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Suichoy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada397 Posts
December 09 2013 10:41 GMT
#6621
On December 09 2013 00:31 Gamegene wrote:
you can find PBT cap sets at banggood but beware that there are a number of people claiming they're a pretty shady vendor.

some people have gotten their PBT caps and delivered cheap, others claim they didn't receive any product at all.

I received mine from Banggood. The shipping was free and the customer service was fast and polite.
Shottaz
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom414 Posts
December 09 2013 13:56 GMT
#6622
On December 05 2013 00:58 Shottaz wrote:
My Ducky DK2108 Zero with red Cherry keys just arrived. Going from rubber dome keys and being surrounded by cheap keyboards all my life it feels really nice.



Just going to sling a quick review on this keyboard here.

I paid £70 for the Ducky DK2109 Zero Mechanical Keyboard with Cherry MX Red keys. I'm coming up from a wireless bluetooth Logitech MX1000 mouse and keyboard combo, the mouse and keyboard have always been laggy, unresponsive and at worst locked keys down (for example, sometimes it would lock the build drone key down in SC2 lategame, making all my larvae into drones when I wanted roaches).

I decided I wanted a mech board even though I probably don't 'need' one, I never actually touched keys in the Cherry range but I evaluated what would be best for me and decided between black and red as I don't do much extreme typing and play a variety of FPS, RTS, RPG and other games.

The red keys need very little pressure to depress and sometimes when I rest on the WASD keys I sometimes strafe right of left without knowing, I think I will get used to it though. Overall, reds are great, I think blacks would also be good but I prefer a lighter touch when typing.

The touch of the key feels really quality, I didnt have access to touching the keys before so basically went on other peoples opinions but if you have never used a mech board, the keys feel awesome.

The DK2108 is a really basic board, only fancy elements are lights on the caps, numb, windows lock etc which is a nice touch, not a great deal else to say about it, if you want an mechanical keyboard but don't need backlight or anything I would definitely reccomend it.

If you need backlit look elsewhere, if you want a smart looking nice feeling board, go for it.
Praise the sun! \o/
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 09 2013 14:14 GMT
#6623
Anyone got any news on the Tastosis keyboard? Thought it would of been out by now
Last month they both were seen pictures of it and Tasteless even tweeted his. No news from the Tt Esports website though..hmmm
Looks like 2014 release? Even though they have been designing it since November 2012? xD
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
rusty23456
Profile Joined September 2009
United States112 Posts
December 11 2013 09:14 GMT
#6624
this is regarding FILCO vs CM STORM. I dont know if this was mentioned in previous 300 ++ pages in this thread. I have been hearing that they are similiar, difference is in cost and quality only. Well, this is a difference however it is more than that. Not saying one is better than the other.

Only thing better i would say in FILCO is the quality. Now to the point, "SWITCHES". There are differences in same color switches between the two. For example, FILCO brown switches vs CMStorm brown switches. Yes they are both brown and you would expect the same feel. However, this is the not case. I have had both and the switches (both brown) have a different feel to it. The CMstorm brown u can feel more of the bump. The FILCO brown less of the bump. This is more when bottoming out. the Filco brown and FILCO red i honestly dont feel much of a difference. The FILCO brown vs CMstorm brown i do feel a difference in the bump level. Both do not make clicky noises like blue however the bump requires a slightly bit more force with CM storm from what i feel. I have no idea why. I looked at the logo when taking out the keycaps of both keyboards and they have the same cherry logo and color but a different feel? Maybe at the bump level the bottom layout is built differently. Also I have tried the CM storm blue switches and they feel heavy. Fingers get tired. I will test with FILCO blue soon. I just feel that FILCO is one step lower force wise in their switches compared to CMStorm

For me

When comparing FILCO brown vs Cmstorm brown, i prefer the feel of the CM storm brown. With that said i really dont like the feel of CMStorm Blue because it feels heavy. What i would be looking for are blues with a little less force to them which maybe the FILCO blues. The brown CM storm feels almost perfect to me. just need a click sound with them. The FILCO brown feels too linear rather that tactile when brown is supposed to be tactile. The FILCO red is linear and does feel linear.FILCO brown vs FILCO red i notice just a very slight bump difference.
rusty23456
Profile Joined September 2009
United States112 Posts
December 11 2013 09:22 GMT
#6625
On December 09 2013 18:35 Firkraag8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2013 17:21 Homework wrote:
I'm about to get a Ducky Shine III YOTS with mx browns. Already have a blackwidow tournament with blues. Any advice? Good purchase / bad purchase?

I personally regretted going from blue to brown when my Filco died. They're not quiet and they're not that enjoyable to type/play on as Blues are imo.



Yes i understand. Brown filco feels too light. but CM storm brown is nice. You should try the CM storm Brown instead of Filco brown. CM storm blue feels too heavy. I would think that FILCO blue would be perfect.
rusty23456
Profile Joined September 2009
United States112 Posts
December 11 2013 09:38 GMT
#6626
switches

Obstacles : click and bump.

