On behalf of all the people who have problems with streaming, (Whenever its the Ingame problem or Stream problem) I have decided to make this ultimate guide covering as much as i can.
I will be covering stuff in sections that will be easier for you to find the info you need. This is a video guide , actually my 1st one and please do not mind my english accent and everything else including. I have learned my english through playing WoW and i am not sure how good it is.
But first of all , my story ...
One full month i have been working on setting the Xsplit to not make my game choppy and laggy. I spent 6-7 hours per day with no results at all. Every single setting i have tested out didnt worked for me. That was until i found out the problem. Xsplit is in beta version and i am quite aware of the fact its not working the same on every single PC configuration. I posted in Xsplit forums 1 month ago and i had 0 reply from their staff (gj keeping your community Xsplit) and as well i have read thousands of guides that didnt helped me at all. For a moment i thought that my PC is actually crap and cant stream even 480p. But that wasnt the case.
As i am quite sure there are many people having problem with Xsplit , making their game unplayable and choppy while they having some extremely good CPUs and Upload speed to handle even 1080p resolution without a problem.It is frustrating , isnt it ?
Well the whole problem lies in the Screen Source.Some PC configurations dont have any problems with it but as i saw many others do. Even guys with i7 2500k processors having that problem is ridicules. Whenever i was adding a screen region and setting my Xsplit FPS above 15 i had unberable choppy / laggy game performance which i was very much frustrated. Anything below 15 FPS for me was making my game very smooth , but who would like to watch 15 fps stream for more than 10 minutes ?
Well if you are one of those people who have this particular problem than you are on the right place to solve it out.
1. Solving your Issue.
Nothing that you will try to do in Xsplit will solve the current issue you have. Only way to fix it is using another program for screen output such as Dxtory. I have tried VHScreen capture but it gave me the same results just like using Xsplit by itself so i throw it away. Dxtory is paid program but you can get it for a free trial version and you can check it out. I can guarantee you that if you have this problem that i had , you wont have it anymore with this program.
2. Setting Dxtory.
Dxtory is a program that has a lot of options to set and it is allowing you to use it as an output to another program and/or local record your game. Take in mind that Dxtory will not screen capture your Desktop but only your games. I will later on cover how you can stream with Dxtory+Xsplit and still get the Desktop while streaming.
Here is a video explanation of what you need to do so you can set it up.
3.Getting Dxtory working on Xsplit
4. Setting Xsplit regarding your PC configuration and Upload speed.
5. Capturing your Desktop while using Dxtory and adding webcam in the screen.
My PC configuration : i5 760 lyn 3.6 OC MB p55 4gb mushkin 1600 HD5770 1024 ddr5
My upload speed :
Tested to Twitch tv server
Tested to my provider server
Pretty bad Upload right ? A lot of people will say that i wont stream at all with this upload speed. Well i can and as well check the stream quality of my stream and wonder how it is possible.
Finally the end :
Thank you for reading my guide and i hope it helped many people. If you have any questions regarding this feel free to ask me here or PM me.
Also I know a lot of people that learned English via video games - in my old guild back in Burning Crusade one of my best friends in guild was in Brazil (HUEHUEHUEHUE) and he learned something like 90% of his English from WoW.
I might have to re-set my stream up when I get home and see if I can't get better rates out of it.
Once I used dxtory instead of Screen Capture I had around 20 FPS compared to 80 with XSplits default capture method. The 20 not even streaming just running the programs.
On October 08 2011 00:39 Flaiker wrote: Once I used dxtory instead of Screen Capture I had around 20 FPS compared to 80 with XSplits default capture method. The 20 not even streaming just running the programs.
Than i am quite sure you have Local recording turned on. It might be that one if you have slow HDD.
Hm I thought I turned it off. But the program layout is very strange and has no save button or anything, so you can't really tell when they are applied and some change back to what they were before?(!) I don't really have a problem with XSplit, I can stream 420p with 1 MB/s upload (which I thought was low when I read all the stream posts with like 20 up xD) but now that I see your upload and your quality I thought I could optimize it even more. Also I really like the feature of only showing the game and not the desktop when you tab out. I know it's in the paid XSplit version, but not sure if it's worth it and Dxstory can do it and remove some lag. Gonna play a bit around with it later. What I hate though is you can't save your old "working" settings in XSplit and need to take screenshots of everything -_-
On October 08 2011 01:52 Flaiker wrote: Hm I thought I turned it off. But the program layout is very strange and has no save button or anything, so you can't really tell when they are applied and some change back to what they were before?(!) I don't really have a problem with XSplit, I can stream 420p with 1 MB/s upload (which I thought was low when I read all the stream posts with like 20 up xD) but now that I see your upload and your quality I thought I could optimize it even more. Also I really like the feature of only showing the game and not the desktop when you tab out. I know it's in the paid XSplit version, but not sure if it's worth it and Dxstory can do it and remove some lag. Gonna play a bit around with it later. What I hate though is you can't save your old "working" settings in XSplit and need to take screenshots of everything -_-
Well you wont be able to achieve the quality that i have with that low upload only using xsplit. If you bump the resolution a lot and increase the quality you will probably get your stream to be lagging. Just see for yourself and hopefully it`ll work. Take care
Very nice guide for those who want to spend the extra dollar on a 3rd party screen capture devices such as DXTory.
I just want to mention that the XSplit people are working in the background to implement their improved capture method called GameSource, and that the other alternative SCFH is free. Still, I think you've done a good job explaining how to setup DXTory.
But the essence of it all, using another capture driver can be good, isn't really breaking news and is already included in R1CH's streaming guide:
Most screen capture options such as XSplit's internal capture and VHScrCap use a significant amount of CPU and rely on GDI which causes your game to lag even if your CPU isn't near maximum. The best option by far is to use DXTory which rips the screen directly out of your video card after it has been rendered by intercepting DirectX calls. This has almost zero overhead associated with it, however DXTory is not free - it will set you back around $50 Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=220584
On October 08 2011 02:30 Nepsilon wrote: No not at all i think its the same , it should be the same actually.I just can not get the same quality with xsplit i dont know why really.
I'm skeptical why there would be a difference (I'm assuming we're talking about pure picture quality, not stream lag, input lag, ingame fps drops or similar that affects the overall experience). You're sure its not just a placebo effect? It should be the same. However, the resources you free up by using DXTory, could potentially be used in conjunction with better codec settings and thus providing a better end result.
DXtory just captures the screen and sends it to XSplit, it doesn't alter the pixels in any way. With or without DXTory, XSplit still does the compression and all that affects the quality. As I said, the only way I can explain a better output would be because XSplit have slightly more resources available.
Edit: Could you provide a download link for the DXTory you use? I think that would fit nice in the OP. :-)
Well you might be right on that one , i havent thought about why the quality of when i use dxtory is better than the xplit by itself currently for my configuration but you have a very interesting point. Its not a placebo effect since i was actually testing them out. The one difference that i saw in lower qualities was the text in dxtory output was worser than xsplit itself but at 720p the overall quality and the text got the same in dxtory and xsplit.
wow your upload's just as bad as mine but your quality is so good o_o. thought that type of quality was only for 1.5 mb +. Might have to start using dxtory lol.
I am running it on Windowed(Fullscreen) and i mentioned that one on the videos , as well i explained what happened once u click F12 , that those numbers up left you have instead of green will go orange.
If nothing is shown while you are in starcraft than please do try to set a profile in dxtory if the program didnt made one it self , but it should actually..
On October 09 2011 12:43 blade55555 wrote: wow your upload's just as bad as mine but your quality is so good o_o. thought that type of quality was only for 1.5 mb +. Might have to start using dxtory lol.
Well that was what i wanted to explain to HellGreen , I never could reach the same quality with using only Xsplit and i am still not sure why but nevertheless i am happy to be streaming with a better one beside the fact i am using it to fix my problem ingame.
I don't see the dxtory.com banner in your videos, so I assume you bought DXTroy. My question is, did you also buy XSplit yet? I'm very curious as to your experiences with GameSource because that should theoretically give the same result. I'm also interested in your point of view on spending 50+40 dollars relative to the results/experiences with GameSource, if any.
Also in your video when you show the FPS difference between "ordinary screen regions" and the DXTory cam, you don't show the same conditions - you only show the true FPS for DXTory (minimizing the capture software you use, as that is holding back the FPS). Just wondering if that gives a true picture of the real difference?
Inspired by your guide, I chose to go ahead and retry DXTory myself. (I've tried an earlier version once a awhile ago). However - again this time - I did not get the results you got though. I got the same quality and FPS as with pure XSplit. My cpu is an i7 920 (~20% faster than your's at stock frequency, so about the same?) and I have 2 Mbit/s upload doing a 720p stream. I realize our difference in upload, so my next tests will encompass 1 Mbit/s stream conditions. Can you please remind me your desktop plus stream resolutions (I checked the video but didn't find it, sry if I missed it)? I suppose my initial findings, can be attributed to the variance in our computer's hardware/software. I noticed you gave out guarantees in your guide though (just kidding)
Also, I too - like some of the above posters - had problems getting DXTory started on F12, as well as get a live picture on the DXTory Cam in XSplit. I solved it by restarting SC2 even though it got hooked fine in DXTory (it showed up in the list). Also I had success with starting DXTory while adding it as a cam in XSplit (if paused, no live picture would show). And once DXTory crashed on me forgetting all the settings I had set up. It took me a few tries to figure out the best startup order for each of the three programs - maybe that was an idea for an update to your guide
Finally, if I may suggest, when several people (as in this thread) have the same problem after following the guide, quote that problem in the guide (the OP) and provide a polite answer next to it. Same with my suggestion to link the reader to where to download DXTory
Edit: As mentioned above I had trouble getting DXTory to perform like described. It wasn't until I made a "New presentation" this clearing all current scenes/regions/banners and so on, that I was able to get it right. I have no idea what exactly kept it from running as intended, as I already had tried to disable (not delete) *everything* in the scenes. Secondly, I found this to be the optimum start up order: 1. DXTory (wait for the trial count down to hit 0) 2. Start SC2 3. Enable DXTory (F12) 4. Start XSplit
PS. Under no circumstance change your desktop resolution or SC2 window mode while DXTory/XSplit are running (this caused both apps to hang).
On October 09 2011 19:41 Nepsilon wrote: I am running it on Windowed(Fullscreen) and i mentioned that one on the videos , as well i explained what happened once u click F12 , that those numbers up left you have instead of green will go orange.
If nothing is shown while you are in starcraft than please do try to set a profile in dxtory if the program didnt made one it self , but it should actually..
I am talking about this :
I have the same settings as you and did everything you did in your videos, but when I'm in SC2 and hit F12, the green numbers just stay green. The profile in Dxtory is set to SC2.exe.
On October 10 2011 00:49 K-Oicks wrote: I have the same settings as you and did everything you did in your videos, but when I'm in SC2 and hit F12, the green numbers just stay green. The profile in Dxtory is set to SC2.exe.
Try hitting F12 while the DXTory window is highlighted - that's what I did. In theory if some other application is "listening" for F12 it can get picked up by that. You could test this out by changing the short-cut in DXTory settings .
On October 10 2011 00:49 K-Oicks wrote: I have the same settings as you and did everything you did in your videos, but when I'm in SC2 and hit F12, the green numbers just stay green. The profile in Dxtory is set to SC2.exe.
Try hitting F12 while the DXTory window is highlighted - that's what I did. In theory if some other application is "listening" for F12 it can get picked up by that. You could test this out by changing the short-cut in DXTory settings .
Still nothing. Changed the hotkey to multiple things and still won't record. :'(
On October 10 2011 00:49 K-Oicks wrote: I have the same settings as you and did everything you did in your videos, but when I'm in SC2 and hit F12, the green numbers just stay green. The profile in Dxtory is set to SC2.exe.
Try hitting F12 while the DXTory window is highlighted - that's what I did. In theory if some other application is "listening" for F12 it can get picked up by that. You could test this out by changing the short-cut in DXTory settings .
Still nothing. Changed the hotkey to multiple things and still won't record. :'(
Nothing else i can think of but these 2 things for right now :
1. Try running as administrator / run sc2 in fullscreen and click f12 see if the green fps numbers change to orange.
2. By default if you run dxtory while you dont have anything set for recording , go in Target / the 1st icon in dxtory and see if it is like this : (note : It shouldnt have loaded anything and have to be all blank just like on the picture)
And whenever you start a game eg. Sc2 your Dxtory should attach to it and you should get something like this (see pic below)
If you have other apps and you see Dxtory hooked on them , just ignore them out.
Hope this helps otherwise im gonna have to figure this problem a bit more deeply.
On October 10 2011 00:23 HellGreen wrote: I don't see the dxtory.com banner in your videos, so I assume you bought DXTroy. My question is, did you also buy XSplit yet? I'm very curious as to your experiences with GameSource because that should theoretically give the same result. I'm also interested in your point of view on spending 50+40 dollars relative to the results/experiences with GameSource, if any.
Also in your video when you show the FPS difference between "ordinary screen regions" and the DXTory cam, you don't show the same conditions - you only show the true FPS for DXTory (minimizing the capture software you use, as that is holding back the FPS). Just wondering if that gives a true picture of the real difference?
Inspired by your guide, I chose to go ahead and retry DXTory myself. (I've tried an earlier version once a awhile ago). However - again this time - I did not get the results you got though. I got the same quality and FPS as with pure XSplit. My cpu is an i7 920 (~20% faster than your's at stock frequency, so about the same?) and I have 2 Mbit/s upload doing a 720p stream. I realize our difference in upload, so my next tests will encompass 1 Mbit/s stream conditions. Can you please remind me your desktop plus stream resolutions (I checked the video but didn't find it, sry if I missed it)? I suppose my initial findings, can be attributed to the variance in our computer's hardware/software. I noticed you gave out guarantees in your guide though (just kidding)
Also, I too - like some of the above posters - had problems getting DXTory started on F12, as well as get a live picture on the DXTory Cam in XSplit. I solved it by restarting SC2 even though it got hooked fine in DXTory (it showed up in the list). Also I had success with starting DXTory while adding it as a cam in XSplit (if paused, no live picture would show). And once DXTory crashed on me forgetting all the settings I had set up. It took me a few tries to figure out the best startup order for each of the three programs - maybe that was an idea for an update to your guide
Finally, if I may suggest, when several people (as in this thread) have the same problem after following the guide, quote that problem in the guide (the OP) and provide a polite answer next to it. Same with my suggestion to link the reader to where to download DXTory
No i still havent bought Xsplit i mentioned in the video but its not a problem. About the GameSource since Xsplit is still in Beta for some people its working better but for some isnt. I have seen many threads for it and its not making me to preorder Xsplit so i can test it out. I am fine on the current settings until i receive my 40/40 up/down Mbps internet.
About the difference in FPS i really couldnt show in the video since i was using Camtasia to get it done and Camtasia itself was making me problems in game ,the game was choppy when i was explaining but the difference is very big. I have even made Xsplit to make my game run on ~90 fps (only xsplit screen region/ no dxtory) but my game was choppy and lagging a lot even with that much fps. Believe me , the difference is unbelievable at least for me , when im using Dxtory i am not feeling a slight difference between streaming and not streaming at the moment. But with Xsplit it was nightmare. As i said there might be people that wont feel ingame that they are streaming even without Dxtory but for me unfortunately it wasnt like that.
As for my resolution , My monitor is Samsung t220 (WCG official monitors for some time in the past) its 22 inch and the resolution is 1680x1050. I have the same resolution on Dxtory while 720p on xsplit. I have the keep aspect ration turned on so it wont stretch the screen to reduce the quality.
And yes thank you for the idea i will implement some more things in the beginning post , some FAQ maybe or i dont know , i will think whats the best.
My setting on dxtory was exactly the same as Nepsilon because I have the same resolution as him on desktop. My setting on xsplit was 1280x720 - 30fps - Quality 10 - 2000bitrate and 2000 buffer.
Can you suggest me anything I can do Nepsilon? I have 40 download and 20 upload. I see people with lower settings than mine says that their doing the same resolution and it looks so much HD but mine looks almost like yours.. I also get like 60fps while playing on medium graphic settings on sc2 and it makes me lag when I stream but I see people playing with 30fps so i dont really understand. My cpu usage and ram usage is not even close to 100!
Your result was really nice Goodseed. Personally i have a fiber connection with 24 Mbit out, so i want to like try something insane like 5000 kbps bitrate. But i hate it that FMLE and also Xsplit i think makes it so if someone with a normal dsl conneciton with 1 Mbit it will buffer alot.
Is there any way to set 5000 bitrate for those who are able, and for else adjust downwards automaticly ? Basicly higher bitrate makes the picture clearer and on 5000 its just like beeing ingame.
My setting on dxtory was exactly the same as Nepsilon because I have the same resolution as him on desktop. My setting on xsplit was 1280x720 - 30fps - Quality 10 - 2000bitrate and 2000 buffer. Can you suggest me anything I can do Nepsilon? I have 40 download and 20 upload. I see people with lower settings than mine says that their doing the same resolution and it looks so much HD but mine looks almost like yours.. I also get like 60fps while playing on medium graphic settings on sc2 and it makes me lag when I stream but I see people playing with 30fps so i dont really understand. My cpu usage and ram usage is not even close to 100!
Yours is actually way better than mine since with my current upload on moving around i am getting some pixelization. What else u can do is just going 1080p(Or your native monitor resolution because in 1080 i think you might stretch your current and get a bad result) which really , your stream is awesome and you dont need to improve it in my opinion.
And try going 3k/3k on buffer since i think for perfect 720p you are moving around 2300 up , dont get it as a static number , this is only rough calculation.
And take in mind that if your CPU is at 60-70 % at the moment and you double the resolution since from 720p to 1080p the difference is huge , your game might start beeing choppy/unplayable. I tried 1080p on my i5 760 3.6ghz and its playable but i am getting a lot of pixelization.
You can see that every slight move i am making i am getting pixelization.
And if you have a similar speccs to mine with that upload u can get 1080p no problem. And if you decide to bump 1080 if your PC can handle than throw greater than 4500kbps buffer for perfect 1080p. I have no idea if there is any max rate for the buffer but rougly the 4500 kbps is the best solution for 1080p i think. Dont get too heavy on the numbers since i might be off with them.
As well take in mind if you dont have any partnership with those streaming sites your viewers wont be able to change the resolution if they cant handle that much download so you better keep with something in the middle so everyone can be watching your stream.
p.s. if you are that decided to stream at that high qualities than try out ur native resolution so you wont get the stream in black boxes but instead fully stretched in your stream. You can achieve the same while in 1080p but as i said you might get a bit of a worse quality.
Play out with the settings and tell me what your results came like.
On October 10 2011 06:05 Avean wrote: Is there any way to set 5000 bitrate for those who are able, and for else adjust downwards automaticly ? Basicly higher bitrate makes the picture clearer and on 5000 its just like beeing ingame.
If this means what i think it means than read the above post of mine ( 2nd paragraph from below)
If its not what it is from what i understood than sorry for answering something else.
Well yeah i have no problem streaming in 4500 bitrate, but the problem is for my viewers. If they have 2Mbit / 2Mbit which many have, they aint gonna handle a 4500 bitrate stream.
With FMLE you have to set a constant bitrate so its like either go good quality and let many viewers burn, or go low quality and everyone can see.
So i was wondering if there is any dynamic bitrate setting in xsplit ? So the bitrate aint constant, but a max value instead. Lets say i set it to 5000, then people with 5 Mbit and above will see ingame quality, or if a viewer has 2 mbit the stream will automaticly lower it. Is that even possible ?
And to the post about pixelation in 1080, thats due to low bitrate, not resolution. But doubling resolution does makes pixelation more obvious, but can be fixed with higher bitrate.
On October 10 2011 06:43 Avean wrote: Well yeah i have no problem streaming in 4500 bitrate, but the problem is for my viewers. If they have 2Mbit / 2Mbit which many have, they aint gonna handle a 4500 bitrate stream.
With FMLE you have to set a constant bitrate so its like either go good quality and let many viewers burn, or go low quality and everyone can see.
So i was wondering if there is any dynamic bitrate setting in xsplit ? So the bitrate aint constant, but a max value instead. Lets say i set it to 5000, then people with 5 Mbit and above will see ingame quality, or if a viewer has 2 mbit the stream will automaticly lower it. Is that even possible ?
And to the post about pixelation in 1080, thats due to low bitrate, not resolution. But doubling resolution does makes pixelation more obvious, but can be fixed with higher bitrate.
No there isnt , there is however 1 thing to mention of how you can do it and i mentioned it previously but you missed it. Its alright.
Xsplit will work the same as FMLE except that constant bitrate thing. In xsplit if you set it to 4500 for an example sometimes it may also burst up to 5000 and who knows more. But if you want to make both sides of the viewers with low download and very good download speed to be able to watch with different qualities , i think the only way is the one i mentioned it previously , Partnership with the site you are streaming at.
For an example here is a link to see what i am thinking.
Its pretty much like youtube , viewers will be able to change the resolutions and with it on each resolution the bitrate is lowered or increased regarding which one you chose ofcourse.
I don't know if I see any differnce if I use dxtory or just stream with xsplit.
720p looks a lot better than previous one.
However in the 1050 one the difference isnt a lot since u are using 3000 bitrate as well.
I noted 1 thing , there were moments in those 2 minutes you can see as well on ur drones too it has some feeling like there are micro stutters. I think you should lower the buffer a bit for you to get 100% perfect 30fps.
I might be blind but check for yourself
Edit : I also might be wrong , since as i am seeing your fps drops 40-50 sometimes , it might be ur pc i dont know.
Which video are you refering the micro stutter? and on 720p should I take off the aspect ratio because it wouldnt have any black stuff on the sides.
Edit: On the 1050 one almost to the end, I changed to scene 1 which doesnt have dxtory to see if I get any difference. It seems like I get lower fps if I dont use dxtory.
I guess I will just stick to the 720p but it is really hassle to go between scenes and my new razer blackwidow macro key wont work to change the scenes easily.
On October 09 2011 12:43 blade55555 wrote: wow your upload's just as bad as mine but your quality is so good o_o. thought that type of quality was only for 1.5 mb +. Might have to start using dxtory lol.
Well that was what i wanted to explain to HellGreen , I never could reach the same quality with using only Xsplit and i am still not sure why but nevertheless i am happy to be streaming with a better one beside the fact i am using it to fix my problem ingame.
yeah unfortunately when I stream I get only 20 fps. I'm pretty sure its my quad core (intel Q8400 2.66 ghz). Luckily for me I am getting my I5 2500k 3.3 ghz (3.7 turbo) this week so hoping that changes and I can get 62 fps and stream like that. Well update the results on this ^_^.
On October 10 2011 13:37 Flameling wrote: Is anyone else being limited at 30 fps when you record with dxtory?
Once you get in in Dxtory go to the "Advanced" tab and down there you will be able to see "Limit video FPS" When i installed it, it was checked with 60 fps , it might be 30 at yours so turn it off and you will be fine .
Thanks a lot for making this guide, really appreciate it. Luckily my specs are pretty much the same as yours -- even the upload speed -- so I was just able to copy all your settings <3 Works like a charm.
On October 10 2011 07:48 Goodseed wrote: I guess I will just stick to the 720p but it is really hassle to go between scenes and my new razer blackwidow macro key wont work to change the scenes easily.
What exactly do you mean it's a hassle? Just setup short-cuts and you're fine, right?
If you are referring to the actual scene switching when going ingame and coming out of the game, there are solutions for that too. I've made an free app that does it for you: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269995. If you don't like it, there are alternatives out there.
And for the aspect ratio: Stream in the same aspect ratio as you play in. If you play in 16 : 9, use a 16 : 9 stream resolution too. However, keep in mind, that if you're viewing your stream on anything but 16 : 9 you will naturally have black bars. See this for more details: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11309426
On October 10 2011 06:05 Avean wrote: Personally i have a fiber connection with 24 Mbit out, so i want to like try something insane like 5000 kbps bitrate. But i hate it that FMLE and also Xsplit i think makes it so if someone with a normal dsl conneciton with 1 Mbit it will buffer alot.
Is there any way to set 5000 bitrate for those who are able, and for else adjust downwards automaticly ? Basicly higher bitrate makes the picture clearer and on 5000 its just like beeing ingame.
It's not the software that makes it lag - it's your settings! If you read up on how networks work, you would see the problem here. You cannot send more data at the viewers than they can receive (Mbit/s), unless ofc. as stated by Nepsilon you have a middleman break down the stream into lower resolutions.
Also the accusations that FME is a constant bitrate streaming software are purely wrong. First of all, it's all controlled in the codec, not the main program. Second of all, FME even supports dynamic adaptable maximum output bitrate (something XSplit doesn't) - but don't confuse this with what you're asking for above.
On October 10 2011 20:08 robsCom wrote: Thanks a lot for making this guide, really appreciate it. Luckily my specs are pretty much the same as yours -- even the upload speed -- so I was just able to copy all your settings <3 Works like a charm.
I am glad that it helped you out. If by any chance you have any other questions feel free to ask me. Take care till than and all the best.
On October 10 2011 06:05 Avean wrote: Personally i have a fiber connection with 24 Mbit out, so i want to like try something insane like 5000 kbps bitrate. But i hate it that FMLE and also Xsplit i think makes it so if someone with a normal dsl conneciton with 1 Mbit it will buffer alot.
Is there any way to set 5000 bitrate for those who are able, and for else adjust downwards automaticly ? Basicly higher bitrate makes the picture clearer and on 5000 its just like beeing ingame.
It's not the software that makes it lag - it's your settings! If you read up on how networks work, you would see the problem here. You cannot send more data at the viewers than they can receive (Mbit/s), unless ofc. as stated by Nepsilon you have a middleman break down the stream into lower resolutions.
Also the accusations that FME is a constant bitrate streaming software are purely wrong. First of all, it's all controlled in the codec, not the main program. Second of all, FME even supports dynamic adaptable maximum output bitrate (something XSplit doesn't) - but don't confuse this with what you're asking for above.
Well yeah! I typed that i have to choose between high quality and loosing viewers or go low quality and having more viewers. Neither Xsplit or FME has any solution for it. Have to be a partner with Twitch so they can automaticly transcode the stream. Also in FME there is only a Bitrate setting while in Xsplit you have a Max Bitrate. In XSplit i can set that to 14 000 and it "can" use up to that, but i never see the stream go anything higher than 2000. Its poor quality.
In FME its constant, setting it to 5000 for example i immediatly see the difference but it will lag for people with low connection. I just wish there was something client side that could do this for us. I mean so many have such killer connections and hardware, that many could be streaming 1080 ingame quality. I know i can, but i lack the tech for it.
People do Vods / they stream in average quality and do 1080 vods as well. That might be 1 solution if you are beeing bugged with. As well if you have a very powerful PC or maybe another PC next to you you can set 2 streams at the same time , 1 with low 1 with very high quality so viewers can choose between. Not sure if this comes of any value but i guess you can try if you can handle the requirements.
And i said previously , you can set Dxtory to stream in 720p for an example while local record on 1080p. Afterwards just upload the video to youtube for an example. (I havent tested it yet because my HDD as i mentioned is very bad (50mb/sec speed which is very bad) And i think you need HDD that supports greater than 100-150 mb per sec. Rough numbers again.
On October 10 2011 21:39 Flaiker wrote: Would be nice to know if the Gamesource feature of XSplit has the same effect as dxtory. Because you will have to pay for xsplit anyways soon
Not to copy paste off of it from the page but i will instead post a link so you can check for yourself.
It will be based the same just like Dxtory i think. So basically if you have ur PC able to handle only xsplit by itself and have no problem during playing (and if you have the patience till then release the final version and force u to buy it and use it) than i suggest you to stick with xsplit itself and not spend anything on Dxtory.
On October 10 2011 20:52 Avean wrote: a) Well yeah! I typed that i have to choose between high quality and loosing viewers or go low quality and having more viewers. Neither Xsplit or FME has any solution for it. Have to be a partner with Twitch so they can automaticly transcode the stream. b) Also in FME there is only a Bitrate setting while in Xsplit you have a Max Bitrate. In XSplit i can set that to 14 000 and it "can" use up to that, but i never see the stream go anything higher than 2000. Its poor quality.
a) Actually if you think you got the hardware for it, you can dual-stream with XSplit. Just setup one stream for 480p and one for 720p (or 1080p). In the "Broadcast" menu you can turn on several streams at once. Of course you will need two accounts - alternatively you can use the "Resolution" setting in channel setup for multiple resolutions. Note, you need a hardcore streaming rig to do this .
b) It just different names for the same feature. In XSplit the max isn't a hard limit anyway - it will go above if it needs to. And if you don't come above 2000 kbit/s it's because your settings doesn't require it to
On October 10 2011 21:39 Flaiker wrote: Would be nice to know if the Gamesource feature of XSplit has the same effect as dxtory. Because you will have to pay for xsplit anyways soon
I've bought a copy of XSplit and have tried the GameSource for quite some time. As I just had a break through with setting up DXTory, I've been able to do a comparrison. At the current state there's about +5 FPS difference on my rig (GameSource vs. Regular). DXTory performs even better at the current time. On a particular test I did, these were the starting FPS I saw: XSplit regular: ~18FPS XSplit GameSource: ~23FPS DXTory: ~28FPS The test (a 3v3 replay) was designed to stress my rig, and not usable for live streaming as such. As the replay progressed, my CPU became bottlenecked and all figures fell to ~12.
On October 10 2011 21:39 Flaiker wrote: Would be nice to know if the Gamesource feature of XSplit has the same effect as dxtory. Because you will have to pay for xsplit anyways soon
I've bought a copy of XSplit and have tried the GameSource for quite some time. As I just had a break through with setting up DXTory, I've been able to do a comparrison. At the current state there's about +5 FPS difference on my rig (GameSource vs. Regular). DXTory performs even better at the current time. On a particular test I did, these were the starting FPS I saw: XSplit regular: ~18FPS XSplit GameSource: ~23FPS DXTory: ~28FPS The test (a 3v3 replay) was designed to stress my rig, and not usable for live streaming as such. As the replay progressed, my CPU became bottlenecked and all figures fell to ~12.
