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On April 19 2012 19:22 Heouf wrote:
Ive seen the blackwidow ulitimate of Razor and felt it. I cant understand why people like it. I feels weird. A Zowie or Das keyboard looks more sturdy and better made. But this is just a personal thing.
And I like cherry brown!
I have the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate atm and i like it.
As you said it's a personal thing. But also it might be that when people find out more about mechanical keyboards and read about them and realize that there's keyboards out there like Filco or Das for example wich are much better, then people automatically downgrade the Blackwidow just because of that.
But that doesn't make the Blackwidow a worse keyboard. I've loved it from the start and the fact that there's higher quality brands out there didn't change my feelings about it at all.
When i get a Filco i will ofcourse mostly use the Filco but i will swap sometimes and use my Blackwidow Ultimate aswell. It's actually sturdy and i've had no problems with the quality.
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On April 19 2012 19:22 Heouf wrote:
Ive seen the blackwidow ulitimate of Razor and felt it. I cant understand why people like it. I feels weird. A Zowie or Das keyboard looks more sturdy and better made. But this is just a personal thing.
And I like cherry brown!
I honestly don't get why people like it either. A lot of people get the BWU because it's from Razer. The thing is the BWU isn't really THAT bad of a keyboard as long as it works fine. But the thing is, there have been a lot of cases where problems come up with the BWU, and the cost of it omg. The quality you get on the BWU for the price you pay is just ridiculous. So bad. You can get a better quality keyboard for the price you pay for a BWU. Even their membrane keyboards are way overpriced for the quality they provide. But then how are they able to do this? Because they're Razer.
Their mice, on the other hand, are pretty nice though. I like their mice but their keyboards are too overpriced for the quality they put into it.
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On April 19 2012 20:03 exousia_7 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 19:22 Heouf wrote:
Ive seen the blackwidow ulitimate of Razor and felt it. I cant understand why people like it. I feels weird. A Zowie or Das keyboard looks more sturdy and better made. But this is just a personal thing.
And I like cherry brown! I honestly don't get why people like it either. A lot of people get the BWU because it's from Razer. The thing is the BWU isn't really THAT bad of a keyboard as long as it works fine. But the thing is, there have been a lot of cases where problems come up with the BWU, and the cost of it omg. The quality you get on the BWU for the price you pay is just ridiculous. So bad. You can get a better quality keyboard for the price you pay for a BWU. Even their membrane keyboards are way overpriced for the quality they provide. But then how are they able to do this? Because they're Razer. Their mice, on the other hand, are pretty nice though. I like their mice but their keyboards are too overpriced for the quality they put into it.
Yeah it's true it is expensive. But it was my first mechanical keyboard and i didn't know that much about mechanical keyboards when i bought it.
Haven't had any problem with it though other than not being able to update it to the latest firmware. But i don't need that anyway.
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On April 19 2012 20:22 Waterflow wrote:
Yeah it's true it is expensive. But it was my first mechanical keyboard and i didn't know that much about mechanical keyboards when i bought it.
Haven't had any problem with it though other than not being able to update it to the latest firmware. But i don't need that anyway.
Yeah I understand. I didn't know anything back then, and I would've gotten a BW also. I was fortunate to meet someone who's an expert on keyboards. Her store has all kinds of gaming gadgets, and all kinds of keyboard except for Razer. When I first went there I asked her why she didn't have any Razer keyboards (except for an Arcotsa)? And she basically said the things I mentioned in my earlier post. In the end I went with a Cherry keyboard with MX blue switches and later I got a CM Storm QFR with black switch. I love them both.
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Because the majority of consumers are just mindless individuals who bye whatever is advertised.
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On April 19 2012 21:08 skyR wrote:
Because the majority of consumers are just mindless individuals who bye whatever is advertised.
But that's often the case when you are buying a product of a certain range for the first time. When you don't know much about it and don't know where to turn for help then you just go for a certain shop you like and see what they got.
In my case the favourite shop i buy stuff from only has gaming branded keyboards. So my choice was basically between Steelseries and Razer. I ended up choosing Razer.