Blue = click and bump combo noise (loudest)
Brown = bump noise ( still loud same noise as blue without clicking sound )
Black (heavy feel) Red (light feel) = No bump or click. Just straight down no obstacles (least amount of noise)
Rangerstral
Profile Joined December 2013
Germany1 Post
December 11 2013 13:10 GMT
#6627
Hey,
pls help me to decide between those keyboards.
Unfortunately these are the only one I can get with MX Blue.

QPad MK-50 ~ 75€
Quickfire XT ~ 90€
Tesoro G1N ~ 75€
Ducky Zero ~ 105€
Ducky G2Pro ~ 165€

They are all Blue.
I don't need backlight, multimedia keys or fancy connections.
Just a solid plate-mounted board.
What would be the best buy?
kinsky
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany368 Posts
December 11 2013 14:04 GMT
#6628
qpad mk-50.
Loljke
Profile Joined January 2011
Ukraine246 Posts
December 11 2013 17:08 GMT
#6629
Guys I need some help plz.
I've bought Steelseries G6 V2 keyboard yesterday and it has Steelseries button next to Right control. Can i make this button work like old "Windows? button ? And also media keys doesnt work =\
o.o
kinsky
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany368 Posts
December 11 2013 18:33 GMT
#6630
On December 12 2013 02:08 Loljke wrote:
Guys I need some help plz.
I've bought Steelseries G6 V2 keyboard yesterday and it has Steelseries button next to Right control. Can i make this button work like old "Windows? button ? And also media keys doesnt work =\



no, you cant.

you have to press the "steelseries button" + the media keys.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
December 11 2013 18:40 GMT
#6631
On August 29 2011 03:44 slytown wrote:
Show nested quote +
mod edit: old thread here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184436



I'm selling four of my keyboards. Hop over to this link to check pricing. PM me here or on OCN if interested.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1429146/four-mechanical-keyboards-prices-starting-at-listed




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List of my keyboards: Ducky OCN Edition 9008 G2 (ABS, browns), Thermaltake Meka G1 (ABS, blacks), PFU Happy Hacking Professional 2 (PBT, Topre 45g uniform, "Otaku"), Rosewill RK9000 (ABS, blues), Unicomp Classic Model M (USB, Buckling Spring)

+ Show Spoiler +
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Guides:

*All source material is courtesy of the Overclock.net thread and corresponding mechanical keyboard sellers.

Overclock.net Mechanical Keyboard Guide: Link

Most information is provided in the link. Manyak and Tator Tot did a fantastic job explaining the different types of switches but some more can be added regarding RTS. Other sites have even copy-pasted Manyak's page. I will not do that out of respect for the work he put in.

A fellow TLer named Kronen is offering his O-ring pack from WASDkeyboards.com and dampeners via Elitekeyboards.com for people to test out. Here's his profile page; Feel free. Kronen's profile.

poeticEnnui's mod to his IBM F/AT (a restoration of a classic Model M) Link

Also consider the Deskthority.wiki Link, Reddit's mechanical keyboard page Link, and Ripster's Reddit page Link

Niche Stores:

+ Show Spoiler +
DeckKeyboards.com LED Backlit boards (Deck Legend and Deck 82) Link

EliteKeyboards.com (Leopold, Realforce, and PFU) Link

ClickyKeyboards.com (IBM Model Ms) Link

Codekeyboards.com (CODE brand, very small company) Link

DuckyChannelInternationalCo. (Ducky) Link

MechanicalKeyboards.com (Lots: from Ducky to Adesso to Das) Link

TheKeyboardCompany.com (Filco and Realforce) Link

PCHome.com.tw keyboards (Ducky, Taiwanese site w/ geekhack english guide) Link

PCkeyboard.com (Unicomp buckling spring keyboards) Link

qtan5370's E-Bay Market (Ducky, Filco, KBC, Keycool, Noppoo, Pulu, and HPE + custom keycaps to buy) Link

Tankguys.com (OCN Edition Duckys) Link

TechKeys.com (custom and artisan keycaps) Link

TigerImports.com (Ducky) Link

WASD fully customized keyboards and keycaps. Link


Common Questions:

+ Show Spoiler +
1. Which switch is best for RTS? A: It depends. Most experts will b-line you to MX Browns. They are fairly prevalent and give you good maneuverability, much like the MX Blues. MX Reds and MX Blacks are considered "gaming" switches; They double tap much easier since they are linear, sort of like a typewriter. MX Black switches are pretty stiff, but with a week or so of use, they become much easier to press. In the end, it all comes down to preference, but what MX Browns lack in double-tapping feel they make up for in typing pleasure.

2. How expensive are they and are they worth it? A: Mechanical keyboards come in a variety of styles, from tenkeyless to LED backlit to generic. Prices can range from $60 US to $400 US. The median price is around $100 US.