Thank you very much for the comparation but lets not forget the xsplit is still in beta. It might be the same as dxtory when they properly release the final version they are working on.
Directshow with DXTORY only works when i have File Output selected aswell. If i have File Output unchecked it will not even start. i have tried many different hotkeys, even normal keys such as W, A, S, D, all Fnumber keys. But directshow does work if i have file output selected. Unfortunately i don't have enough hard drive space to have file output selected every time i want to stream. Does anyone know what is wrong? Thanks
On October 12 2011 06:49 Corrosive wrote: Directshow with DXTORY only works when i have File Output selected aswell. If i have File Output unchecked it will not even start. i have tried many different hotkeys, even normal keys such as W, A, S, D, all Fnumber keys. But directshow does work if i have file output selected. Unfortunately i don't have enough hard drive space to have file output selected every time i want to stream. Does anyone know what is wrong? Thanks
Edit : I understood something very different, I will re-edit this once i find a solution.
Thanks very much for this guide. I had previously encountered sporadic or severe framerate drops in games when using Xsplit's screen capture, and just dismissed it as my computer (which is sufficiently powerful, I thought) being too weak to stream at a decent resolution. Using DXTory resulted in a significant improvement. Using Xsplit's screen capture, usually my fps would drop by about half, but with DXTory it's about a 1 to 2 fps drop. Last night I tested streaming SC2 at 720p 30fps and Dota2 720p 60fps and both worked exceptionally well. I configured everything in the way you mentioned in the guide and now I have no more streaming issues. Really great work.
Wait a second.. Goodseed, how did you get your video so crisp? I did all the same settings as mentioned but my quality input just seems very very bad from dxtory! check it out :S http://www.justin.tv/s00pr/b/297304676 and its the same crappy quality when I just press F12 and even no stream so its like my output from dxtory? *EDIT* I rebooted both programs and it seems like it fixed itself http://www.justin.tv/s00pr/b/297306599
On October 13 2011 04:57 Nepsilon wrote: You are more than welcome Excalibur.
Ont he other hand S00pr , how much Kbps Upload you have ? I am curious because i think you can get even better looking stream.
I have 10mbit upload, I'm playing around with the setting atm, got any suggestions? Atm I just changed my resolution in xsplit up to 1680 again, when I only used Xsplit before I could always get some kind of stutter when using 1680 so I always had to use 1280..
So right now I tried 2000/2000 60fps and 1680x1050 http://www.justin.tv/s00pr/b/297309163 *edit* I can see stuffer from some fps drop or something, dont like it
I tried 30fps before and its no problem. Maybe I should just use 30fps and like 3000kbps, while like 2000 buffer and 1680 resolution, what do you think?
You can try increasing to 3000 and see the difference , i think it will be alot better. On the other hand make sure u have aspect ratio clicked so it wont stretch the picture unless you really want the whole stream to not be in a black box.
Be aware that not every single person that does want to watch stream might be able to watch yours. 2mbps download is what i think a lot people have. I am not fully sure but make sure you dont lose any of your people that watch you.
About the buffer , stream 1 video and than watch it , if you have pixelisation increase it, if your video is stuttering decrease it.
Best of luck.
Edit : Stick with 720p.
For 1080p you will need a lot more than 3000kbps to make it look perfect.
And dont go over 30 dps. Useless. I was watching IPL3 which was on 60 fps , it was unreal in some ways. At least i felt it very weird.
Ok thanks for the input man. Yeah the IPL stream was so so nice imo, I love the 60fps actually But I dont think its possible while playing.. 1680x1050 is giving me a decrease in fps that I can feel while in-game so I wont use it.. But the quality is so different! Here's everything set to 3000/3000 and 30fps
On October 13 2011 05:32 s00pr wrote: Ok thanks for the input man. Yeah the IPL stream was so so nice imo, I love the 60fps actually But I dont think its possible while playing.. 1680x1050 is giving me a decrease in fps that I can feel while in-game so I wont use it.. But the quality is so different! Here's everything set to 3000/3000 and 30fps
And I changed the aspect rate aswell. Thanks for your help sir!
I saw the stuttering , which wasnt very common in the videos. Do lower the Buffer. if you have it at 3000/3000 , try 3000/2500. See if that is going to work.
Some people say for their stuttering they have been lowering to a ratio of 4:1 of their VBV. Play with the Buffer and see which spot is the best for you.
Do you know how I can increase the output volume from the stream? I listen to the music quiet loud with my headphone but when I watch the recorded stream, it is way too low compared to what I hear when I go live. I would have to like make the bar maxium on the twitch tv to make it a little bit louder.
This is pretty sweet. I gave it a go with Rage and I had a huge increase in ingame FPS compare to before, there was almost no drop in FPS when streaming. I also noticed another funny thing while testing; whenever I was watching my stream on the 2nd monitor to check for lag, my ingame FPS dropped by 50%.
On October 13 2011 09:50 Goodseed wrote: Do you know how I can increase the output volume from the stream? I listen to the music quiet loud with my headphone but when I watch the recorded stream, it is way too low compared to what I hear when I go live. I would have to like make the bar maxium on the twitch tv to make it a little bit louder.
See in windows sound configurations if the levels are set to 100. If they are than not much you can do beside increasing the volume level on the program you are listening the music and or increase it from Xsplit.
PepperoniPiZZa , you are welcome and i am more than glad that i`ve helped just another person.
On October 13 2011 23:50 zeroISM wrote: Nepsilon, you are amazing. I bought DxTory the second I saw my new 30fps stream running smoothly. Thank you so much!
and it is so much better for playing as well, so glad for this :D
Nepsilon, do you know if changing the Dxtory codec settings (like Full RGB lossless vs 2x2 YUV "low" quality) makes a difference in performance with DirectShow output? Also, do you know whether checking "compress" makes a difference in performance?
On October 14 2011 01:20 theqat wrote: Nepsilon, do you know if changing the Dxtory codec settings (like Full RGB lossless vs 2x2 YUV "low" quality) makes a difference in performance with DirectShow output? Also, do you know whether checking "compress" makes a difference in performance?
I think it does make a difference but not when attached to xsplit , since xsplit is the one encoding the video and sending it.I need to make some more testing but for now i can not since my upload is bad and i can not see the difference.
Compress didnt affect my stream at all, it could be only for local recording.
On October 14 2011 01:47 TheDoK666 wrote: Does anyone got problems with the last update of xsplit for console games streaming via an acquisition card? i mean without a screen capture...
Sorry but i can not help you in that department. I guess someone who knows more about it can throw you some info.
On October 14 2011 01:47 TheDoK666 wrote: Does anyone got problems with the last update of xsplit for console games streaming via an acquisition card? i mean without a screen capture...
A friend of mine was trying to do this. His computer isn't extremely powerful (a core2duo if I recall?) and his current setup is xbox -> Hauppauge HD PVR capture device -> output to monitor -> screen capture via Xsplit -> stream. Of course, the monitor becomes the middleman so there is the potential for unnecessary CPU work. However, I told him about DXTory as a possible solution to bypass the screen capture method and he said it wasn't an option because of this: http://forum.dxtory.com/index.php?topic=875.0;wap2
This is a technical subject. Because VMR9 of OS does rendering with DirectX9, you may capture it. And, because overlay is a method that DirectDraw is old, it doesn't support it in Dxtory. I do not have the plan to deal with this very old method. It is additionally because it is not a method used in the game program.
Does Xsplit support a direct capture from capture devices now (I believe this is GameSource but I haven't messed with it)? If so, are you encountering any problems with it?
And to the person asking: Ping will only measure the latency (delay), not the throughput (speed). Nepsilon's answer is of course correct in that regard
I am going to bump this real fast to ask. My processor is the reason when I run dxtory and click record I get 20 in game FPS.
Processor: intel quad Q8400 (2.66 ghz)
Ram: 4 gigs (800 mhz)
Pretty sure its my cpu and hoping when I get my i5 on monday the lag goes away but anyone with the same processor as me having same lag problems I have when recording with dxtory and xsplit open?
On October 14 2011 09:38 blade55555 wrote: I am going to bump this real fast to ask. My processor is the reason when I run dxtory and click record I get 20 in game FPS.
Processor: intel quad Q8400 (2.66 ghz)
Ram: 4 gigs (800 mhz)
Pretty sure its my cpu and hoping when I get my i5 on monday the lag goes away but anyone with the same processor as me having same lag problems I have when recording with dxtory and xsplit open?
i have 2.93 ghz dual core so id like to know of this as well (i dont know if i will lag or not, everything in sc2 is on low.
On October 14 2011 09:38 blade55555 wrote: I am going to bump this real fast to ask. My processor is the reason when I run dxtory and click record I get 20 in game FPS.
Processor: intel quad Q8400 (2.66 ghz)
Ram: 4 gigs (800 mhz)
Pretty sure its my cpu and hoping when I get my i5 on monday the lag goes away but anyone with the same processor as me having same lag problems I have when recording with dxtory and xsplit open?
i have 2.93 ghz dual core so id like to know of this as well (i dont know if i will lag or not, everything in sc2 is on low.
Well the only thing I can say is I'm pretty sure it is the dual core for you. I know for streaming you can't use a dual core and get good fps really because sc2 takes a lot of the processor and you really need a quad to do streaming and playing at the same time I believe.
Blade555 , Go to Dxtory under Advanced tab , and set processing threads to 2 , give high prio to dxtory as well and see if you will get better results.
I think it will help. As well you can OC ur CPU to 3.0. I had the same one as urs b4 i get the i5.
If you are getting the i5 very fast than you can just relax till you get it and solve you issue. Also , whenever you are playing with that ram , see how much used and how much free u have there because 800mhz ram i am not really sure if its good or bad for sc2. Just check that one out (especially if you are running windows vista/7).
Edit : The ram should not affect the Dxtory/Xsplit but it may affect your gameplay.
On October 14 2011 10:14 Nepsilon wrote: Blade555 , Go to Dxtory under Advanced tab , and set processing threads to 2 , give high prio to dxtory as well and see if you will get better results.
I think it will help. As well you can OC ur CPU to 3.0. I had the same one as urs b4 i get the i5.
If you are getting the i5 very fast than you can just relax till you get it and solve you issue. Also , whenever you are playing with that ram , see how much used and how much free u have there because 800mhz ram i am not really sure if its good or bad for sc2. Just check that one out (especially if you are running windows vista/7).
Edit : The ram should not affect the Dxtory/Xsplit but it may affect your gameplay.
I think I did set it to 2 cores before and still wasn't that good. Which is fine my processor should be here monday-tuesday so I'll just be patient. Its nice to know I can set my quality a lot nicer then I thought considering our uploads are very similar .
I thank you in advance for this guide btw as I know once I get that i5 sandy bridge 2500k this is going to be amazing :D
Nepsilon, feel free to share the video no problem. I hope it helps people see the clear difference between the 2 programs.
I have some questions that you guys may know the answer for:
1. I play from Japan, so which server of twitch.tv am I connected to? 2. Would it be possible to stream in 60fps as people from above posts mentioned? IPL 3 looked fantastic in my opinion:o [my specs: i7 920@3.2gHz | 6GB ram | 2xGTX 275 SLI
I did this test with the main server @ San Francisco, CA I have tried outputting 3000kbps but I was getting some stutter - guess I have to lower the VBV Buffer then?
On October 14 2011 18:49 zeroISM wrote: Nepsilon, feel free to share the video no problem. I hope it helps people see the clear difference between the 2 programs.
I have some questions that you guys may know the answer for:
1. I play from Japan, so which server of twitch.tv am I connected to? 2. Would it be possible to stream in 60fps as people from above posts mentioned? IPL 3 looked fantastic in my opinion:o [my specs: i7 920@3.2gHz | 6GB ram | 2xGTX 275 SLI
I did this test with the main server @ San Francisco, CA I have tried outputting 3000kbps but I was getting some stutter - guess I have to lower the VBV Buffer then?
Well there are few options about servers you can pick up but if you are on default than i think you are in San Francisco.
And yes you need to lower the Buffer , set it 3000kbps and start lowering till the point its not stuttering.
For the 60 fps stream the requirements will double up. For normal 720p 30fps you need around 2500-3000 roughly upload for perfect output but for 60 fps you will need a lot more than that ( i am not sure since i havent tested or anything) , but i assume somewhere around 5-6k kbps which you can not afford for at the moment.
My honest opinion about this would be : Stay on 720p , lower the Buffer till its not stuttering, as well stick with ur 30 fps and u will be more than fine. You will also leave space for people with a bit lower uploads to be able to watch you without a problem. You really dont need more than 720p 30fps believe me. If you set it right people can feel it just like they are playing.
If you really want to test the 60fps. You will have to double the upload , andmaybe even OC the CPU. My cpu for an example can not hold 60fps i have tested at least that one and the game is just like using xsplit itself without Dxtory.
Also bare in mind that stuttering can happen from Bitrate and FPS as well so if lowering the buffer wont help you and your stream will start producing Artifacts than i suggest lowering the FPS. I highly doubt that this will be a problem for your configuration but i just wanted to mention it if it ever happens.
Thanks again Nepsilon. I'll do some tests and maybe post the results later. I have tried going up to 60fps on local recording, but it doesn't reach because of the CPU I think, max I get is 52fps.
On October 15 2011 00:46 zeroISM wrote: Thanks again Nepsilon. I'll do some tests and maybe post the results later. I have tried going up to 60fps on local recording, but it doesn't reach because of the CPU I think, max I get is 52fps.
Set 4 running threads in Dxtory in Advanced tab , set high prio on Dxtory / OC the CPU to 4.0 and u will be hardware ready to go 60 fps. But you will be stopped by your upload speed apparently.
I think you will get a lot of pixelization but you can check for yourself.
On October 15 2011 14:32 Craton wrote: A semi-amusing sidenote is don't try to kill the dxtory process while it's hooked into the game or it'll kill your game, too.
I'm still having an issue with Dxstory where it won't start a capture unless I have "File Output" selected. With DirectShow Output + File Output, the recording starts fine. I can't start a recording with only DirectShow Output. I've tried a few different hotkeys and I'm not sure why it's not letting me record with only DirectShow Output.
On October 15 2011 22:20 MannerRev wrote: I'm still having an issue with Dxstory where it won't start a capture unless I have "File Output" selected. With DirectShow Output + File Output, the recording starts fine. I can't start a recording with only DirectShow Output. I've tried a few different hotkeys and I'm not sure why it's not letting me record with only DirectShow Output.
I am aware of that and i am still trying to figure out what is the problem. I still dont know really. If there is anyone else that has something in mind about this issue , please suggest it here. Thanks
anyone having issues trying to watch your recorded shows on twitch tv? It wont play and just stays at 0:00 I'm able to watch live streams but not the recorded ones. It is same if I try to watch other streamers recorded videos.
On October 16 2011 08:26 Goodseed wrote: anyone having issues trying to watch your recorded shows on twitch tv? It wont play and just stays at 0:00 I'm able to watch live streams but not the recorded ones. It is same if I try to watch other streamers recorded videos.
I tried and i cant watch ur last video either. Check Xsplit when u start broadcasting , make sure u are able to see the numbers of Kbps on Xsplit. For me sometimes when i click broadcast i see like 20kbps, than goes to 10kbps than 4kbps and than the numbers dissapear. With it i know that i am live but my screen is fully black and nothing is beeing broadcasted. I think this is because of how far away i am from the servers and sometimes it may not be able to establish the connection. I might be wrong though.
On October 16 2011 08:26 Goodseed wrote: anyone having issues trying to watch your recorded shows on twitch tv? It wont play and just stays at 0:00 I'm able to watch live streams but not the recorded ones. It is same if I try to watch other streamers recorded videos.
I tried and i cant watch ur last video either. Check Xsplit when u start broadcasting , make sure u are able to see the numbers of Kbps on Xsplit. For me sometimes when i click broadcast i see like 20kbps, than goes to 10kbps than 4kbps and than the numbers dissapear. With it i know that i am live but my screen is fully black and nothing is beeing broadcasted. I think this is because of how far away i am from the servers and sometimes it may not be able to establish the connection. I might be wrong though.
Mine does that sometimes to but think its just a bug with xsplit or something. Eh not a big deal I just restart the stream and it works again so whatever ^^.
On October 16 2011 17:27 Flaiker wrote: I have the same problem. I think it's something with the new Firefox, Chrome works fine :O
Hm its with the program itself xsplit not a web browser. We're talking about we start the stream broadcast and it starts at 10 or whatever kbps then lowers till it isn't there and you have to restart otherwise the stream will stay black.
On October 16 2011 17:27 Flaiker wrote: I have the same problem. I think it's something with the new Firefox, Chrome works fine :O
Hm its with the program itself xsplit not a web browser. We're talking about we start the stream broadcast and it starts at 10 or whatever kbps then lowers till it isn't there and you have to restart otherwise the stream will stay black.
Lol, meant to post in this thread, how could that happen?! xD
Hey, this worked the first time for me with StarCraft II
Then I switched to a game like TF2 and it no longer worked. I tried reloading the program and then adding camera -> DXTory Video 1 and then pressed F12 (it went orange) but it didn't show any video on xsplit and I couldn't stream any actual video.
Figured it out. Profile set for one game aren't set for others, I still get a lot of stuttering when I stream TF2, is there something wrong with that game or something?
Can you help me with the settings? Before DXtory, I had 0 lag or hitches with the game.
I played a 3v3 today and it froze on me twice for a few moments, other than that, I believe this really works, however I would like to iron out some of the problems. Maybe it's my XSplit settings, I can't seem to find a middle ground.
Can you suggest a good place to start testing?
My upload is 3.1mb 3.4 ghz quad-core Phenom II x4 1920x1080 Monitor resolution, but I stream at 1280 x 720.
Frame rate is 29.97 Default Preset Quality: Not Set Max Bitrate: 2700 VBV buffer: 3500 Resolution: default
So does anyone have any tipps running a 720p stream with a super low bandwith?! Since the OP got a "bit less" good looking quality then i have with even less bandwith"
I managed it to look nearly like 720p ... with my 0,77 uploadrate
But the problem is it sometimes spikes and gets my ping from ~60-80 to 300+
Running @
Preset Slow Quality 10 Max Bitrate 620 Buffer 1240 22 khz stereo with 32000 bitrate
On October 18 2011 04:55 Torte de Lini wrote: Can you help me with the settings? Before DXtory, I had 0 lag or hitches with the game.
I played a 3v3 today and it froze on me twice for a few moments, other than that, I believe this really works, however I would like to iron out some of the problems. Maybe it's my XSplit settings, I can't seem to find a middle ground.
Can you suggest a good place to start testing?
My upload is 3.1mb 3.4 ghz quad-core Phenom II x4 1920x1080 Monitor resolution, but I stream at 1280 x 720.
Frame rate is 29.97 Default Preset Quality: Not Set Max Bitrate: 2700 VBV buffer: 3500 Resolution: default
Audio: 22.050 16 bit stereo 3200
I do think that this is caused by your CPU. 3v3 is a lot more CPU intensive than 1v1.
On October 18 2011 06:29 Onioncookie wrote: So does anyone have any tipps running a 720p stream with a super low bandwith?! Since the OP got a "bit less" good looking quality then i have with even less bandwith"
I managed it to look nearly like 720p ... with my 0,77 uploadrate
But the problem is it sometimes spikes and gets my ping from ~60-80 to 300+
Running @
Preset Slow Quality 10 Max Bitrate 620 Buffer 1240 22 khz stereo with 32000 bitrate
Running @ 20 Fps
Thanks!
You are lagging because u are having 620 kbps given to xplit and while xsplit may use up to even 750 and those are the moments where you are going to lag or get spikes. As well with 620 kbps i am more than sure you are having a bit more ms ingame than while not streaming which isnt very good.
Reduce to 500-550 tops and see what results you will get.
Edit : And yes you have better quality because u have bumped 620kbps and aswell you have 20 fps stream , not 30. Always prioritize ur gaming b4 the stream. If you lag and spike and you cant control you army , macro properly than you will lose almost every game which it wouldnt be entertaining for people to watch you . 20 fps will cause less artifacts while streaming with such a low upload speed than the 30 fps.
On October 18 2011 04:55 Torte de Lini wrote: Can you help me with the settings? Before DXtory, I had 0 lag or hitches with the game.
I played a 3v3 today and it froze on me twice for a few moments, other than that, I believe this really works, however I would like to iron out some of the problems. Maybe it's my XSplit settings, I can't seem to find a middle ground.
Can you suggest a good place to start testing?
My upload is 3.1mb 3.4 ghz quad-core Phenom II x4 1920x1080 Monitor resolution, but I stream at 1280 x 720.
Frame rate is 29.97 Default Preset Quality: Not Set Max Bitrate: 2700 VBV buffer: 3500 Resolution: default
Audio: 22.050 16 bit stereo 3200
I do think that this is caused by your CPU. 3v3 is a lot more CPU intensive than 1v1.
It didn't become choppy when I did it without DXtory. I get more choppiness when I do it with DXTory, the quality was supremely higher with it, but I got so much choppiness from games I usually don't.
I'm looking to try and fit DXtory in, but also be able to play the games I typically can play.
Wait a second .. You are telling me that when you are not streaming you arent getting any lag or when you are streaming but using only xsplit?
If its the 1st one , i will stick to my answer. If its the 2nd one than i`ll have to think about why you are gettin stutters/choppyness while using dxtory.
Do you know if it's any way to stream full screen games using dxtory? I'm not talking about SC2 because I know you can do it just fine with the windowed full screen option, but unfortunately most games don't have that.
On October 18 2011 12:12 tianGO wrote: Hey, really nice guide, thank you!
Do you know if it's any way to stream full screen games using dxtory? I'm not talking about SC2 because I know you can do it just fine with the windowed full screen option, but unfortunately most games don't have that.
Thanks.
Dxtory is made for this You can stream fullscreen games without any problems.
@Torte de Lini I really didnt expect Xsplit itself to not lag u but having Dxtory with it to lag your game out. Tonight i think i`ll have some spare time , please PM me every single configuration in dxtory requred for streaming + every settings you are using on xsplit. PM those i`ll see what i can do.
On October 18 2011 12:12 tianGO wrote: Hey, really nice guide, thank you!
Do you know if it's any way to stream full screen games using dxtory? I'm not talking about SC2 because I know you can do it just fine with the windowed full screen option, but unfortunately most games don't have that.
Thanks.
Dxtory is made for this You can stream fullscreen games without any problems.
@Torte de Lini I really didnt expect Xsplit itself to not lag u but having Dxtory with it to lag your game out. Tonight i think i`ll have some spare time , please PM me every single configuration in dxtory requred for streaming + every settings you are using on xsplit. PM those i`ll see what i can do.
I followed your guide and tested a few things, I got a black screen with Pro Evolution Soccer 2012 and Limbo in fullscreen. In windowed mode it works fine. I haven't tested other games yet but I just assumed that it'd be the same no matter what game.
Intertestingly enough using just xsplit without dxtory I can stream those games in full screen (no black screen). The option "Enable game source" is not checked. I thought it wasn't possible to stream games in full screen with xsplit.
On October 18 2011 11:50 Torte de Lini wrote: Just Xsplit = No lag, no choppiness, just unrefined quality sadly ):
With DXtory = More choppiness.
I feel like I just need to figure out what settings I need for DXtory (I followed your guide(s)) and XSplit.
Pardon me for jumping in here. I had something like that happen to me at first. What solved it for me, was to completely make a new "presentation" in XSplit. There was something bad in the old presentation, so I started over from scratch which solved it for me. It's quick to test - remember you can save your current presentation so you can reload it if you want.
On October 18 2011 06:29 Onioncookie wrote: So does anyone have any tipps running a 720p stream with a super low bandwith?! Since the OP got a "bit less" good looking quality then i have with even less bandwith"
I managed it to look nearly like 720p ... with my 0,77 uploadrate
But the problem is it sometimes spikes and gets my ping from ~60-80 to 300+
Running @
Preset Slow Quality 10 Max Bitrate 620 Buffer 1240 22 khz stereo with 32000 bitrate
Running @ 20 Fps
Thanks!
You are lagging because u are having 620 kbps given to xplit and while xsplit may use up to even 750 and those are the moments where you are going to lag or get spikes. As well with 620 kbps i am more than sure you are having a bit more ms ingame than while not streaming which isnt very good.
Reduce to 500-550 tops and see what results you will get.
Edit : And yes you have better quality because u have bumped 620kbps and aswell you have 20 fps stream , not 30. Always prioritize ur gaming b4 the stream. If you lag and spike and you cant control you army , macro properly than you will lose almost every game which it wouldnt be entertaining for people to watch you . 20 fps will cause less artifacts while streaming with such a low upload speed than the 30 fps.
See what you can do and report please.
Take care
Hmm okay i tried to do so ... but it still shoots up all the ways to 700kbps+ wich gives me 200+ ping ingame (HoN) so its basicly the same @ 550
Isnt there a way to stop xsplit from spiking? Its all good if its slightly above 600ish kbps
On October 18 2011 12:12 tianGO wrote: Hey, really nice guide, thank you!
Do you know if it's any way to stream full screen games using dxtory? I'm not talking about SC2 because I know you can do it just fine with the windowed full screen option, but unfortunately most games don't have that.
Thanks.
Dxtory is made for this You can stream fullscreen games without any problems.
@Torte de Lini I really didnt expect Xsplit itself to not lag u but having Dxtory with it to lag your game out. Tonight i think i`ll have some spare time , please PM me every single configuration in dxtory requred for streaming + every settings you are using on xsplit. PM those i`ll see what i can do.
I don't lag out of the game, my stream lags and becomes choppy.
On October 18 2011 11:50 Torte de Lini wrote: Just Xsplit = No lag, no choppiness, just unrefined quality sadly ):
With DXtory = More choppiness.
I feel like I just need to figure out what settings I need for DXtory (I followed your guide(s)) and XSplit.
Pardon me for jumping in here. I had something like that happen to me at first. What solved it for me, was to completely make a new "presentation" in XSplit. There was something bad in the old presentation, so I started over from scratch which solved it for me. It's quick to test - remember you can save your current presentation so you can reload it if you want.
Do you mean the edit channels thing or the screenregion/dxtory camera 1, etc.
Can anyone explain how the quality setting 1-10 on xSplit and the buffer/buffer regions affect how the stream looks (and how much more upload speed this requires?) I have a super fast internet here in my dorm like 70 mb/s upload but only my mediocre laptop (AMD A6-3000 Quad Core 1.4Ghz/2.3Ghz turbo, radeon 6720g2 graphics), while at home I have a pretty good computer but super slow internet 0.37 mb/s upload.
On October 18 2011 06:29 Onioncookie wrote: So does anyone have any tipps running a 720p stream with a super low bandwith?! Since the OP got a "bit less" good looking quality then i have with even less bandwith"
I managed it to look nearly like 720p ... with my 0,77 uploadrate
But the problem is it sometimes spikes and gets my ping from ~60-80 to 300+
Running @
Preset Slow Quality 10 Max Bitrate 620 Buffer 1240 22 khz stereo with 32000 bitrate
Running @ 20 Fps
Thanks!
I have 1 mbit upload and try to accomplish the same.Does the quality setting and the preset really change that much so you can stream 720p with < 1 mb/s upload? While I tested I couldn't see any difference
On October 19 2011 04:23 Superiorwolf wrote: Can anyone explain how the quality setting 1-10 on xSplit and the buffer/buffer regions affect how the stream looks (and how much more upload speed this requires?) I have a super fast internet here in my dorm like 70 mb/s upload but only my mediocre laptop (AMD A6-3000 Quad Core 1.4Ghz/2.3Ghz turbo, radeon 6720g2 graphics), while at home I have a pretty good computer but super slow internet 0.37 mb/s upload.
Think i pretty much mentioned that one in one of the videos. You should check it out.
On October 18 2011 11:50 Torte de Lini wrote: Just Xsplit = No lag, no choppiness, just unrefined quality sadly ):
With DXtory = More choppiness.
I feel like I just need to figure out what settings I need for DXtory (I followed your guide(s)) and XSplit.
Pardon me for jumping in here. I had something like that happen to me at first. What solved it for me, was to completely make a new "presentation" in XSplit. There was something bad in the old presentation, so I started over from scratch which solved it for me. It's quick to test - remember you can save your current presentation so you can reload it if you want.
Do you mean the edit channels thing or the screenregion/dxtory camera 1, etc.
Was I meant was go to the "File" menu and choose "New presentation", but... I think I misunderstood you. You mentioned in another post that you don't lag ingame - it's the stream that lag when you're using Dxtory? That is weird since Dxtory is less resource demanding (CPU) than XSplit's capture method and even or less demanding in bandwidth. Maybe double check the FPS settings (both of them) and that you don't record locally with Dxtory (uncheck "File Output").
On October 18 2011 06:29 Onioncookie wrote: So does anyone have any tipps running a 720p stream with a super low bandwith?! Since the OP got a "bit less" good looking quality then i have with even less bandwith"
I managed it to look nearly like 720p ... with my 0,77 uploadrate
But the problem is it sometimes spikes and gets my ping from ~60-80 to 300+
Running @
Preset Slow Quality 10 Max Bitrate 620 Buffer 1240 22 khz stereo with 32000 bitrate
Running @ 20 Fps
Thanks!
I have 1 mbit upload and try to accomplish the same.Does the quality setting and the preset really change that much so you can stream 720p with < 1 mb/s upload? While I tested I couldn't see any difference
Yes it does ... in my opinion like ~800kbps for 720p is enough. With 620 kbps it looks nearly like 720p with rarely artifacs ( of course it spikes up to 750+ T_T )
does anyone know how to fix this issue of music sound going really bad after you stream for couple minute?