Ofcourse i could of googled more and found out more about mechanical keyboards but i guess i just fell for the Blackwidow Ultimate wich made me not even think about finding out more about other keyboards.
But i have no regrets since i really like it. Im glad i bought it.
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On April 19 2012 20:39 exousia_7 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 20:22 Waterflow wrote:
Yeah it's true it is expensive. But it was my first mechanical keyboard and i didn't know that much about mechanical keyboards when i bought it.
Haven't had any problem with it though other than not being able to update it to the latest firmware. But i don't need that anyway. Yeah I understand. I didn't know anything back then, and I would've gotten a BW also. I was fortunate to meet someone who's an expert on keyboards. Her store has all kinds of gaming gadgets, and all kinds of keyboard except for Razer. When I first went there I asked her why she didn't have any Razer keyboards (except for an Arcotsa)? And she basically said the things I mentioned in my earlier post. In the end I went with a Cherry keyboard with MX blue switches and later I got a CM Storm QFR with black switch. I love them both.
http://www.inwarehouse.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=745097&cks=ASS&assoc=E6A9658B-577B-4238-8A03-39D3E33C33C7
Is it that one? It costs something like $103 in Sweden.
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I've used three mechanical keyboards so far: The SteelSeries G6V2 (black switches), the Razer BWU (blue switches) and the DAS Keyboard Ultimate Silent (Brown switches).
The BWU, at least IME, was just terrible. Poorly built, the keyboard construction seems kind of flimsy, ALT key and space touch eachother (known issue, Razer still doesn't give a fuck about it) and also blue switches are INCREDIBLY noisy and sensitive, making it that much easier to touble-tap a key by accident. Still, having two USB ports and the audio ports at the keyboard are a plus.
The SteelSeries G6V2 is a really good keyboard. Black switches are quiet, all around well put together; the only problem is the keycap quality. I busted 2 keys (4 and s - i play Zerg, LOL) on the "+" connection piece, both of them. Replaced them but still, that should totally not happen. Also, there's no USB HUB on the keyboard and no audio ports. It is the cheapest of them all, and quality/price-wise, it's a good choice.
The DAS is a wonderful keyboard. Brown switches are the quietest of them all, feeling very good when you type, not needing to put a lot of force into taping a key; keycaps are solid and the keyboard itself looks really good. It has a couple USB ports but no audio jacks. Also a bit pricier than the others.
I'm now using the DAS and I'm really, really happy with it. Out of the three I'd recomend the DAS, no question about it.
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So I now work at a recycling center and as such I'm able to get things no one wants such as keyboards for pretty cheap.
I now got this keyboard:
http://www.cherrycorp.com/english/keyboards/Industrial/4100/index.htm
The PP model to be specific. Really interesting slim mech keys.
I also got some old, bulky and heavy IBM keyboard from the time before windows keys. The switches feel relatively heavy to me. The keys are mechanical, rather smooth and at the end there's a very distinct, relatively loud *click* and I can also feel and hear a "reverse click" when I let the key up again. Anyone have any clue about what the switches might be? It's from year 1990 if that helps at all.
I got these keyboards for 1 euro total. Anyone know what they might actually be worth?
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Yes, except mine is with Chinese characters (I live in Taiwan). I bought it for around $70. Are keyboards and tech stuff in general more expensive in Sweden?
On April 19 2012 22:03 Shikyo wrote:So I now work at a recycling center and as such I'm able to get things no one wants such as keyboards for pretty cheap. I now got this keyboard: http://www.cherrycorp.com/english/keyboards/Industrial/4100/index.htm The PP model to be specific. Really interesting slim mech keys. I also got some old, bulky and heavy IBM keyboard from the time before windows keys. The switches feel relatively heavy to me. The keys are mechanical, rather smooth and at the end there's a very distinct, relatively loud *click* and I can also feel and hear a "reverse click" when I let the key up again. Anyone have any clue about what the switches might be? It's from year 1990 if that helps at all. I got these keyboards for 1 euro total. Anyone know what they might actually be worth?
