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On May 03 2012 15:52 Brandisimo wrote:
Hello all, I am a master rank terran and I frequently watch lastshadows stream and he said that investing in a mechanical keyboard was a mistake as it weakens the tendens in your fingers and can lead to damage. Now I was thinking of buying a mechanical keyboard for gaming but if it is going to cause damage to the tendons in my fingers then I def dont want to buy one. So my question is, is he right? Does it cause damage? Or is he far off base?
Thank You!
I think its a problem with the switches that you have to press down more on (blacks?) A friend of my friend, who bought a keyboard with blacks got RSI (Repetitive Strain Injury) using his mechanical keyboard (with blacks) playing SC2. But beyond that I don't really know.
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On May 03 2012 15:52 Brandisimo wrote:
Hello all, I am a master rank terran and I frequently watch lastshadows stream and he said that investing in a mechanical keyboard was a mistake as it weakens the tendens in your fingers and can lead to damage. Now I was thinking of buying a mechanical keyboard for gaming but if it is going to cause damage to the tendons in my fingers then I def dont want to buy one. So my question is, is he right? Does it cause damage? Or is he far off base?
Thank You!
There are two reasons a mech board might damage your fingers (I stress 'might', as I doubt it would occur in most cases).
The first is the travel distance, cherry switches (the majority of mech boards) have 4mm between their normal position and bottoming out, but they actuate at about 2mm. When playing sc2 you tend to bottom out alot so you are moving about 4mm with each key. This is more than most normal rubber dome keyboards, so perhaps this could cause damage. Im not a finger specialist, so I don't know.
The other reason would be the force needed to push down the keys. A black switch keyboard is about 60g at actuatioon which is among the more heavy rubber dome keyboards, but the black switch does get more resistant the further you go down so at bottoming out, it could be at 80 (not sure on this).
So if you were used to a fairly light rubber dome keyboard, and you went and got a black switch mech board then it could be significantly heavier and higher travel so maybe it could cause damage.
BUT
You can get lighter switches, all cherry switches are lighter than blacks, reds are 45-60g, some keys on variable topres are even lighter.
You could also put o-rings onto your mech board to reduce the travel distance, maybe 1mm?
So to conclude, maybe a mech board could be more damaging to your fingers than a regular board. I doubt lastshadow is lying (why would he), but if you choose the right mech board for you I think it would be very unlikely for you to suffer damage to your fingers that would not have occured with a regular keyboard.
edit: out of interest do you know which mechanical keyboard lastshadow bought?
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On May 03 2012 16:24 Blaec wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 15:52 Brandisimo wrote:
Hello all, I am a master rank terran and I frequently watch lastshadows stream and he said that investing in a mechanical keyboard was a mistake as it weakens the tendens in your fingers and can lead to damage. Now I was thinking of buying a mechanical keyboard for gaming but if it is going to cause damage to the tendons in my fingers then I def dont want to buy one. So my question is, is he right? Does it cause damage? Or is he far off base?
Thank You! There are two reasons a mech board might damage your fingers (I stress 'might', as I doubt it would occur in most cases). The first is the travel distance, cherry switches (the majority of mech boards) have 4mm between their normal position and bottoming out, but they actuate at about 2mm. When playing sc2 you tend to bottom out alot so you are moving about 4mm with each key. This is more than most normal rubber dome keyboards, so perhaps this could cause damage. Im not a finger specialist, so I don't know. The other reason would be the force needed to push down the keys. A black switch keyboard is about 60g at actuatioon which is among the more heavy rubber dome keyboards, but the black switch does get more resistant the further you go down so at bottoming out, it could be at 80 (not sure on this). So if you were used to a fairly light rubber dome keyboard, and you went and got a black switch mech board then it could be significantly heavier and higher travel so maybe it could cause damage. BUT You can get lighter switches, all cherry switches are lighter than blacks, reds are 45-60g, some keys on variable topres are even lighter. You could also put o-rings onto your mech board to reduce the travel distance, maybe 1mm? So to conclude, maybe a mech board could be more damaging to your fingers than a regular board. I doubt lastshadow is lying (why would he), but if you choose the right mech board for you I think it would be very unlikely for you to suffer damage to your fingers that would not have occured with a regular keyboard. edit: out of interest do you know which mechanical keyboard lastshadow bought?
Um, he's far off base. I don't know what to else to say.
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On May 03 2012 17:22 slytown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 16:24 Blaec wrote:On May 03 2012 15:52 Brandisimo wrote:
Hello all, I am a master rank terran and I frequently watch lastshadows stream and he said that investing in a mechanical keyboard was a mistake as it weakens the tendens in your fingers and can lead to damage. Now I was thinking of buying a mechanical keyboard for gaming but if it is going to cause damage to the tendons in my fingers then I def dont want to buy one. So my question is, is he right? Does it cause damage? Or is he far off base?
Thank You! There are two reasons a mech board might damage your fingers (I stress 'might', as I doubt it would occur in most cases). The first is the travel distance, cherry switches (the majority of mech boards) have 4mm between their normal position and bottoming out, but they actuate at about 2mm. When playing sc2 you tend to bottom out alot so you are moving about 4mm with each key. This is more than most normal rubber dome keyboards, so perhaps this could cause damage. Im not a finger specialist, so I don't know. The other reason would be the force needed to push down the keys. A black switch keyboard is about 60g at actuatioon which is among the more heavy rubber dome keyboards, but the black switch does get more resistant the further you go down so at bottoming out, it could be at 80 (not sure on this). So if you were used to a fairly light rubber dome keyboard, and you went and got a black switch mech board then it could be significantly heavier and higher travel so maybe it could cause damage. BUT You can get lighter switches, all cherry switches are lighter than blacks, reds are 45-60g, some keys on variable topres are even lighter. You could also put o-rings onto your mech board to reduce the travel distance, maybe 1mm? So to conclude, maybe a mech board could be more damaging to your fingers than a regular board. I doubt lastshadow is lying (why would he), but if you choose the right mech board for you I think it would be very unlikely for you to suffer damage to your fingers that would not have occured with a regular keyboard. edit: out of interest do you know which mechanical keyboard lastshadow bought? Um, he's far off base. I don't know what to else to say.