Example: http://www.twitch.tv/goodseed/b/297564189 Skip to around the end part and the sound goes really bad but my mic is still fine, I was able to hear the music fine on my headset but it outputs really bad after few minutes.
Edit: Once you start streaming, my fps drops about 50 from 130 in medium quality in starcraft 2. I get around 80 in the beginning on ladder and lags me quite a lot in starcraft2. Is there a way to not let this happen? I dont see a reason why my fps would drop when I start streaming. Or a way to make it drop less fps.
On October 19 2011 04:23 Superiorwolf wrote: Can anyone explain how the quality setting 1-10 on xSplit and the buffer/buffer regions affect how the stream looks (and how much more upload speed this requires?) I have a super fast internet here in my dorm like 70 mb/s upload but only my mediocre laptop (AMD A6-3000 Quad Core 1.4Ghz/2.3Ghz turbo, radeon 6720g2 graphics), while at home I have a pretty good computer but super slow internet 0.37 mb/s upload.
Think i pretty much mentioned that one in one of the videos. You should check it out.
Thanks I watched it. I think I will leave quality at 6, since quality takes up CPU and bandwidth. VBV max bitrate 500 kbps, max buffer 800 kbps (it was 500 before). Since my internet is super fast here at the dorms but CPU is not so good, I changed the preset to ultrafast as you suggested. Does Audio encoding at a higher bitrate cause more strain on the CPU? For example, would 44 KHz 16 bit stereo 128kbps be more straining on CPU than 44 KHz 16 bit stereo 96kbps or even 22 KHz? Exactly how much more strenuous on the CPU would be increasing resolution from 640x360 to 768x432 or 640x480 (thats not the right aspect ratio so I don't know what that will do)
Also I think this was in your video but Optimize Text Resize does that have any negative effects for you?
I noticed that selecting "fullscreen" instead of "windowed (fullscreen) in sc2 gives me about 10-20 more fps when recording with dxtory. However, sometimes xsplit will crash if you do not have the process properly minimized before going into sc2, or if you try to start streaming AFTER starting a screen cap with dxtory in full screen mode.
On October 19 2011 11:44 Goodseed wrote: what were your settings blade?
dxtory at 25 fps, 450 bit rate, 800 vbv or whatever its called quality 10. I have an upload of .69 as well. Could probably do it at 500 but yeah
You`ll start feeling delay ingame so you shouldnt imo. Quality is good for what your upload can offer , keep it up. Maybe you can try 30 fps already since the quality isnt that high that can make the stream pixelization(or artifacts , how they`re called) more visible.
On October 19 2011 11:44 Goodseed wrote: what were your settings blade?
dxtory at 25 fps, 450 bit rate, 800 vbv or whatever its called quality 10. I have an upload of .69 as well. Could probably do it at 500 but yeah
You`ll start feeling delay ingame so you shouldnt imo. Quality is good for what your upload can offer , keep it up. Maybe you can try 30 fps already since the quality isnt that high that can make the stream pixelization(or artifacts , how they`re called) more visible.
I would but I think I'd get more pixelization I think thats why I did 25 instead of the 30 you do but I am extremely satisfied and I bet my viewers will to
Yeah I mean anyone who has a good cpu and getting lag problems should follow this guide. I still can't believe how smooth my stream is AND how smooth my actual game is while streaming. So awesome way better then just using xsplit thats for sure and I thank you again sir for the well written guide <3
On October 19 2011 12:44 Goodseed wrote: Hey nepsilon, can you look at my post near the top ? and maybe provide answer if you know it ;D THanks!
You have exacly the same problem as in Beastyqt stream sometimes. been thinking before what can it be but i am not sure. what you can do is simply lower the sound quality or simply make it mono and test it out. If its still doing the same thing , than i have to think about this. I doubt that this is Dxtory related problem but Xsplit itself. If its not the quality of the sound , i will think about this more deeply.
On October 18 2011 06:29 Onioncookie wrote: So does anyone have any tipps running a 720p stream with a super low bandwith?! Since the OP got a "bit less" good looking quality then i have with even less bandwith"
I managed it to look nearly like 720p ... with my 0,77 uploadrate
But the problem is it sometimes spikes and gets my ping from ~60-80 to 300+
Running @
Preset Slow Quality 10 Max Bitrate 620 Buffer 1240 22 khz stereo with 32000 bitrate
Running @ 20 Fps
Thanks!
I have 1 mbit upload and try to accomplish the same.Does the quality setting and the preset really change that much so you can stream 720p with < 1 mb/s upload? While I tested I couldn't see any difference
Yes it does ... in my opinion like ~800kbps for 720p is enough. With 620 kbps it looks nearly like 720p with rarely artifacs ( of course it spikes up to 750+ T_T )
On October 19 2011 04:23 Superiorwolf wrote: Can anyone explain how the quality setting 1-10 on xSplit and the buffer/buffer regions affect how the stream looks (and how much more upload speed this requires?) I have a super fast internet here in my dorm like 70 mb/s upload but only my mediocre laptop (AMD A6-3000 Quad Core 1.4Ghz/2.3Ghz turbo, radeon 6720g2 graphics), while at home I have a pretty good computer but super slow internet 0.37 mb/s upload.
Think i pretty much mentioned that one in one of the videos. You should check it out.
Thanks I watched it. I think I will leave quality at 6, since quality takes up CPU and bandwidth. VBV max bitrate 500 kbps, max buffer 800 kbps (it was 500 before). Since my internet is super fast here at the dorms but CPU is not so good, I changed the preset to ultrafast as you suggested. Does Audio encoding at a higher bitrate cause more strain on the CPU? For example, would 44 KHz 16 bit stereo 128kbps be more straining on CPU than 44 KHz 16 bit stereo 96kbps or even 22 KHz? Exactly how much more strenuous on the CPU would be increasing resolution from 640x360 to 768x432 or 640x480 (thats not the right aspect ratio so I don't know what that will do)
Also I think this was in your video but Optimize Text Resize does that have any negative effects for you?
Thanks so much!
Changing your preset to ultra fast on 500kbps i dont think it would be such a great idea. See if you get any pixelization in your stream 1st. About Audio Encoding , on 500kbps it will matter alot since you are already giving 128kbps to the audio and whats left goes for the video. So there isnt any balance there. I suggest yu to lower the KHZ keep it stereo. About the resulution i really can not calculate exact numbers how % usage while using them.
On October 19 2011 07:38 Kilos wrote: I can't start it with f12... nothing happens.
If you are still on trial , please try another virsion which already helped a person solving his problem since he was pressing f12 and nothing was happening to him aswell.
On the other side if you have it bought already , try and see if you have any background applications that such as steam ( steam takes f12 for screen capture i think) and some other programs that dxtory might interefere with them before any of ur games.
On October 18 2011 06:29 Onioncookie wrote: So does anyone have any tipps running a 720p stream with a super low bandwith?! Since the OP got a "bit less" good looking quality then i have with even less bandwith"
I managed it to look nearly like 720p ... with my 0,77 uploadrate
But the problem is it sometimes spikes and gets my ping from ~60-80 to 300+
Running @
Preset Slow Quality 10 Max Bitrate 620 Buffer 1240 22 khz stereo with 32000 bitrate
Running @ 20 Fps
Thanks!
I have 1 mbit upload and try to accomplish the same.Does the quality setting and the preset really change that much so you can stream 720p with < 1 mb/s upload? While I tested I couldn't see any difference
Yes it does ... in my opinion like ~800kbps for 720p is enough. With 620 kbps it looks nearly like 720p with rarely artifacs ( of course it spikes up to 750+ T_T )
EDIT EDIT: Btw Skip the first few Mins since for whatever reason it does look better after a few mins of streaming dunno why ...
Good that you said in your opinion , because to get everything out of the 720p you gonna roughly need ~ 2300-2500 kbps
Are you sure?!
As i remember corretly i helped out a friend of mine who had 100+ upload, and beyond 1500kbps i didnt rly see any difference @720p (only 20fps since his CPU was bad)
Hmm but i think i reached the maximum usage of my bandwith any other ideas? It looks good as of now but i dont wanna reduce the quality but get the least amount of ingame delay as possible ...
Any1 tried a custom resolution ?! Would it lower the bandwith usage ? like just a bit below 720p shouldnt look that worse but its less a strain for the bandwith isnt it?
Thanks for this! I definitely would not have been able to get it this smooth w/o OC'ing my CPU which I couldn't really do since I have stock cooling. quality is meh, im not sure how to get it to look nicer but my upload is 3 mb/s so i think I can up the values a bit more after a bit more research into what they do when i have the time in a few days :D
On October 19 2011 04:23 Superiorwolf wrote: Can anyone explain how the quality setting 1-10 on xSplit and the buffer/buffer regions affect how the stream looks (and how much more upload speed this requires?) I have a super fast internet here in my dorm like 70 mb/s upload but only my mediocre laptop (AMD A6-3000 Quad Core 1.4Ghz/2.3Ghz turbo, radeon 6720g2 graphics), while at home I have a pretty good computer but super slow internet 0.37 mb/s upload.
Think i pretty much mentioned that one in one of the videos. You should check it out.
Thanks I watched it. I think I will leave quality at 6, since quality takes up CPU and bandwidth. VBV max bitrate 500 kbps, max buffer 800 kbps (it was 500 before). Since my internet is super fast here at the dorms but CPU is not so good, I changed the preset to ultrafast as you suggested. Does Audio encoding at a higher bitrate cause more strain on the CPU? For example, would 44 KHz 16 bit stereo 128kbps be more straining on CPU than 44 KHz 16 bit stereo 96kbps or even 22 KHz? Exactly how much more strenuous on the CPU would be increasing resolution from 640x360 to 768x432 or 640x480 (thats not the right aspect ratio so I don't know what that will do)
Also I think this was in your video but Optimize Text Resize does that have any negative effects for you?
Thanks so much!
Changing your preset to ultra fast on 500kbps i dont think it would be such a great idea. See if you get any pixelization in your stream 1st. About Audio Encoding , on 500kbps it will matter alot since you are already giving 128kbps to the audio and whats left goes for the video. So there isnt any balance there. I suggest yu to lower the KHZ keep it stereo. About the resulution i really can not calculate exact numbers how % usage while using them.
Yeah there was some pixelization when at 500 kbps but my upload speed is 70 mb/s so I will increase that to 1000 kbps or so, I'll let you know how that goes thanks!
Is there a way to have DXtory stop actually processing the recording? I think that's why I get stutters because DXTory actually makes a recording while I'm streaming, so my CPU gets choked up.
On October 20 2011 08:40 Torte de Lini wrote: Is there a way to have DXtory stop actually processing the recording? I think that's why I get stutters because DXTory actually makes a recording while I'm streaming, so my CPU gets choked up.
(3.4 Ghz Phenom II x4)
I can barely understand what you mean by that ?
If you are saying that while recording . dxtory is as well recording it in your hardware than its not ur CPU whos making ur chokes. Its ur HDD. You can turn local recording off in Dxtory and see for how it goes.
On October 20 2011 08:40 Torte de Lini wrote: Is there a way to have DXtory stop actually processing the recording? I think that's why I get stutters because DXTory actually makes a recording while I'm streaming, so my CPU gets choked up.
(3.4 Ghz Phenom II x4)
I can barely understand what you mean by that ?
If you are saying that while recording . dxtory is as well recording it in your hardware than its not ur CPU whos making ur chokes. Its ur HDD. You can turn local recording off in Dxtory and see for how it goes.
On October 20 2011 08:40 Torte de Lini wrote: Is there a way to have DXtory stop actually processing the recording? I think that's why I get stutters because DXTory actually makes a recording while I'm streaming, so my CPU gets choked up.
(3.4 Ghz Phenom II x4)
I can barely understand what you mean by that ?
If you are saying that while recording . dxtory is as well recording it in your hardware than its not ur CPU whos making ur chokes. Its ur HDD. You can turn local recording off in Dxtory and see for how it goes.
How do I turn it off?
Under the movie tab you will see File output , uncheck that one and you should be fine.
I'm currently have trouble streaming starcaft 2 in medium quality but I still get like 90fps but the stream looks really choppy. I dont get any lag in sc2 when I play but the stream does. http://www.twitch.tv/goodseed/b/297973703 Setting I used in this stream, 30fps ( also tried with 25fps) 1152x720 2000bitrate 4000buffer rate Quality 10 veryfast preset
Nono , Buffer wont cause you anything ingame , it will only affect the stream . But however your problem is very odd and im still trying to figure out what might possibly be.. I have no clue so far i am sorry. You PC is insanely well enough to keep up good streaming + sc2 without a problem but u still seems to have problems from somewhere.
On October 22 2011 20:45 Nepsilon wrote: Nono , Buffer wont cause you anything ingame , it will only affect the stream . But however your problem is very odd and im still trying to figure out what might possibly be.. I have no clue so far i am sorry. You PC is insanely well enough to keep up good streaming + sc2 without a problem but u still seems to have problems from somewhere.
Well okay, lets go back to the basics, what would generally affect in-game performance when it comes to streaming?
Its the CPU but your CPU can handle it more than well. And how is it possible that you can feel it in some maps but in some you cant. I dont get that part.
On October 22 2011 20:45 Nepsilon wrote: You PC is insanely well enough to keep up good streaming + sc2 without a problem
On October 22 2011 23:13 Nepsilon wrote: [...] your CPU can handle it more than well.
Well, I would just like to point out that he has an OC'ed two year old i7 950. In my humble opinion an i7 2600k is more than able to handle sc2+streaming, an i7 950 will easily get maxed (if and) once you mess with the "preset" configuration even in 720p.
I would recommend dTox to monitor latency and temperatures to figure out where the problems comes from (Use "Task Manager/Resource Manager" to monitor CPU usage and latency and some 3rd party tool to monitor the temps of CPU and GPU. I'd also like to ask him, if this behavior began when he started to use Dxtory, and if it happens when not streaming (sorry if I missed those answers somewhere).
On October 23 2011 02:54 dTox wrote: My CPU is not OC'd and curretnly running at stock clocks.
You said previously that your CPU ran at 3.6 GHz, so I assumed it was OC'ed (stock is 3.06 GHz!). That's ok though . You also said you monitored the FPS and it was constant 50-60 right? I think you need to be sure if this is the case. Use the CTRL+ALT+F feature. Do not mess the the preset on you stock cpu. Finally (again), are you having these issues when not streaming and when not using dxtory?
On October 23 2011 02:54 dTox wrote: My CPU is not OC'd and curretnly running at stock clocks.
You said previously that your CPU ran at 3.6 GHz, so I assumed it was OC'ed (stock is 3.06 GHz!). That's ok though . You also said you monitored the FPS and it was constant 50-60 right? I think you need to be sure if this is the case. Use the CTRL+ALT+F feature. Do not mess the the preset on you stock cpu. Finally (again), are you having these issues when not streaming and when not using dxtory?
Sorry, i meant 3.06 hehe. By FPS, i meant the FPS that Dxtory was reporting whilst streaming. Usually sits around 80-120 in-game before i hit the record button, then it usually drops down to a solid 60-90. Sometimes dropping below 50 but rarely. Usually this is when it starts to feel sluggish. Nope, game runs fine when im not streaming, its only when i hit 'Broadcast' that the FPS drops and i start to feel the sluggish behaviour, but again, not always.
EDIT: Well i just played without anything else open and watched the FPS. I'm a little boggled, as i run most things on medium bar a few things on high, and my average FPS is like 60-80, and it even drops a bit lower during fights. This makes no sense, as that's pretty weak for my computer IMO. I wonder if it is purely an FPS related issue that is magnified when streaming.
Can you try repairing Sc2 if that will make any difference ? This for sure is ur PC problem and not the streaming. As well try some game like Crysis if you have or more CPU intense game and see if oyu get some bad performance in them. It might help you see where the problem is.
On October 23 2011 22:38 dTox wrote: Whats boggling me though is that when im streaming the slowdowns/sluggish behaviour occurs even when my FPS is around 50-60. You should never experience slow-down when you're above 50fps, only below 30, unless SC2 is coded differently.
Sounds like standard latency/bottlenecked internet to me? You should monitor the latency during a long game and especially when it "lags". A quick test would be to play a offline game vs. the AI via the "Single Player" menu. Do you feel the random sluggish behavior there?
well i tryed today some normal video recording with dxtory but it seems that i cant stop the record .. some weird problem and after 45min i didnt found the solution, any1 had a similar problem and knows the solution? would be cool.
On October 12 2011 06:49 Corrosive wrote: Directshow with DXTORY only works when i have File Output selected aswell. If i have File Output unchecked it will not even start. i have tried many different hotkeys, even normal keys such as W, A, S, D, all Fnumber keys. But directshow does work if i have file output selected. Unfortunately i don't have enough hard drive space to have file output selected every time i want to stream. Does anyone know what is wrong? Thanks
On October 12 2011 06:49 Corrosive wrote: Directshow with DXTORY only works when i have File Output selected aswell. If i have File Output unchecked it will not even start. i have tried many different hotkeys, even normal keys such as W, A, S, D, all Fnumber keys. But directshow does work if i have file output selected. Unfortunately i don't have enough hard drive space to have file output selected every time i want to stream. Does anyone know what is wrong? Thanks
Same problem as well. Ive been trying to figure something out but theres no reason for it. Anyone figure it out?
@dTox Thanks for the update. I think it is important to repeat that streaming will affect your overall gaming experience. Dxtory definitely makes it a lot less noticeable, but it cannot be compared to playing while not streaming. I'm starting to think you are in the very sensitive group of gamers that notices even small amounts of FPS drops and latency issues. The effects of streaming are very subjective and some just get used to the extra input lag and FPS drops . That said your system is not "more than enough" to stream - you are by no means scraping the bottom of the barrel here, but you are far away from a 'top of the line rig' too.
To your question about picture quality, I'll state the resolution is the primary factor here. It is extremely difficult to get a crisp 540p picture, simply because most viewers watch it on their 1080p monitor - upscaling is not pretty no matter what. If your gaming standards require you to lower your resolution to 540p, you shouldn't expect high picture quality, but my advice would be to increase the 'preset' settings to 'medium' or slower (try out several and observe cpu usage), increase the upload speed to (even more) near max and set 'quality' to 10. Dxtory doesn't support the "optimize text feature" that XSplit has, which is what your asking for, to make text look sharper - I'm guessing those streams you are refering to, does not use Dxtory?
Haven't had that problem. Try un-installing, and install the latest .109 version. You might wanna check your GPU drivers as well... if nothing else helps, I would write the Dxtory author.
I really dont see how some of you with i5 2500k's are having issues with streamin. I have a Phenom II 700e that I oc'd to 3.0 GHz (which is still bad) and I stream in 720p with no problems at all. If you dont believe me, go check out some of my vods.
On November 04 2011 00:18 AeroEffect wrote: I really dont see how some of you with i5 2500k's are having issues with streamin. I have a Phenom II 700e that I oc'd to 3.0 GHz (which is still bad) and I stream in 720p with no problems at all. If you dont believe me, go check out some of my vods.
I don't think that is the problem, it's more like that people have different expectations. When you run XSplit - just running it, not streaming, no matter your CPU, you will suffer FPS drops of about half what you have when it's not running - Dxtory helps on that, but still streaming is immensely CPU intensive and as such your overall gaming experience will suffer (if you know where to look) - as I said, for some that is a deal-breaker, for some it just takes some getting used to. Also, streaming is still in its infancy and mostly you cannot just plug-n-play and have great results - those people that do not have the patience to try every single combination of settings or have the technical insight, are usually the ones with "issues" that write in threads like this
Edit: Just watched one of your VODs. Your stream is really nice and you obviously hit some good settings. But it's not perfect - ie. the SCVs are skipping over the ground (unit movement is not smooth). Still gj on the quality and all .
Nepsilon what settings on xsplit do you have for your upload rate? I have an upload of 2 and I'm unsure of how much upload i need to get at least 720p.
any *720 resolution would work Quality i dont see there any differences, most ppl use around 6-8 May bitrate i would recommend 1.500 since you got 2.360 total but u wanna have some space or lagspikes will apear in bigger fights buffer x2 the bitrate means 3.000 will be fine sounds just some medium stereo sound
Haven't had that problem. Try un-installing, and install the latest .109 version. You might wanna check your GPU drivers as well... if nothing else helps, I would write the Dxtory author.
Yeah, I tried older and newer versions and upgraded my drivers
On November 04 2011 17:31 zZygote wrote: Nepsilon what settings on xsplit do you have for your upload rate? I have an upload of 2 and I'm unsure of how much upload i need to get at least 720p. + Show Spoiler +
On November 04 2011 16:56 trinitykilla wrote: i put my output on directshow output and when i press F12 it doesnt work .. when i put on the other file output it works but lags a lot Help please
On November 04 2011 17:59 StuartLove wrote: any *720 resolution would work Quality i dont see there any differences, most ppl use around 6-8 May bitrate i would recommend 1.500 since you got 2.360 total but u wanna have some space or lagspikes will apear in bigger fights buffer x2 the bitrate means 3.000 will be fine sounds just some medium stereo sound
etc..? what ya mean with that?
Thanks for the general input this was what I was looking for
Edit: The numbers arent turning orange when I press F12. I've tried running both programs on admin and they still wouldn't record. I've also tried fullscreening and what not and it still didn't work. I've got the same settings as the video, (only changed the resolution) so... what gives?
On November 05 2011 06:37 zZygote wrote: Edit: The numbers arent turning orange when I press F12. I've tried running both programs on admin and they still wouldn't record. I've also tried fullscreening and what not and it still didn't work. I've got the same settings as the video, (only changed the resolution) so... what gives?
For a lot of people it helps to check the "File Output" (whether you want to or not) and try again - it seems there's a bug i Dxtory for some people - maybe write the author about it.
I've wanted to be able to record or stream games. XSplit just making my comp load so now I'm using Dxtory + XSplit. Shame I cant record in good quality with graphics settings on SC2 over Medium tho. Im used to playing on Ultra settings
On November 10 2011 02:15 dTox wrote: My stream doesn't seem to be as clear as it used to be. 960x540 resolution @ 700 bitrate, 850buffer, 1MB upload. Seems to go a little blurry during movement. Is it purely the bit-rate that can affect this or something else? Should i increase bitrate? I thought 700 would be enough.
Yeah, it's mostly the bitrate, but also the "preset", "quality" and to some degree the SC2 graphics settings you use (the lower, the simpler and thus easier to compress without blur occuring)
On November 10 2011 04:14 dTox wrote: So perhaps i should lower quality down from 10 to 7, and up the bitrate by about 50? Do the presets make much difference? Thanks again mate, if you play Zerg i can perhaps help you in return
Adjusting bitrate by 50 kbit/s is unfortunately not going to give you any clearly visible change . It's all tied together, but personally I think preset is the most underestimated quality adjustment - however it really demands a powerful CPU to go beyond "default" (aka "veryfast").
The best thing you could do is simply set the bitrate as high as it allows without lag* and then adjust quality/preset while monitoring your CPU usage and streaming a replay with 200/200 armies.
*This will become so much easier in one of the next XSplit updates, when the "bandwidth test" feature gets introduced.
On November 10 2011 04:54 dTox wrote: Right then, thanks. I will continue to adjust! In the meantime, perhaps you could do me one last favor and watch this recording from today, skip it to some action and let me know what you think of the visibility in fullscreen? Is it watchable to you?
I guess it's subjective - I wouldn't mind watching it, but the blurring is pretty bad - especially (and naturally) when you move the screen from one place to another quickly. Is the VOD from after the tweaking?
On November 12 2011 18:58 Flaiker wrote: One question: Does the XSplit premium gamesource feature remove the chopiness at all / as well as dxtory? Anyone tested this?
There appears to be cases of "security related" software that blocks DXtory from starting (not entirely sure if this is meant for the application or the capturing though). See this: http://forum.dxtory.com/index.php?topic=1138.0
Thanks for spreading the word about Dxtory, and you're right. Using xSplit for capture brings my i7 system to a crawl. ~20-40fps. With this I'm losing about 15 frames total for all the games I've tried.
My upload is a little bit better than yours, but I'm not able to replicate your quality. xSplit just blurs and pixelates the screen so much when there's any movement. Tried lowering and increasing the VBV Buffer with little to no improvement.
Any recommendations? I get 0.6MB to San Francisco via SpeedTest.net results
On November 22 2011 08:13 Unfeared wrote: Fixed the problem of not recording(or only when File output is on) by downgrading to 1.0.8, the download's on the site.
I'll repeat my request for Nepsilon to copy/paste some of the nice-to-know-things (like bugs, tips, fixes) into the OP - would save a lot of time for readers of the guide as well as those who help answer questions
I'm having a problem where everything (xsplit and DXtory) work up until the point where I enter a SC2 game or replay. Nothing crashes, it just displays a black screen until I exit the game replay, and everything starts working again.
Turns out that my problem is actually that SC2 stops streaming every time I alt tab, immediately resuming once I tab back in. Anyone got a fix for this?
On November 23 2011 10:52 Nadir wrote: Turns out that my problem is actually that SC2 stops streaming every time I alt tab, immediately resuming once I tab back in. Anyone got a fix for this?
Does this behavior also happen without using DXTory? And what is your "window mode" set to in SC2?
Hi I need some help with my settings. I set up dxtory and xsplit using the settings in the vieo guides and am still getting a verry choppy stream. here is a link http://www.twitch.tv/riclee88/b/300797310
My upload is .9mb local and .4mb to San Francisco phenom x6 1090T 3.2ghz 12gb DDR3 gtx 560ti 1920x1080 Monitor resolution, but stream at 1280 x 720.
Frame rate is 20 Default Preset Quality: 10 Max Bitrate: 500 VBV buffer: 800
On November 25 2011 04:25 Sprite_ wrote: Hi I need some help with my settings. I set up dxtory and xsplit using the settings in the vieo guides and am still getting a verry choppy stream. here is a link http://www.twitch.tv/riclee88/b/300797310
My upload is .9mb local and .4mb to San Francisco [...] Max Bitrate: 500
You're trying to stream 500 kbit/s (+32 kbit/s audio) on a 400 kbit/s upload. That won't work Try streaming to a different server (San Franciso may be the closest, but it seems the vast majority uses that server, so it may pay off to try a different server due to ingestion).
Also, in the latest XSplit released there's a "Test bandwidth" button in the Twitch.tv settings window - use it, and set your combined bitrate (video+audio) to just below the test result. Note: It is important to do this while playing SC2 or running a good high-food action-packed replay.
I strongly encourage people not to blindly trust the result of Speedtest.net. It is only a rough estimate on the bandwidth to whatever server you choose, but it will never be the actual streaming server at Twitch.tv. Therefore use the far more precise measurement feature (the "Test Bandwidth" button) that Twitch.tv now has built into their XSplit plugin.
My issue! im sorry for being a bit of a noob here but the problem is got is that i cant upload to justin.tv from the Xplit without having a crash on Flash or Xplit itself, anyone had this problem and what am i doing wrong. and can someone tell me how they did their setup at the webpage at either livestream.com or justin.tv ?? much appreciated.
On November 27 2011 01:35 Starkfarsan wrote: My issue! im sorry for being a bit of a noob here but the problem is got is that i cant upload to justin.tv from the Xplit without having a crash on Flash or Xplit itself, anyone had this problem and what am i doing wrong. and can someone tell me how they did their setup at the webpage at either livestream.com or justin.tv ?? much appreciated.
a) Are you using DXtory? If so, does it crash when not used? If not, you're kind of in the wrong thread b) Have you already tried re-installing Flash and XSplit? c) Can you stream to another provider, ie. Own3d?
On November 29 2011 06:00 kaishui wrote: nice guide, but didnt help me
still get the stuttering especially when is scroll as soon as xsplit is running (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=176149)
Please try and make a new presentation in the "File menu". 9/10 times this helps. The reason is that something is "stuck" and still using the old capture driver. I had this problem initially when I tried DXTory the first time too.
hey. i was wrong. it did help. a little stutter is normal, its even when xsplit is closed. i forgot that, and tought i had absolutley NO stutter usually. wrong.
i compared the stuttering dxtory+xsplit / xsplit only, and with the screensource dxtory its MUCH smoother. thank you very much.
I've been trying to use Dxtory with XSplit for some quality testing purposes, but I am finding that I can never actually "start recording". My default hotkey is F12, and even when I try to switch the hotkey It still won't work. I can take screenshots, but I can not "start recording".
Does anyone have this issue / a fix? Kindly appreciated
Everything works well except for one thing. Without Dxtory open and not recording/streaming I get an easy 70 FPS while playing WoW, but when I start recording/streaming it drops down about 50% so I get about 35 FPS, then when I open xsplit it drops down to 25 FPS and when I start streaming, I get 15 FPS. How do I solve this?
On November 29 2011 07:37 Kolvacs wrote: I've been trying to use Dxtory with XSplit for some quality testing purposes, but I am finding that I can never actually "start recording". My default hotkey is F12, and even when I try to switch the hotkey It still won't work. I can take screenshots, but I can not "start recording".
Does anyone have this issue / a fix? Kindly appreciated
On November 29 2011 08:49 Ivanrah wrote: Everything works well except for one thing. Without Dxtory open and not recording/streaming I get an easy 70 FPS while playing WoW, but when I start recording/streaming it drops down about 50% so I get about 35 FPS, then when I open xsplit it drops down to 25 FPS and when I start streaming, I get 15 FPS. How do I solve this?
You say that it drops 50% when you start the DXTory "record/stream" (before XSplit is started). DXTory does not stream anything, so I assuming you're solely talking about recording. You may want to avoid that - the drop could be related to your hardware not being up to the job. The rest of the drops are almost certainly related to my link though some amount of FPS drop is mandatory.
On November 29 2011 07:37 Kolvacs wrote: I've been trying to use Dxtory with XSplit for some quality testing purposes, but I am finding that I can never actually "start recording". My default hotkey is F12, and even when I try to switch the hotkey It still won't work. I can take screenshots, but I can not "start recording".
