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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
May 09 2013 16:53 GMT
#6501
At stock? It's very very hard to compare, conditions vary so wildly. A moderate overclock can get you another 40-45% though

What's your current CPU, and i can give some comparison numbers

You don't need a 7870 to max sc2, it will only increase your framerates early game when they are nowhere near their worst. Don't buy over a 7770 unless it's for other games

Haswell is looking ~8-9% better at stock, overclock performance nobody that can say anything about it has any real idea
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-09 22:33:43
May 09 2013 18:28 GMT
#6502
Edit: nvm
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DnCL
Profile Joined May 2013
86 Posts
May 09 2013 20:39 GMT
#6503
On May 10 2013 00:56 skyR wrote:
Unfortunately, I don't think there is a way - at least not for chrome. Though if you have local storage enabled for flash, the volume on flash videos should remain constant throughout websites (eg. Twitch and Youtube).


Yeah the problem is not that I have to change the volume locally for each site (it's always at max on youtube for example.) What I'd like to be easier is that when I change sites, I have to go into window's sound mixer to change the balance between chrome and other applications because otherwise my neighboors become deaf.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-09 22:36:37
May 09 2013 22:35 GMT
#6504
Does anyone actually know what this ASUS RMA gibberish means? Google doesn't even seem to know.

[image loading]

What is a "sub-ship" and how does it fit into
"Product Received > (Waiting) > Repairing > Final Testing > Packing > Ready for Shipping > Repair Finished"

Best guess is something to do with the repair center getting shipped something. I also had a WAITEX before this for 3 days, which would seemingly overlap (i.e. no difference).
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 09 2013 22:51 GMT
#6505
On May 10 2013 05:39 DnCL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 00:56 skyR wrote:
Unfortunately, I don't think there is a way - at least not for chrome. Though if you have local storage enabled for flash, the volume on flash videos should remain constant throughout websites (eg. Twitch and Youtube).


Yeah the problem is not that I have to change the volume locally for each site (it's always at max on youtube for example.) What I'd like to be easier is that when I change sites, I have to go into window's sound mixer to change the balance between chrome and other applications because otherwise my neighboors become deaf.

If you don't mind some quality loss, you could try some dynamic range compression for everything.

Some sound cards have it as an optional feature (e.g. Turtle Beach Micro II, ~$25). There's probably some VST plugin that can do it too (and probably better, more controllable), so with some trickeration you could apply that to all OS sounds:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=91100
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
May 10 2013 02:43 GMT
#6506
Is there another way to measure game performance than fps? I've been trying 720p high graphics and 1080p medium graphics and they both tell me 60 fps but the 1080p one "feels" a lot laggier. Also, is there a benefit to using native resolution on lcd? I see everyone say I should but why? Is it bad for hardware? (trying to decide between just plyaing at 1280x720 with ok graphics rather than native 1920x1080 with super bad graphics)
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
May 10 2013 03:21 GMT
#6507
It looks better, it's not blurry at the native resolution. Perhaps that's what makes you think 720p feels smoother? It could be some kind of optical illusion because things get blurred from stretching 720p to the native resolution of the monitor.

You could try to turn on anti-aliasing at 1080p to make the pixels on the edges of units and buildings not so noticeable. The SC2 ingame anti-aliasing option doesn't do anything bad to the FPS numbers for me. Forcing anti-aliasing on in the graphics card control panel software looks better than the ingame option but causes the FPS to drop a good bit.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
May 10 2013 03:32 GMT
#6508
On May 10 2013 12:21 Ropid wrote:
It looks better, it's not blurry at the native resolution. Perhaps that's what makes you think 720p feels smoother? It could be some kind of optical illusion because things get blurred from stretching 720p to the native resolution of the monitor.

You could try to turn on anti-aliasing at 1080p to make the pixels on the edges of units and buildings not so noticeable. The SC2 ingame anti-aliasing option doesn't do anything bad to the FPS numbers for me. Forcing anti-aliasing on in the graphics card control panel software looks better than the ingame option but causes the FPS to drop a good bit.

That's probably it now that you mention it, just making sure I'm not crazy. It's more crisp but the animations and stuff dont' feel as smooth, might just be the eyes tricking me.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
May 10 2013 04:56 GMT
#6509
On May 10 2013 11:43 Count9 wrote:
Is there another way to measure game performance than fps? I've been trying 720p high graphics and 1080p medium graphics and they both tell me 60 fps but the 1080p one "feels" a lot laggier. Also, is there a benefit to using native resolution on lcd? I see everyone say I should but why? Is it bad for hardware? (trying to decide between just plyaing at 1280x720 with ok graphics rather than native 1920x1080 with super bad graphics)

