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On February 22 2012 16:24 HellGreen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 14:39 zeroISM wrote:
My CPU usage while streaming is around 40% normal and 70% while bug battles occur.
My FPS doesn't go below 90 while streaming, even on 200 food battles over creep.
The problem is that I didn't change anything from THEN and NOW. The only thing I can think of is the updated versions of the programs: XSplit and DxTory both updated since I made that first video.
Personally, I think it's XSplit fault, because when I check the output on Xsplit, the graphics look fine and smooth; but when I open the stream on my other PC to check the quality, it's choppy like that.
Okay, so cpu and fps looks fine. To determine whether XSplit is at fault, try doing a local recording (use same stream settings for preset, bitrate, audio etc). I just have a feeling that the issue is related to your selected stream location. This would explain why it has changed without your doing. The server you stream could very likely be congested. This of course varies with time/popularity/etc, but you can test this by doing a 'bandwidth test' in your channel settings.
Thanks again for replying.
As dumb as this may sound, I had only to check "Let XSplit disable Aero Theme" for the smoothness to come back! So my problem is solved now! :D
Check it out: http://www.twitch.tv/z32o/b/309391962 (@1:10)
So, for everyone that has normal FPS while playing, and normal CPU load, and is still getting stutter lag, or some kind of choppiness be sure to check "Let XSplit disable Aero Theme" in XSplit's settings.
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Dear Hellgreen,
I hope you can assist me as well.
First a bit of info, my pc:
i7-2600k
Radeon 6950->6970 mod.
4GB Ram.
0.8MB Upload.
Desktop Res: 1920x1200.
Stream Res: 960*600.
I know eventually what really sets me back is the upload, but, I've read this thread, and I've seen the 0.6MB Results.
I'm having trouble achieving those myself.
I've tried to follow OP's guides, and read your little comments about making a new presentation...
And havent gain any proper results, I feel like I still get pixelization pretty much at the same level Screen Capture gives me.
For a bit on my settings in Xsplit:
Video: Res: 960x600. Quality 8, Preset: Medium, 25 FPS, VBV Max Bitrate 650, VBV 700.
Sound: 44KHz 16 bit stereo, AAC codec, 64000 bitrate.
I think that by what I've seen in this thread that I'll be able to stream in 720p at least.
Any suggestion what am I doing wrong?
Thx in Advance, Roy.
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@iSneak
I sure will try to help. 
You're right that you are limited only by your upload speed. I'm happy to see most of your settings are well thought through, like the preset. But you can only do so much with the preset when it comes to quality. Ultimately you need more bitrate to achieve a 720p. It's commonly accepted that you need 1800-2000 kbps for a decent 720p, and it will even use 4000 if available.
So I really must advice you to lower your stream to 480p or 540p. Secondly drop the quality setting from 8 to 4, otherwise you risk stream lag spikes due to the bitrate randomly going higher than what you have available - the 'max' in 'vbv max bitrate' is not literally meant, and the quality setting is not a "stream quality" control per se (more like a secondary bitrate variable).
I don't quite understand this sentence: "And havent gain any proper results, I feel like I still get pixelization pretty much at the same level Screen Capture gives me.". What do you mean by 'Screen Capture' and what are you comparing it to?
But yeah, I think you just need to re-adjust your expectations. If you look at the video's in the OP, they look great, but if you look closely during fast paced scrolling etc, they do blur due to the low bitrate.
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@Hellgreen
I find the situation a bit funny, I might have understood stuff wrong, but aint the idea of DXtory, or this thread in general to be able to stream in 720p using a low bitrate? is the use of DXtory is even necessary? The idea of lowering the resolution even more hurts my heart. 
How does the thread opener able to stream with 720p, with a 500k upload bitrate?
That's what I ment when I've said I expected similar results, I understand pixelization will happen, but I expect getting less pixelization when I use DXtory, same as even other people in this thread. streaming 720p, low bandwidth, and almost no pixelization.