3. Are there other switches besides Cherry? A: Yes. There are several types of mechanical switches but the Cherry brand are the most prevalent.

4. Will a mechanical keyboard make me a better Starcraft player? A: No. I don't think you can say a mechanical keyboard will get you into GM, but it will make typing/gaming more pleasurable.

5. Why do people swear by mechanical switches? A: The feel. Choosing any mechanical switch over a rubber dome keyboard will most definitely make any typing experience better. It has to do with the way they activate and how much pressure is required. Rubber domes require you to bottom out, no matter what, which causes fatigue. Mechanical switches register before you hit the board with the key, taking the pressure off of your fingers and joints. Not everyone takes advantage of this ability and instead favor the double-tapping ability, click, etc. of mechanical switches, not to mention mechanical keyboards tend to be sturdier and built to last. Ask anyone who owns a mechanical keyboard whether they would go back to rubber domes and 99.9% will say NO.


Best value/quality boards:

+ Show Spoiler +
Value/Quality: MX Blue: Das Model S (Professional or Ultimate) - NATEROB009 places the Das keyboards at the top of the heap. Also, Destiny swears by this keyboard. As far as Razer's Blackwidow goes, it's known to have some faulty construction. Link

Value/Quality: MX Brown: Ducky 9008G2 ABS Keycaps - I have to say these are very well made and for $110 have the best value/quality of the MX Brown boards out there. Das also makes a MX brown version (Silent), but if you don't like the glossy finish, Ducky is a great way to go. Link

Value/Quality: MX Black: Thermaltake Meka G1 - Now available on Newegg and for a great price.Link

Value/Quality: MX Red: Leopold Linear Touch - Good quality and a great price for the well sought after Reds. Link

Value/Quality, Backlit: Deck (MX Black or MX Clear) Link or Ducky Shine (MX Red, Black, Blue, Brown) Link

Value over all: Coolermaster Quickfire Rapid TKL, MX Brown - Great board for RTS and AVAILABLE ON NEWEGG. Link

Quality over all: Ducky 9008G2 PBT Keycaps, MX Brown - You pay $30 more for one of the best built boards on the market. Link




Please make suggestions as to how this thread could be improved and I will gladly update it. Big thanks to Manyak, Tator Tot and Overclock.net for their support of Mechanical keyboards.


Why did you get special cable for your K701s? And does it make a difference in the sound?
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
December 11 2013 18:41 GMT
#6632
On December 11 2013 22:10 Rangerstral wrote:
Hey,
pls help me to decide between those keyboards.
Unfortunately these are the only one I can get with MX Blue.

QPad MK-50 ~ 75€
Quickfire XT ~ 90€
Tesoro G1N ~ 75€
Ducky Zero ~ 105€
Ducky G2Pro ~ 165€

They are all Blue.
I don't need backlight, multimedia keys or fancy connections.
Just a solid plate-mounted board.
What would be the best buy?

QPad MK-50 !
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 11 2013 19:33 GMT
#6633
On December 12 2013 03:40 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2011 03:44 slytown wrote:
mod edit: old thread here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184436



I'm selling four of my keyboards. Hop over to this link to check pricing. PM me here or on OCN if interested.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1429146/four-mechanical-keyboards-prices-starting-at-listed




[image loading] [image loading] [image loading]
[image loading]


List of my keyboards: Ducky OCN Edition 9008 G2 (ABS, browns), Thermaltake Meka G1 (ABS, blacks), PFU Happy Hacking Professional 2 (PBT, Topre 45g uniform, "Otaku"), Rosewill RK9000 (ABS, blues), Unicomp Classic Model M (USB, Buckling Spring)

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
[image loading][image loading]


Guides:

*All source material is courtesy of the Overclock.net thread and corresponding mechanical keyboard sellers.

Overclock.net Mechanical Keyboard Guide: Link

Most information is provided in the link. Manyak and Tator Tot did a fantastic job explaining the different types of switches but some more can be added regarding RTS. Other sites have even copy-pasted Manyak's page. I will not do that out of respect for the work he put in.

A fellow TLer named Kronen is offering his O-ring pack from WASDkeyboards.com and dampeners via Elitekeyboards.com for people to test out. Here's his profile page; Feel free. Kronen's profile.

poeticEnnui's mod to his IBM F/AT (a restoration of a classic Model M) Link

Also consider the Deskthority.wiki Link, Reddit's mechanical keyboard page Link, and Ripster's Reddit page Link

Niche Stores:

+ Show Spoiler +
DeckKeyboards.com LED Backlit boards (Deck Legend and Deck 82) Link

EliteKeyboards.com (Leopold, Realforce, and PFU) Link

ClickyKeyboards.com (IBM Model Ms) Link

Codekeyboards.com (CODE brand, very small company) Link

DuckyChannelInternationalCo. (Ducky) Link

MechanicalKeyboards.com (Lots: from Ducky to Adesso to Das) Link

TheKeyboardCompany.com (Filco and Realforce) Link

PCHome.com.tw keyboards (Ducky, Taiwanese site w/ geekhack english guide) Link

PCkeyboard.com (Unicomp buckling spring keyboards) Link

qtan5370's E-Bay Market (Ducky, Filco, KBC, Keycool, Noppoo, Pulu, and HPE + custom keycaps to buy) Link