Wow mech keyboard with slim keys. Sounds pretty cool. Could the IBM keyboard you got happen to be Model M?? If it is it is with a buckling spring mechanism instead of a Cherry MX switch. I've never used them before and I have no idea how it works......
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Well I just spent about 5 minutes air-typing on the IBM keyboard and it feels absolutely wonderful to me
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On April 19 2012 22:03 Shikyo wrote:So I now work at a recycling center and as such I'm able to get things no one wants such as keyboards for pretty cheap. I now got this keyboard: http://www.cherrycorp.com/english/keyboards/Industrial/4100/index.htm The PP model to be specific. Really interesting slim mech keys. I also got some old, bulky and heavy IBM keyboard from the time before windows keys. The switches feel relatively heavy to me. The keys are mechanical, rather smooth and at the end there's a very distinct, relatively loud *click* and I can also feel and hear a "reverse click" when I let the key up again. Anyone have any clue about what the switches might be? It's from year 1990 if that helps at all. I got these keyboards for 1 euro total. Anyone know what they might actually be worth?
I would say its a Model M or something like it (im no model M expert), so buckling spring switch. Grats, you have the grandaddy of mechanical keyboards.
If its in good condition clean it up and keep it.
edit: Its worth a decent amount (a guy was selling them for $70 here, but I think thats overpriced) if in acceptable condition, even more if its a rare model
What are the switches on the ultraslim?
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On April 19 2012 22:17 Blaec wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 22:03 Shikyo wrote:So I now work at a recycling center and as such I'm able to get things no one wants such as keyboards for pretty cheap. I now got this keyboard: http://www.cherrycorp.com/english/keyboards/Industrial/4100/index.htm The PP model to be specific. Really interesting slim mech keys. I also got some old, bulky and heavy IBM keyboard from the time before windows keys. The switches feel relatively heavy to me. The keys are mechanical, rather smooth and at the end there's a very distinct, relatively loud *click* and I can also feel and hear a "reverse click" when I let the key up again. Anyone have any clue about what the switches might be? It's from year 1990 if that helps at all. I got these keyboards for 1 euro total. Anyone know what they might actually be worth? I would say its a Model M or something like it (im no model M expert), so buckling spring switch. Grats, you have the grandaddy of mechanical keyboards. If its in good condition clean it up and keep it. edit: Its worth a decent amount (a guy was selling them for $70 here, but I think thats overpriced) if in acceptable condition, even more if its a rare model What are the switches on the ultraslim?
The numpad 0 is broken, otherwise all the keys feel wonderful. The past user swapped some keys around so the keyboard makes no sense at all (swapped 9 and Delete and all the F-keys are fucked up) and it's rather dirty, but still it feels wonderful and I dont think those things matter after I clean it a little, no idea how to take the keycaps off safely, though. For a 22 year old keyboard I'm literally amazed by how good all the keys feel.
As for the slim keyboard switches, well it says they're cherry MLs, I have no idea about those... feels relatively light and rather linear to me but I cannot say for sure. It's quite dirty as well. I think I should take all the keys off and clean them thoroughly but i'm not sure how to go about that -.-
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On April 19 2012 22:22 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 22:17 Blaec wrote:On April 19 2012 22:03 Shikyo wrote:So I now work at a recycling center and as such I'm able to get things no one wants such as keyboards for pretty cheap. I now got this keyboard: http://www.cherrycorp.com/english/keyboards/Industrial/4100/index.htm The PP model to be specific. Really interesting slim mech keys. I also got some old, bulky and heavy IBM keyboard from the time before windows keys. The switches feel relatively heavy to me. The keys are mechanical, rather smooth and at the end there's a very distinct, relatively loud *click* and I can also feel and hear a "reverse click" when I let the key up again. Anyone have any clue about what the switches might be? It's from year 1990 if that helps at all. I got these keyboards for 1 euro total. Anyone know what they might actually be worth? I would say its a Model M or something like it (im no model M expert), so buckling spring switch. Grats, you have the grandaddy of mechanical keyboards. If its in good condition clean it up and keep it. edit: Its worth a decent amount (a guy was selling them for $70 here, but I think thats overpriced) if in acceptable condition, even more if its a rare model What are the switches on the ultraslim? The numpad 0 is broken, otherwise all the keys feel wonderful. The past user swapped some keys around so the keyboard makes no sense at all (swapped 9 and Delete and all the F-keys are fucked up) and it's rather dirty, but still it feels wonderful and I dont think those things matter after I clean it a little, no idea how to take the keycaps off safely, though. For a 22 year old keyboard I'm literally amazed by how good all the keys feel. As for the slim keyboard switches, well it says they're cherry MLs, I have no idea about those... feels relatively light and rather linear to me but I cannot say for sure. It's quite dirty as well. I think I should take all the keys off and clean them thoroughly but i'm not sure how to go about that -.-
Hopefully this guide helps cleaning the Model M.
