suggestions for a nice combination?

For those who didn't read my previous post:

I'm looking for

1 x TN for gaming (AOC G2460Pqu vs ASUS VG248QE getting the AOC G2460pg which is the same as the G2460Pqu but with G-Sync would hurt the budget for the ips, but if someone convinces me... i may...)

1 x IPS for getting stuff done and media consumption. (Suggestions?)
My card is a GTX 670

They have to have Vesa Mounts, since im mounting them to the wall .

So far i've been gravitating towards anything ASUS and or AOC, but im open to suggestions, It's prefectly fine and even encouraged to recommend somewhat older stuff since im ok with buying anything used on ebay.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14904 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 15:38:43
January 20 2015 15:38 GMT
#1716
Got my monitor, overclocked to 96 hz without issue, pushed to 110 without artifacts a well. Looking at what other people clock to, they often look at 85 hz, 96 hz, and then 120 hz as benchmarks. Is there any particular reason why these numbers seem to important? Is there anything between 96 and 120 that would be a good number to hit? I had some absurd artifacts at 120 so that's push it too much, but I could do 110 without problems like I said before

Also this stand is worse than I expected it is a steaming pile of crap
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 16:07:37
January 20 2015 16:06 GMT
#1717
A ratio of 96 or 120 makes video playback at 24fps run properly, there can be issues at other rates

And yes those stands are incrediably garbage
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14904 Posts
January 20 2015 16:46 GMT
#1718
Fair, but for gaming should I just push it closer to the limit then?

I'm looking into installing a new stand this thing wobbles so much it's untenable long term
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
January 20 2015 17:24 GMT
#1719
96 is probably fine, it really depends on what games you play and what GPU you have since aside from CSGO and DotA you're not getting 120hz in very many modern games unless you have like 970SLI or something
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14904 Posts
January 20 2015 17:28 GMT
#1720
I only play dota really. As always I buy shit on steam sales and never play them
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