Tankguys.com (OCN Edition Duckys) Link

TechKeys.com (custom and artisan keycaps) Link

TigerImports.com (Ducky) Link

WASD fully customized keyboards and keycaps. Link


Common Questions:

+ Show Spoiler +
1. Which switch is best for RTS? A: It depends. Most experts will b-line you to MX Browns. They are fairly prevalent and give you good maneuverability, much like the MX Blues. MX Reds and MX Blacks are considered "gaming" switches; They double tap much easier since they are linear, sort of like a typewriter. MX Black switches are pretty stiff, but with a week or so of use, they become much easier to press. In the end, it all comes down to preference, but what MX Browns lack in double-tapping feel they make up for in typing pleasure.

2. How expensive are they and are they worth it? A: Mechanical keyboards come in a variety of styles, from tenkeyless to LED backlit to generic. Prices can range from $60 US to $400 US. The median price is around $100 US.

3. Are there other switches besides Cherry? A: Yes. There are several types of mechanical switches but the Cherry brand are the most prevalent.

4. Will a mechanical keyboard make me a better Starcraft player? A: No. I don't think you can say a mechanical keyboard will get you into GM, but it will make typing/gaming more pleasurable.

5. Why do people swear by mechanical switches? A: The feel. Choosing any mechanical switch over a rubber dome keyboard will most definitely make any typing experience better. It has to do with the way they activate and how much pressure is required. Rubber domes require you to bottom out, no matter what, which causes fatigue. Mechanical switches register before you hit the board with the key, taking the pressure off of your fingers and joints. Not everyone takes advantage of this ability and instead favor the double-tapping ability, click, etc. of mechanical switches, not to mention mechanical keyboards tend to be sturdier and built to last. Ask anyone who owns a mechanical keyboard whether they would go back to rubber domes and 99.9% will say NO.


Best value/quality boards:

+ Show Spoiler +
Value/Quality: MX Blue: Das Model S (Professional or Ultimate) - NATEROB009 places the Das keyboards at the top of the heap. Also, Destiny swears by this keyboard. As far as Razer's Blackwidow goes, it's known to have some faulty construction. Link

Value/Quality: MX Brown: Ducky 9008G2 ABS Keycaps - I have to say these are very well made and for $110 have the best value/quality of the MX Brown boards out there. Das also makes a MX brown version (Silent), but if you don't like the glossy finish, Ducky is a great way to go. Link

Value/Quality: MX Black: Thermaltake Meka G1 - Now available on Newegg and for a great price.Link

Value/Quality: MX Red: Leopold Linear Touch - Good quality and a great price for the well sought after Reds. Link

Value/Quality, Backlit: Deck (MX Black or MX Clear) Link or Ducky Shine (MX Red, Black, Blue, Brown) Link

Value over all: Coolermaster Quickfire Rapid TKL, MX Brown - Great board for RTS and AVAILABLE ON NEWEGG. Link

Quality over all: Ducky 9008G2 PBT Keycaps, MX Brown - You pay $30 more for one of the best built boards on the market. Link




Please make suggestions as to how this thread could be improved and I will gladly update it. Big thanks to Manyak, Tator Tot and Overclock.net for their support of Mechanical keyboards.


Why did you get special cable for your K701s? And does it make a difference in the sound?

Not sure why I'm answering here for the OP, but those look like white version Q701s. The green cable is default.

And based on the physics, for delivering audio-frequency signals at typical headphone cord distances, no, there's not appreciable differences in sound unless you get something unusually bad or something that possibly picks up some interference somehow. Or say some really thin wire with non-negligible impedance, like for IEMs.


Also, I forgot to check back earlier, so thanks all who responded about PBT caps. However, I realized that my FC200 has odd stabilizer spacings on the spacebar despite the usual 6.25 units overall size, so... orz. Well, you can always get spacebars separately and from different sources.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
December 11 2013 20:52 GMT
#6634
On December 12 2013 04:33 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 03:40 c0ldfusion wrote:
On August 29 2011 03:44 slytown wrote:
mod edit: old thread here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184436



I'm selling four of my keyboards. Hop over to this link to check pricing. PM me here or on OCN if interested.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1429146/four-mechanical-keyboards-prices-starting-at-listed




[image loading] [image loading] [image loading]
[image loading]


List of my keyboards: Ducky OCN Edition 9008 G2 (ABS, browns), Thermaltake Meka G1 (ABS, blacks), PFU Happy Hacking Professional 2 (PBT, Topre 45g uniform, "Otaku"), Rosewill RK9000 (ABS, blues), Unicomp Classic Model M (USB, Buckling Spring)

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
[image loading][image loading]


Guides:

*All source material is courtesy of the Overclock.net thread and corresponding mechanical keyboard sellers.