Interesting, just read abit about the MLs. I think you can pull the caps off just like normal cherry switches.
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Hi, folks.
I've been wanting to get a mechanical keyboard for a very long time and I'm close to a final decision, but I am still a bit unsure (I usually take my time to make decisions like these.) Just wondering if anyone has anything to say to help me finalize.
I went to a Fry's a few weeks ago and was able to actually try out some switch types for the first and only time in my life (no other store in the area that I've been to even carries mech kbs). So, after only one brief 10-minute session of playing around with their display models, I'm thinking that I like Cherry MX Blues. I think they only had Blacks, Reds, and Blues available on display; don't think they had any Browns. In any case, I'm just gonna go with Blues 'cause I definitely want the tactile feel and I think I like the sound.
Anyway, what I'm most undecided on is the backlighting. I'm not sure if I actually want it or not. I've been back and forth on this issue for a long time. On one hand, I feel like if I'm going to bite the bullet and spend $100+ on a keyboard, I might as well get all the bells and whistles, right? Currently, I've got my eye on the Ducky Shine w/ green LED backlighting -- very cool looking.
But on the other hand, it seems like it's kind of a flashy gimmick that I may never need. I'm assuming getting a backlit keyboard precludes the possibility of ever getting custom keycaps from WASD?
Maybe I should spend a bit less on my first ever mechanical keyboard and make sure that I actually like the switch type. It could be a $30 to 50$ difference in price if I go with another non-backlit keyboard instead.
So does anyone have any experience with Ducky Shines? Does it have the same type of switch is under the spacebar, shifts, and enters? Does the lettering on the keycaps wear out quickly? (Nvm, it's laser engraved, so should be a nonissue.) Does the ABS plastic 'shine' look bad at all?
In general, how easy are mechanical keyboards to clean? With my current rubber dome, I would take the whole thing apart and actually submerge all non-electrical parts in water before going at it with an old toothbrush. Would I only be able to clean just the keycaps this way with a mech? Does a backlit keyboard make a difference in cleaning? How difficult is it to remove keycaps w/o a special key puller?
Thanks for any help.
Current top choice:
Ducky Shine DK9008S - Green LED Mechanical Keyboard (Blue Cherry MX)
$142 + $9 shipping
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On April 19 2012 23:27 jetburger wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hi, folks. I've been wanting to get a mechanical keyboard for a very long time and I'm close to a final decision, but I am still a bit unsure (I usually take my time to make decisions like these.) Just wondering if anyone has anything to say to help me finalize. I went to a Fry's a few weeks ago and was able to actually try out some switch types for the first and only time in my life (no other store in the area that I've been to even carries mech kbs). So, after only one brief 10-minute session of playing around with their display models, I'm thinking that I like Cherry MX Blues. I think they only had Blacks, Reds, and Blues available on display; don't think they had any Browns. In any case, I'm just gonna go with Blues 'cause I definitely want the tactile feel and I think I like the sound. Anyway, what I'm most undecided on is the backlighting. I'm not sure if I actually want it or not. I've been back and forth on this issue for a long time. On one hand, I feel like if I'm going to bite the bullet and spend $100+ on a keyboard, I might as well get all the bells and whistles, right? Currently, I've got my eye on the Ducky Shine w/ green LED backlighting -- very cool looking. But on the other hand, it seems like it's kind of a flashy gimmick that I may never need. I'm assuming getting a backlit keyboard precludes the possibility of ever getting custom keycaps from WASD? Maybe I should spend a bit less on my first ever mechanical keyboard and make sure that I actually like the switch type. It could be a $30 to 50$ difference in price if I go with another non-backlit keyboard instead. So does anyone have any experience with Ducky Shines? Does it have the same type of switch is under the spacebar, shifts, and enters? Does the lettering on the keycaps wear out quickly? (Nvm, it's laser engraved, so should be a nonissue.) Does the ABS plastic 'shine' look bad at all? In general, how easy are mechanical keyboards to clean? With my current rubber dome, I would take the whole thing apart and actually submerge all non-electrical parts in water before going at it with an old toothbrush. Would I only be able to clean just the keycaps this way with a mech? Does a backlit keyboard make a difference in cleaning? How difficult is it to remove keycaps w/o a special key puller? Thanks for any help. Current top choice: Ducky Shine DK9008S - Green LED Mechanical Keyboard (Blue Cherry MX)$142 + $9 shipping
