EPTTeamliquid Monitor Thread - Page 67
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Leeoku
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
HDMI is more common and convenient for use with TVs, consoles, DVD/BD players, etc. Also, if you're switching between multiple sources it can be more convenient to have more input options so you don't need to swap cables. edit: On December 27 2013 03:06 kleurenfilm wrote: Hey! I'm looking for an IPS monitor. I'd like a 24", with great color fidelity (preferrably close to 100% sRGB), at least 1920x1080, for less than 250 euros. I'm considering a Dell 2412M. It is rather old though. Is there anything better out there? For the same price, with better color, better input lag, etc? I'm price checking at http://www.tweakers.net/pricewatch as I'm in Holland. Thanks a lot! The newer P2414H model should be a bit better overall except for being 1920x1080 instead of 1920x1200. None of the better 1920x1200 stuff is under 250 euros. Actually, nothing in that price range is going to be IPS and better than 6bit+AFRC or have better contrast or have better factory calibration or better sRGB coverage (i.e. not W-LED backlighting) than the U2412M. Some may have slightly better input lag and/or pixel responsiveness—meaning less overshooting so less reverse ghosting here, as the U2412M goes a bit too far. | ||
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Leeoku
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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digmouse
China6333 Posts
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TT1
Canada10104 Posts
im assuming it has to be a 15 inch monitor right? edit: the only one i found at a reasonable price is this http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Sony-DELUXEPRO-SDM-X52-15-LCD-Monitor-with-built-in-speakers-/321284659584?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item4ace0ed980&_uhb=1 | ||
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ujonecro
United Kingdom846 Posts
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Acer-S240HLbid-widescreen-monitor-Backlight/dp/B005QVZ79C or http://www.amazon.co.uk/BenQ-GL2450HM-Widescreen-Multimedia-Monitor/dp/B005OPLG0O Thanks in advance. I like that Acer a little more but just because i am not sure about that response time by benq, 2ms seems to good to be true. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
2 ms response time is with the overdrive on, which may or may not look better depending on implementation (see the AMA setting). All of the manufacturer quoted response times are optimistic, to say the least, but 2 ms is codespeak for TN with overdrive, so it does mean something. A slower option for a similar price is the LG IPS234V-PN, which is a similar no-frills option but IPS (as the name indicates) if that is of any interest. If you want a little better motion performance (still hampered by 60 Hz, sample and hold with no strobing, etc. regardless of response times) at the expense of picture quality, the GL2450HM should be okay. | ||
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ujonecro
United Kingdom846 Posts
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drsnuggles
Korea (South)362 Posts
I will be using them for work (no designing stuff, just regular office work), watching movies and of course, gaming (mostly dota2, maybe some SC2). I would be willing to spend around 700$ for both, maybe more if I see a good opportunity to invest a little bit more. Any help would be greatly appreciated  | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
How good it's for SC2? And overall? Delay seems like 5 m/s. Acer 23" TFT G236HLBbd (ET.VG6HE.B03) | ||
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CrankOut
187 Posts
Any suggestions, should I go for a IPS-Panel? Budget is ~200€ Right now I'm thinking of a Dell P2414H, a Dell U2312HM or a LG IPS235P ??? thx edit: well, I got the LG IPS235P and its pretty solid. | ||
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dezi
Germany1536 Posts
i bought a new PC recently and i'm thinking about buying a new TFT, too. My specs: -MSI GTX780OC -4770k -8GB RAM (1600) I'm currently still using my old 226BW (22" Samsung, 2ms TN Panel). I'm not sure whether to buy a 24" or 27" 1080p (1440p will be above the budget i'm willed to spent) as i'm sitting aprox. an armlength away from my TFT. I'm also not sure whether to buy a TN with 120/144Hz or a solid IPS. TFTs that look interesting to me: -Dell U2414H (IPS 60Hz): http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2414h.htm -Benq XL2411T -Asus VG248QE (last two both with 144Hz (TN) and the ability to use Lightboost Hack (CRT)) Looking forward to your input | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Fast TN or good colors/viewing angle IPS is pretty much down to what you want as individual, i could never take IPS, especially a 60hz one. They just don't perform very well in most gaming situations, so you get to look at blurred images with pretty colors | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Looks like U2414H might be able to be run over 60 Hz, like many 60 Hz nominal monitors. Some people got 80 Hz on similar P2414H model on dual-link DVI. See here: http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?s=cdff3e6b64e52ffbd88fd9bae6b78cec&p=1040510310&postcount=68 http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1040585418&postcount=187 IPS color isn't necessarily better, it's just the relative lack of color shifting at different angles (including between viewing straight-on the top of the screen vs. the bottom). Definitely for motion, 120/144Hz is where it's at. Think about how much you're playing games as opposed to other things. Note that all kinds of different display refresh rates and especially strobing can drastically affect image quality and shift