Does anyone have this issue / a fix? Kindly appreciated
so i have xsplit and dxtory windows 7 64 bits service pack 1 amd atlon(tm) II x4 processor 2.4 gh RAM 4 gb nvidia gt 240 monitor 1280x1024 15mb 1up so can u help me how i can configure that for a good stream?
On November 30 2011 10:59 ditotti wrote: someone can help me
so i have xsplit and dxtory windows 7 64 bits service pack 1 amd atlon(tm) II x4 processor 2.4 gh RAM 4 gb nvidia gt 240 monitor 1280x1024 15mb 1up so can u help me how i can configure that for a good stream?
Unfortunately your hardware is severely limiting your options. Depending on the specific model of your CPU, I would suggest a 480p stream - maybe 560p. My suggestion for settings: Stream: 480p @ 20 or 25 FPS Location (assuming Twitch.tv): Use a server near you Preset: Default Quality: 6 Max bitrate/buffer: 600/600 (<-- adjust this as high you can while avoiding lag - keep under 800) Audio: 44.1KHz, 16 bit stereo, 64.000 bit/s
Monitor your CPU usage while streaming - if it is ever maxed and it lags, you need to lower stream resolution.
Hey, I'm using DXTory with my friend and he keeps getting black bars on the left and right of his video. Any way to fix that? They show on his XSplit too.
On December 04 2011 08:59 Torte de Lini wrote: Hey, I'm using DXTory with my friend and he keeps getting black bars on the left and right of his video. Any way to fix that? They show on his XSplit too.
Having a problem. I have everything set like the video. When I load up a game and press f12 it starts recording. When I go to xsplit it isn't showing anything. When I go to my stream in j.TV its showing q blank page. Also it doesn't go live. It shows the video once I've stopped. Any help?
On December 06 2011 06:04 Cs Titan wrote: a) When I go to xsplit it isn't showing anything. When I go to my stream in j.TV its showing q blank page. b)Also it doesn't go live. It shows the video once I've stopped.
Ad a) You probably forgot to add the DXTory as a "camera". Ad b) I don't understand what you mean by this. In a) you state it does go live, now it isn't? It is supposed to show VODs when you're not live.
Yea. I added it as a camera to scene 1. Dxtory 1 is all it shows. What I mean by it doesn't go live is, when I select to go live to j.TV, then I go to my page, its not showing I'm live. When I stop the recording, it uploads it as a blank cod file.
On December 06 2011 06:47 Cs Titan wrote: Yea. I added it as a camera to scene 1. Dxtory 1 is all it shows. What I mean by it doesn't go live is, when I select to go live to j.TV, then I go to my page, its not showing I'm live. When I stop the recording, it uploads it as a blank cod file.
You keep saying it doesn't go live, but it does - the proof is that you see a VOD - blank or not, but everything seems to work about going live.
Please paste some screen shots of DXTory settings, including the window "DXtory Video Setting" (it's the yellow button) and the XSplit main window while streaming. I can only guess, but it sounds like you skipped a configuration somewhere. Additionally: - Is the XSplit title bar indicating you're live? If not, stream to a different server (location setting). - Can you stream without DXTory? - Did you by accident forget to configure the "DXTory Video setting" or did you maybe configuere something else than "Output1"? - Did you enable "DirectShow Output" under the DXTory settings tab "Movie", "Output" box?
Sorry. I haven't been home to get screen shots, but I followed the video and input the same settings. I believe my problem is getting DxTory into xsplit. I'll post the screens when I get home tomorrow if I have time.
But here is what I remember happening. I would launch Skyrim in full screen mode. Press f12. The top left would turn orange indicating that its capturing. Thend I would go to xsplit, go live. It turned red at the top indicating I was live. Then I would go back to skyrim, load up my save, on my other PC I would go to my stream and nothing. So I'll get those pics up asap
On December 07 2011 08:30 Torte de Lini wrote: Weird, my DXtory won't work. I press F12 and the numbers dont go orange. We didn't change any settings and my friend is having the same issue.
Just wanted to say this method of streaming is working far better than XSplit alone.
I'm still tinkering with the settings, but I'm running a Quad i5 2.66ghz with a crap upload of <1.00mbps and I'm streaming at 30FPS no problem. Absolutely awesome. Xsplit alone was dragging me down to like 10FPS.
Hmmm! Still working out the kinks, but I've run into a problem with getting Dxtory to record sound from my mic.
It's picking up all the game sounds great, but nothing from my mic. Under the audio set up, I have 2 sources. First from Speakers (in game sound), and the second from my webcam (my mic). Both are set to record sound, but my commentary isn't making it in the stream.
In Xsplit under the General settings under Audio I have my mic (webcam) selected, with silence detection unchecked.
Under my sound hardware my webcam is set to my default mic, and detects sound no problem.
On December 08 2011 05:15 Genetic wrote: Hmmm! Still working out the kinks, but I've run into a problem with getting Dxtory to record sound from my mic.
It's picking up all the game sounds great, but nothing from my mic. Under the audio set up, I have 2 sources. First from Speakers (in game sound), and the second from my webcam (my mic). Both are set to record sound, but my commentary isn't making it in the stream.
In Xsplit under the General settings under Audio I have my mic (webcam) selected, with silence detection unchecked.
Under my sound hardware my webcam is set to my default mic, and detects sound no problem.
Anyone have any idea what I am missing?
DXTory is only capturing the video - no audio is affected/controlled/used by it (well, except for local recording of course).
It's unfortunately not the first time a mic doesn't get picked up by XSplit. Try enabling Stereo Mix if you haven't already (just Google it) and/or try out VAC (Virtual Audio Cable) to circumvent the issue. You could also try different (newer/older) sound card drivers or report it on the XSplit forum.
So I've been trying to figure out my stream for the past few days, and no luck. Whenever I stream, and check the recorded video that gets sent to Twitch, the video just sits at 0:00 and I'm unable to play it. I updated Flash Player, tried it in Firefox and Chrome, but it just sits at 0:00... any ideas?? I'm getting regular numbers for kbits when I start streaming, so it's not like it's not being sent to Twitch.
Comp Specs: i7 6-core CPU 3.33 GHz 12 gb ram 64 bit win 7 nvidia geforce gtx 590
On January 04 2012 06:34 xTheWordAlivex wrote: So I've been trying to figure out my stream for the past few days, and no luck. Whenever I stream, and check the recorded video that gets sent to Twitch, the video just sits at 0:00 and I'm unable to play it. I updated Flash Player, tried it in Firefox and Chrome, but it just sits at 0:00... any ideas?? I'm getting regular numbers for kbits when I start streaming, so it's not like it's not being sent to Twitch. Any help would be greatly appreciated, I've been struggling with this for a while now. Thanks!
Your VODs work fine for me. Must be a browser/flash issue, not stream-related.
Your VODs work fine for me. Must be a browser/flash issue, not stream-related.
Thanks for checking, I appreciate it! Yeah I tried later in the day and they worked fine. Was streaming perfectly up until about 30 min. ago, now whenever I try to start streaming XSplit starts with a bitrate of about 1kbits, then goes to 0 and all frames are continuously dropped. Just can't seem to go more than a day without problems :\
On January 05 2012 07:59 xTheWordAlivex wrote: XSplit starts with a bitrate of about 1kbits, then goes to 0 and all frames are continuously dropped. Just can't seem to go more than a day without problems :\
Try using a different location - pretty sure it's not a XSplit issue
Hey, I've been following your guide and it does me great wonders. however whenever I try to stream Street fighter 4, it doesn't ever show up. I followed everything and it works for SC2 but for SSF4 (PC), it won't record/stream.
On January 07 2012 09:07 MiyaviTeddy wrote: whenever I try to stream Street fighter 4, it doesn't ever show up. I followed everything and it works for SC2 but for SSF4 (PC), it won't record/stream. Any thoughts?
Try shifting the game into fullscreen, windowed fullscreen or windowed mode.
well my expierience is with the vhscreencap it tend to slow your pc down by alot you can second that program to test wise with adobe fme but xsplit use it too and with high resolutions 1080p it just destroys fps and performance by alot for some reasons while it runs great with 1024x768 eg. using my black magic intensity i got no problems at all since it uses another source too
On January 08 2012 01:00 Nightcrawler wrote: well my expierience is with the vhscreencap it tend to slow your pc down by alot you can second that program to test wise with adobe fme but xsplit use it too and with high resolutions 1080p it just destroys fps and performance by alot for some reasons while it runs great with 1024x768 eg. using my black magic intensity i got no problems at all since it uses another source too
I'm not sure if you read the OP at all . This is a guide for how to circumvent the rather bad performance by vhscrcap, so your comments are not really related. Using BMI (capture cards) is also kind of irrelevant to this topic. Also please use comma+puntuation marks - your post is so hard to read );
Finally I want to state that XSplit has two methods of screen capture: Screen region (vhscrcap) and GameSource. The latter used to have pretty bad performance, but the XSplit team has been improving it seriously these last weeks. Expect it to be released to the public soon. Note: GameSource is only available to subscribed users, so DXtory may still be viable for some in the future.
I get all settings maxed out on 1280x768 resolution with 120+ fps.
So I did everything stated in the videos, watched them all. When I stream, it lags. I guess you could say I could still 'play', but it's really too laggy to play competitively. When I lowered my quality from Ultra to Low, the exact same type of lag still existed and didn't change at all. My fps drops, and lag is really the best way to put it - I select a drone, I don't actually end up selecting it until a second later. Things just dont respond as sharply.
I set all my settings as you recommended and did in the OP, and was wondering how to further tweak it for my low performance.
The fps during a game drops to about 10, CPU load is around maybe 50-70 and the ram at around 80%. Maybe it's pushing the limits but it doesnt seem to be capping out.
On January 10 2012 02:06 Belial88 wrote: I get all settings maxed out on 1280x768 resolution with 120+ fps. [...] When I stream, it lags. I guess you could say I could still 'play', but it's really too laggy to play competitively [...] The fps during a game drops to about 10, CPU load is around maybe 50-70
Can you tell me your performance numbers (FPS/CPU etc) without using DXTory?
Try creating a blank new Presentation - sometimes there's some "residual" scene items stock. You will be able to feel the difference if everything is setup right. If the input lag is still there afterwards, please check all the settings again, chances are you skipped something, ie. setting output to DirectShow only etc.
As of today, all personal or premium XSplit users can take advantage of the new and much improved GameSource feature in XSplit. It now supports an ever growing list of DX9, DX10 and DX11 fullscreen and windowed fullscreen games. Performance for Starcraft 2 has been particularly improved since earlier versions. Please try out v1.0.1201.0504 (link).
I tried the new version of game capture from XSplit and for me using dxtory still nets better results (more fps while playing). granted, I am not streaming sc2 though so take it with a grain of salt. my machine specs: Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 750 @ 2.67GHz (4 CPUs), OC at 3.5 ghz Memory: 8192MB RAM Video Card Sapphire Radeon HD 6970 2048MB DDR5 DP core clock 880 MHz memory speed 5500 MHz shader clock 1375) 2mbit upload (selected London Secondary as location from Xsplit channel settings). Tomorrow I am getting a i5 2500k cpu and a new z68 motherboard, that will hopefully improve performance. While playing SWTOR in warzones my fps sometimes drops to 25 which is dangerously close to the low limit imo. Try using the trial dxtory and see if you get better results. I know, the logo is annoying as hell but it's just a test, see if it's worth buying. I own both atm, Xsplit may improve even more their game source capturing thingy but, since I don't have fraps, dxtory is a nice addition. Gluck!. Edit:Streaming at 1280x720 resolution, playing at 1680x1050, while using XSplit game source fps drops to 15ish while in pvp/warzones. Using DXtory, 25ish to 30.
On January 11 2012 22:48 scMellOw wrote: Only problem remaining is my screen flickering.. Not for me but when I watch something I recorded it's flickering all over the place.
That's most likely because your game is in true fullscreen mode - try switching it to windowed fullscreen if it supports it. If it doesn't the only way to remove the flicker is to use the Gamesource feature in xsplit (supports fullscreen) or maybe try DXTory.
when i hit my hotkey for dxtory (it starts recording) my game performance goes to shit (all choppy, feels like 5-10fps). what are the most likely casues for this? i keep trying different settings in xsplit (quality, preset, etc) but nothing seems to be helping.
just for the record i followed destinys guide to fme and vhscreen and 1080p 25fps worked pretty well. even spawned like 200 creeps in hon just to test it out. i didnt bother with the sound since i was merely testing my system capabilities (brand new setup so wasn't sure what i could handle). result is here: http://www.justin.tv/dye44/b/305217247 i assume some minor tweaking will improve the clarity/pixels/blurry-ness (what causes this?)
for some reason i get huge game lag when using dxtory + xsplit...just wondering what might be wrong??
On January 10 2012 14:04 HellGreen wrote: I have some news fresh off the XSplit website.
As of today, all personal or premium XSplit users can take advantage of the new and much improved GameSource feature in XSplit. It now supports an ever growing list of DX9, DX10 and DX11 fullscreen and windowed fullscreen games. Performance for Starcraft 2 has been particularly improved since earlier versions. Please try out v1.0.1201.0504 (link).
On January 12 2012 15:06 LittleAtari wrote: do you know how I would access GameSource in Xsplit? I do have a prepaid license but I dont see it anywhere in the settings =/
Enable it in options, restart, look in File menu for the "Add game..." option.
On January 12 2012 11:11 Effen wrote: when i hit my hotkey for dxtory (it starts recording) my game performance goes to shit (all choppy, feels like 5-10fps). what are the most likely casues for this? i keep trying different settings in xsplit (quality, preset, etc) but nothing seems to be helping.
just for the record i followed destinys guide to fme and vhscreen and 1080p 25fps worked pretty well. even spawned like 200 creeps in hon just to test it out. i didnt bother with the sound since i was merely testing my system capabilities (brand new setup so wasn't sure what i could handle). result is here: http://www.justin.tv/dye44/b/305217247 i assume some minor tweaking will improve the clarity/pixels/blurry-ness (what causes this?)
for some reason i get huge game lag when using dxtory + xsplit...just wondering what might be wrong??
Turning on DXTory shouldn't impact performance at all. Make sure you haven't activated compression in DXTory and uncheck "Record to file" too. Also make sure your video settings (resolution/fps) are set up right.
In XSplit, create a fresh new presentation and only add DXTory (for the purpose of this test). This should do the trick.
Blurryness and pixelation are most commonly due to too low bitrate or too fast a preset. If you want my input on your settings I need you to post them + your hardware specs.
i cannot stream with xsplit alone because it gives me game lag. if this guide allows me to stream on my laptop, i don't care if you've murdered, stolen, treason'd. I will sing your praises forever. going to work now.
On January 12 2012 11:11 Effen wrote: when i hit my hotkey for dxtory (it starts recording) my game performance goes to shit (all choppy, feels like 5-10fps). what are the most likely casues for this? i keep trying different settings in xsplit (quality, preset, etc) but nothing seems to be helping.
just for the record i followed destinys guide to fme and vhscreen and 1080p 25fps worked pretty well. even spawned like 200 creeps in hon just to test it out. i didnt bother with the sound since i was merely testing my system capabilities (brand new setup so wasn't sure what i could handle). result is here: http://www.justin.tv/dye44/b/305217247 i assume some minor tweaking will improve the clarity/pixels/blurry-ness (what causes this?)
for some reason i get huge game lag when using dxtory + xsplit...just wondering what might be wrong??
Turning on DXTory shouldn't impact performance at all. Make sure you haven't activated compression in DXTory and uncheck "Record to file" too. Also make sure your video settings (resolution/fps) are set up right.
In XSplit, create a fresh new presentation and only add DXTory (for the purpose of this test). This should do the trick.
Blurryness and pixelation are most commonly due to too low bitrate or too fast a preset. If you want my input on your settings I need you to post them + your hardware specs.
i know its not a hardware issue because my FME + VHScreen capture runs 30fps at 1080p pretty damn well. Its gotta be something simple with dxtory.
i followed the video exactly. the only difference I see is dxtory version 2.0.108 vs 2.0.104 (I'm using .108). even without my stream running, if i just open up a game and then have dxtory "record" my fps drops from like 150 to 30 (based upon the dxtory FPS monitor at the top left) and the game is unplayable. the second i turn off the recording (just using my hotkey) the game is flawless and playable again. something simple has gotta be screwed up within dxtory.
starting a new presentation had no effect.
i took a SS of every page in dxtory w/ my settings lol. open the spoiler to see (ive tried every codec format from low to true):
On January 12 2012 17:21 Effen wrote: specs: i2500k @ 4.5ghz/8gb 1600 ram/5.8gb/sec upload/gtx 560ti 448 core gpu
i know its not a hardware issue because my FME + VHScreen capture runs 30fps at 1080p pretty damn well. Its gotta be something simple with dxtory.
Thank you for the detailed reply Could you try doing the same test (monitor 'DXTory FPS' with DXTory running/not running), but without having XSplit started please. What does that show?
On January 12 2012 19:36 Effen wrote: without xpslit on the exact same thing happens. dxtory shows my fps at like 160 before i hit f12. after i hit f12 it drops to about 28
I know cs 1.6 and HON are much different, but with dxtory my cs 1.6 looks amazing while streaming (30fps in a first person shooter can be choppy with fast movements but overall this is about as much as i can ask for streaming 1080p)
My stream is now stuttering a bit even with the OP settings - which was fine back then. I think the XSplit update broke this method or I am doing something very stupid.
I get 90fps while streaming, but the output varies between 29-30-31fps - I think this is what makes the stream stutter. Before XSplit updated I had 30fps with no variation T.T
On January 13 2012 21:09 zeroISM wrote: My stream is now stuttering a bit even with the OP settings - which was fine back then. I think the XSplit update broke this method or I am doing something very stupid.
I get 90fps while streaming, but the output varies between 29-30-31fps - I think this is what makes the stream stutter. Before XSplit updated I had 30fps with no variation T.T
If you get 29-31 FPS on the output (how did you measure this?), I don't think you "stream stutter" is related to that. Check your bandwidth settings and for dropped frames
question for those of you with dxtory. how many of you "got it from a friend" instead of paying for it? if your awfully nice friend gave it to you, is it workign for you? i think this might be my problem...
On January 14 2012 07:55 Effen wrote: question for those of you with dxtory. how many of you "got it from a friend" instead of paying for it? if your awfully nice friend gave it to you, is it workign for you? i think this might be my problem...
Use the trial version that is available for free. + Show Spoiler +
IF that is your problem, I'm sorry but I can't help you then. Neither I nor TL condones piracy. I wouldn't write on the DXTory forums either (ie. Link1 + Link2)
I am trying to enhance my stream quality a little bit and was linked to this by a friend. I've followed the guides and realized just how good my game can look with dxtory. However, I am running into an issue. Dxtory always has my game between 10-20 fps whether I have xsplit open or not. I can stream on HD with the 10-20 fps that I never could do in xsplit with dxtory. I have 5 meg upload so my internet is definitely not the issue. If I can find a way to get dxtory itself to capture a playable fps in game I would gladly buy the program, but as of right now I can not play very well, I can only be a spectator using dxtory.
64-bit Windows Vista Dual Core 5200+ 2.71 GHz 4 GB RAM
Trouble Shootings I have done:
1. Played with all the fps settings in xsplit and dxtory. 2. Switched to 2 Processing Threads 3. Changed Resolutions (Even on lowest I get 20 fps from dxtory) 4. System Panel: Gave dxtory high priority 5. Updated Graphics Drivers
If there is anything else I could try, please let me know. I will note in the past that I used to use FRAPS. One version of FRAPS used to give me this same issue, but when a later version came out it actually captured at a normal fps.
vVvRuFF, which graphics drivers did you end up settling on ? This sounds a lot like the problem I had and I upgraded my drivers to the current Nvidia Beta driver. I also heard rolling ur driver back to "27x.xxx" will work as well
On January 16 2012 04:38 Finnzlol wrote: Do i have to buy DXtory to be able to delete the DXtory.com advertise on the streem window?
Yes, the watermark will only go away if you register the program. Sorry. If you are a license holder of XSplit you give GameSource a try - in the latest version it performs close to DXTory standards.
On January 16 2012 00:32 vVvRuFF wrote: Hello all, [...] Dxtory always has my game between 10-20 Dual Core 5200+ 2.71 GHz [...] If there is anything else I could try, please let me know. I will note in the past that I used to use FRAPS. One version of FRAPS used to give me this same issue, but when a later version came out it actually captured at a normal fps. [...] Thanks for the help! RuFF
On January 16 2012 00:32 vVvRuFF wrote: Hello all, [...] Dxtory always has my game between 10-20 Dual Core 5200+ 2.71 GHz [...] If there is anything else I could try, please let me know. I will note in the past that I used to use FRAPS. One version of FRAPS used to give me this same issue, but when a later version came out it actually captured at a normal fps. [...] Thanks for the help! RuFF
If that is not the one, please let me know what your ingame FPS is without any stream-software running (in an average action-packed 1v1 replay).
I got confused by this : Switched to 2 Processing Threads
A back whille he wrote Dual core.
If its a dual core than its what hellgreen said to you, your cpu isnt good enough for perfect and lagless streaming. \ But as u mentioned up that u switched to 2 processing threads than i am curious if u have something more than a CPU with 2 cores.
I have the same problem as VVVRuff. I get 60-90 FPS in the game but the recording to file is always 15-23ish. I have processing threads set to 4.
AMD Phenom II 965 3.4GHz (quad core) AMD 6950 2GB 64x Win 7 8GB of RAM
I might not get the very best quality in the world with this setup but it is ridiculous to have such a high frame rate but the recording to file is always very low.
(I have it set to record at 60FPS instead of the default 30 FPS and that didn't change anything).
On January 17 2012 08:34 Kohonski wrote: I have the same problem as VVVRuff. I get 60-90 FPS in the game but the recording to file is always 15-23ish. I have processing threads set to 4.
AMD Phenom II 965 3.4GHz (quad core) AMD 6950 2GB 64x Win 7 8GB of RAM
I might not get the very best quality in the world with this setup but it is ridiculous to have such a high frame rate but the recording to file is always very low.
(I have it set to record at 60FPS instead of the default 30 FPS and that didn't change anything).
First, I don't read Ruff's post like he is recording to file. So it's not the same I would say. Seconds, according to the dxtory forums your symptom is often discussed and it's almost always due to the harddrive not being able to keep up.
I did the benchmark and it was at 113mb/s but I wasn't actually running SC2. Do you think my only solution is getting an external HDD? I would rather not, but it just seems odd. This guide works wonderfully for streaming. I just haven't figured out recording to file.
On January 18 2012 04:02 Kohonski wrote: Thank you for the reply!
I did the benchmark and it was at 113mb/s but I wasn't actually running SC2. Do you think my only solution is getting an external HDD? I would rather not, but it just seems odd. This guide works wonderfully for streaming. I just haven't figured out recording to file.
The numbers seems reasonable for write-speeds. Try lowering the resolution and see if you're able to record that. External HDDs are often times connected to a slower interface and thus perform worse. You might need something in raid0 to obtain the needed speed. Or it might be that DXTory isn't the best performing software for your task.
On January 18 2012 23:56 Shadow_Dog wrote: Do you have to have Dxtory record files onto your computer in order to stream?
No not at all. but you can save the thing you are streaming in your PC as well. Both of them arent linked in anyway. You can record or stream all alone and as well u can do both if you want.
On January 18 2012 23:56 Shadow_Dog wrote: Do you have to have Dxtory record files onto your computer in order to stream?
No not at all. but you can save the thing you are streaming in your PC as well. Both of them arent linked in anyway. You can record or stream all alone and as well u can do both if you want.
No, like I don't want any recordings at all, just streaming Dxtory to xsplit. I disabled recording but it just gives me black screen now and whenever I press F11 (or whatever button it is to start) and it doesn't do anything. Should I be doing something else in order for it to show up in xsplit?
On January 19 2012 04:01 Shadow_Dog wrote: No, like I don't want any recordings at all, just streaming Dxtory to xsplit. I disabled recording but it just gives me black screen now and whenever I press F11 (or whatever button it is to start) and it doesn't do anything. Should I be doing something else in order for it to show up in xsplit?
There are posts in the thread where people can't seem to start DXTory. Make sure you check those out first.
Otherwise go back and double check your setup - you probably skipped a step To be more to the point: Is the icon of DXtory in the notification bar spinning? Do you see FPS numbers in orange in the top left corner? On the first tab, is your game detected by DXTory?
I used the same settings for testing as Nepsilon first and then i tried a bit more like 800kb rate and a buffer of 1100 my Connection is capable of that here.. somehow even with switching the resolutions in Dxtory and Xvid i never get a crisp image.. and even other People get that with even lower connection speed so what do i do wrong actually ?
First rule of streaming is that one man's settings seldom transfers to another setup If you post your settings, we can look through them and maybe spot something.
Well makes sense so in DxTory ive got everythin untouched except the Resolutiojn of course.. so my Monitor allows me a max of 1920x1080 so i wrote that down there. My Xsplit is on Quality 10 VBMax Bitrate is on 800 and VBV Buffer is on 1100. My Audio Settings are 11.025 16 bit Stereo + 16000 Codec Mp3. i use 29,97 as Framrate in Xvid and the Resolution there is 1280 x 720 / 16 .
My Connection is there i hope thats enough informations :O
On January 20 2012 03:09 delchuu wrote: Well makes sense so in DxTory ive got everythin untouched except the Resolutiojn of course.. so my Monitor allows me a max of 1920x1080 so i wrote that down there. My Xsplit is on Quality 10 VBMax Bitrate is on 800 and VBV Buffer is on 1100. My Audio Settings are 11.025 16 bit Stereo + 16000 Codec Mp3. i use 29,97 as Framrate in Xvid and the Resolution there is 1280 x 720 / 16 .
My Connection is there i hope thats enough informations :O
Can you post a VOD for me to evaluate too? You should lower the FPS to 20 or 25 to be able to get better quality for each frame on that bitrate. What do you mean by "i wrote that down there"? Finally what CPU do you have? If it's strong enough you can do something with the preset to improve quality/lessen the blurry-ness.
On January 20 2012 03:50 theyedi wrote: Hmm, having a problem where it only shows the dxtory menu in my xsplit, but not the game i'm trying to stream. Any idea on how to fix this?
You're seeing the dxtory menu in XSplit?? O.o Can you post a screen shot of what you mean? Which game are you trying to stream?
On January 20 2012 03:50 theyedi wrote: Hmm, having a problem where it only shows the dxtory menu in my xsplit, but not the game i'm trying to stream. Any idea on how to fix this?
You're seeing the dxtory menu in XSplit?? O.o Can you post a screen shot of what you mean? Which game are you trying to stream?
What i mean is, in my Xsplit preview screen I only see the dxtory menu where you configure settings. It doesn't show the game I'm trying to stream, just the dxtory menu. I've tried many games, including Sc2 and HoN. Same issue with both games. But, it is recording ingame to my hard drives properly, and the target is found and the game is selected, so I'm not sure what's going on
For HellGreen that must be one of the Vods from me http://www.twitch.tv/delchuu/b/305952774 but i must say i tested during the Video Recording diff resolutions and so on.. kinda strange
On January 20 2012 03:50 theyedi wrote: Hmm, having a problem where it only shows the dxtory menu in my xsplit, but not the game i'm trying to stream. Any idea on how to fix this?
You're seeing the dxtory menu in XSplit?? O.o Can you post a screen shot of what you mean? Which game are you trying to stream?
What i mean is, in my Xsplit preview screen I only see the dxtory menu where you configure settings. It doesn't show the game I'm trying to stream, just the dxtory menu. I've tried many games, including Sc2 and HoN. Same issue with both games. But, it is recording ingame to my hard drives properly, and the target is found and the game is selected, so I'm not sure what's going on
I see - you need to add DXTory as a camera, not a screen region Use "File - Add Camera - Select DXTory cam 1 to 4"
@delchuu Try setting the preset to medium - you have a great cpu. This will allow for the x264 codec to use more calculations and thus produce a better image per frame and potentially lessen the bitrate needed to show the stream. Try that, and re-post a new VOD.
On January 20 2012 03:50 theyedi wrote: Hmm, having a problem where it only shows the dxtory menu in my xsplit, but not the game i'm trying to stream. Any idea on how to fix this?
You're seeing the dxtory menu in XSplit?? O.o Can you post a screen shot of what you mean? Which game are you trying to stream?
What i mean is, in my Xsplit preview screen I only see the dxtory menu where you configure settings. It doesn't show the game I'm trying to stream, just the dxtory menu. I've tried many games, including Sc2 and HoN. Same issue with both games. But, it is recording ingame to my hard drives properly, and the target is found and the game is selected, so I'm not sure what's going on
Alright @Hell http://www.twitch.tv/delchuu/b/306007499 that is my last stand its like Quality 10 , Medium 800kb , buffer 1100 fps are 20 if im not wrong dxtory is 30 fps 1920x1080 and xvid 1280x720 i turned also just mono instead of stereo by sounds settings it helped pretty much.. anything else i could do ? D:
On January 20 2012 15:18 delchuu wrote: Alright @Hell http://www.twitch.tv/delchuu/b/306007499 that is my last stand its like Quality 10 , Medium 800kb , buffer 1100 fps are 20 if im not wrong dxtory is 30 fps 1920x1080 and xvid 1280x720 i turned also just mono instead of stereo by sounds settings it helped pretty much.. anything else i could do ? D:
Atm. I can't access any of your VODs - I just keep hitting the live page and there's no archive. I'll try again later though. You should keep the FPS alike in both DXTory+XSplit. Using mono shouldn't have an impact on quality - it's the same bitrate used. Are you sure that it wasn't a placebo effect?
On January 20 2012 19:16 Cirn9 wrote: I'm getting fps drops when using Dxtory, soon as the broadcast starts. Its most notable with SF4, but happens with others as well
Any hints?