Pretty good choice. I have a friend with a Ducky 9008S with cherry MX red switches and red LED. So far he is pretty satisfied with it and I think the build quality is really good. LED backlights are a plus for some and a down for others. I personally think they're cool and awesome but it becomes an eye-sore if used for a long period of time. The shine quality is REALLY good on the DK9008S with 5 different lighting levels. At max it's freaking bright. No joke.
Mech keyboards aren't hard to clean but it is sort of a hassle. You have to remove all the keys and wash them. I have another friend who takes the keycaps off, throws into a laundry bag and uses the washing machine. I wouldn't go to such extremes but I would probably do something similar like put into water into a bucket or water or something. As for the keyboard itself I use a brush to brush off dust every now and then.
Keycap pullers are really easy to use. You could take the keycaps off with your hands if you can get a firm grip and pull them off one by one. But honestly just use the keycap puller. Its so easy to use and it'll make your life easier.
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[QUOTE]On April 19 2012 22:12 exousia_7 wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 19 2012 21:28 Waterflow wrote:
[url=http://www.inwarehouse.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=745097&cks=ASS&assoc=E6A9658B-577B-4238-8A03-39D3E33C33C7]http://www.inwarehouse.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=745097&cks=ASS&assoc=E6A9658B-577B-4238-8A03-39D3E33C33C7[/url]
Is it that one? It costs something like $103 in Sweden.[/QUOTE]
Yes, except mine is with Chinese characters (I live in Taiwan). I bought it for around $70. Are keyboards and tech stuff in general more expensive in Sweden?
I guess. But can't compare with Taiwan really since it's like the mecca of cheap hardware.
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On April 19 2012 23:27 jetburger wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hi, folks. I've been wanting to get a mechanical keyboard for a very long time and I'm close to a final decision, but I am still a bit unsure (I usually take my time to make decisions like these.) Just wondering if anyone has anything to say to help me finalize. I went to a Fry's a few weeks ago and was able to actually try out some switch types for the first and only time in my life (no other store in the area that I've been to even carries mech kbs). So, after only one brief 10-minute session of playing around with their display models, I'm thinking that I like Cherry MX Blues. I think they only had Blacks, Reds, and Blues available on display; don't think they had any Browns. In any case, I'm just gonna go with Blues 'cause I definitely want the tactile feel and I think I like the sound. Anyway, what I'm most undecided on is the backlighting. I'm not sure if I actually want it or not. I've been back and forth on this issue for a long time. On one hand, I feel like if I'm going to bite the bullet and spend $100+ on a keyboard, I might as well get all the bells and whistles, right? Currently, I've got my eye on the Ducky Shine w/ green LED backlighting -- very cool looking. But on the other hand, it seems like it's kind of a flashy gimmick that I may never need. I'm assuming getting a backlit keyboard precludes the possibility of ever getting custom keycaps from WASD? Maybe I should spend a bit less on my first ever mechanical keyboard and make sure that I actually like the switch type. It could be a $30 to 50$ difference in price if I go with another non-backlit keyboard instead. So does anyone have any experience with Ducky Shines? Does it have the same type of switch is under the spacebar, shifts, and enters? Does the lettering on the keycaps wear out quickly? (Nvm, it's laser engraved, so should be a nonissue.) Does the ABS plastic 'shine' look bad at all? In general, how easy are mechanical keyboards to clean? With my current rubber dome, I would take the whole thing apart and actually submerge all non-electrical parts in water before going at it with an old toothbrush. Would I only be able to clean just the keycaps this way with a mech? Does a backlit keyboard make a difference in cleaning? How difficult is it to remove keycaps w/o a special key puller? Thanks for any help. Current top choice: Ducky Shine DK9008S - Green LED Mechanical Keyboard (Blue Cherry MX)$142 + $9 shipping
You can get custom keycaps, but the only light you see will be light leaking out of the bottom/ inbetween the keys (if that makes sense).