Did I make my intentions more clear now?
I'll upload some stream comparison later, thanks in advance!
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On February 26 2012 02:07 iSneak wrote:@Hellgreen I find the situation a bit funny, I might have understood stuff wrong, but aint the idea of DXtory, or this thread in general to be able to stream in 720p using a low bitrate? is the use of DXtory is even necessary? The idea of lowering the resolution even more hurts my heart. How does the thread opener able to stream with 720p, with a 500k upload bitrate? That's what I ment when I've said I expected similar results, I understand pixelization will happen, but I expect getting less pixelization when I use DXtory, same as even other people in this thread. streaming 720p, low bandwidth, and almost no pixelization. Did I make my intentions more clear now? I'll upload some stream comparison later, thanks in advance!
Hi there,
the whole idea of using DxTory is to greatly reduce input and hardware lag, because when you use only XSplit to capture your screen, it will reduce your framerates and make the game choppy. While using DxTory to capture instead, and XSplit only to stream it for the servers, you get smoothness both on your game while you are playing and on your stream.
Now that we have a Test Bandwidth option on XSplit, you can try to mess around with the bitrate and vbv buffer of your stream. First, try setting your vbv buffer to 1/2 of your bitrate and check if you get dropped frames on the test. If green light appears, keep making vbv buffer higher while testing until it reaches the same of your bitrate.
Hope this helps.
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On February 26 2012 10:08 zeroISM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 02:07 iSneak wrote:@Hellgreen I find the situation a bit funny, I might have understood stuff wrong, but aint the idea of DXtory, or this thread in general to be able to stream in 720p using a low bitrate? is the use of DXtory is even necessary? The idea of lowering the resolution even more hurts my heart. How does the thread opener able to stream with 720p, with a 500k upload bitrate? That's what I ment when I've said I expected similar results, I understand pixelization will happen, but I expect getting less pixelization when I use DXtory, same as even other people in this thread. streaming 720p, low bandwidth, and almost no pixelization. Did I make my intentions more clear now? I'll upload some stream comparison later, thanks in advance! Hi there, the whole idea of using DxTory is to greatly reduce input and hardware lag, because when you use only XSplit to capture your screen, it will reduce your framerates and make the game choppy. While using DxTory to capture instead, and XSplit only to stream it for the servers, you get smoothness both on your game while you are playing and on your stream. Now that we have a Test Bandwidth option on XSplit, you can try to mess around with the bitrate and vbv buffer of your stream. First, try setting your vbv buffer to 1/2 of your bitrate and check if you get dropped frames on the test. If green light appears, keep making vbv buffer higher while testing until it reaches the same of your bitrate. Hope this helps.
I am actually really confused right now.
DXtory actually has a negative impact on my in-game performance, while I have exact same video output quality.
And why would I want to set my bitrate to 1/2 and then only rise from there? Logically that doesnt make sense.
When do I stop? when I get to my max bitrate? then I should put it on that bitrate from the beginning anyway.
I might go the opposite way. start from max bitrate and go down from there till I get yellow light.