Just to be sure here: FPS drops are common (to be expected) in streaming - are you saying that you can maintain your FPS when not using DXTory and streaming?
On January 20 2012 19:16 Cirn9 wrote: I'm getting fps drops when using Dxtory, soon as the broadcast starts. Its most notable with SF4, but happens with others as well
Any hints?
Just to be sure here: FPS drops are common (to be expected) in streaming - are you saying that you can maintain your FPS when not using DXTory and streaming?
I mean, my drops are not not bad 60 down to 55 or 50 in other games. But often sub 30 in sf4
On January 21 2012 01:38 delchuu wrote: Now you should be able to see my Vods i had the function deactivated try it again @Hell
Looks very good - in fact it's better than the VOD Nepsilon showcases in the OP. I don't think you will get much more improvement with your current bandwidth
On January 21 2012 04:14 zyglrox wrote: my xsplit gets errors everytime i start it now since the last major update. 4 posts on their forums later still does same thing t.t
Keep posting on the forums - and PM me the link, and I'll try to get the case going. Also, this thread is for DXTory stuff, not XSplit
Anyone up for sharing a license for high masters coaching or something else? D3 beta access? I don't have the money to spend on this simple a utility right now. I've tried the cracks but end up with the same issue as many, where the record button stops having an effect \: I was excited to finally be able to stream again as I was suffering from exactly the issues that the OP was. Everything is fine if not for that massive watermark -_-
Edit: Just saw one of the major admins for the dxtory forums telling someone posting a problem a bout audio desyncing to go die. It was a totally legit post. Check this garbage out. I will never be giving that person my money so that they can be the worst customer support ever.
On January 21 2012 12:47 Lumi wrote: Anyone up for sharing a license for high masters coaching or something else? D3 beta access? I don't have the money to spend on this simple a utility right now. I've tried the cracks but end up with the same issue as many, where the record button stops having an effect \: I was excited to finally be able to stream again as I was suffering from exactly the issues that the OP was. Everything is fine if not for that massive watermark -_-
Edit: Just saw one of the major admins for the dxtory forums telling someone posting a problem a bout audio desyncing to go die. It was a totally legit post. Check this garbage out. I will never be giving that person my money so that they can be the worst customer support ever.
WTF He seems helpful normally, its just sometimes hard to understand because of poor English skills. I've never seen a reply like that though.
On January 21 2012 12:47 Lumi wrote: Edit: Just saw one of the major admins for the dxtory forums telling someone posting a problem a bout audio desyncing to go die. It was a totally legit post. Check this garbage out. I will never be giving that person my money so that they can be the worst customer support ever.
If you have spent any time on the forums you will know that is just his way of dealing with piracy. You have to understand that he is able to determine whether the license has been bought or not from the information that you are required to post when asking for help. If you look around there are multiple examples of him telling pirates to go "hang themselves" etc. While his language is harsh, why should he help people that cheat him? There's no excuse for piracy, and asking for help while doing it is bad mannered. Example of a nicer reply: http://forum.dxtory.com/index.php?topic=1241.msg5332#msg5332
To Lumi : The program that you wanted to buy but you saw the owner being not professional at all it wont change you much. Because of 1 person being bad you are getting yourself limited to do whatever you want to do. If you want to stream i suggest you to get it because imo its the right way to do. Look at what u want , dont look at the others. On the other side not all of us are the same and therefor if this isnt changing your mind i suggest you to wait for Xsplit to be fully released with the gamesource (HellGreen has a good info on gamesource that its becoming to work perfectly and as soon the final is released you might be able to use Xsplit standalone instead of using Dxtory with it) Its your choice. Edit : But do remember that neither Xsplit are acting professional towards their costumers. They have never asnwered a lot of people for their needs and i dont think they will till they release the full version most probably.
And for the person that owns Dxtory acting like that i dont approve it either. There are tons of programs that are being used for free but 99% of all those companies still act professional towards costumers. Such hard words being thrown to someone is really not professional.
It's bad mannered to ask the developer for support on an illegal obtained piece of software. Expecting a professional treatment doing that is beyond normal practice. I don't know any companies (or 99%) that does that. There's no reason to pirate DXTory - it's easily accessible, there's a full featured trial and it's relatively cheap (50$). That said, I don't approve of his choice of words.
Support the software that makes you able to play/have fun/etc.
On January 21 2012 22:30 HellGreen wrote: It's bad mannered to ask the developer for support on an illegal obtained piece of software. Expecting a professional treatment doing that is beyond normal practice. I don't know any companies (or 99%) that does that. There's no reason to pirate DXTory - it's easily accessible, there's a full featured trial and it's relatively cheap (50$). That said, I don't approve of his choice of words.
Support the software that makes you able to play/have fun/etc.
Saying for them to act on a professional level is simply do tell them that they are using pirated version and not answer their question, nothing else
On January 13 2012 21:09 zeroISM wrote: My stream is now stuttering a bit even with the OP settings - which was fine back then. I think the XSplit update broke this method or I am doing something very stupid.
I get 90fps while streaming, but the output varies between 29-30-31fps - I think this is what makes the stream stutter. Before XSplit updated I had 30fps with no variation T.T
If you get 29-31 FPS on the output (how did you measure this?), I don't think you "stream stutter" is related to that. Check your bandwidth settings and for dropped frames
Bandwidth settings are A-Ok, and dropped frames are 0. I know it varies because when you use Dxtory output, it shows the value on fps on the screen, like Current/Output in yellow - before XSplit updated, it was always 30, now I noticed it sometimes bounce between 29 and 31
I will format my PC soon. I haven't done it since I build it, which was more than 2 years ago. Must be a lot of crap getting in the way that is causing the stutter somehow.
On January 22 2012 22:39 Cirn9 wrote: Does anyone have any ideas on how to, if possible at all, make dxtory work with WinTV7?
A TV tuner + dxtory? What are you trying to do? Record from the tuner? Doesn't the tuner software support that in itself? If dxtory doesn't detect that app then I don't see it happen. Use XSplit or fraps?
On January 22 2012 01:07 zeroISM wrote: I know it varies because when you use Dxtory output, it shows the value on fps on the screen, like Current/Output in yellow - before XSplit updated, it was always 30, now I noticed it sometimes bounce between 29 and 31
I will format my PC soon. I haven't done it since I build it, which was more than 2 years ago. Must be a lot of crap getting in the way that is causing the stutter somehow.
A slight variance in ingame FPS is completely normal. A variance between 29-31 FPS will not cause stream lag.
If you watch one of your VODs, is it stuttering in that too? If yes, you're having bandwidth problems (bitrate too high).
If you make a local recording and watch that video, does it lag in that?
For further help, please post your hardware specs and what resolution, fps and stream settings you use.
went through this guide in ~ 20 minutes, made a world of difference i now stream @ 1680x1050 with 200 fps ingame, so silly i dont even know im streaming, ty for this guide
Ok, how do you set it up so Dxtory doesn't record but it still shows up in xsplit? Honestly. I've spent like 5 hours trying to set this up and it still doesn't work.
On January 24 2012 12:00 Shadow_Dog wrote: Ok, how do you set it up so Dxtory doesn't record but it still shows up in xsplit? Honestly. I've spent like 5 hours trying to set this up and it still doesn't work.
holy sh*t. I'm definitly gonna try this at home as I battled with xsplit now since 1 year and couldn't find a proper solution. Lol I even got a new internet cause I thought the upload was too weak -_-
If you bought the software or are using the trial, go post on the dxtory.com forum. This issue happens mostly to people that illegally downloaded the software though.
On January 10 2012 02:06 Belial88 wrote: Specs: Athlon II x4 3.41 ghz, CPU-NB 2.5ghz. 4GB RAM (7-7-7, 1348mhz) GTX 460 768mb Ping:55ms Download: 2.79mbs Upload: 0.72mbs
I get all settings maxed out on 1280x768 resolution with 120+ fps.
So I did everything stated in the videos, watched them all. When I stream, it lags. I guess you could say I could still 'play', but it's really too laggy to play competitively. When I lowered my quality from Ultra to Low, the exact same type of lag still existed and didn't change at all. My fps drops, and lag is really the best way to put it - I select a drone, I don't actually end up selecting it until a second later. Things just dont respond as sharply.
I set all my settings as you recommended and did in the OP, and was wondering how to further tweak it for my low performance.
The fps during a game drops to about 10, CPU load is around maybe 50-70 and the ram at around 80%. Maybe it's pushing the limits but it doesnt seem to be capping out.
Can you tell me your performance numbers (FPS/CPU etc) without using DXTory?
Try creating a blank new Presentation - sometimes there's some "residual" scene items stock. You will be able to feel the difference if everything is setup right. If the input lag is still there afterwards, please check all the settings again, chances are you skipped something, ie. setting output to DirectShow only etc.
It seems that when I play on default, everything maxed, theres sort of a... i dont know, like i click a drone or muta to go somwhere, and it takes a split second longer than it shoudl for it to respond.
I set everything on medium, and played a custom game peep mode. It was okay, but that sort of delay existed. I put it on low, and it still existed but it was slightly better. It still existed though. The fps was around 40ish. Im wondering how to increase the fps and get rid of that slight delay.
How do I create a new presentation? I'll get the benchmarks for everything.
On January 26 2012 15:12 Belial88 wrote: It seems that when I play on default, everything maxed, theres sort of a... i dont know, like i click a drone or muta to go somwhere, and it takes a split second longer than it shoudl for it to respond.
I set everything on medium, and played a custom game peep mode. It was okay, but that sort of delay existed. I put it on low, and it still existed but it was slightly better. It still existed though. The fps was around 40ish. Im wondering how to increase the fps and get rid of that slight delay.
How do I create a new presentation? I'll get the benchmarks for everything.
The input lag you refer to is normal while streaming. Some are more prone than others to be annoyed by it, most get used to it. DXTory removes a lot of it, but it can't remove all of it. IMHO it's bound to occur with your relatively slow cpu. My opinion is partly backed by your statement that there's a difference on different graphics levels - there really shouldn't be. It's actually not directly related to fps even though it may seem so.
To create a new presentation, you go to the "File" menu and select "New Presentation...".
I hit new presentation, and now the settings I all set up, I can't find. Whenever I opened xsplit it would say "do you want to use old settings" and says stuff about presentations (ah, thats where I make new presentation), and when I hit new presentation, I cant find the old setup stuff.
And what do you mean "feel the difference". As in when I make a new presentation, it will feel better or worse if I set things up correctly that first time? I would figure you mean it should feel worse not set up correctly, but you go on to say that if there is lag (with the new presentation) then that means I set things up wrong?
I'm so confused. I'm just going to run through the settings again maybe.
I was just wondering if there was a way I could fix the situation though, like lower the resolution or some way to lower the stream quality or something to help with the input lag.
I have a issue streaming with xsplit and dxtory. I have a 5mbps upload speed and a i5 2500k. I have been playing around with xsplit settings trying to stream at 720p. I feel like I have a good enough processor and bandwidth to stream in 720p but no matter how much I adjust the bitrate, buffer and quality I still get choppiness in my stream. Occasionally the stream would be smooth for a few minutes in SC2 but once macro games begin to pick up with large armies battling, the stream starts to become choppy. And future games I play after the initial lag, my stream continues to be choppy even in the beginning of games. I can't access my specific settings now since I'm at the library at the moment by any help will be appreciated until I can post specific settings for xsplit and my pc.
On February 01 2012 00:43 Belial88 wrote: Can you be a little more in-depth?
I hit new presentation, and now the settings I all set up, I can't find. Whenever I opened xsplit it would say "do you want to use old settings" and says stuff about presentations (ah, thats where I make new presentation), and when I hit new presentation, I cant find the old setup stuff.
And what do you mean "feel the difference". As in when I make a new presentation, it will feel better or worse if I set things up correctly that first time? I would figure you mean it should feel worse not set up correctly, but you go on to say that if there is lag (with the new presentation) then that means I set things up wrong?
I'm so confused. I'm just going to run through the settings again maybe.
I was just wondering if there was a way I could fix the situation though, like lower the resolution or some way to lower the stream quality or something to help with the input lag.
New/Load/Save Presentation works just like a document in ie. Word. If you didn't save your presentation before making a new one, you can find it in this Registry key (HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\SplitMediaLabs\XSplitBroadcaster). You need to do some copy paste in the "placements" values.
"Feel the difference" - I talking about the input lag, you will feel the difference if DXTory+XSplit is running correctly. To the better of course (that's the main reason for using DXTory).
I want to stream Counter-strike:source and I got 700 fps without xsplit and with xsplit I got 80. Dxtory works between but now I got a xsplit problem. How can a program give me 600 less fps without even broadcasting?
On February 02 2012 04:10 Imprez wrote: I want to stream Counter-strike:source and I got 700 fps without xsplit and with xsplit I got 80. Dxtory works between but now I got a xsplit problem. How can a program give me 600 less fps without even broadcasting?
Because of the way screen capture currently works. There simply isn't enough power available (or reason) to grab frames that much faster than what your stream is going to contain. Even if you were able to do it, your stream would need a massive bitrate to contain the fps (~100+ Mbps). 60 FPS is realistically the currently maximum to stream in and that requires high end equipment and in depth settings knowledge.
mobo: intel x58s0 processor: Core i7 980x xtreme 6 core processor gpu: geforce 460 1gb OC ram: 6gb HDD: dual 10k raptor in raid 0 PSU: 1kw pc power and cooling ISP: 50Mbit down / 4Mbit up
Seems like I can stream fine in 1080p with my setup with the exception of some boxing? (don't know what else to call it) when scrolling around in-game for viewers. Basically when my screen is scrolling in sc2 or looking around relatively quickly in first person games the quality for viewers gets a bit boxy until the screen doesn't scroll too fast.
Question is, what settings in xplit/dxtory is would affect this the most? What do I need to upgrade on my end to improve this so its smooth? Is it a bandwidth issue/hardware/setting issue? I'd like to be able to stream in 1080p on pretty much max settings.
I suspect it may be a combination of my processor running at stock speed of 3.33Ghz (even with 6 cores..) and/or my VBV bitrate/buffer at 3500/3500 but can't be certain.
Any insight would be really appreciated
edit: also, anyone know why my xsplit hotkeys don't work? No matter what I set them to, hotkeys just wont seem to function. dxtory start video/stop video hotkey didn't work until I downgraded to v2.0.108 but ultimately fixed once I did that.. but no dice on xsplit. I'm using latest version of xsplit from their website. Quite frustrating not being able to switch scenes
On February 02 2012 09:15 mrgoochio wrote: processor: Core i7 980x xtreme 6 core processor ISP: 50Mbit down / 4Mbit up
Seems like I can stream fine in 1080p with my setup with the exception of some boxing? [...] Question is, what settings in xplit/dxtory is would affect this the most?
edit: also, anyone know why my xsplit hotkeys don't work?
In prioritized order: Bitrate, Preset and Quality is what affects quality of your stream. 1080p easily uses 4000+ kbps, so you are already limited on this. Second, use a slower 'preset' in your channel settings (slower than veryfast). This will improve the compression and potentially result in a better image. Since you CPU is pretty awesome I'd try the 'Medium' value - Monitor cpu usage and make sure it's not hitting max on any core. You could also try dropping the FPS (ie. from 30 to 25) to "convert" those extra frames into a higher average bitrate/frame.
As for hotkeys, try and "reset settings to default" in Options. If that doesn't help try a different key combination. If it still doesn't work please create a thread on the Xsplit forum and I'll escalate it to the developers.
On February 02 2012 09:15 mrgoochio wrote: processor: Core i7 980x xtreme 6 core processor ISP: 50Mbit down / 4Mbit up
Seems like I can stream fine in 1080p with my setup with the exception of some boxing? [...] Question is, what settings in xplit/dxtory is would affect this the most?
edit: also, anyone know why my xsplit hotkeys don't work?
In prioritized order: Bitrate, Preset and Quality is what affects quality of your stream. 1080p easily uses 4000+ kbps, so you are already limited on this. Second, use a slower 'preset' in your channel settings (slower than veryfast). This will improve the compression and potentially result in a better image. Since you CPU is pretty awesome I'd try the 'Medium' value - Monitor cpu usage and make sure it's not hitting max on any core.
As for hotkeys, try and "reset settings to default" in Options. If that doesn't help try a different key combination. If it still doesn't work please create a thread on the Xsplit forum and I'll escalate it to the developers.
Bitrate: Definitely limited in my upload speed, was contemplating upgrading to 100Mbit down / 10Mbit up, I'll have to live with 50Mbit down / 4Mbit up for now. Thanks for the advice here Preset: Will try out different preset settings as advised, however, my CPU load (from the limited monitoring I have done), pretty much never hits anywhere close to max capacity on any core. Quality: I have experimented with different numbers but couldn't see any noticeable difference in the viewer side results.
As for hot keys, I have tried different combinations of keys and it doesn't seem to do anything. I will try restoring default and mess around with it some more.
Thanks
EDIT: Hotkeys: Hotkeys seem to work if I do not select shift as an option. CTRL and ALT seem to work fine. For example: Shift(CHECKED) and hotkey NUMPAD 1. Once I apply settings, SHIFT + NUMPAD 1 does not do anything. However, if I use the setting just numpad 1, it works fine.
Hello, I just bought a new i7 2600 3.40GZ 8GB RAM Nvidia 560GTX, I am currently at my folks housesitting where they only have 1MB upload, at my own place I have 2.5MB upload but can only test that in two weeks and I'm trying to stream now.
I'm loving dxtory, don't have to play windowed and performance ingame stays the same as without streaming - while xsplit just destroyed my fps, but even with dxtory my stream quality looks very choppy and pixalted though whenever I move. I really hope you guys don't mind I'm asking for help to try and stream that other craft game from blizzard and this seemed like the best place :x
Do you guys think this is just cause of the low upload speed here? I have used all kinds of quality, upload and buffer settings and it stays the same, I'm in Belgium and have tried location Amsterdam, London and Frankfurt, no change. I have tried increasing the video processing speed in xsplit to very fast and no change, and my CPU just stays at around 20% usage so that's all good. Can I really squeeze out more cpu power to compensate for the lack of upload (I have not OC'd and have stock cooling, but so far I haven't heard or seen my computer strain at all no matter what I do) or what else can I do, and do you guys think 2.5MB upload will be enough for a clear stream for 720 or even 1080 when I get home? Thanks very much for any help.
On February 06 2012 00:18 elrandir wrote: i7 2600 3.40GZ [...] my stream quality looks very choppy and pixalted though whenever I move. [...]Do you guys think this is just cause of the low upload speed here? [...]I have tried increasing the video processing speed in xsplit to very fast and no change [...]Can I really squeeze out more cpu power to compensate for the lack of upload [...]do you guys think 2.5MB upload will be enough for a clear stream for 720 or even 1080 when I get home?
First, it would be a lot easier to troubleshoot/help if you posted your current settings
1) That is to be expected when streaming 720p on 1 mbps on default settings (see #3) 2) Yes - bitrate is the most important thing for a HQ stream (to a certain degree of course) 3) That's because 'very fast' is equal to the default preset 4) Yes - somewhat. Use a slower preset, try 'medium' 5) 2500 kbps is fine for 720p, no go on 1080p.
1) oh I see, 2) hmm hope it goes better at home then, 3) lol silly me 4) ok tried it but stays the same just about 5) ok ty
my current settings: I play in 1980x1080 max detail, have no fps drop ingame with dxtory and xsplit on
I'm currently trying to stream at 1280x720: xsplit: resolution 1280x720 (what is a 480 res? i can't find one?), fps 25
location: amsterdam preset: medium (what is more cpu intensive? slower made my stream very choppy quality: 8 max bitrate 750 vbv buffer 800 (have no idea what to put here, no matter what I do it stays the same just about) my upload speed is 1MB resolution 1280x720 audio format 32.000 16 AAC LC bitrate 48000
pls any suggestions to try and tweak it will be so appreciated ty very much in advance.
@elrandir I suggest to try a 480p as long as you only have 1 mbps upload. You can add new resolutions under the "resolution" menu - you would want to add 853x480 to keep the right aspect ratio. Preset: The slower means more stressful - if you get lag/choppyness you ask too much of your cpu. Quality: Lower to 5-6 because you're bandwidth limited - it's not related to image quality as such. Setting it too high will cause lag in your case. The rest is fine. If you get that to work fine, then you can up the resolution to 720p - compare the results, I think you will find the 480p to be more fluid and faster to become less pixelated when scrolling/moving around fast. GL
Thanks very much HellGreen, setting the quality lower did the trick to make it watchable, the 480p res was a bit too pixely for wow so I upped it to 720 again. I left the rest as is and it's decent now, I guess I'll wait to see how it looks on 2.5MB upload before spending money on Dxtory. Thanks again, all the best!
@MyshuPL You need to buy the DXTory software to get rid of the watermark (it's also stated in this thread if your look back ) As for your FPS. It's not related to your bandwidth. It's quite common to get FPS in that range, but it all depends on your hardware. You should *not* use the settings in the OP because your upload is much better than what he has optimized his settings for.
I suggest you post your current settings (resolution, fps and all channel settings) and your hardware specs. You can get a lot more information on what settings to use, if you search through this thread and the one in my signature though.
Hiya Hellgreen, I'm back! I bought dxtory and xsplit, the stream is looking quite fine, but the game itself is a just a tiny bit choppy and sometimes it spikes even though FPS stays at 60 in game fullscreen with vsync on, and streaming stays at 30. CPU load is only 20% and memory something like that too, so I must have some setting wrong to see this performance? If my system isn't stressed I should have smoother performance I assume?
I am playing in fullscreen mode on ultra settings with the following settings now: xsplit default quality 6 max bitrate 1800 buffer 2000 (my internet upload speed is upgraded now to 2.39MB) resolution: default stage if i forget or I set it to 1280x720 audio 44.100 khz 16 bit setero AAC LC bitrate 144000 fps 30 resolution 1280x720
in dxtory i set resolution to 1280x720, file output is checked off it's not recording. I checked taskmanager properties of everything and it's all multithread enabled with the checkboxes by default it seemed. I am not checking my own stream on the same computer.
On February 11 2012 02:42 elrandir wrote: Hiya Hellgreen, I'm back! I bought dxtory and xsplit, the stream is looking quite fine, but the game itself is a just a tiny bit choppy and sometimes it spikes even though FPS stays at 60 in game fullscreen with vsync on, and streaming stays at 30. CPU load is only 20% and memory something like that too, so I must have some setting wrong to see this performance? If my system isn't stressed I should have smoother performance I assume?
I am playing in fullscreen mode on ultra settings with the following settings now: xsplit default quality 6 max bitrate 1800 buffer 2000 (my internet upload speed is upgraded now to 2.39MB) resolution: default stage if i forget or I set it to 1280x720 audio 44.100 khz 16 bit setero AAC LC bitrate 144000 fps 30 resolution 1280x720
in dxtory i set resolution to 1280x720, file output is checked off it's not recording. I checked taskmanager properties of everything and it's all multithread enabled with the checkboxes by default it seemed. I am not checking my own stream on the same computer.
Thanks for any help you can offer again!
My first bet would be that you max out a core, which doesn't (always) reflect on the cpu usage meter that shows the average over all cores. I've made this app to troubleshoot just that: http://www.xsplit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=4759 I'ts just a suggestion, you don't have to use it to watch your cpu usage on each core.
Also, maybe you could elaborate on the "spikes", because to me a spike means a sudden change in e.g. FPS or lantency, but you say that FPS is stable at 60? Maybe you should monitor your latency too (use Resource Monitor, Network tab).
Lastly - the scene you use for the DXTory cam, does it have any other items in it (like a title, image etc) - if so, try removing those.
Ok I can't get the plugin thingies to work decently and fast enough, but core 0 and 2 seem to be taking a much heavier load when monitoring it. By spikes I mean I get like FPS drops but the FPS indicator says all is fine and doesn't even change, latency is fine too. I am using an image to cover my chat, i will try without it now.
I also noticed my sound effects sound crap, I use the standard codec, tried upping the quality to 256000 but no change? Music and Voices sound ok tho.
In that case use the 'set affinity' option to divide the load between xsplit.exe/vhmultiwriter/your game. From what you describe it sounds like several things are bad - it's not just one setting/issue.
On February 17 2012 21:55 Dhalphir wrote: @Hellgreen - can i just say that I love your accent and I could listen to you speak about anything for hours and hours
Haha, sorry but I don't know what you're talking about . I didn't make the OP (Nepsilon did), I just answer questions about streaming
On February 17 2012 21:55 Dhalphir wrote: @Hellgreen - can i just say that I love your accent and I could listen to you speak about anything for hours and hours
Haha, sorry but I don't know what you're talking about . I didn't make the OP (Nepsilon did), I just answer questions about streaming
On February 17 2012 21:55 Dhalphir wrote: @nepsilon - can i just say that I love your accent and I could listen to you speak about anything for hours and hours
On February 11 2012 02:42 elrandir wrote: Hiya Hellgreen, I'm back! I bought dxtory and xsplit, the stream is looking quite fine, but the game itself is a just a tiny bit choppy and sometimes it spikes even though FPS stays at 60 in game fullscreen with vsync on, and streaming stays at 30. CPU load is only 20% and memory something like that too, so I must have some setting wrong to see this performance? If my system isn't stressed I should have smoother performance I assume?
I am playing in fullscreen mode on ultra settings with the following settings now: xsplit default quality 6 max bitrate 1800 buffer 2000 (my internet upload speed is upgraded now to 2.39MB) resolution: default stage if i forget or I set it to 1280x720 audio 44.100 khz 16 bit setero AAC LC bitrate 144000 fps 30 resolution 1280x720
in dxtory i set resolution to 1280x720, file output is checked off it's not recording. I checked taskmanager properties of everything and it's all multithread enabled with the checkboxes by default it seemed. I am not checking my own stream on the same computer.
Thanks for any help you can offer again!
I have the same problem. Something has changed since the first time I've used this guide to stream.
You can see it's choppy by looking at the drones mining minerals, every now and then they "stutter".
I have formatted my PC thinking it was a problem with a conflict between the streaming programs I've installed to find the issue, but it seems it's something different.
I have a problem. My Xsplit doesn't find the dxtory output! When I click "add camera" there is nothing. It doesn't find dxtory outputs:/ I've tried the following:
-restarting xsplit -restarting dxtory -triple checking that all my settings are as mentioned in the tutorial videos.
You can see it's choppy by looking at the drones mining minerals, every now and then they "stutter". Any ideas? :s
What's your cpu usage and FPS? What was it before? Check that you haven't enabled recording in DXTory.
Hi there, thanks for replying!
My CPU usage while streaming is around 40% normal and 70% while bug battles occur.
My FPS doesn't go below 90 while streaming, even on 200 food battles over creep.
The problem is that I didn't change anything from THEN and NOW. The only thing I can think of is the updated versions of the programs: XSplit and DxTory both updated since I made that first video.
Personally, I think it's XSplit fault, because when I check the output on Xsplit, the graphics look fine and smooth; but when I open the stream on my other PC to check the quality, it's choppy like that.
Maybe XSplit's update broke it... Have you ever heard something about choppiness using this combo with the newer versions of both programs?
On February 22 2012 07:18 Sucer8D wrote: I have a problem. My Xsplit doesn't find the dxtory output! When I click "add camera" there is nothing. It doesn't find dxtory outputs:/ I've tried the following:
-restarting xsplit -restarting dxtory -triple checking that all my settings are as mentioned in the tutorial videos.
Any ideas?
Have you tried re-installing DXTory yet? Because that's when the cameras get's 'registered' so other apps can use them later. You might want to try a dxtory forum search for the issue too
On February 22 2012 14:39 zeroISM wrote: My CPU usage while streaming is around 40% normal and 70% while bug battles occur. My FPS doesn't go below 90 while streaming, even on 200 food battles over creep.
The problem is that I didn't change anything from THEN and NOW. The only thing I can think of is the updated versions of the programs: XSplit and DxTory both updated since I made that first video.
Personally, I think it's XSplit fault, because when I check the output on Xsplit, the graphics look fine and smooth; but when I open the stream on my other PC to check the quality, it's choppy like that.
Okay, so cpu and fps looks fine. To determine whether XSplit is at fault, try doing a local recording (use same stream settings for preset, bitrate, audio etc). I just have a feeling that the issue is related to your selected stream location. This would explain why it has changed without your doing. The server you stream could very likely be congested. This of course varies with time/popularity/etc, but you can test this by doing a 'bandwidth test' in your channel settings.
On February 22 2012 14:39 zeroISM wrote: My CPU usage while streaming is around 40% normal and 70% while bug battles occur. My FPS doesn't go below 90 while streaming, even on 200 food battles over creep.
The problem is that I didn't change anything from THEN and NOW. The only thing I can think of is the updated versions of the programs: XSplit and DxTory both updated since I made that first video.
Personally, I think it's XSplit fault, because when I check the output on Xsplit, the graphics look fine and smooth; but when I open the stream on my other PC to check the quality, it's choppy like that.
Okay, so cpu and fps looks fine. To determine whether XSplit is at fault, try doing a local recording (use same stream settings for preset, bitrate, audio etc). I just have a feeling that the issue is related to your selected stream location. This would explain why it has changed without your doing. The server you stream could very likely be congested. This of course varies with time/popularity/etc, but you can test this by doing a 'bandwidth test' in your channel settings.
Thanks again for replying. As dumb as this may sound, I had only to check "Let XSplit disable Aero Theme" for the smoothness to come back! So my problem is solved now! :D
So, for everyone that has normal FPS while playing, and normal CPU load, and is still getting stutter lag, or some kind of choppiness be sure to check "Let XSplit disable Aero Theme" in XSplit's settings.
I hope you can assist me as well. First a bit of info, my pc: i7-2600k Radeon 6950->6970 mod. 4GB Ram. 0.8MB Upload. Desktop Res: 1920x1200. Stream Res: 960*600.