Overclock.net Mechanical Keyboard Guide: Link

Most information is provided in the link. Manyak and Tator Tot did a fantastic job explaining the different types of switches but some more can be added regarding RTS. Other sites have even copy-pasted Manyak's page. I will not do that out of respect for the work he put in.

A fellow TLer named Kronen is offering his O-ring pack from WASDkeyboards.com and dampeners via Elitekeyboards.com for people to test out. Here's his profile page; Feel free. Kronen's profile.

poeticEnnui's mod to his IBM F/AT (a restoration of a classic Model M) Link

Also consider the Deskthority.wiki Link, Reddit's mechanical keyboard page Link, and Ripster's Reddit page Link

Niche Stores:

+ Show Spoiler +
DeckKeyboards.com LED Backlit boards (Deck Legend and Deck 82) Link

EliteKeyboards.com (Leopold, Realforce, and PFU) Link

ClickyKeyboards.com (IBM Model Ms) Link

Codekeyboards.com (CODE brand, very small company) Link

DuckyChannelInternationalCo. (Ducky) Link

MechanicalKeyboards.com (Lots: from Ducky to Adesso to Das) Link

TheKeyboardCompany.com (Filco and Realforce) Link

PCHome.com.tw keyboards (Ducky, Taiwanese site w/ geekhack english guide) Link

PCkeyboard.com (Unicomp buckling spring keyboards) Link

qtan5370's E-Bay Market (Ducky, Filco, KBC, Keycool, Noppoo, Pulu, and HPE + custom keycaps to buy) Link

Tankguys.com (OCN Edition Duckys) Link

TechKeys.com (custom and artisan keycaps) Link

TigerImports.com (Ducky) Link

WASD fully customized keyboards and keycaps. Link


Common Questions:

+ Show Spoiler +
1. Which switch is best for RTS? A: It depends. Most experts will b-line you to MX Browns. They are fairly prevalent and give you good maneuverability, much like the MX Blues. MX Reds and MX Blacks are considered "gaming" switches; They double tap much easier since they are linear, sort of like a typewriter. MX Black switches are pretty stiff, but with a week or so of use, they become much easier to press. In the end, it all comes down to preference, but what MX Browns lack in double-tapping feel they make up for in typing pleasure.

2. How expensive are they and are they worth it? A: Mechanical keyboards come in a variety of styles, from tenkeyless to LED backlit to generic. Prices can range from $60 US to $400 US. The median price is around $100 US.

3. Are there other switches besides Cherry? A: Yes. There are several types of mechanical switches but the Cherry brand are the most prevalent.

4. Will a mechanical keyboard make me a better Starcraft player? A: No. I don't think you can say a mechanical keyboard will get you into GM, but it will make typing/gaming more pleasurable.

5. Why do people swear by mechanical switches? A: The feel. Choosing any mechanical switch over a rubber dome keyboard will most definitely make any typing experience better. It has to do with the way they activate and how much pressure is required. Rubber domes require you to bottom out, no matter what, which causes fatigue. Mechanical switches register before you hit the board with the key, taking the pressure off of your fingers and joints. Not everyone takes advantage of this ability and instead favor the double-tapping ability, click, etc. of mechanical switches, not to mention mechanical keyboards tend to be sturdier and built to last. Ask anyone who owns a mechanical keyboard whether they would go back to rubber domes and 99.9% will say NO.


Best value/quality boards:

+ Show Spoiler +
Value/Quality: MX Blue: Das Model S (Professional or Ultimate) - NATEROB009 places the Das keyboards at the top of the heap. Also, Destiny swears by this keyboard. As far as Razer's Blackwidow goes, it's known to have some faulty construction. Link

Value/Quality: MX Brown: Ducky 9008G2 ABS Keycaps - I have to say these are very well made and for $110 have the best value/quality of the MX Brown boards out there. Das also makes a MX brown version (Silent), but if you don't like the glossy finish, Ducky is a great way to go. Link

Value/Quality: MX Black: Thermaltake Meka G1 - Now available on Newegg and for a great price.Link

Value/Quality: MX Red: Leopold Linear Touch - Good quality and a great price for the well sought after Reds. Link

Value/Quality, Backlit: Deck (MX Black or MX Clear) Link or Ducky Shine (MX Red, Black, Blue, Brown) Link

Value over all: Coolermaster Quickfire Rapid TKL, MX Brown - Great board for RTS and AVAILABLE ON NEWEGG. Link

Quality over all: Ducky 9008G2 PBT Keycaps, MX Brown - You pay $30 more for one of the best built boards on the market. Link




Please make suggestions as to how this thread could be improved and I will gladly update it. Big thanks to Manyak, Tator Tot and Overclock.net for their support of Mechanical keyboards.


Why did you get special cable for your K701s? And does it make a difference in the sound?

Not sure why I'm answering here for the OP, but those look like white version Q701s. The green cable is default.