Space bar in the ducky is heavier than other keys (pretty sure about this).
Yeh you can clean the caps with water, the rest you don't want to get too wet. Just brush the dust/hair out and spot clean. Keys are easy to remove if you are careful, easier with a dedicated puller but a paper clip or some floss can do just as well.
My filco is getting a little shiny, but you cant see it (may be due to the pink keys) you can just feel it. And it doesn't feel very good. Im waiting on WASD to get some PBT in to replace it.
If you want backlit, then get it. Its expensive, but whatever this keyboard is going to last for ages, make sure its something you want. And tbh you are dropping ~$100 on a keyboard, if you wanted to be efficient money wise you would use a decent $5 membrane board.
Think I got all the questions I can answer. Ask away if you have any more.
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Thanks for the input, exousia_7 and Blaec.
I was just asking about removing keyscaps w/o the puller because I was wondering if I actually needed to buy it or not. Yeah, that's kind of what I figured regarding custom keycaps and backlit keyboards....unless WASD can actually cut custom-shaped holes in the keycaps for LED backlighting....??? Wishful thinking.
If you want backlit, then get it. Its expensive, but whatever this keyboard is going to last for ages, make sure its something you want. And tbh you are dropping ~$100 on a keyboard, if you wanted to be efficient money wise you would use a decent $5 membrane board.
Your logic is sound. MIght as well get all the bells and whistles.
Pretty good choice. I have a friend with a Ducky 9008S with cherry MX red switches and red LED. So far he is pretty satisfied with it and I think the build quality is really good. LED backlights are a plus for some and a down for others. I personally think they're cool and awesome but it becomes an eye-sore if used for a long period of time. The shine quality is REALLY good on the DK9008S with 5 different lighting levels. At max it's freaking bright. No joke.
Alright, I'm convinced! Let's do it!!
(Actually, I will probably wait 1 or 2 days before placing my order. That's my personal anti-impulse-buy mechanism.)
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On April 19 2012 20:03 exousia_7 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 19:22 Heouf wrote:
Ive seen the blackwidow ulitimate of Razor and felt it. I cant understand why people like it. I feels weird. A Zowie or Das keyboard looks more sturdy and better made. But this is just a personal thing.
And I like cherry brown! I honestly don't get why people like it either. A lot of people get the BWU because it's from Razer. The thing is the BWU isn't really THAT bad of a keyboard as long as it works fine. But the thing is, there have been a lot of cases where problems come up with the BWU, and the cost of it omg. The quality you get on the BWU for the price you pay is just ridiculous. So bad. You can get a better quality keyboard for the price you pay for a BWU. Even their membrane keyboards are way overpriced for the quality they provide. But then how are they able to do this? Because they're Razer. Their mice, on the other hand, are pretty nice though. I like their mice but their keyboards are too overpriced for the quality they put into it.
The regular BW (not BWU) is ~70 bucks, which, as far as I can tell, the cheapest mech keyboard you can find. I'm not exactly sure what the diff. is between the BWU and the BW, but I like my BW fine esp. for its price. If I were looking to go over 100, I'd get a Filco, Rosewill, or QFR, but under 100, I would say BW does its job and does it well so long as you're careful with it and clean it every few days. (omg the gloss hahaha)
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