I know eventually what really sets me back is the upload, but, I've read this thread, and I've seen the 0.6MB Results. I'm having trouble achieving those myself. I've tried to follow OP's guides, and read your little comments about making a new presentation... And havent gain any proper results, I feel like I still get pixelization pretty much at the same level Screen Capture gives me.
For a bit on my settings in Xsplit: Video: Res: 960x600. Quality 8, Preset: Medium, 25 FPS, VBV Max Bitrate 650, VBV 700. Sound: 44KHz 16 bit stereo, AAC codec, 64000 bitrate.
I think that by what I've seen in this thread that I'll be able to stream in 720p at least. Any suggestion what am I doing wrong?
@iSneak I sure will try to help. You're right that you are limited only by your upload speed. I'm happy to see most of your settings are well thought through, like the preset. But you can only do so much with the preset when it comes to quality. Ultimately you need more bitrate to achieve a 720p. It's commonly accepted that you need 1800-2000 kbps for a decent 720p, and it will even use 4000 if available.
So I really must advice you to lower your stream to 480p or 540p. Secondly drop the quality setting from 8 to 4, otherwise you risk stream lag spikes due to the bitrate randomly going higher than what you have available - the 'max' in 'vbv max bitrate' is not literally meant, and the quality setting is not a "stream quality" control per se (more like a secondary bitrate variable).
I don't quite understand this sentence: "And havent gain any proper results, I feel like I still get pixelization pretty much at the same level Screen Capture gives me.". What do you mean by 'Screen Capture' and what are you comparing it to?
But yeah, I think you just need to re-adjust your expectations. If you look at the video's in the OP, they look great, but if you look closely during fast paced scrolling etc, they do blur due to the low bitrate.
I find the situation a bit funny, I might have understood stuff wrong, but aint the idea of DXtory, or this thread in general to be able to stream in 720p using a low bitrate? is the use of DXtory is even necessary? The idea of lowering the resolution even more hurts my heart.
How does the thread opener able to stream with 720p, with a 500k upload bitrate? That's what I ment when I've said I expected similar results, I understand pixelization will happen, but I expect getting less pixelization when I use DXtory, same as even other people in this thread. streaming 720p, low bandwidth, and almost no pixelization.
Did I make my intentions more clear now?
I'll upload some stream comparison later, thanks in advance!
On February 26 2012 02:07 iSneak wrote: @Hellgreen
I find the situation a bit funny, I might have understood stuff wrong, but aint the idea of DXtory, or this thread in general to be able to stream in 720p using a low bitrate? is the use of DXtory is even necessary? The idea of lowering the resolution even more hurts my heart.
How does the thread opener able to stream with 720p, with a 500k upload bitrate? That's what I ment when I've said I expected similar results, I understand pixelization will happen, but I expect getting less pixelization when I use DXtory, same as even other people in this thread. streaming 720p, low bandwidth, and almost no pixelization.
Did I make my intentions more clear now?
I'll upload some stream comparison later, thanks in advance!
Hi there,
the whole idea of using DxTory is to greatly reduce input and hardware lag, because when you use only XSplit to capture your screen, it will reduce your framerates and make the game choppy. While using DxTory to capture instead, and XSplit only to stream it for the servers, you get smoothness both on your game while you are playing and on your stream.
Now that we have a Test Bandwidth option on XSplit, you can try to mess around with the bitrate and vbv buffer of your stream. First, try setting your vbv buffer to 1/2 of your bitrate and check if you get dropped frames on the test. If green light appears, keep making vbv buffer higher while testing until it reaches the same of your bitrate.
On February 26 2012 02:07 iSneak wrote: @Hellgreen
I find the situation a bit funny, I might have understood stuff wrong, but aint the idea of DXtory, or this thread in general to be able to stream in 720p using a low bitrate? is the use of DXtory is even necessary? The idea of lowering the resolution even more hurts my heart.
How does the thread opener able to stream with 720p, with a 500k upload bitrate? That's what I ment when I've said I expected similar results, I understand pixelization will happen, but I expect getting less pixelization when I use DXtory, same as even other people in this thread. streaming 720p, low bandwidth, and almost no pixelization.
Did I make my intentions more clear now?
I'll upload some stream comparison later, thanks in advance!
Hi there,
the whole idea of using DxTory is to greatly reduce input and hardware lag, because when you use only XSplit to capture your screen, it will reduce your framerates and make the game choppy. While using DxTory to capture instead, and XSplit only to stream it for the servers, you get smoothness both on your game while you are playing and on your stream.
Now that we have a Test Bandwidth option on XSplit, you can try to mess around with the bitrate and vbv buffer of your stream. First, try setting your vbv buffer to 1/2 of your bitrate and check if you get dropped frames on the test. If green light appears, keep making vbv buffer higher while testing until it reaches the same of your bitrate.
Hope this helps.
I am actually really confused right now. DXtory actually has a negative impact on my in-game performance, while I have exact same video output quality.
And why would I want to set my bitrate to 1/2 and then only rise from there? Logically that doesnt make sense. When do I stop? when I get to my max bitrate? then I should put it on that bitrate from the beginning anyway. I might go the opposite way. start from max bitrate and go down from there till I get yellow light.
On February 26 2012 02:07 iSneak wrote: @Hellgreen
I find the situation a bit funny, I might have understood stuff wrong, but aint the idea of DXtory, or this thread in general to be able to stream in 720p using a low bitrate? is the use of DXtory is even necessary? The idea of lowering the resolution even more hurts my heart.
How does the thread opener able to stream with 720p, with a 500k upload bitrate? That's what I ment when I've said I expected similar results, I understand pixelization will happen, but I expect getting less pixelization when I use DXtory, same as even other people in this thread. streaming 720p, low bandwidth, and almost no pixelization.
Did I make my intentions more clear now?
I'll upload some stream comparison later, thanks in advance!
Hi there,
the whole idea of using DxTory is to greatly reduce input and hardware lag, because when you use only XSplit to capture your screen, it will reduce your framerates and make the game choppy. While using DxTory to capture instead, and XSplit only to stream it for the servers, you get smoothness both on your game while you are playing and on your stream.
Now that we have a Test Bandwidth option on XSplit, you can try to mess around with the bitrate and vbv buffer of your stream. First, try setting your vbv buffer to 1/2 of your bitrate and check if you get dropped frames on the test. If green light appears, keep making vbv buffer higher while testing until it reaches the same of your bitrate.
Hope this helps.
I am actually really confused right now. DXtory actually has a negative impact on my in-game performance, while I have exact same video output quality.
And why would I want to set my bitrate to 1/2 and then only rise from there? Logically that doesnt make sense. When do I stop? when I get to my max bitrate? then I should put it on that bitrate from the beginning anyway. I might go the opposite way. start from max bitrate and go down from there till I get yellow light.
Hi there, happy birthday! It is strange that DxTory negatively affects your ingame performance. There must be any setting that you've mislooked or forgot to set. This was the case with my video output stuttering and it was an option on XSplit that I forgot to check.
I was telling for you to set the Vbv buffer to half of your bitrate, not the other way around. If you have let's say a 1mb/s upload, you could try 0.8x the value or your bitrate, which would be 800kbps and try setting the vbv buffer to half of it, in this case 400kbps.
The problem with pixelation is purely because your upload is slow to get a clear 720p going you should go with 2000kbps minimum.
Hello! My stream has worked perfectly on a very good quality, the only problem is that I do not know how to get sound! They can hear when I talk through the mic, but not the in-game and/or my music. How do I fix this? I've tried to find it on DXtory, without success! Would appreciate help! :D
Still a fantastic guide to get a stream working tho
On February 27 2012 22:06 Duggibobo wrote: Hello! My stream has worked perfectly on a very good quality, the only problem is that I do not know how to get sound! They can hear when I talk through the mic, but not the in-game and/or my music. How do I fix this? I've tried to find it on DXtory, without success! Would appreciate help! :D
Still a fantastic guide to get a stream working tho
//Oliver,
DXTory doesn't affect/control audio - it only grabs the video. Your issue is described well on the XSplit forums - in short you need to make sure that all your audio (mic excluded) goes through the default sound device (see Control Panel - Sound). If your game use a different device than the default it won't get picked up by XSplit.
On February 26 2012 02:07 iSneak wrote: @Hellgreen
I find the situation a bit funny, I might have understood stuff wrong, but aint the idea of DXtory, or this thread in general to be able to stream in 720p using a low bitrate? is the use of DXtory is even necessary? The idea of lowering the resolution even more hurts my heart.
How does the thread opener able to stream with 720p, with a 500k upload bitrate? That's what I ment when I've said I expected similar results, I understand pixelization will happen, but I expect getting less pixelization when I use DXtory, same as even other people in this thread. streaming 720p, low bandwidth, and almost no pixelization.
Did I make my intentions more clear now?
I'll upload some stream comparison later, thanks in advance!
As zeroISM already mentioned DXTory is just a frame grabber. The way it does it is particularly well working (compared to other methods) and reduces input lag etc, but it does not improve stream quality or do anything that requires less bitrate (on default settings). I actually kind of challenge Nepsilon (the author of the thread) on this in the beginning of the thread. So I guess the OP is kind of misleading on that topic. To be fair, DXTory can be set up to record locally and during that use a filter to compress the input.
The OP can stream 720p @500 kbps, and so can you, but it will never look as good as someone with 2000 kbps. As I said before, the videos in the OP bare clear marks of lack of bitrate if you look closely.
As for the buffer advice zeroISM gives, I don't agree at all. Buffer is mainly a factor that matters on the viewer side. Due to the way Flash player works it is advised to use a buffer of 1-2 times the bitrate. Anything else doesn't really make sense and is either discarded or just a waste.
The "problem" with streaming is that there is no one setting that works for all, and due to the amount of parameters to set, once in a while a person calls out a miracle solution that fixes everything (ie. "use 1/4 buffer size!!"). But if you really do the investigation it is 99/100 times merely a placebo effect.
On February 27 2012 22:06 Duggibobo wrote: Hello! My stream has worked perfectly on a very good quality, the only problem is that I do not know how to get sound! They can hear when I talk through the mic, but not the in-game and/or my music. How do I fix this? I've tried to find it on DXtory, without success! Would appreciate help! :D
Still a fantastic guide to get a stream working tho
//Oliver,
If you are using windows 7 or vista, right click on your speaker on the bottom right taskbar, and go to recording devices. Right click in the window in an open area, and make sure both show disabled/disconnected devices are checked, if not check both of them and look for stereo mix, enable it and you should be all set.
On February 28 2012 05:30 Josh_rakoons wrote: How to get rid of the HUGE Dxtory.com logo? o.o
You should probably pay for the program if you want it to go away, but you could try screen capping the portion of your screen to cover the Dxtory.com watermark with a smaller screen region. Thus recording the top ~256 pixels of your screen and leaving the rest to Dxtory.
I've thought about trying to stream, just for shits and giggles, and I think my computer can handle it. HOWEVER, my internet is more shit than what comes out of a goat's rear end. i5 2500 GTX 560 Ti 8GB RAM Windows 7 64bit
and without further ado, the internet so bad, that 96% of Norway has better:
Now, is there any chance in hell I can get this piece of crap to stream?
On February 28 2012 09:33 Aocowns wrote: I've thought about trying to stream, just for shits and giggles, and I think my computer can handle it. HOWEVER, my internet is more shit than what comes out of a goat's rear end. i5 2500 GTX 560 Ti 8GB RAM Windows 7 64bit
and without further ado, the internet so bad, that 96% of Norway has better:
Now, is there any chance in hell I can get this piece of crap to stream?
Yes, it's POSSIBLE. But awful quality. IMO not even worth it.
On February 28 2012 09:33 Aocowns wrote: I've thought about trying to stream, just for shits and giggles, and I think my computer can handle it. HOWEVER, my internet is more shit than what comes out of a goat's rear end. i5 2500 GTX 560 Ti 8GB RAM Windows 7 64bit
and without further ado, the internet so bad, that 96% of Norway has better:
Now, is there any chance in hell I can get this piece of crap to stream?
Yes, it's POSSIBLE. But awful quality. IMO not even worth it.
On February 28 2012 09:33 Aocowns wrote: I've thought about trying to stream, just for shits and giggles, and I think my computer can handle it. HOWEVER, my internet is more shit than what comes out of a goat's rear end. i5 2500 GTX 560 Ti 8GB RAM Windows 7 64bit
and without further ado, the internet so bad, that 96% of Norway has better:
Now, is there any chance in hell I can get this piece of crap to stream?
Yes, it's POSSIBLE. But awful quality. IMO not even worth it.
How awful are we talking about here?
Pretty much unwatchable by any viewer. If you just wanna stream for friends, this will be pretty bad but i'm sure they can survive, for the other people, they will not stay long.
On February 28 2012 09:56 Aocowns wrote: So we're talking like 240p here?
I think we're talking about choosing between playing with no lag or playing and streaming while disconnecting a bunch. Many online games require at least 128kbps upload to even play the game, so you would have something like 50kbps for your stream, unfortunately.
So when I use Xsplit, the streaming is okay. But when I use DXtory, it goes to absolute shit. I've run through the videos multiple times, and I've set it up all correctly. (athlon x4 3.4, 4gb ram, gtx460).
I don't know what's up with that.
Also, even without using DXtory, it's kind of okay, but like in major engagements, it really kind of craps out. Apparently, from what I've been told, is that everyone gets this, even pros like destiny or whomever, and it's just the cost of streaming. Is that true? That streaming always kind of costs performance?
I used to use the following but after reading this thread it just doesnt seem optimal: Bitrate: 3200 Buffer: 1200 Quality: 7 Preset: superfast (The Bitrate vs Buffer doesnt seem to be optimal according to this thread?)
On March 03 2012 20:29 Stoppable wrote: CPU: Quad Q9400 @ 2,66ghz Connection: 24 / 10 Stream: 960*540
I used to use the following but after reading this thread it just doesnt seem optimal: Bitrate: 3200 Buffer: 1200 Quality: 7 Preset: superfast (The Bitrate vs Buffer doesnt seem to be optimal according to this thread?)
Could use some help :D
This thread kinda addresses how to stream with low bandwidth, which you don't have to worry about.
But even though your bitrate is much higher (3200 kbps) than needed for a 540p stream, it really doesn't matter, because it's not a fixed setting. It means your stream will use up to that amount (and if needed even higher), but you will rarely - if ever - hit the limit with your resolution (assuming your at 30 or less FPS). You could lower it to 1500 kbps, but it won't really matter for you. But do consider increasing the buffer to 1-2 times the bitrate (recommended ratio).
so.. i have a problem. i dont maxes out the screen for the viewers ist like a smaller box http://de.twitch.tv/cronostarcraft/b/310605315 what can i do to max this out like what u have when u stream the screen region?
On March 03 2012 20:29 Stoppable wrote: CPU: Quad Q9400 @ 2,66ghz Connection: 24 / 10 Stream: 960*540
I used to use the following but after reading this thread it just doesnt seem optimal: Bitrate: 3200 Buffer: 1200 Quality: 7 Preset: superfast (The Bitrate vs Buffer doesnt seem to be optimal according to this thread?)
Could use some help :D
This thread kinda addresses how to stream with low bandwidth, which you don't have to worry about.
But even though your bitrate is much higher (3200 kbps) than needed for a 540p stream, it really doesn't matter, because it's not a fixed setting. It means your stream will use up to that amount (and if needed even higher), but you will rarely - if ever - hit the limit with your resolution (assuming your at 30 or less FPS). You could lower it to 1500 kbps, but it won't really matter for you. But do consider increasing the buffer to 1-2 times the bitrate (recommended ratio).
Tweaked my Stream the other night after posting my first question here. New settings are: Bitrate: 1500 (Wouldn't go green on any higher then 1500) Buffer: 1500 (Wouldn't go green on any higher then 1500) Preset: Superfast Quality: 10 Audio: 44.1 Stereo Streaming at 960*540 but dxtory changes it to 1280*720 so it looks better. What im wondering is, how exactly does this 1:2 ratio work with Bitrate vs buffer? Cause i got 1500/1500 right now and seems to work fine, i get around 40-60 FPS atm.
On March 05 2012 03:32 Stoppable wrote: New settings are: Bitrate: 1500 (Wouldn't go green on any higher then 1500)
Just change the location setting in channel settings to a named server to get better upload speeds. But again, it wont affect your stream quality. So you're already good.
On March 05 2012 03:32 Stoppable wrote: Streaming at 960*540 but dxtory changes it to 1280*720 so it looks better.
No, it will not look better. You effectively resize the frames from desktop resolution to dxtory's 720p to 540p. That will hurt quality-wise. Set dxtory to the same as your output resolution to prevent the triple conversion.
On March 05 2012 03:32 Stoppable wrote: What im wondering is, how exactly does this 1:2 ratio work with Bitrate vs buffer? Cause i got 1500/1500 right now and seems to work fine, i get around 40-60 FPS atm.
First, ingame FPS is not related to bitrate and buffer. Second, you want the buffer to be 1-2 times the bitrate to get an optimum stream with minimum risk of lag for the viewers. Buffer is mainly a setting affecting the viewers, not the streamer. The reason it's a 1 to 1-2 ratio is because of the way the Flash player handles incoming streams (it is currently restricted in that way, throwing a larger buffer at it is a waste because it will discard the information - use a value too small and those with a slow(ish) internet connection risk lag).
On March 05 2012 03:07 DarkQ wrote: so.. i have a problem. i dont maxes out the screen for the viewers ist like a smaller box http://de.twitch.tv/cronostarcraft/b/310605315 what can i do to max this out like what u have when u stream the screen region?
Make sure to keep your aspect ratio all the way from your desktop to the stream.
If you have your desktop at a 16 : 10 resolution, you should stream in a 16 : 10 resolution. Same goes for 16 : 9. So make sure your settings are aligned. And remember that twitch.tv's player (like the one you linked to above) is forced at 16 : 9, so it will always have visibly borders - until you go to fullscreen (assuming your viewer's monitor fits the resolution you stream in). If you stream in 16 : 10 and the viewer has a 16 : 9 monitor he will always have black borders when watching your stream.
On March 05 2012 03:07 DarkQ wrote: so.. i have a problem. i dont maxes out the screen for the viewers ist like a smaller box http://de.twitch.tv/cronostarcraft/b/310605315 what can i do to max this out like what u have when u stream the screen region?
Make sure to keep your aspect ratio all the way from your desktop to the stream.
If you have your desktop at a 16 : 10 resolution, you should stream in a 16 : 10 resolution. Same goes for 16 : 9. So make sure your settings are aligned. And remember that twitch.tv's player (like the one you linked to above) is forced at 16 : 9, so it will always have visibly borders - until you go to fullscreen (assuming your viewer's monitor fits the resolution you stream in). If you stream in 16 : 10 and a viewers has a 16 : 9 monitor he will always have black borders when watching your stream.
so i need to stream in 1680x1050 or other 16:10 because my monitor is a older one ?-.-
I even purchased Dxtory, but I still cannot stream and have playable frame rates with my computer (dualcore CPU @ 3.6 GHz, 4 GB RAM, GTX 285.)
To reduce system load and video bandwidth to Xsplit, I decrease my screen resolution to 1600x900. With Xsplit frame grabbing I have about 40-50 fps shown with SC2 ingame fps counter, but I experience heavy stutter and I get complaints that I cause lagging. With Dxtory, I don't get complaints about lag, but my ingame fps is down to about 20. I made sure that this is not connected to my stream fps (which is 20, too). I changed the stream fps but I still get roughly only 20 fps in game. I cannot really play with 20 frames per second.
My stream resolution is 800x450, but I had no real improvement with 640x360, either. Can I actually stream at least in some settings with my computer?
I just got Dxtory, but when I turn it on I lag in game and am only getting 20 FPS (in sc2), when I turn it off I go back up to between 70-90. Xsplit is set at 30 and so is Dxtory, and I don't have the FPS thing checked in Dxtory (where it was preset to 60) dunno ho to fix this
Once I get home I get right to get my stream up, because ive had problems with 0,7gb upload speed, but this seems to be solution for me. I let you know once I'm home that if it worked or not.
On March 05 2012 03:32 Stoppable wrote: New settings are: Bitrate: 1500 (Wouldn't go green on any higher then 1500)
Just change the location setting in channel settings to a named server to get better upload speeds. But again, it wont affect your stream quality. So you're already good.
On March 05 2012 03:32 Stoppable wrote: Streaming at 960*540 but dxtory changes it to 1280*720 so it looks better.
No, it will not look better. You effectively resize the frames from desktop resolution to dxtory's 720p to 540p. That will hurt quality-wise. Set dxtory to the same as your output resolution to prevent the triple conversion.
On March 05 2012 03:32 Stoppable wrote: What im wondering is, how exactly does this 1:2 ratio work with Bitrate vs buffer? Cause i got 1500/1500 right now and seems to work fine, i get around 40-60 FPS atm.
First, ingame FPS is not related to bitrate and buffer. Second, you want the buffer to be 1-2 times the bitrate to get an optimum stream with minimum risk of lag for the viewers. Buffer is mainly a setting affecting the viewers, not the streamer. The reason it's a 1 to 1-2 ratio is because of the way the Flash player handles incoming streams (it is currently restricted in that way, throwing a larger buffer at it is a waste because it will discard the information - use a value too small and those with a slow(ish) internet connection risk lag).
My stream looks perfect though and im averaging 50fps. No one is complaining on lag either and thats with the 1500/1500 setting. Should i do 1500/3000 to improve even more then?
Justin Ignacio (TheGunRun) who is now an employee of twitch.tv once tweeted a sweet configuration for xsplit that will universally stream on any quad core system with 6 gigs of ram. Given your upload speed can handle it of course.
XSplit Game Capture, Preset: faster&ex:cfg:18, Quality: No, VBV Max Bitrate 2700, VBV Buffer 1400
pps- if you want to turn up the quality you actually turn the number down (but don't go lower than 10 unless you are using a dedicated encoding system).
On March 06 2012 19:38 --derp-- wrote: Justin Ignacio (TheGunRun) who is now an employee of twitch.tv once tweeted a sweet configuration for xsplit that will universally stream on any quad core system with 6 gigs of ram. Given your upload speed can handle it of course.
XSplit Game Capture, Preset: faster&ex:cfg:18, Quality: No, VBV Max Bitrate 2700, VBV Buffer 1400
pps- if you want to turn up the quality you actually turn the number down (but don't go lower than 10 unless you are using a dedicated encoding system).
ppps- I use faster&ex:cfg:16
What is your up;load speed?
I have 2,5 upload for example, i dont know what those numbers stand for. But how can i optimize it for me. I tried it and had no lag ingame very nice . Only the stream stuttered a bit.
On March 06 2012 17:50 Stoppable wrote: My stream looks perfect though and im averaging 50fps. No one is complaining on lag either and thats with the 1500/1500 setting. Should i do 1500/3000 to improve even more then?
Well, if it ain't broken, don't fix it Yeah, you can raise the buffer to 3k, but I seriously doubt you will be able to tell the difference, but given the right conditions the codec will make use of it.
On March 06 2012 20:58 mete0rain wrote: Will my specs / internet pass? CPU: i5-750s 2,6ghz / 3,2ghz(turbo) Internet 15 down / 750kb up My internet provider promised 24 down / 1up but of course they never are the real speeds
Sure you can stream - 480p would be possible to achieve.
On March 06 2012 19:38 --derp-- wrote: Justin Ignacio (TheGunRun) who is now an employee of twitch.tv once tweeted a sweet configuration for xsplit that will universally stream on any quad core system with 6 gigs of ram. Given your upload speed can handle it of course.
XSplit Game Capture, Preset: faster&ex:cfg:18, Quality: No, VBV Max Bitrate 2700, VBV Buffer 1400
pps- if you want to turn up the quality you actually turn the number down (but don't go lower than 10 unless you are using a dedicated encoding system).
ppps- I use faster&ex:cfg:16
Well, there's no magic setting that fixes all stream issues - no matter who posts it! . Destiny posted different settings recently crediting TGR, which just proves my point. You really need to take a lot of things into account too, like the resolution and fps.
If one is to begin experimenting with the advanced stream setting string, they should know what they are getting themselves into. Here's the source for that: http://mewiki.project357.com/wiki/X264_Settings
On March 08 2012 03:06 [F_]aths wrote: When I use DXTory for image input, the Xsplit overlays (media files) seem to no longer works. How can I put a logo in my stream when I use DXTory?
I'm taking a guess here. You need to re-arrange the items in your source list, so that your overlays are above the DXTory camera. That will make your images be on top on the DXTory "image".
This was basically from the gun run post earlier and is the closest I can get it to playable. I am running on a broadband line that can support up to 3mbs upload and my computer is easily capable of running 1920-1080 without any issues. However I am getting increasingly frustrated trying to get this thing to work.
I am not sure how to change to Preset: faster&ex:cfg:18 so I just went to faster on the settings.
Posting here because you guys seem the most knowledgeable about this stuff, any thoughts?
On March 08 2012 03:06 [F_]aths wrote: When I use DXTory for image input, the Xsplit overlays (media files) seem to no longer works. How can I put a logo in my stream when I use DXTory?
I'm taking a guess here. You need to re-arrange the items in your source list, so that your overlays are above the DXTory camera. That will make your images be on top on the DXTory "image".
I tried to change the order but the DXTory input still overwrites my logo. If I use screen grabbing by Xsplit, I can see my logo if I arranged the inputs right. With DXTory everything in the area is overwritten.
On March 09 2012 23:53 [F_]aths wrote: With DXTory everything in the area is overwritten.
Can you show us a video of you arranging the items with screen regions and then with DXTory? It could be a bug I guess, so maybe try looking on the DXTory forum as well.
On March 09 2012 14:10 Esoterikk wrote: So I cannot get my stream to look decent. My current settings are
Can you link to a VOD so I can take a look at the quality and evaluate it? You should always set quality when not using the custom preset string - in your case use 7-9, and I would suggest increasing the buffer to the same as the bitrate.
On March 09 2012 14:10 Esoterikk wrote: So I cannot get my stream to look decent. My current settings are
Can you link to a VOD so I can take a look at the quality and evaluate it? You should always set quality when not using the custom preset string - in your case use 7-9, and I would suggest increasing the buffer to the same as the bitrate.
Ah k, will increase quality to 9 and up the buffer tonight and give it a try. The big thing is even in that vod the text and names and smaller things are really bad quality.
Things that don't move seem fine; but I would prefer better, but the main thing is when something is moving the quality of the moving object just falls apart.
For some reason when I press the hotkey to start recording I get nothing, nothing changes I've even changed the hotkey to many different things and still nothing, Any ideas on how to fix? :x
On March 11 2012 03:02 Valius wrote: For some reason when I press the hotkey to start recording I get nothing, nothing changes I've even changed the hotkey to many different things and still nothing, Any ideas on how to fix? :x
Hi there,
this happens when DXTory detect more than 1 program using some kind of DirectDraw/Direct3D to create the content. This includes programs based on Java (like Sc2Gears for example), and EVEN XSplit; also maybe some other desktop gadgets.
Do this: I would recommend you to turn on DXTory, then turn on StarCraft II, press the button to begin capturing video and check if the fps number color goes from green to orange. Only then you turn on XSplit.
If this doesn't solve it, try doing this: while on Sc2, press CTRL+Esc, this will bring up the Start Menu from your PC, then RIGHT-CLICK on anything inside the Sc2 window, which will make it go back to Sc2. Repeat this step and only then press the capture key.
In other words: [sc2 selected] CTRL+ESC RIGHT-CLICK on screen inside [Sc2] CTRL+ESC Right-CLICK on screen inside [Sc2] Press capture Key (F12 by default)
This is a workaround I've used since Sc2Gears or XSplit make DXTory try to capture the wrong thing. Hope this helps you. Good luck!
On March 12 2012 01:31 akskiller wrote: I tried the settings from OP and my stream is very pixelated, thanks for your help.
There's not much you can do with <1 mbps upload. Any 720p will be pixelated, especially during movement. Depending on the exact model of your cpu, you can tweak the preset setting for better quality, but other than that you don't really have any options to optimize from here. What you need is more upload.
My problem is that I got all configured and i saw the FPS on the corner as I am in the game but when I press the Start/Stop KEY nothing happens UNLESS i got the File Output on.
So i got a low FPS as I am recording to local. How can I record the game source without having to record it on a file.
There's not much you can do with <1 mbps upload. Any 720p will be pixelated, especially during movement. Depending on the exact model of your cpu, you can tweak the preset setting for better quality, but other than that you don't really have any options to optimize from here. What you need is more upload.
Thanks, what's a recommended resolution other than 720p with my native 1920x1200 resolution.
There's not much you can do with <1 mbps upload. Any 720p will be pixelated, especially during movement. Depending on the exact model of your cpu, you can tweak the preset setting for better quality, but other than that you don't really have any options to optimize from here. What you need is more upload.
Thanks, what's a recommended resolution other than 720p with my native 1920x1200 resolution.
Usually half your original size provides the best result, so try aiming for a 600p stream. But really the choice is yours, just try out 480p, 560p and 600p and see what you like the best.
On March 13 2012 04:04 Magoloko85 wrote: My problem is that I got all configured and i saw the FPS on the corner as I am in the game but when I press the Start/Stop KEY nothing happens UNLESS i got the File Output on.
So i got a low FPS as I am recording to local. How can I record the game source without having to record it on a file. !
This has been answered quite a lot of times. Try opening the entire thread by clicking the "All" pages link and search for your issue . Ahh, I feel bad leaving you there, so: Downgrade or upgrade your DXTory client to fix the issue.
On March 13 2012 04:04 Magoloko85 wrote: My problem is that I got all configured and i saw the FPS on the corner as I am in the game but when I press the Start/Stop KEY nothing happens UNLESS i got the File Output on.
So i got a low FPS as I am recording to local. How can I record the game source without having to record it on a file. !