And based on the physics, for delivering audio-frequency signals at typical headphone cord distances, no, there's not appreciable differences in sound unless you get something unusually bad or something that possibly picks up some interference somehow. Or say some really thin wire with non-negligible impedance, like for IEMs.


Also, I forgot to check back earlier, so thanks all who responded about PBT caps. However, I realized that my FC200 has odd stabilizer spacings on the spacebar despite the usual 6.25 units overall size, so... orz. Well, you can always get spacebars separately and from different sources.


Oh wow I had no idea they updated the K701/2 series. Thanks for the response.
[S9] taeZaKi
Profile Joined May 2012
50 Posts
December 13 2013 06:28 GMT
#6635
I just got some .4mm orings for my CM Storm QFTK Browns and wow, I like the shortness of the distance needed and I can definitely notice the weakness in sound.
slytown
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)1411 Posts
December 13 2013 07:39 GMT
#6636
On December 12 2013 05:52 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 04:33 Myrmidon wrote:
On December 12 2013 03:40 c0ldfusion wrote:
On August 29 2011 03:44 slytown wrote:
mod edit: old thread here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184436



I'm selling four of my keyboards. Hop over to this link to check pricing. PM me here or on OCN if interested.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1429146/four-mechanical-keyboards-prices-starting-at-listed




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List of my keyboards: Ducky OCN Edition 9008 G2 (ABS, browns), Thermaltake Meka G1 (ABS, blacks), PFU Happy Hacking Professional 2 (PBT, Topre 45g uniform, "Otaku"), Rosewill RK9000 (ABS, blues), Unicomp Classic Model M (USB, Buckling Spring)

+ Show Spoiler +
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Guides:

*All source material is courtesy of the Overclock.net thread and corresponding mechanical keyboard sellers.

Overclock.net Mechanical Keyboard Guide: Link

Most information is provided in the link. Manyak and Tator Tot did a fantastic job explaining the different types of switches but some more can be added regarding RTS. Other sites have even copy-pasted Manyak's page. I will not do that out of respect for the work he put in.

A fellow TLer named Kronen is offering his O-ring pack from WASDkeyboards.com and dampeners via Elitekeyboards.com for people to test out. Here's his profile page; Feel free. Kronen's profile.

poeticEnnui's mod to his IBM F/AT (a restoration of a classic Model M) Link

Also consider the Deskthority.wiki Link, Reddit's mechanical keyboard page Link, and Ripster's Reddit page Link

Niche Stores:

+ Show Spoiler +
DeckKeyboards.com LED Backlit boards (Deck Legend and Deck 82) Link

EliteKeyboards.com (Leopold, Realforce, and PFU) Link

ClickyKeyboards.com (IBM Model Ms) Link

Codekeyboards.com (CODE brand, very small company) Link

DuckyChannelInternationalCo. (Ducky) Link

MechanicalKeyboards.com (Lots: from Ducky to Adesso to Das) Link

TheKeyboardCompany.com (Filco and Realforce) Link

PCHome.com.tw keyboards (Ducky, Taiwanese site w/ geekhack english guide) Link

PCkeyboard.com (Unicomp buckling spring keyboards) Link

qtan5370's E-Bay Market (Ducky, Filco, KBC, Keycool, Noppoo, Pulu, and HPE + custom keycaps to buy) Link

Tankguys.com (OCN Edition Duckys) Link

TechKeys.com (custom and artisan keycaps) Link

TigerImports.com (Ducky) Link

WASD fully customized keyboards and keycaps. Link


Common Questions:

+ Show Spoiler +
1. Which switch is best for RTS? A: It depends. Most experts will b-line you to MX Browns. They are fairly prevalent and give you good maneuverability, much like the MX Blues. MX Reds and MX Blacks are considered "gaming" switches; They double tap much easier since they are linear, sort of like a typewriter. MX Black switches are pretty stiff, but with a week or so of use, they become much easier to press. In the end, it all comes down to preference, but what MX Browns lack in double-tapping feel they make up for in typing pleasure.

2. How expensive are they and are they worth it? A: Mechanical keyboards come in a variety of styles, from tenkeyless to LED backlit to generic. Prices can range from $60 US to $400 US. The median price is around $100 US.

3. Are there other switches besides Cherry? A: Yes. There are several types of mechanical switches but the Cherry brand are the most prevalent.

4. Will a mechanical keyboard make me a better Starcraft player? A: No. I don't think you can say a mechanical keyboard will get you into GM, but it will make typing/gaming more pleasurable.

5. Why do people swear by mechanical switches? A: The feel. Choosing any mechanical switch over a rubber dome keyboard will most definitely make any typing experience better. It has to do with the way they activate and how much pressure is required. Rubber domes require you to bottom out, no matter what, which causes fatigue. Mechanical switches register before you hit the board with the key, taking the pressure off of your fingers and joints. Not everyone takes advantage of this ability and instead favor the double-tapping ability, click, etc. of mechanical switches, not to mention mechanical keyboards tend to be sturdier and built to last. Ask anyone who owns a mechanical keyboard whether they would go back to rubber domes and 99.9% will say NO.