Yeh, but best to say that with facts.
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you guys are scaring me as i just got blacks T_T
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On May 03 2012 17:59 JiYan wrote:
you guys are scaring me as i just got blacks T_T
Blacks are fine, you just need to tilt the keyboard in the direction that your fingers can hit the keys without much effort.
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On May 03 2012 17:59 JiYan wrote:
you guys are scaring me as i just got blacks T_T
dw, unless you have weak fingers you will be fine. Much of the pros sponsored by Steelseries use blacks and none of their fingers have fallen off.
That said, blacks aren't for everyone.
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On May 03 2012 19:02 Blaec wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 17:59 JiYan wrote:
you guys are scaring me as i just got blacks T_T dw, unless you have weak fingers you will be fine. Much of the pros sponsored by Steelseries use blacks and none of their fingers have fallen off. That said, blacks aren't for everyone.
Yeah, I wouldn't be too worried. Untill Lastshadow or someone provides any evidence at all, this feels a bit overdramatic.
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Have tried blacks again recently and they still feel incredibly stiff to me and made my fingers sore after just a few minutes .-. Especially my pinky fingers made me scared enough to stop typing. Maybe my fingers are weak ;s But even with strong fingers I believe that the less strain the better, after all you're going to be using it for a long time many hours a day... I guess that's why I use Topre Realforce as my primary keyboard but it's a bit iffy for most people
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On May 03 2012 19:49 Shikyo wrote:
Have tried blacks again recently and they still feel incredibly stiff to me and made my fingers sore after just a few minutes .-. Especially my pinky fingers made me scared enough to stop typing. Maybe my fingers are weak ;s But even with strong fingers I believe that the less strain the better, after all you're going to be using it for a long time many hours a day... I guess that's why I use Topre Realforce as my primary keyboard but it's a bit iffy for most people
I experienced the same with blacks. But I really do have kinda weak fingers, even tough I'm typing all day pretty much. But for the same reason I can't afford to use a keyboard that puts even more stress onto them and I'm not sure how long it would take to adapt, seeing that many people say that you stop noticing the difference after a while. I feel that another important factor is ergonomics. Unfortunately my desk is too tall and I can't do much to change it and I feel that this has a huge impact on how stiff the keys feel, having to type in a slighty awkward angle etc.
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So I have been using my Zowie Celeritas for about 2 months now and have really enjoyed it so far, even having to get used to the different feel of the spacebar. However, now after a few months of gaming my spacebar gets stuck in the down position and generally just works like shit (adds extra space, gets stuck in the down position, ect). I play FPS games like CS as well and it is very noticeable in this types of games (i'l hit space and nothing will happen or it will try to spam jump). I really dont want to have to RMA this keyboard so I am trying to figure out a way to stop the spacebar from getting stuck (no i have never spill anything, slammed it, ect). Any suggestions?
Edit: Sent an RMA request to have Zowie send me a new spacebar, will see if they send me one that isnt terrible.
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I personally feel that blacks are just fine. I've tried reds before and they r just too light for me so I chose black keys over reds. I also have a blues keyboard so I can change back and forth depending on my mood.... im used to both kinds of switches by now.
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oo, being used to both blues and blacks seem like a difficult thing to accomplish ahah
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I tried blacks and blues and altough I prefer blues for typing, I feel more confortable playing StarCraft with blacks.
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hey guys im looking for a mechanical keyboard price around £50~£75
this will be my first mechanical keyboard and i have no idea where to start  , looking at the op post all the stores are from us, if someone can direct me to a website that sell keyboard in uk/eu would be much appreciated
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Got my WASD keyboard today!! It's got brown switches and I loooove it!!
Sorry the quality of the picture... it doesn't do the keyboard justice. I might post a better image later.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jWzLv.jpg)
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LoL im by no means a huge guy, i have pretty slender fingers, and i dont get how you guys think black keys are so hard to press down. I mean honestly ive used bucling springs my whole life, and i jsut got some blacks, and they are fantastic for typing, i get ZERO fatigue........
haters gonna hate !
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On May 04 2012 08:11 gEzUS wrote:
LoL im by no means a huge guy, i have pretty slender fingers, and i dont get how you guys think black keys are so hard to press down. I mean honestly ive used bucling springs my whole life, and i jsut got some blacks, and they are fantastic for typing, i get ZERO fatigue........
haters gonna hate !
You seriously prefer blacks over bucklings for typing? O_O
The thing is I used to have wrist issues and I'm really afraid of carpal tunnel and similiar conditions. I also think buckling spring has 20 times better feel than blacks
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On May 04 2012 08:11 gEzUS wrote:
LoL im by no means a huge guy, i have pretty slender fingers, and i dont get how you guys think black keys are so hard to press down. I mean honestly ive used bucling springs my whole life, and i jsut got some blacks, and they are fantastic for typing, i get ZERO fatigue........
haters gonna hate !
Dido. Blacks for life. I need to get on some buckling springs though. One of these days I'll shoot for a Unicomp probably.
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On May 04 2012 07:39 .Wilsh. wrote:Got my WASD keyboard today!! It's got brown switches and I loooove it!! Sorry the quality of the picture... it doesn't do the keyboard justice. I might post a better image later.
Great design, the centralised letters look amazing.
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