This has been answered quite a lot of times. Try opening the entire thread by clicking the "All" pages link and search for your issue . Ahh, I feel bad leaving you there, so: Downgrade or upgrade your DXTory client to fix the issue.
Thx. I was looking but as it was AM in the morning probably pass it :D
Hey, I've been streaming for a while now but I'm getting lag in game and it's getting to the point where I can't play sometimes. I've tried using Dxtory but it doesn't seem to make much difference to me. I think I need to get a new computer and new internet but neither are terrible at the moment (and I won't be able to improve my internet until later in the year), just not quite top notch these days. I was wondering if anyone more experienced than me could shed some light on where my bottlenecks lie and what the best way to proceed would be (in terms of needing a new computer/different settings)
For bandwidth I have 8 down, 1 up and for my pc I've got a Q6600 @ 3.2, 4GB DDR2 1066 RAM, GTX 280 GPU
I'm Quaterno on twitch/youtube where I have VODs of the quality that I've been streaming at if anyone wants to see.
On March 14 2012 04:09 Quaterno wrote: Hey, I've been streaming for a while now but I'm getting lag in game and it's getting to the point where I can't play sometimes. I've tried using Dxtory but it doesn't seem to make much difference to me. I think I need to get a new computer and new internet but neither are terrible at the moment (and I won't be able to improve my internet until later in the year), just not quite top notch these days. I was wondering if anyone more experienced than me could shed some light on where my bottlenecks lie and what the best way to proceed would be (in terms of needing a new computer/different settings)
For bandwidth I have 8 down, 1 up and for my pc I've got a Q6600 @ 3.2, 4GB DDR2 1066 RAM, GTX 280 GPU
I'm Quaterno on twitch/youtube where I have VODs of the quality that I've been streaming at if anyone wants to see.
DXTory should be able to help with ingame input lag, but not necessarely with low fps. So you need to explain a bit more about your issue, and give some examples of FPS without streaming and while streaming with and without dxtory.. Also include your stream settings (resolution, fps and channel settings) . The Q6600 is fine for a 480p resolution, but if you go above that you need to watch your cpu (let us know what your cpu usage is).
On March 14 2012 23:47 EU.Pink wrote: Can it cause lag for my viewers if my upload is very high and i set everything on best possible quality?
Yes it can! If you upload with e.g. 6-8 mbps, your viewers have to be able to download with a stable and matching speed. Unless you get partnered with a streaming provider that provides the viewers with an option to down scale the stream.
I have a 2600k and only .7mbit upload to stream with.
I was under the impression that a higher quality, higher framerate, and slower preset would help the quality increase to as high as it can really get considering my bandwidth.
People seem to say I can switch to quality 6-8, with a default preset and not affect my stream quality whatsoever (because it's being bottlenecked so to say by my upload).
I just don't want my settings creating a stream that's lower quality than my combined 600kb/s video and audio bitrate can handle.
Also, what effect does framerate really have, anyway? Would increasing fps to 60 for my low res (normally 800x600) stream help increase quality whatsoever (removing blurry areas quicker?). Or would lowering it to 20 instead of 30 increase my overall quality because each frame is a higher size?
tldr: I feel like choosing a slower preset and higher quality makes my stream look better even lower uploads with slow preset and higher quality.
On March 28 2012 00:53 rkshox wrote: getting a new video card in a week or two..let's hope my specs will allow me to stream!
GPU has nothing to do with streaming. It's all CPU based.
Okay like most of you my FPS has been dropping dramatically like 200 to 80ish and then down to like 40-50 range when alot of units/battling when i try to stream on twitch via XSplit. I have done a few things to make it better, before it was 20 fps at beginning of the game but is there any way to make it better? PC Specs Intel Core i7 CPU 3.07GHz 2.65 GHz 8 GB ram Gfx card - GTX 480 Windows 7 64 bit
on Xsplit Resolution 1280 x 720 HD Fram rate 25 fps and i changed the scale point to 10% for less cpu usage also i went to general settings and disabled the Aero theme.
So any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
PS. My pc always runs a bit hot like mid 70 degrees celsius any suggestions on that would be pretty sweet too
On March 29 2012 11:21 xPrecisionx wrote: my FPS has been dropping dramatically like 200 to 80ish and then down to like 40-50 range when alot of units/battling
Intel Core i7 CPU 3.07GHz 2.65 GHz
That is actually about as good as it gets with your hardware. 40-50 is surprisingly high and you should be happy to achieve that.
quick question, do you guys get massive frame rate hit when you enable your mouse cursor? i find that not having mouse cursor showing improves fps by a LOT but feel that viewers wouldn't like to watch a stream as much if the cursor wasn't there.
also, i was always under the impression gpu didn't matter much for streaming, but it really does. my CPU never hits full load even on medium xsplit settings (running a i7 980x at 4.4ghz with 12core enabled on dxtory) yet i take a huge fps hit whenever i enable dxtory recording and start my xsplit stream. big fps hit on enabling mouse cursor too. even forcing dxtory to "force cpu processing" doesn't make any difference.
im streaming at 720p because it appears my gpu cant handle streaming at 1080p. streaming 1080p with my previous graphics card was fine but it was defective and that gpu caused my computer to crash so i had to get rid of it.
On March 28 2012 11:55 Nabutso wrote: I have a 2600k and only .7mbit upload to stream with.
I was under the impression that a higher quality, higher framerate, and slower preset would help the quality increase to as high as it can really get considering my bandwidth.
People seem to say I can switch to quality 6-8, with a default preset and not affect my stream quality whatsoever (because it's being bottlenecked so to say by my upload).
I just don't want my settings creating a stream that's lower quality than my combined 600kb/s video and audio bitrate can handle.
Also, what effect does framerate really have, anyway? Would increasing fps to 60 for my low res (normally 800x600) stream help increase quality whatsoever (removing blurry areas quicker?). Or would lowering it to 20 instead of 30 increase my overall quality because each frame is a higher size?
tldr: I feel like choosing a slower preset and higher quality makes my stream look better even lower uploads with slow preset and higher quality.
On March 28 2012 00:53 rkshox wrote: getting a new video card in a week or two..let's hope my specs will allow me to stream!
GPU has nothing to do with streaming. It's all CPU based.
i used to believe that, until i swapped to a lower end graphics card and i couldn't handle 1080p anymore. i am forced to stream in 720p now because its too laggy with my stream going. very playable without xsplit and dxtory and unplayable with them going.
you never mentioned your xsplit video encoding preset. what is it? what FPS is your xsplit and dxtory set to? what is your laptop's native resolution and what is your dxtory and xsplit resolution set to?
Weird, when I installed the trial version of Dxtory I was able to get a constant 60 FPS (in-game) after hitting record, then after getting the license, my in-game frame rate dropped to 30-50. I tried messing around with the settings but couldn't get it to how it was. Any ideas?
Posting my Dxtory user support thread here too, in case somebody could help me :
Hello!
I would like to stream some Starcraft 2 and I've been advised to use Dxtory. So I downloaded the trial version hoping to have a good enough result to buy it. Unfortunately for the moment it is not the case. I followed a guide on Team Liquid and also read a lot of helping threads in this forum.
But no matter what I do, my FPS goes from 60 to 20 when I press F12 to start recording.
Now, my computer isn't the best there is, but the thing that I find extremely weird is that is goes to exactly 20 when I record. I tried changing some settings often mentionned in these threads such as : - Enable Multi GPU Fix Code - Force GPU Processing - Enable Synchronous Surface Lock - Changing Processing threads from 1 to 4 or even 8 - Changing the codec quality from true quality to medium quality.
But no matter what I do, when I record, it goes to exactly 20 FPS. If it was just my computer being bad, I would think that in the best quality and without all these boxes enabled I'd go even lower (10 FPS), and with the worst quality and all the boxes checked I'd reach 30 FPS. But it's always 20...
That's why I'm thinking that there must be some kind of limitation on my computer and maybe you can help me figure out what it is.
I recently looked into dxtory for streaming and have been very pleased with the results so far. However I was trying to use dxtory to make local recordings and record them to youtube. I was disappointed to find after waiting 3 hours for a 45 second test clip to upload that youtube couldn't handle the file. So when using the dxtory codec, the avi file that is produced has some kind of "xtor" codec in it, and vlc cant open the file, but windows media player could. Is there any way to convert these files to something youtube can handle? Thanks in advance
Hey, thanks for this post, it improved my FPS significantly xD! I prefer this over the VHScrncap or w/e. However, my stream doesn't look as crisp as yours.
I stream at 720 bitrate (for both), fast preset, as well as 96kbs for audio.
Is this because I play on High/Ultra settings? Since there's more detail, which I'm assuming takes longer to encode o_o tbh I don't really know much about this stuff. Is this an xsplit setting issue? dxtory setting issue?
Here's my speedtest: (I'm Canadian so my internet is horrible)
in order to reduce ingame lag, what changes should i make in xsplit? Lower bitrate? FPS? Resolution? or smthin in dxtory?
ingame fps is high
28/1 internet speed i5 2400 hd 5850
bandwidth test on xsplit gives me 760-780 and with a quad core, would setting the preset slow-medium be in my best interest since i have a low upload speed?
I've been struggling with Xsplit for months now to deal with this in-game "suttering issue." Even when my FPS holds at 70-80+, the game feels choppy/laggy. The best way I can describe it is playing like I'm in walking in maple syrup.
I've tried everything from running the stream on extremely low settings that barely stress the CPU to extremely high ones. I bandwidth test every single time before I stream and always get green. My upload/download are very good and I always ensure I connect to the best Xsplit server for me that day. This is incredibly frustrating. I purchased the full version of Xsplit and Dxtory. I've tried xplit screen capture, dxtory + xsplit and gamesource and all of them give me the issue, although dxtory + xsplit is probably the best results.
I've also tried setting the affinities differently (every combination possible) and just anything I can imagine to tweak with Dxtory and Xsplit settings. I've wasted hours on this.
I read a lot about Xsplit not playing nice with ATI cards. If this is the case, I'm going to buy an NVIDIA card because I'm really fed up struggling through this.
Here's my settings (all of my drivers, bios and everything are completely up to date):
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Overclocked to 3800
Mobo: ASRock M3A770DE
Memory: 8 GB DDR3 DRAM Frequency 480.0 MHZ
Graphics: Radeon HD 6850 1 GB
Bandwidth test results (speedtest.net):
Stream settings:
I post these reluctantly, because I have tried every single combination of stream settings known to man, but here's what I roll with for now:
Quality: 7 Xsplit Default Setting anywhere from 700 to 1000 to 1500 to 2000 upload/buffer depending on my mood. All of them give the same results "choppy" wise. FPS: 22 Resolution: Every combination of 16:10 discovered in history, although my default resolution is 1680x1050 (I usually use 1440).
HELP please. I'd very much appreciate it. Is it playable? Yes, barely, but it definitely affects my quality of play. I move slower, miss overlords, double build units, mismicro banelings, etc. I like streaming a lot, but this is so frustrating to play with.
That said, when I play without streaming, it's like taking a massive handicap off my game and I feel like the fastest SC2 player alive. It's sort of akin to using a doughnut on your baseball bat before going up to the plate. :-(. Gotta find the bright spots.
Athlon II x4 3.41 gb/2.5nb 7/7/22/31 1348mhz RAM 4GB gtx460 gpu (severely underclocked memory clock, due to issues, damn msi)
Best server based on ping
Justin.tv account
Settings: 1280x768 (only thing that works on my monitor without screwed up edges or blurriness) Ultra Graphics settings
Xsplit: Preset: Xsplit Default (not sure where to put) Quality: 10 (not sure where to put) VBV Max/Buffer: Both 2200 bitrate (seems that this is the highest I can get with the 'green' light on bandwidth test) 16 khz 16 bit mono, 12800bitrate Resolution: 1280x720 (only one xsplit seems to allow?, have to pay if i want to make it 1280x768 . I think I want 5:3 resolution since that's what 1280x768 is, but there's no option to make a custom resolution so I can't do that) 25fps
I've overclocked my budget PC's CPU, RAM, and NB as hard as it could go for 24 hour stable (sadly it was stability limited, though got another core). I run sc2 just fine on ultra with my resolution.
But I'm not certain where to go with xsplit settings, or exactly. I hear different things from every guide, but none really say how to take into account my less-than-ideal CPU but more-than-enough upload.
I've tested streaming before, but I was on .6up and the game had too much input lag. I haven't really tested it out now that my upload is way better, but was wondering what settings I should try to go for now, and how to put more of the stress on my upload than my cpu. I'm also wondering if I should get more RAM... none of the guides talk about hardware, and or good upload.
I don't use DXtory. I don't know why, but my ~60 fps when using just xsplit, or not using xsplit, goes to like 10-15 fps even when nothing going on. Dxtory seems to crap everything out.
Also: I play on Full screen mode, with "Enable Game Source" off. Is that right? I'm a bit confused on if I need to be windowed or not, windowed seems to hurt performance, and what enable game source is or if i should use it. One confusing thing about this is like, I can either drag over a screen region right... but I somehow got it so I can also set camera region to : "Screen window "Starcraft II" in "sc2.exe" process"
edit: So I've played around - and there doesn't really seem to be a difference between playing on full screen on sc2, or windowed (full screen), having "enable game source" on or off, using screen region or screen window sc2 process, or any combination of those things. I dont get it. My fpd is like 30-50, i dont like it, but I dont have input lag like i did when i played on .6up. I think I just need to lower my graphcis or something. Not sure what to set my resolution too...
@konadora, Did you 'turn on' DXTory by hitting F12 (default start/stop key). Note that some of the older DXTory versions do not respond to the hotkey, I believe it was ~2.0.108.
I did everything in the videos and the stuff turn orange and the numbers stayed orange in the game (Counter-Strike:Source) , I click F9(my hotkey) , but the game doesn't appear in the Xsplit, I don't know why because I did everything equal in the videos s:
Edit: It works now with a different dxtory version but Im not happy with the quality of the stream. Im running game at 1600 x 1024 and stream at 1280 x 720.. is there any way I can improve the quality without having to get premium xsplit?
Im obviously running at 10/10 quality in xsplit already.
I'm not sure why, but Dxtory is reducing my FPS. I want to use it instead of using Xsplit's screen region. Xsplit's screen region is what causes my lag so this is why I want dxtory to work. Not sure what im doing wrong, only getting worse results then before, and have followed the steps. Any help is appreciated : ) I'm not sure what goes into it, so here are some of my specs: Graphics Card: GTX 670 CPU: Intel i7 2600K(it shows 8 of these in device manager) Internet speed: 30 Down, 5 up. Thanks again
MY PROBLEM: as stated ive used Dxtory ALOT,and its awesome, and yesterday i think dxtory had an patch or something and now i can record wiith it ingame anymore... ive tried to reinstall it and everything but it wont work.. anyone have a clue? _________________________________________________________________________________________
SOLVED ! for some reason the "dxtory video 1" didnt work,so i simply made "Dxtory video 2" set up and it worked with that one,
OR it couldve been that i had to remove them from my xsplit since i uninstalled the last dxtory and had to put in the new one with new version!
so ill leave this here in case anyone have the same problem
On May 07 2012 08:55 Wabooz wrote: I hate the people complaining about their upload. I want to stream, and my PC is decent. However...
It just isn't feasible with that upload.
Yeah, I have similar upload and can't seem to get it working without lagging and my stream looks like a comic book, everything happens in episodes.
My upload is similar to yours, which makes me cry
I had a similar (.44) upload speed and I managed to stream with a 300kbit video and 64kbit audio, you can try 200kbit video and 64kbit audio with as slow of a preset as possible. If you play on 1080p res, downscale it to 1/2 (so 540p which is still high for your bitrate) so downscale it 1/2 again... basically every 4 pixels on screen is 1 pixel to your stream. It will look bad, but it'll probably be watchable.
If you do manage to get some better speeds.. anything under 1mbit upload is still too low for anything over 480p in most cases (I stream Civ V at 1080p because.. you don't really move around too much, so the still image quality is worth the macro blocking when you do move, this is with .7mbit upload)
On May 07 2012 08:55 Wabooz wrote: I hate the people complaining about their upload. I want to stream, and my PC is decent. However...
It just isn't feasible with that upload.
Yeah, I have similar upload and can't seem to get it working without lagging and my stream looks like a comic book, everything happens in episodes.
My upload is similar to yours, which makes me cry
I had a similar (.44) upload speed and I managed to stream with a 300kbit video and 64kbit audio, you can try 200kbit video and 64kbit audio with as slow of a preset as possible. If you play on 1080p res, downscale it to 1/2 (so 540p which is still high for your bitrate) so downscale it 1/2 again... basically every 4 pixels on screen is 1 pixel to your stream. It will look bad, but it'll probably be watchable.
If you do manage to get some better speeds.. anything under 1mbit upload is still too low for anything over 480p in most cases (I stream Civ V at 1080p because.. you don't really move around too much, so the still image quality is worth the macro blocking when you do move, this is with .7mbit upload)
Thanks for the detailed reply, I have messed with the settings a lot (I've even put the stream on minimum, 100kbit), but I still lag (I have around 800 ping on Ventrilo where I usually have around 150, it is located in the US), and game is unplayable. Just have to be patient until I get more ram (2gb ram, 8800 gts, 2.4 quadcore, which should be enough, but my connection is godhorrible). And quite frankly, that is the only internet provider here where I live in Bosnia.
I'll keep messing with it though, it'll work somehow, thanks again
Do you guys think its possible to stream my game ( at low quality like 480p ) With 4.20 Mb/s and 0,8 Upload!
And with that cumputer : Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale Socket 775 LGA (@45 nm) 3000 Mhz ( L1I: 2 x 32 Ko, L1D: 2 x 32 Ko, L2: 6144 Ko ) DDR2 Kingston 9905315-019.A02LF 512 Mo PC2-6400 (400 Mhz) nVidia Corporation:G92 [GeForce 9800 GT]
I know its really bad but i just wonder if its possible because im trying with only xsplit and screen capture but right now im lagging in macro game! so i cant really stream my ladder and real game! :/
I might upgrade my internet for 15/10 so thats would help! but still :/ and i might have a laptop so i was wondering if its possible to play on cumputer but stream on my laptop? well thanks for all those information!
On June 24 2012 02:39 zerK wrote: Do you guys think its possible to stream my game ( at low quality like 480p ) With 4.20 Mb/s and 0,8 Upload!
Yes, but barely. Your internet is okay for 480p, but since you are on a dual core, you will need to use the fastest preset 'superfast' to allow your game access to more cpu resources, but you might also need to drop the fps and resolution further. When using screen regions make sure that Aero is completely disabled. XSplit does this by default, but to make double sure, you can switch to a classic Windows theme while streaming.
On June 24 2012 02:39 zerK wrote: I might upgrade my internet for 15/10 so thats would help!
That will not help in your case. Your cpu is severely holding you back.
On June 24 2012 02:39 zerK wrote: i might have a laptop so i was wondering if its possible to play on cumputer but stream on my laptop? well thanks for all those information!
Depends on the laptop. The best way is to use a capture card, and while some do support USB, it's mostly USB3 and only certain USB controllers that are compatible (ie. for the BlackMagic Intensity Shuttle). There are software only solutions (ie. VLC) but they require quite a lot of power and patience setting up.
Depending on what your goals for your stream is, it may look like you need to consider upgrading your hardware.
I have a CRT monitor (so 4:3 obviously) but I'm playing Starcraft at a 1280x720 (16 : 9) windowed resolution. I try to stream with Xsplit and Dxtory, the quality is "ok", however for some weird reasons, whenever I play against the AI (offline) my ingame fps are pretty high and the game is smooth, but whenever I play online (ladder, custom games etc) I have like 30-40 fps and it's just unplayable.
How can I fix this? Also, which settings am I supposed to use with my internet connection and the fact that I use 1280x720 windowed SC2 resolution on a CRT monitor?
Anyone think I will be able to stream with that Internet? That is a speedtest on wireless. I play at 1080p resolution and my CPU specs are as follows:
Intel i5 2500K - Overclocked to 4.3GHz Corsair Vengeance 8GB 1600MHz DDR3 RAM PNY XLR8 GTX 560Ti OC2 1024MB Crucial M4 64GB SSD - SC2 is installed on the SSD
There's absolutely no way you'll be able to stream with that Upload speed. Imo you need like a minimum of 5 mbps in order to have a comfortable and watchable stream, even 2 - 3 mbps would result in a laggy or low quality stream. You need to factor in the fact that some of your upload is used for the game you're playing and various other things.
Well the guy who started this thread has a worse upload and worse PC than me, yet to me his stream looks perfectly fine. What makes you think I need a 'minimum' of 5Mbps upload? I'd love to know.
Mackem, if you use DXTory and your wireless is STABLE (a rarity) you could be looking to push an ok quality 640p stream at something like 650/700kbps. But it's not going to be the most clear thing, but could be watchable.
The big thing about streaming is stability, and any hiccups in your wifi will be reflected very clearly on your stream.
Anyone think I will be able to stream with that Internet? That is a speedtest on wireless. I play at 1080p resolution and my CPU specs are as follows:
Intel i5 2500K - Overclocked to 4.3GHz Corsair Vengeance 8GB 1600MHz DDR3 RAM PNY XLR8 GTX 560Ti OC2 1024MB Crucial M4 64GB SSD - SC2 is installed on the SSD
There's absolutely no way you'll be able to stream with that Upload speed. Imo you need like a minimum of 5 mbps in order to have a comfortable and watchable stream, even 2 - 3 mbps would result in a laggy or low quality stream. You need to factor in the fact that some of your upload is used for the game you're playing and various other things.
A 950kbps stream is perfectly watchable, what are you talking about?
On June 26 2012 04:17 Ner0 wrote: Mackem, if you use DXTory and your wireless is STABLE (a rarity) you could be looking to push an ok quality 640p stream at something like 650/700kbps. But it's not going to be the most clear thing, but could be watchable.
The big thing about streaming is stability, and any hiccups in your wifi will be reflected very clearly on your stream.
Anyone think I will be able to stream with that Internet? That is a speedtest on wireless. I play at 1080p resolution and my CPU specs are as follows:
Intel i5 2500K - Overclocked to 4.3GHz Corsair Vengeance 8GB 1600MHz DDR3 RAM PNY XLR8 GTX 560Ti OC2 1024MB Crucial M4 64GB SSD - SC2 is installed on the SSD
There's absolutely no way you'll be able to stream with that Upload speed. Imo you need like a minimum of 5 mbps in order to have a comfortable and watchable stream, even 2 - 3 mbps would result in a laggy or low quality stream. You need to factor in the fact that some of your upload is used for the game you're playing and various other things.
A 950kbps stream is perfectly watchable, what are you talking about?
I don't usually use WiFi, that test was just because I don't have my desktop up and running at the moment because my motherboard is away getting repaired. I always use Ethernet. Would this make a difference in terms of the quality of the stream?
@Mackem and the following 4 posts: Snuggles seem to assume you wanted to stream in 1080p, and that's why he reacts the way he does . You can stream 480p and possibly 720p (but likely with a lot of pixelation). Personally I would most definitely go for a clean/smooth 480p stream rather than the 720p (720p@30fps requires around 1500-3000 kbps for optimum high end quality conditions).
@soldiuM Playing vs. the AI means you are not connected (while playing) to Bnet, this reduces the stress on your computer (a little). You don't mention your online fps, nor your non-streaming fps. I would like to see those to compare with the 30-40 you have when streaming. 30-40 is not completely unheard of, but to make sure you are using the optimum settings for the chosen capture method you are using, please have a quick look at these two FAQ entries: Screen Region: https://www.xsplit.com/forum/faq.php#f4r2 GameSource: https://www.xsplit.com/forum/faq.php#f4r3 Then go back and test some more, while monitoring your cpu usage (on each core, not the average value). Make sure you don't max out any core. If you do, you need to lower your settings. What I'd recommend is that you start low and work your way up, not the other way around, and only change one setting at the time. This will give you a much better understanding of each setting too. Here's my suggestions: Stream resolution: 480p @ 25 fps. Video settings: VeryFast preset, quality, 7, bitrate 500, buffer 1000. Audio settings: If possible (paid users only): AAC LC, 44.1KHz 16bit Stereo and 96 kbps.
Going to post this here since you guys are into streaming.
Almost set to purchase this new setup, but just want to make sure it's adequate to stream at a decent quality at 480p while maintaining good performance (60+ fps) on high settings in SC2.
CPU: Intel i5 3570k RAM: 8GB (will this help if I go to 16GB? I don't mind spending an extra $50 if it'll make an impact) GPU: GTX 670
Monitor I have is at 1920x1080, and internet UL speeds are 25 down + 2.5 up. Thanks for any help you guys can offer
On June 26 2012 16:35 HellGreen wrote: @Mackem and the following 4 posts: Snuggles seem to assume you wanted to stream in 1080p, and that's why he reacts the way he does . You can stream 480p and possibly 720p (but likely with a lot of pixelation). Personally I would most definitely go for a clean/smooth 480p stream rather than the 720p (720p@30fps requires around 1500-3000 kbps for optimum high end quality conditions).
@soldiuM Playing vs. the AI means you are not connected (while playing) to Bnet, this reduces the stress on your computer (a little). You don't mention your online fps, nor your non-streaming fps. I would like to see those to compare with the 30-40 you have when streaming. 30-40 is not completely unheard of, but to make sure you are using the optimum settings for the chosen capture method you are using, please have a quick look at these two FAQ entries: Screen Region: https://www.xsplit.com/forum/faq.php#f4r2 GameSource: https://www.xsplit.com/forum/faq.php#f4r3 Then go back and test some more, while monitoring your cpu usage (on each core, not the average value). Make sure you don't max out any core. If you do, you need to lower your settings. What I'd recommend is that you start low and work your way up, not the other way around, and only change one setting at the time. This will give you a much better understanding of each setting too. Here's my suggestions: Stream resolution: 480p @ 25 fps. Video settings: VeryFast preset, quality, 7, bitrate 500, buffer 1000. Audio settings: If possible (paid users only): AAC LC, 44.1KHz 16bit Stereo and 96 kbps.
Yeah I play in 1080p but want to stream in 720p if possible or I wouldn't mind 480p as long as it looked decent enough (Would it look alright fullscreen on Twitch for example)
On June 26 2012 16:35 HellGreen wrote: @soldiuM Here's my suggestions: Stream resolution: 480p @ 25 fps. Video settings: VeryFast preset, quality, 7, bitrate 500, buffer 1000. Audio settings: If possible (paid users only): AAC LC, 44.1KHz 16bit Stereo and 96 kbps.
He has a 0.84Mbit upload connection, his buffer should be equal that of bitrate. So he should be using 500 bitrate and buffer 500.
No, the buffer does not care about the bitrate no matter the speed available. As this low bitrate you actually stand a chance to gain quality from using a larger buffer, which I'll explain in a bit. The official recommended buffer size from us are 1-2 times the bitrate depending on the scenario. The buffer is really a user side setting for decoding, and does not affect much else than how long the user has to wait for the player to begin streaming. Assuming you can download with at least the speed of the stream bitrate, if the buffer is set 1:1 with the bitrate, the player needs to wait 1 second. If the buffer is 2:1 then it's two seconds. However, the reason behind my recommendation is that there are opportunities to slightly improve quality if the buffer is larger. Specifically the bigger buffer allows to look ahead and predict which frames to encode in which order, thus optimizing the encoding process. Roughly spoken the stream will look as if you had more bandwidth available (for a very short time). However this trick does not mean you can bump the buffer indefinitely. This is all explained in our blog post here: https://www.xsplit.com/blog.php?post_id=305.
On June 26 2012 20:04 Mackem wrote: [...]I wouldn't mind 480p as long as it looked decent enough (Would it look alright fullscreen on Twitch for example)
That answer is subject to personal preference. It really depends on the viewer, their monitor resolution, monitor size, distance from the monitor etc. I'd recommend to go look at a 480p and decide for yourself. I'll stick to my previous recommendation on resolutions though.
How is xsplit game source capture performance vs dxtory capture performance doing these days? It appears whether xsplit is broadcasting or not, enabling dxtory capture automatically drops my frame rates by nearly 50% or more in some cases. I thought dxtory had pretty minimal effect on performance hits, but my recent testing has shown otherwise.
On June 27 2012 20:03 mrgoochio wrote: How is xsplit game source capture performance vs dxtory capture performance doing these days? It appears whether xsplit is broadcasting or not, enabling dxtory capture automatically drops my frame rates by nearly 50% or more in some cases. I thought dxtory had pretty minimal effect on performance hits, but my recent testing has shown otherwise.
Dxtory is a great piece of software that works really well with XSplit. Are you testing this while having Dxtory added in an XSplit scene? If yes, then the load likely comes from XSplit when it starts capturing the frames from Dxtory. You can do a simple test with XSplit closed and start/stop Dxtory to see its affect on performance, or just look at the individual processes in Task Manager. As for our own full screen capture method GameSource we are able to match Dxtory in several games but I have to say it's quite dependent on the game, settings and the system specs. R1CH recently did a comparison though initially it did not follow the recommended settings and the results were affected by this. Dxtory and GameSource should always be compared rather than Dxtory and ScreenRegion .
On June 27 2012 20:03 mrgoochio wrote: How is xsplit game source capture performance vs dxtory capture performance doing these days? It appears whether xsplit is broadcasting or not, enabling dxtory capture automatically drops my frame rates by nearly 50% or more in some cases. I thought dxtory had pretty minimal effect on performance hits, but my recent testing has shown otherwise.
Dxtory is a great piece of software that works really well with XSplit. Are you testing this while having Dxtory added in an XSplit scene? If yes, then the load likely comes from XSplit when it starts capturing the frames from Dxtory. You can do a simple test with XSplit closed and start/stop Dxtory to see its affect on performance, or just look at the individual processes in Task Manager. As for our own full screen capture method GameSource we are able to match Dxtory in several games but I have to say it's quite dependent on the game, settings and the system specs. R1CH recently did a comparison though initially it did not follow the recommended settings and the results were affected by this. Dxtory and GameSource should always be compared rather than Dxtory and ScreenRegion .