colors. Aside from tftcentral and prad.de, also check pcmonitors.info. They've actually reviewed all three options you're looking at: http://pcmonitors.info/reviews/dell-u2414h http://pcmonitors.info/reviews/benq-xl2411t http://pcmonitors.info/reviews/asus-vg248qe | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.blurbusters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/motion-blur-graph.png) ^motion blur introduced just from eye tracking, without strobe backlight the transition times etc are added on top of that - with it, they're mostly or entirely avoided. That, and the amount of motion blur i see on my >vg248qe at 144hz< on stuff like zerglings running on creep with health bars (green on dark background) gives me a bit of confidence on a regular monitor at like 120hz, but not much for them competing in that aspect. It's too big of a difference, i've never even seen an IPS monitor though. | ||
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dezi
Germany1536 Posts
Dell with give me better colors than my current 226BW, slightly bigger screen (24 instead of 22 and 1080p instead of 1050) while keeping the 60Hz i'm somewhat used to as of right now. On top of that the Dell really looks stunning but as you guys also mentioned the higher Hz the Benq offers might be worth the trade-off. But i'm also unsure about the PWM issue - never heard of it before and don't know if my 226BW uses it and whether i can deal with it. @Cyro You said i should wait for the new Gen with out of the Box CRT-style TFTs. But how much will the cost? The new Asus Swift PG278Q looks insane but so does the price. But there'll be 24" 1080p 120Hz TFTs that are actually payable? | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Most monitors should have PWM-based backlight dimming, but most people don't notice the effect. Also, the effect isn't as strong on older monitors with flourescent backlighting, as that doesn't turn on and off (close to) instantly like LED backlights do. There are various ways to tell. For starters, you can try checking this page: http://www.testufo.com/#test=blurtrail Look at it at 100% brightness and then turn brightness all the way down. If at lower brightness it looks like some of the trails have disappeared or are relatively fainter in an uneven manner (one bright, next dim, the next bright, etc.) then it has PWM-based backlight dimming. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
On February 14 2014 02:28 dezi wrote: Thanks to both of you and esp. thanks for the link to pcmonitors.info, didn't knew this page before. After reading through the tests there i'm torn between the Dell and the Benq (to be used with Lighthack) or just waiting like you (Cyro) said. Dell with give me better colors than my current 226BW, slightly bigger screen (24 instead of 22 and 1080p instead of 1050) while keeping the 60Hz i'm somewhat used to as of right now. On top of that the Dell really looks stunning but as you guys also mentioned the higher Hz the Benq offers might be worth the trade-off. But i'm also unsure about the PWM issue - never heard of it before and don't know if my 226BW uses it and whether i can deal with it. @Cyro You said i should wait for the new Gen with out of the Box CRT-style TFTs. But how much will the cost? The new Asus Swift PG278Q looks insane but so does the price. But there'll be 24" 1080p 120Hz TFTs that are actually payable? Native Gsync/ULMB monitors are replacing everything across the board, like the vg248qe. The higher end stuff like the ROG swift are entirely new and optional. You're supposed to be able to pick a game and say like - Gsync for playing sc2, or switch to an FPS game that performs decently and throw strobe mode on - They both seem to be awesome (i have not seen g-sync personally) but it's a big technical challenge to use a strobe backlight on a variable refresh rate monitor without creating a lot of issues, so right now it's one or the other (with a hardware switch?) Most monitors should have PWM-based backlight dimming, but most people don't notice the effect. This has been talked about some and these g-sync/ulmb monitors are supposed to be essentially pwm free, or at least modded vg248qe (which is not the same as native gsync version!) has imperceptible PWM in always-on backlight display mode There's no PWM dimming with strobe, they just flash the backlight on for less time to lower percieved brightness It's yet to be seen what they will cost, but i'd expect a native 1080p gsync/ulmb at like 300 euro.. ROG swift is definitely shooting at waaaaay higher (1440p gsync/ulmb 120hz+) @Cyro You said i should wait for the new Gen with out of the Box CRT-style TFTs. But how much will the cost? The new Asus Swift PG278Q looks insane but so does the price. But there'll be 24" 1080p 120Hz TFTs that are actually payable? If you're looking at ~120hzTN, the current ones will be obsolete and replaced in months (to my understanding), if you're looking at like 1440p IPS there's little new coming there AFAIK | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
I mean, the point of strobing is to not show anything at parts of each cycle, so that means turning on and off the backlight, which is exactly the thing people are talking about. Okay, some mechanisms like Eizo's may do two strobes per 120 Hz refresh, but the principle of rapidly blinking on and off has been done in the CRT days, on all kinds of displays, computer monitors, etc. A lot of those dot-matrix displays on old HT equipment, calculators, vending machines, etc. are multiplexed and actually flashing rapidly. For whatever reason more people are paying attention to it for computer monitors these days. Maybe for marketing and to sell new product, though (again) there are people who seem to see it and are definitely affected. | ||
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