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On February 26 2012 13:55 iSneak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 10:08 zeroISM wrote:On February 26 2012 02:07 iSneak wrote:@Hellgreen I find the situation a bit funny, I might have understood stuff wrong, but aint the idea of DXtory, or this thread in general to be able to stream in 720p using a low bitrate? is the use of DXtory is even necessary? The idea of lowering the resolution even more hurts my heart. How does the thread opener able to stream with 720p, with a 500k upload bitrate? That's what I ment when I've said I expected similar results, I understand pixelization will happen, but I expect getting less pixelization when I use DXtory, same as even other people in this thread. streaming 720p, low bandwidth, and almost no pixelization. Did I make my intentions more clear now? I'll upload some stream comparison later, thanks in advance! Hi there, the whole idea of using DxTory is to greatly reduce input and hardware lag, because when you use only XSplit to capture your screen, it will reduce your framerates and make the game choppy. While using DxTory to capture instead, and XSplit only to stream it for the servers, you get smoothness both on your game while you are playing and on your stream. Now that we have a Test Bandwidth option on XSplit, you can try to mess around with the bitrate and vbv buffer of your stream. First, try setting your vbv buffer to 1/2 of your bitrate and check if you get dropped frames on the test. If green light appears, keep making vbv buffer higher while testing until it reaches the same of your bitrate. Hope this helps. I am actually really confused right now. DXtory actually has a negative impact on my in-game performance, while I have exact same video output quality. And why would I want to set my bitrate to 1/2 and then only rise from there? Logically that doesnt make sense. When do I stop? when I get to my max bitrate? then I should put it on that bitrate from the beginning anyway. I might go the opposite way. start from max bitrate and go down from there till I get yellow light.
Hi there, happy birthday!
It is strange that DxTory negatively affects your ingame performance. There must be any setting that you've mislooked or forgot to set. This was the case with my video output stuttering and it was an option on XSplit that I forgot to check.
I was telling for you to set the Vbv buffer to half of your bitrate, not the other way around. If you have let's say a 1mb/s upload, you could try 0.8x the value or your bitrate, which would be 800kbps and try setting the vbv buffer to half of it, in this case 400kbps.
The problem with pixelation is purely because your upload is slow  to get a clear 720p going you should go with 2000kbps minimum.
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Hello! My stream has worked perfectly on a very good quality, the only problem is that I do not know how to get sound! They can hear when I talk through the mic, but not the in-game and/or my music. How do I fix this? I've tried to find it on DXtory, without success! Would appreciate help! :D
Still a fantastic guide to get a stream working tho
//Oliver,
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On February 27 2012 22:06 Duggibobo wrote:
Hello! My stream has worked perfectly on a very good quality, the only problem is that I do not know how to get sound! They can hear when I talk through the mic, but not the in-game and/or my music. How do I fix this? I've tried to find it on DXtory, without success! Would appreciate help! :D
Still a fantastic guide to get a stream working tho
//Oliver,
DXTory doesn't affect/control audio - it only grabs the video. Your issue is described well on the XSplit forums - in short you need to make sure that all your audio (mic excluded) goes through the default sound device (see Control Panel - Sound). If your game use a different device than the default it won't get picked up by XSplit.
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On February 26 2012 02:07 iSneak wrote:@Hellgreen I find the situation a bit funny, I might have understood stuff wrong, but aint the idea of DXtory, or this thread in general to be able to stream in 720p using a low bitrate? is the use of DXtory is even necessary? The idea of lowering the resolution even more hurts my heart. How does the thread opener able to stream with 720p, with a 500k upload bitrate? That's what I ment when I've said I expected similar results, I understand pixelization will happen, but I expect getting less pixelization when I use DXtory, same as even other people in this thread. streaming 720p, low bandwidth, and almost no pixelization. Did I make my intentions more clear now? I'll upload some stream comparison later, thanks in advance!
As zeroISM already mentioned DXTory is just a frame grabber. The way it does it is particularly well working (compared to other methods) and reduces input lag etc, but it does not improve stream quality or do anything that requires less bitrate (on default settings). I actually kind of challenge Nepsilon (the author of the thread) on this in the beginning of the thread. So I guess the OP is kind of misleading on that topic. To be fair, DXTory can be set up to record locally and during that use a filter to compress the input.
The OP can stream 720p @500 kbps, and so can you, but it will never look as good as someone with 2000 kbps. As I said before, the videos in the OP bare clear marks of lack of bitrate if you look closely.
As for the buffer advice zeroISM gives, I don't agree at all. Buffer is mainly a factor that matters on the viewer side. Due to the way Flash player works it is advised to use a buffer of 1-2 times the bitrate. Anything else doesn't really make sense and is either discarded or just a waste.