I didn't test that extensively so I will keep trying different methods, thanks for the quick info by the way.
Also another quick question, is xsplit able to take advantage of multi core CPU's?
I'm currently running a 980x OC'd to 4.4Ghz but I'm waiting on a mounting bracket so I can setup my Intel DX79SR 2011 motherboard with an i7 3960X. Will be putting it under water and seeing what kind of OC I can achieve and will use that machine to stream with. My 980x is OC'd on air right now so I'm hopeful for a moderate speed increase
On June 28 2012 06:48 mrgoochio wrote: Also another quick question, is xsplit able to take advantage of multi core CPU's?
I'm currently running a 980x OC'd to 4.4Ghz but I'm waiting on a mounting bracket so I can setup my Intel DX79SR 2011 motherboard with an i7 3960X. Will be putting it under water and seeing what kind of OC I can achieve and will use that machine to stream with. My 980x is OC'd on air right now so I'm hopeful for a moderate speed increase
That would be a really mean streaming rig! . And yes, XSplit fully supports multiple cores. According to standalone benchmarks for X264 you can expect close to linear scaling when it comes to encoding performance. Capture performance does not scale as well as encoding, but there's a lot of factors going into predicting that
On June 28 2012 06:48 mrgoochio wrote: Also another quick question, is xsplit able to take advantage of multi core CPU's?
I'm currently running a 980x OC'd to 4.4Ghz but I'm waiting on a mounting bracket so I can setup my Intel DX79SR 2011 motherboard with an i7 3960X. Will be putting it under water and seeing what kind of OC I can achieve and will use that machine to stream with. My 980x is OC'd on air right now so I'm hopeful for a moderate speed increase
That would be a really mean streaming rig! . And yes, XSplit fully supports multiple cores. According to standalone benchmarks for X264 you can expect close to linear scaling when it comes to encoding performance. Capture performance does not scale as well as encoding, but there's a lot of factors going into predicting that
Still curious if you know if xsplit takes advantage of Intel hexacore chips! Haven't found any solidified information yet but I'm searching
Hi Dxtory doesn't work for me, if i push F12 it just does nothing, I tried both fullscreen and fullscreen (windowed) in sc2, even tried making dxtory window active while pushing F12, nothing works. SC2 does show up in target tab in dxtory, and green frame counter is displayed, it just won't turn yellow or start recording. Thanks in advance.
For some reason, whenever I stream with an output of 720p or more, my in-game frame rate goes down to below 60. Anything below that, and it's smooth sailing for the most part, any idea why?
On July 11 2012 06:47 Priidrik wrote: Hi Dxtory doesn't work for me, if i push F12 it just does nothing, I tried both fullscreen and fullscreen (windowed) in sc2, even tried making dxtory window active while pushing F12, nothing works. SC2 does show up in target tab in dxtory, and green frame counter is displayed, it just won't turn yellow or start recording. Thanks in advance.
What version are you using? For a test, try enabling 'File output', if you can enable DXtory then, you might be using a old version, since it was a previous "bug" (look back on page 1-2ish).
On July 11 2012 16:46 GTR wrote: i5 2500k OC'd to 4Ghz 8GB RAM GTX 560Ti
For some reason, whenever I stream with an output of 720p or more, my in-game frame rate goes down to below 60. Anything below that, and it's smooth sailing for the most part, any idea why?
Let's see. It could be due to the preset? What's yours? And stream FPS? Are you allowing Aero to be on? Is any core on your cpu maxed? And finally, to give me a point of reference, at what settings can you stream comfortably?
On July 11 2012 16:46 GTR wrote: i5 2500k OC'd to 4Ghz 8GB RAM GTX 560Ti
For some reason, whenever I stream with an output of 720p or more, my in-game frame rate goes down to below 60. Anything below that, and it's smooth sailing for the most part, any idea why?
Let's see. It could be due to the preset? What's yours? And stream FPS? Are you allowing Aero to be on? Is any core on your cpu maxed? And finally, to give me a point of reference, at what settings can you stream comfortably?
i have a i5 2500k too with 4,5 Ghz 8GB RAM and a GTX 560 ti 448c i play on 1680x1050 on medium-medium and when i stream i have at the beginning of the game 90 or 100 ~ fps but i see on my scv´s that they are a bit laggy and its really annoying even if i have over 60+ fps dont understand why ~
On July 15 2012 06:02 kaup wrote: i have a i5 2500k too with 4,5 Ghz 8GB RAM and a GTX 560 ti 448c i play on 1680x1050 on medium-medium and when i stream i have at the beginning of the game 90 or 100 ~ fps but i see on my scv´s that they are a bit laggy and its really annoying even if i have over 60+ fps dont understand why ~
That's input lag (and probably unrelated to GTR's post). Usually fixed by adjusting the Aero mode to match the capture method, or through changing the capture method (try GameSource or Dxtory). Aero should be off for Screen Regions and on for the others. You can confirm the issue by lowering your stream FPS to 1 and monitor you scv's. Note when you do these tests, always remove and re-add the item from the XSplit scene and preferably test on a clean presentation.
I get choppiness and lag whenever I click "broadcast live", when I do that, my frame rate drops dramatically, to anything from 20 to 30 at max, and is unplayable, without going live I still get somewhat around 60 FPS. My upload speed is around just under 1 MB. The bit rate for xsplit is 600. I try streaming in 720 HD, but its so laggy when live, even when dropping frame rate to 15 in xSplit, you still feel the lag, streaming at 480p is much smoother at full FPS on xsplit, but still noticeable. Is there anyway to stream at 720p without choppiness? i5 2500k hd 6670 4gb
On July 16 2012 14:16 RedSox12 wrote: I get choppiness and lag whenever I click "broadcast live", when I do that, my frame rate drops dramatically, to anything from 20 to 30 at max, and is unplayable, without going live I still get somewhat around 60 FPS. My upload speed is around just under 1 MB. The bit rate for xsplit is 600. I try streaming in 720 HD, but its so laggy when live, even when dropping frame rate to 15 in xSplit, you still feel the lag, streaming at 480p is much smoother at full FPS on xsplit, but still noticeable. Is there anyway to stream at 720p without choppiness? i5 2500k hd 6670 4gb
Since you barely have the bitrate needed for 720p, I would highly recommend to stay at 480p or perhaps the better option for you 540p. What's your preset setting? And is your cpu (any core) maxed when broadcasting?
does anyone know what causes this? talking about the black flickering. is there a set of reccommended sc2 settings i should use with xplit?
i can stream on xplit at a very high quality but when i start a game of sc2 it lags and does the flickering as what was in that vid. also my actual game will be very stuttery and laggy, is this a problem with sc2?
i7 2.67 9gb ram gtx 260
is my graphics card not meant for this kind of thing? or is there some way i can reduce the load required of sc2 or xplitt to alow it all to run smoothly
edit: also want to add that as long as i am not tabbed to sc2 (fullscreen) everything is fine. but as soon as i alt tab back into sc2 my stream gets laggy and starts stuttering
edit#2: ok it's running smoothly after switching sc2 to fullscreen windowed mode
Anyone had a problem in Xsplit where adding the camera doesn't do anything? File, add camera, Dxtory video 1 and nothing appears in the scene sources box. Directshow output is enabled and so is virtual camera output in Xsplit (if that makes a difference)
What in-game FPS should I expect with xsplit+dxtory? I'm getting ~25 FPS during big battles which seems ... low EDIT: when not streaming I get 55-60FPS on the same scene. 50% drop seems unexpectedly high.
quad-core i7 2600 w/ hyperthreading GTX 560 game gfx: medium + high shaders + medium effects resolution: 1920x1200
preset: veryfast + a few custom tweaks to reduce CPU. quality: 10+ (remember, higher is worse/less CPU) output: 1280x800 VBV bitrate: 3500kbps
Utilization while streaming a replay: Xsplit.core.exe: 17-20% SC2.exe: 15% VHMultiWriter.exe: 5-10%
Do I have any options to improve framerate w/o sacrificing quality? Can I try to force xsplit to use more threads?
It seems that dxtory isn't working for Dota 2 anymore? I've tried using the -nod3d9ex fix but it's not working, anyone have a solution to this problem?
Hello! I'd like to start streaming but, I seem to be running into an issue while using X-Splits Test Bandwidth! Sometimes I get a greedot with 1900 and sometimes it goes yellow/red...Maybe I have to much crap open?
My Specs Are i7-3930k CPU 3.20GHz 3.80 GHz 16.0 GB Ram NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560
I currently have selected in my options are 60 FPS Quality 10 Resolution at 720p 1280x 720
I would like to stream games at a high quality but everytime I mess with my settings I get the dreaded red dot when I test the bandwidth...I can't seem to prefect this but, I was hoping someone would be willing to help!
On August 17 2012 03:22 Torte de Lini wrote: Is it possible to use Xsplit on one computer to capture the screen of antoehr computer?
Sort of. You need a capture card of some sort and a splitter.
Gaming PC =====> HDMI Splitter =====> Monitor | | =====> Capture/Stream PC
The Capture PC needs some sort of capture device made by someone like Blackmagic Design, Avermedia, or Hauppauge. You run XSplit and set the capture device as an input, then set up the rest of the scene, and away you go.
This is a great idea if you can afford it, because the Gaming PC can run graphics on Ultra, and the Capture/Stream PC can crank up the quality & preset.
EDIT put the capture/stream pc in the right splace.
On August 17 2012 07:07 Torte de Lini wrote: Like. I have a laptop that's got a decent CPU (2.27GHz, Quad-core) that I could use for streaming and my other PC can run most games max.
But how much would a capture device cost? that sounds like an awful lot of technical work too ):
You should double check your laptop CPU's performance in the TechArp encoding benchmark. A good rule of thumb is that you need to be comfortably above 60 to be able to capture and stream.
If the laptop is the capture/streaming PC, there are fewer options for capture. You could try the Hauppauge HD-PVR ($200) and use gamesource to feed the Hauppauge video to XSplit. But the Hauppauge is component in. If your GPU outputs DVI, you'll need a DVI splitter ($20) and a DVI to component adapter ($60). If it only does HDMI, you'll need an HDMI splitter ($20) and an HD Fury III ($250) or other converter (??).
There's also the Blackmagic intensity shuttle, but there are only a handful of motherboards that support USB 3.0 at the level that that device requires.
The other options are all PCI and require a desktop.
Hello, i'm trying to set up 720p stream but i have problems. My specs are:
e6600 dual core - > overclocked to 3000 MHz 6 gigs ram 4890 ati radeon with 2x ddr5
I have optics so my upload speed i sufficent for 1080p streaming, however, even if i try streaming in 480p, my audio isn't fluent, it keeps breaking up no matter which codec/setting i'm using. (The software i use is xsplit.)
On August 18 2012 10:03 whereismymind wrote: Halo. What is the minimum upload required for 480p and for 720p?
My specs:
i5 3570k @ 4.3ghz 16gb ram 4850 radeon
Upload speed is 512kb(which goes to max 72kbits/s).
If it is enough for 480p atleast what settings should I use? thanks
I don't think that's enough upstream bandwidth. According to the recommendations https://www.xsplit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8333, the stream alone for 360p@25fps requires ~500 Kbps. But you need some additional upstream bandwidth to play the game.
At best you might be able to do 360p@15fps. Might.
Hello, i've sorta fixed my problem. I've had to set the xsplit on noloop option and then use audio spliter (basically a wire from sound out into sound in), and then used virtual sound mixer to make it smooth. I hope there's a better sollution to this.
@Wolk If you can provide a sample of the audio issue, I'd like to take a closer look. The 'useloopback' should fix most issues, but if for some reason not, we'd be very interested in working with you to find the cause. Have you also tried to use the 'interleave audio and video' option (pic) in your channel setup?
Just FYI: We will release v. 1.1 in a few days which has the useloopback option enabled by default, as well as a lot of other audio quality improvements.
Edit: Can you post which audio codec you are using too?
Hello my Dxtory does not give me the ''green typos'' numbers at my screen anymore and i just start to lag so much, and i cant choose the camera option on Xsplit because it doesnt show the ''green numbers'' on my WoW any help?
On September 05 2012 08:51 Xhanon wrote: Hello my Dxtory does not give me the ''green typos'' numbers at my screen anymore and i just start to lag so much, and i cant choose the camera option on Xsplit because it doesnt show the ''green numbers'' on my WoW any help?
Go over your Dxtory settings and make sure it processes directshow output. If that didn't help then you probably need to reinstall Dxtory - or even consider rolling back your Windows to a previous 'restore point'.
On September 05 2012 10:04 Frostfire wrote: Hello, when I stream 720p (25 fps) using xsplit, my SCII on low goes down to about 20-30 fps. Specs: Phenom II X6 145t (2.7Ghz, TurboBoost to 3.2Ghz, locked.)
First, did it use to be different, or have you just recently started streaming?
On August 27 2012 22:25 HellGreen wrote: @Wolk If you can provide a sample of the audio issue, I'd like to take a closer look. The 'useloopback' should fix most issues, but if for some reason not, we'd be very interested in working with you to find the cause. Have you also tried to use the 'interleave audio and video' option (pic) in your channel setup?
Just FYI: We will release v. 1.1 in a few days which has the useloopback option enabled by default, as well as a lot of other audio quality improvements.
Edit: Can you post which audio codec you are using too?
It sounded like helicopter sound, by using the "loopback" the music (internal) wasn't choppy anymore, however the mic was stil making robot sounds. So i had to trick the mic to go thru a "mixer", basically looped it out from stereo sound plug into mic plug (this mic was usb so i had the back port clear), and then using virtual audio cable i put mic and internal sounds into line 1 which was treated as microphone. It solved the issue of sound not being choppy, my mic was now acting like the music before and wasn't "robotic". Also i did try using interleave audio and video, turned them on and off multiple times and didn't change anything. I tryed using every codec, eventually i stopped with 22k or 16k KHZ mp3. (It had same issue with any of the codecs). I haven't tryed the new 1.1, but i hope it fixed some of the issues, it takes 30 minutes to set it up.
On September 05 2012 10:04 Frostfire wrote: Hello, when I stream 720p (25 fps) using xsplit, my SCII on low goes down to about 20-30 fps. Specs: Phenom II X6 145t (2.7Ghz, TurboBoost to 3.2Ghz, locked.)
First, did it use to be different, or have you just recently started streaming?
I used to stream on a different comp but in way worse quality, now I'm doing 720p. All my vods that are from like July+ are on the comp mentioned above.
@Wold We don't have mp3 audio in XSplit. Maybe that's just a typo?
@Frostfire Unfortunately, your cpu is not able to keep up in 720p. Streaming is hard on the cpu and 20-30 fps ingame is about what is to be expected on a cpu like yours.
On September 06 2012 20:11 HellGreen wrote: @Wold We don't have mp3 audio in XSplit. Maybe that's just a typo?
@Frostfire Unfortunately, your cpu is not able to keep up in 720p. Streaming is hard on the cpu and 20-30 fps ingame is about what is to be expected on a cpu like yours.
My in game frames drop from 120 to 30 using dxtory with Gw2, I am however using a very old version as I wanted to test it before purchasing, will purchase if I can fix this problem.
On September 07 2012 06:25 Esoterikk wrote: i5 2500k 8gb ram GTX 560 Ti Core Classified Edition OC
My in game frames drop from 120 to 30 using dxtory with Gw2, I am however using a very old version as I wanted to test it before purchasing, will purchase if I can fix this problem.
I can stream GW2 fine using screen capture, I have similar specs btw. I have low frame rate using DXtory and GW2.
On September 07 2012 03:31 Zombo Joe wrote: Is there any way to get rid of the mouselag I get from recording? Even when I have 60 fps its still apparent.
There should not be any significant mouse lag when using Dxtory, but if you are recording using Dxtory to record your computer's harddrive have to be up to par to keep up.
On September 07 2012 06:25 Esoterikk wrote: i5 2500k 8gb ram GTX 560 Ti Core Classified Edition OC My in game frames drop from 120 to 30 using dxtory with Gw2, I am however using a very old version as I wanted to test it before purchasing, will purchase if I can fix this problem.
Why not use the latest version? Although I'm not affiliated with the software, I know the programmer have made a lot of optimizations, and specifically on new games it would be wise to use latest version for optimum compatibility. Latest version is still free to try (just have the 'Dxtory' watermark in it).
I haven't streamed in a long time and recently decided to try again since Comcast raised my speed. However, my old setup of xsplit + dxtory doesn't seem to be working. My login info is in xsplit, dxtory is capturing to DirectShow and sending it to xsplit, I click broadcast and . . . no frames encode! It just says "0 frames encoded" at the top of xsplit continuously. Going to my URL at twitch.tv, I can verify that it's not working. Anyone have any ideas?
Edit: fixed by specifying a location in Xsplit. I guess the "default" server was down.
I got a i7 3770k Geforce 460 gtx 16 Ram On Extreme setting when I play normally its jumps from 100-110 fps...even in big battles... When I turn on Dxtory...10 fps is lost.....another 10 when i put the game to windowed mode...after that turning xsplit on drops down another 20 fps....so im at 60fps and in big battles its about 10-20 fps.....is this normal? Im at 1280 720 25 fps...when i turn everything on low graphic settings im at 60-70 fps in big battles.... and about 100-200 fps normally...jumps alot....my CPU is only working on max 30% during streaming....is my GPU too slow? also if I turn down the streaming resoultion or the gamesound there is very little difference...
On September 09 2012 15:31 provrorsbarn wrote: I got a i7 3770k Geforce 460 gtx
On Extreme setting when I play normally its jumps from 100-110 fps...even in big battles... When I turn on Dxtory...10 fps is lost.....another 10 when i put the game to windowed mode...after that turning xsplit on drops down another 20 fps....so im at 60fps and in big battles its about 10-20 fps.....is this normal? Im at 1280 720 25 fps...when i turn everything on low graphic settings im at 60-70 fps in big battles.... and about 100-200 fps normally...jumps alot....my CPU is only working on max 30% during streaming....is my GPU too slow?
You are very likely bottlenecked by your GPU yes. 'Extreme' settings are very tough on any hardware when streaming. The drops/performance you mention is within what is expected imho.
What are your numbers on say 'High' and 'Low' settings?
I heard there was some gamesource optimization for a few games including League of Legends in the 1.1 patch, but I swear it's running worse than it used to. I get 10-20fps playing on 2560x1440 (normally 250+ with my 2600k and 680) and capturing in xsplit with gamesource at 720p60. Using screen region gives me much better ingame performance (30-45 fps) but the preview screen looks like it's running at 20-24 fps or something, even though I have aero disabled when using screen region.
I really really really really wish there was some way for me to use a capture card and split the stream to directly feed the video into xsplit without capturing my screen... but I can't because I chose a 2560x1440 monitor. Is there anything I can do?
I have used years program called UScreenCapture (free program). I was so sure that my program is better then DxTory. I was wrong. If some one want to test out UScreenCapture then you can find it here http://www.umediaserver.net/umediaserver/download.html
Problem is that USC is virtual camera and can capture what ever is on screen but its limited to 30 FPS. If its installed then its just service on background doing nothing. When some program want to use that then it start eating CPU. And more FPS you want, more CPU it needs.
So i tested both program with same settings. 1080 resolution with 30 FPS and xsplit converted it to 720p stream. both streams worked great but ingame FPS differents where huge. I dont have some hyper computer. Quad core Q8400 processor with HD4870 graphics. So without any recording i get SC2 with low graphic 60-70 FPS. With USC i get 10-20, sometimes more but not much FPS and with DxTory i get 30-50 FPS. I must say that USC taked little less CPU then DxTory (but both times CPU where over 90%), but experience where totaly different. I looked over videos and there where no big difference in there.
Finally looks like i buy myself dxtory But still. UScreenCapture is free and do the job. Atleast I have 100/20 mbit/s network to use
I have a streaming question for whoever can help me - I've been using xsplit, and my game actually doesn't lag that badly (it does with bad internet). I'm a student at Wayne State University, and there are many free internet connections available all around campus, some are terrible - really fast - but really bad bandwidth. So it'll load pages after waiting doing nothing for as second, but the page loads in an instant almost. This is terrible for streaming - cause the fps just drops whenever you aren't getting bandwidth. But in the Law library the internet seems to be amazing at all times - so my game is fine
Now my issue, I've only been told about my multiple people - there's a big flickering problem, like black flashes. My game is fine, the stream is smooth as can be - but random flickering? Anyone else have this problem/can help me? Can dxtory help me? Thanks.... my stream is http://www.justin.tv/nistacular
Watched your last video and did not see any flashes but I think I know what you mean. Usually its fixable with antialiasing but dxtory will give you better fps in game and you dont need to use antialiasing so its allways usefull to use.
On September 19 2012 10:01 Nistacular wrote: Now my issue, I've only been told about my multiple people - there's a big flickering problem, like black flashes. My game is fine, the stream is smooth as can be - but random flickering? Anyone else have this problem/can help me? Can dxtory help me? Thanks.... my stream is http://www.justin.tv/nistacular
Unless the flickering is actually caused by your stream dropping and restarting, then 9 our of 10 times the cause for flickers is that you play a true fullscreen game and captures it with Screen Region. We do not support true fullscreen games with that capture method, so you have to use a different one, either our GameSource or Dxtory. Alternatively you can (likely) change your game to run in Fullscreen windowed mode (which is fine for SC2).
So do people use DXtory because for some weird reason they can't get screen region to work? I don't understand. I know certain games (bw, tf2) can only use game source/video capture, but I dont understand why you would want to use dxtory. Is it just that you can't troubleshoot a problem on your computer?
Dxtory always results in lower fps for me than windowed + screen region.
Is it true that you can stream with dxtory with a much lower bitrate? How exactly is that possible? So does that mean you need to have a particularly strong cpu to make dxtory work for you?
You are so totaly wrong in many things. Everyone who uses DxTory know and have used screen capture some sort of. Everyone who uses that knows how much less cpu it uses to get same quality. I used years UScreenCapture that gets what ever region from my desktop what ever there is perfectly but when I want stream and record at same time there is not enaugh cpu resourses and dxtory gave me 20% more cpu usage for other protsesses.
Its true you can get lower bitrate but its not really dxtory thing. It helps but is not reason for this.
And now question. 60 fps is not enaugh for you? I allways capture and stream 60 fps. Before dxtory I did not get many times even 30 for stream. If you get more fps with screen region thing, then you do something really wrong with dxtory.
I cannot understand anything you are saying but the reason I'm asking is because I don't understand. I don't see how I can be 'totaly wrong' in a question and personal experience, DXtory tends to kill performance.
IME, there's a performance hit going to windowed mode, but dxtory is a bigger performance hit. I've actually benchmarked a ton of settings, dxtory resulted in a good 5-10fps lower.
There's a reason not everyone uses DXtory. I'm just trying to figure out exactly why some people use it. Also, my CPU is not nearly as strong as the OP's, so I can't afford to use DXtory to use more cpu usage, as it's my bandwidth that's very good, just by CPU that's weaker.
Not to mention it's a pain in the ass to use and you have to switch scenes if you alt-tab or minimize the game while streaming.
DxTory uses GPU not CPU. You have really bad GPU or integrated one? If so then its all makes sense. If GPU cant handle it, then CPU have to compensate.
That's interesting that dxtory uses the GPU. So then if you have a weaker cpu, stronger GPU, maybe things would work better?
I was running athlon ii x4 3.4ghz/gtx 460. I'll try testing again, but I guess that would be why for some people dxtory is better and for others it's worse.
So can you run dxtory on a lower upload or bitrate or something? Why does the OP say he can stream well with just sub-1mb/s up?
Well... DxTory uses GPU to capture picture. Other tools capture picture from screen or something. Transcoding have allways made with CPU but other tools uses also CPU for capture picture. Picture quality allways depends on CPU. There is no help from DxTory. Only that, its not use CPU for capture picture itself. So if someone stream 1080p quality and CPU load is over 80% without dxtory, then he/she can get little more from theyr CPU if they use dxtory. I dont have experience with 460 and athlon II x4 CPU so maybe these things dont work same way with these things. I use dxtory mostly because xsplit have some problem with my GPU and when I dont use that directly with xsplit then all works fine.
I've made some guides myself if you want to check it out, this might be useful for a lot of people, I already posted this guide on 4 other forums with all having different bbcode, so I'm not going to repost it here:
Last one is a bit more over-viewable, I hope this helps a lot of people and I would very much recommend using open broadcaster. I will most likely not post here again but yeah, have fun if you have questions post them on the other forums
I've tried dxtory but it doesn't really change much for me. I still have about 20fps in game when I only press "broadcast" in my xsplit. I don't understand this, my computer is just monster, should be able to stream in 1080p with good graphic settings in game. My cpu usage is not even hitting 70% while streaming.
PC: Cpu - core i7-3770k oc 4,5Ghz Gpu - gigabyte gtx 670 windforce Motherboard - gigabyte z77x-ud5h Ram - Kingstone Xyperx 16gb 1333hz System - Windows 7 64bit
Xsplit settings: Resolution - 1920x1080 Fps - 30 quality - 8 Bitrate/buffor - 3000/3000 (can't set more, just getting red signal instantly, dunno why i have really good upload - see below) Preset - veryfast/faster (doesn't change anything for me)
Hello. I finished everything you said in guide and made it to the end, however it doesnt work. It says broadcasting was terminated and to confirm that i can stream by clicking brandwidth button. After i clicked it nothing happened.. It was all the same, can you help me ?
I've tried dxtory but it doesn't really change much for me. I still have about 20fps in game when I only press "broadcast" in my xsplit. I don't understand this, my computer is just monster, should be able to stream in 1080p with good graphic settings in game. My cpu usage is not even hitting 70% while streaming.
PC: Cpu - core i7-3770k oc 4,5Ghz Gpu - gigabyte gtx 670 windforce Motherboard - gigabyte z77x-ud5h Ram - Kingstone Xyperx 16gb 1333hz System - Windows 7 64bit
Xsplit settings: Resolution - 1920x1080 Fps - 30 quality - 8 Bitrate/buffor - 3000/3000 (can't set more, just getting red signal instantly, dunno why i have really good upload - see below) Preset - veryfast/faster (doesn't change anything for me)
I have also tried lower resolution but i have about 5fps more so it doesn't change anything, just unplayable. Any solution?
PS. i'm trying to stream World of Warcraft.
Are you using the new MoP areas? I do not play WoW, but I have read some people with GTX 670 complaning about fps dropping in those areas. Might be the case.
@Topic For some reason, I can't select Dxtory camera in XSplit. The "Add Camera" button doesn't have any options available - I can just click it. But then, nothing happens.
Dxtory Settings: I followed the guide on page one so its pretty much default at this point.
Speedtest:
The problem I have isn't so much how the stream looks, but how it feels sluggish/lag while I'm playing while streaming compared to when I'm not. When I'm not I don't experience any lag and it feels great yet when I try to stream it feels like I'm being hindered.
Hi, im trying to stream but i cant get any sound with xsplit. i already tried enabling stereo mix and anything i could find online Dxtory is working fine except for a huge DXTORY.COM banner on my screen, and i also cant get any sound i also tried open broadcast it has sound, but it lags me really bad.
Hello, I just followed al your steps but I can't seem to let it work. I did everything as you said. I want to stream League of Legends and the green numbers appear in the top left corner, but whenever I press F12, where my start/stop recording is set to, the screen freezes for around 2 seconds and than goes on, while the numbers stay green. I also tried to set the hotkey to a different key, but same result. The profile in the Dxtory is League of Legends(TM) Client and my XSplit has Dxtory Video 1 as source.
On January 13 2014 01:14 Carras wrote: Hi, im trying to stream but i cant get any sound with xsplit. i already tried enabling stereo mix and anything i could find online Dxtory is working fine except for a huge DXTORY.COM banner on my screen, and i also cant get any sound i also tried open broadcast it has sound, but it lags me really bad. help pls
The sound for XSplit should be automatically picked up. All you need to check is that your game/source is playing to the default speaker in Windows. Speaking of, what OS are you running? You normally do not need to use 'stereo mix'. But please explain how and what you're trying to stream.
On January 14 2014 03:50 Kaashoed wrote: Hello, I just followed al your steps but I can't seem to let it work. I did everything as you said. I want to stream League of Legends and the green numbers appear in the top left corner, but whenever I press F12, where my start/stop recording is set to, the screen freezes for around 2 seconds and than goes on, while the numbers stay green. I also tried to set the hotkey to a different key, but same result. The profile in the Dxtory is League of Legends(TM) Client and my XSplit has Dxtory Video 1 as source. Can anyone help me with this?
This sounds like a problem with the capture. Can you test with another game next?
Ok I'm back again asking for a little more help on setting my stream up. I'm currently using Xsplit/Dxtory, altho I'm using the trial version of Xsplit and want to see results before I purchase a license. Here are my specs:
CPU: Ivy i7 3770 GPU: EVGA Nvidia GTX770 MB: ASUS P8Z68-V LE RAM: 16gb Crucial 1866 Windows 7 64b Speedtest:
Xsplit Video: Codec X.264, Bitrate 2000, Mode CBR, Preset Veryfast, VBV Buffer 2000 Xsplit Audio: AAC LC HQ, Bitrate 96, Format 44.1 Khz mono Xsplit General Settings: 25fps, 1280x720, Scale Point Actual. When running Xsplit I Add the Dxtory camera and capture BF4 from Dxtory.
I'm currently recording from Dxtory and capturing it with Xsplit, but whenever I go live the game (in this case BF4) feels sluggish, my ping goes up roughly 10, and the game becomes pretty much unplayable without raging from deaths I normally would not have if I wasn't streaming. My fps wasn't bad at all, ranging from 70-100fps. I checked my CPU load and never went over 70% when live, nor did I have any frames dropped at 2000 bitrate with Twitch giving the green light the entire time. What settings do I need to tweak?
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