Best value/quality boards:

+ Show Spoiler +
Value/Quality: MX Blue: Das Model S (Professional or Ultimate) - NATEROB009 places the Das keyboards at the top of the heap. Also, Destiny swears by this keyboard. As far as Razer's Blackwidow goes, it's known to have some faulty construction. Link

Value/Quality: MX Brown: Ducky 9008G2 ABS Keycaps - I have to say these are very well made and for $110 have the best value/quality of the MX Brown boards out there. Das also makes a MX brown version (Silent), but if you don't like the glossy finish, Ducky is a great way to go. Link

Value/Quality: MX Black: Thermaltake Meka G1 - Now available on Newegg and for a great price.Link

Value/Quality: MX Red: Leopold Linear Touch - Good quality and a great price for the well sought after Reds. Link

Value/Quality, Backlit: Deck (MX Black or MX Clear) Link or Ducky Shine (MX Red, Black, Blue, Brown) Link

Value over all: Coolermaster Quickfire Rapid TKL, MX Brown - Great board for RTS and AVAILABLE ON NEWEGG. Link

Quality over all: Ducky 9008G2 PBT Keycaps, MX Brown - You pay $30 more for one of the best built boards on the market. Link




Please make suggestions as to how this thread could be improved and I will gladly update it. Big thanks to Manyak, Tator Tot and Overclock.net for their support of Mechanical keyboards.


Why did you get special cable for your K701s? And does it make a difference in the sound?

Not sure why I'm answering here for the OP, but those look like white version Q701s. The green cable is default.

And based on the physics, for delivering audio-frequency signals at typical headphone cord distances, no, there's not appreciable differences in sound unless you get something unusually bad or something that possibly picks up some interference somehow. Or say some really thin wire with non-negligible impedance, like for IEMs.


Also, I forgot to check back earlier, so thanks all who responded about PBT caps. However, I realized that my FC200 has odd stabilizer spacings on the spacebar despite the usual 6.25 units overall size, so... orz. Well, you can always get spacebars separately and from different sources.


Oh wow I had no idea they updated the K701/2 series. Thanks for the response.


Yes. Only a couple of years old the Quincy Jones series. No change in sound; Just a cosmetic update.
The best Flash meme ever: http://imgur.com/zquoK
DERPDERP
Profile Joined October 2010
Kyrgyzstan189 Posts
December 13 2013 11:37 GMT
#6637
On December 12 2013 03:40 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2011 03:44 slytown wrote:
mod edit: old thread here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184436



I'm selling four of my keyboards. Hop over to this link to check pricing. PM me here or on OCN if interested.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1429146/four-mechanical-keyboards-prices-starting-at-listed




[image loading] [image loading] [image loading]
[image loading]


List of my keyboards: Ducky OCN Edition 9008 G2 (ABS, browns), Thermaltake Meka G1 (ABS, blacks), PFU Happy Hacking Professional 2 (PBT, Topre 45g uniform, "Otaku"), Rosewill RK9000 (ABS, blues), Unicomp Classic Model M (USB, Buckling Spring)

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
[image loading][image loading]


Guides:

*All source material is courtesy of the Overclock.net thread and corresponding mechanical keyboard sellers.

Overclock.net Mechanical Keyboard Guide: Link

Most information is provided in the link. Manyak and Tator Tot did a fantastic job explaining the different types of switches but some more can be added regarding RTS. Other sites have even copy-pasted Manyak's page. I will not do that out of respect for the work he put in.

A fellow TLer named Kronen is offering his O-ring pack from WASDkeyboards.com and dampeners via Elitekeyboards.com for people to test out. Here's his profile page; Feel free. Kronen's profile.

poeticEnnui's mod to his IBM F/AT (a restoration of a classic Model M) Link

Also consider the Deskthority.wiki Link, Reddit's mechanical keyboard page Link, and Ripster's Reddit page Link

Niche Stores:

+ Show Spoiler +
DeckKeyboards.com LED Backlit boards (Deck Legend and Deck 82) Link

EliteKeyboards.com (Leopold, Realforce, and PFU) Link

ClickyKeyboards.com (IBM Model Ms) Link

Codekeyboards.com (CODE brand, very small company) Link

DuckyChannelInternationalCo. (Ducky) Link

MechanicalKeyboards.com (Lots: from Ducky to Adesso to Das) Link

TheKeyboardCompany.com (Filco and Realforce) Link

PCHome.com.tw keyboards (Ducky, Taiwanese site w/ geekhack english guide) Link

PCkeyboard.com (Unicomp buckling spring keyboards) Link

qtan5370's E-Bay Market (Ducky, Filco, KBC, Keycool, Noppoo, Pulu, and HPE + custom keycaps to buy) Link

Tankguys.com (OCN Edition Duckys) Link

TechKeys.com (custom and artisan keycaps) Link

TigerImports.com (Ducky) Link

WASD fully customized keyboards and keycaps. Link


Common Questions:

+ Show Spoiler +
1. Which switch is best for RTS? A: It depends. Most experts will b-line you to MX Browns. They are fairly prevalent and give you good maneuverability, much like the MX Blues. MX Reds and MX Blacks are considered "gaming" switches; They double tap much easier since they are linear, sort of like a typewriter. MX Black switches are pretty stiff, but with a week or so of use, they become much easier to press. In the end, it all comes down to preference, but what MX Browns lack in double-tapping feel they make up for in typing pleasure.