The "problem" with streaming is that there is no one setting that works for all, and due to the amount of parameters to set, once in a while a person calls out a miracle solution that fixes everything (ie. "use 1/4 buffer size!!"). But if you really do the investigation it is 99/100 times merely a placebo effect.
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How to get rid of the HUGE Dxtory.com logo? o.o
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On February 28 2012 05:30 Josh_rakoons wrote:
How to get rid of the HUGE Dxtory.com logo? o.o
Pay for the program.
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On February 27 2012 22:06 Duggibobo wrote:
Hello! My stream has worked perfectly on a very good quality, the only problem is that I do not know how to get sound! They can hear when I talk through the mic, but not the in-game and/or my music. How do I fix this? I've tried to find it on DXtory, without success! Would appreciate help! :D
Still a fantastic guide to get a stream working tho
//Oliver,
If you are using windows 7 or vista, right click on your speaker on the bottom right taskbar, and go to recording devices. Right click in the window in an open area, and make sure both show disabled/disconnected devices are checked, if not check both of them and look for stereo mix, enable it and you should be all set.
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On February 28 2012 05:30 Josh_rakoons wrote:
How to get rid of the HUGE Dxtory.com logo? o.o
You should probably pay for the program if you want it to go away, but you could try screen capping the portion of your screen to cover the Dxtory.com watermark with a smaller screen region. Thus recording the top ~256 pixels of your screen and leaving the rest to Dxtory.
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I've thought about trying to stream, just for shits and giggles, and I think my computer can handle it. HOWEVER, my internet is more shit than what comes out of a goat's rear end.
i5 2500
GTX 560 Ti
8GB RAM
Windows 7 64bit
and without further ado, the internet so bad, that 96% of Norway has better:
![[image loading]](http://www.speedtest.net/result/1800926839.png)
Now, is there any chance in hell I can get this piece of crap to stream?
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 28 2012 09:33 Aocowns wrote:I've thought about trying to stream, just for shits and giggles, and I think my computer can handle it. HOWEVER, my internet is more shit than what comes out of a goat's rear end. i5 2500 GTX 560 Ti 8GB RAM Windows 7 64bit and without further ado, the internet so bad, that 96% of Norway has better: Now, is there any chance in hell I can get this piece of crap to stream?
Yes, it's POSSIBLE. But awful quality. IMO not even worth it.
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On February 28 2012 09:37 Josh_rakoons wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 28 2012 09:33 Aocowns wrote:I've thought about trying to stream, just for shits and giggles, and I think my computer can handle it. HOWEVER, my internet is more shit than what comes out of a goat's rear end. i5 2500 GTX 560 Ti 8GB RAM Windows 7 64bit and without further ado, the internet so bad, that 96% of Norway has better: Now, is there any chance in hell I can get this piece of crap to stream? Yes, it's POSSIBLE. But awful quality. IMO not even worth it.
How awful are we talking about here?
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On February 28 2012 09:39 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 09:37 Josh_rakoons wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 28 2012 09:33 Aocowns wrote:I've thought about trying to stream, just for shits and giggles, and I think my computer can handle it. HOWEVER, my internet is more shit than what comes out of a goat's rear end. i5 2500 GTX 560 Ti 8GB RAM Windows 7 64bit and without further ado, the internet so bad, that 96% of Norway has better: Now, is there any chance in hell I can get this piece of crap to stream? Yes, it's POSSIBLE. But awful quality. IMO not even worth it. How awful are we talking about here?
Pretty much unwatchable by any viewer. If you just wanna stream for friends, this will be pretty bad but i'm sure they can survive, for the other people, they will not stay long.
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So we're talking like 240p here?
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On February 28 2012 09:56 Aocowns wrote:
So we're talking like 240p here?
I think we're talking about choosing between playing with no lag or playing and streaming while disconnecting a bunch.
Many online games require at least 128kbps upload to even play the game, so you would have something like 50kbps for your stream, unfortunately.
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