2. How expensive are they and are they worth it? A: Mechanical keyboards come in a variety of styles, from tenkeyless to LED backlit to generic. Prices can range from $60 US to $400 US. The median price is around $100 US.

3. Are there other switches besides Cherry? A: Yes. There are several types of mechanical switches but the Cherry brand are the most prevalent.

4. Will a mechanical keyboard make me a better Starcraft player? A: No. I don't think you can say a mechanical keyboard will get you into GM, but it will make typing/gaming more pleasurable.

5. Why do people swear by mechanical switches? A: The feel. Choosing any mechanical switch over a rubber dome keyboard will most definitely make any typing experience better. It has to do with the way they activate and how much pressure is required. Rubber domes require you to bottom out, no matter what, which causes fatigue. Mechanical switches register before you hit the board with the key, taking the pressure off of your fingers and joints. Not everyone takes advantage of this ability and instead favor the double-tapping ability, click, etc. of mechanical switches, not to mention mechanical keyboards tend to be sturdier and built to last. Ask anyone who owns a mechanical keyboard whether they would go back to rubber domes and 99.9% will say NO.


Best value/quality boards:

+ Show Spoiler +
Value/Quality: MX Blue: Das Model S (Professional or Ultimate) - NATEROB009 places the Das keyboards at the top of the heap. Also, Destiny swears by this keyboard. As far as Razer's Blackwidow goes, it's known to have some faulty construction. Link

Value/Quality: MX Brown: Ducky 9008G2 ABS Keycaps - I have to say these are very well made and for $110 have the best value/quality of the MX Brown boards out there. Das also makes a MX brown version (Silent), but if you don't like the glossy finish, Ducky is a great way to go. Link

Value/Quality: MX Black: Thermaltake Meka G1 - Now available on Newegg and for a great price.Link

Value/Quality: MX Red: Leopold Linear Touch - Good quality and a great price for the well sought after Reds. Link

Value/Quality, Backlit: Deck (MX Black or MX Clear) Link or Ducky Shine (MX Red, Black, Blue, Brown) Link

Value over all: Coolermaster Quickfire Rapid TKL, MX Brown - Great board for RTS and AVAILABLE ON NEWEGG. Link

Quality over all: Ducky 9008G2 PBT Keycaps, MX Brown - You pay $30 more for one of the best built boards on the market. Link




Please make suggestions as to how this thread could be improved and I will gladly update it. Big thanks to Manyak, Tator Tot and Overclock.net for their support of Mechanical keyboards.


Why did you get special cable for your K701s? And does it make a difference in the sound?


afaik the headphone cable doesn't affect sound quality much, it's the cable leaving your soundcard into amplifier that might have an effect (RCA cable?)
8)
Mackem
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom470 Posts
December 14 2013 01:06 GMT
#6638
Picked up a dirt cheap QFR in MX Reds because one of the keys is faulty. Just gonna whip out the soldering iron, solder in a new switch and all should be good. Reds feel amazing to type / game on. Think it might replace my browns as the daily driver but still keeping both ^_^
Do you need a pole? I ask because your logical leaps are becoming logical vaults and your mental gymnastics are Olympic standard.
kpierre150
Profile Joined June 2011
11 Posts
December 14 2013 20:15 GMT
#6639
Hey guys i'm in the market for a new mech keyboard. MX red this time, (i'll also consider browns). What do you guys think about the Gigabyte Aivia Osmium with mx reds? Anyone know what the stabilizers are for the spacebar? And what else would you guys reccomend? (mx red or brown with costar stabilizers)
DERPDERP
Profile Joined October 2010
Kyrgyzstan189 Posts
December 14 2013 23:12 GMT
#6640
On December 15 2013 05:15 kpierre150 wrote:
Hey guys i'm in the market for a new mech keyboard. MX red this time, (i'll also consider browns). What do you guys think about the Gigabyte Aivia Osmium with mx reds? Anyone know what the stabilizers are for the spacebar? And what else would you guys reccomend? (mx red or brown with costar stabilizers)


Most likely costar stabs but the spacebar is not universal size it looks it might be 6 units. All in all it looks like a piece of shit glowstick that is begging to be put down. I've found that the more spartan the design the better it tends to work, in which case you should go for QFR or filco depending on your budget.
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