Yes. Latency between frames & minimum FPS are big culprits of good FPS but bad experience.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
May 10 2013 05:21 GMT
#6510
It's also very much about perception, not about how smooth it actually is
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Flaiker
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany235 Posts
May 10 2013 07:16 GMT
#6511
On May 10 2013 11:43 Count9 wrote:
Is there another way to measure game performance than fps? I've been trying 720p high graphics and 1080p medium graphics and they both tell me 60 fps but the 1080p one "feels" a lot laggier. Also, is there a benefit to using native resolution on lcd? I see everyone say I should but why? Is it bad for hardware? (trying to decide between just plyaing at 1280x720 with ok graphics rather than native 1920x1080 with super bad graphics)

If it is both always 60 FPS you might have VSYNC on? For me that makes the game very unresponsive. If you want to limit the FPS because you gfx card overheats or sth. you can do that in the variables.txt without having the choppiness vsync causes. Just a guess,
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Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
May 10 2013 07:43 GMT
#6512
On May 10 2013 11:43 Count9 wrote:
Is there another way to measure game performance than fps? I've been trying 720p high graphics and 1080p medium graphics and they both tell me 60 fps but the 1080p one "feels" a lot laggier. Also, is there a benefit to using native resolution on lcd? I see everyone say I should but why? Is it bad for hardware? (trying to decide between just plyaing at 1280x720 with ok graphics rather than native 1920x1080 with super bad graphics)


Don't have a direct answer to your "laggier feel", but your other questions:

An LCD has a set number of pixels (individual display units), unlike a CRT which was just a plate of phosphorous that you could project an electron beam on. This number of pixels that the display has determines the native resolution. If you run your display at a lower resolution, it has to interpolate to determine what colour the pixels should get. Take a 1080p panel (1080 pixels in the vertical direction) ran at 720p (720 pixels vertical). Each "virtual" pixel has to be smeared out over 1.5 physical pixels (per direction). That means that the image becomes more blurry, especially with sharp contrasts.

It is not at all bad for the hardware, your LCD will live just as long when operated at 720p. But you should be able to clearly see the difference is sharpness between running at 1080p and 720p.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 10 2013 12:16 GMT
#6513
A 1080p monitor looks so incredibly disgusting at 720p that running it at 1080p with shit graphics will look far better than running it at 720+ with "good" graphics. Of course you could always play windowed mode.
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{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
May 10 2013 17:43 GMT
#6514
Has anyone here experience with either the fractal define r4 or the nanoxia deep silence 1 (or2) or any other silent case? need case that makes my pc "silent" / quite and at the same time doesnt make it that it is overheating or something due to bad airflow
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 10 2013 18:57 GMT
#6515
You need quiet components in the first place. A noise-dampening case is just kind of a last line of defense.

Depending on the graphics card(s) and load, you can even have more noise using one than if using something else with better airflow.

So it's relevant to know everything that's in your build and your expected range of noise level. Are you more worried about gaming noise levels or idle? If you could make one better at the expense of the other, which would it be?
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 19:29:25
May 10 2013 19:25 GMT
#6516
other parts are hr02 macho and a bequit 480w e9 cm modular, not sure about gpu, i either stay with my 460 asus directcu for now cuz i dont need better for sc2 for now or am searching for an upgrade in the 200eur range wich is silent (but not sure on the gpu topic) / problem is that the 460 would probably by far be the biggest noise problem in that system, gpu isnt exactly silent

concerned about both, but idle noise level lower would be cool, when gaming i have headphones on anyway but it would be nice in any case to not have a freaking 5000db machine next to u like i do now =(
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
May 10 2013 20:23 GMT
#6517
You need to find out what exactly is annoying you about your PC at the moment. Working on each of the components is needed anyways, so deciding to change the case should come last. Changing the case won't fix your problem.

Make sure you force things like the CPU fan and GPU fans to run as slow as possible while idle. Go about deciding what is "idle" aggressively, set up the fan profiles so that the fans only start to ramp up if it's getting seriously hot. You can also let the fan speeds typically max out at for example 60 %, only going higher with the last step of the fan profile if temperature hits 85 C or something.

The fan profiles are usually set up in the (overclocking) software that came with your motherboard and graphics card. If you can't force the GPU fans below 40 % speed, you can research how to go about patching its BIOS to allow it to go as low as 25 % or something like that.

If you don't like the motherboard's and graphics card's software, there's a program called "SpeedFan".

You need to replace fans that are not quiet.

The aftermarket coolers for graphics cards are better than anything that ships with a graphics card. Some of it is pretty ridiculous (meaning: awesome) like a cooler that uses a 140 mm fan.

There are products for decoupling the HDDs from the case that beat the typical solutions that come with the silent cases. There are products to insulate HDDs to muffle the sound of their rotating disks that handily beat the dampening of a silent case. Silencing the HDDs is pretty pricey but there are ghetto do-it-yourself solutions.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
May 10 2013 21:34 GMT
#6518
well, i am in the process of getting a new pc anyway so just "fixing" stuff with the current rig isnt worth the time, the reason why i get a new case is pretty simple, this case is some 10eur case witch could fall apart any given moment so now i want to ve a case which will give me a more silent or quite pc (given the fact that i upgrade any annoyingly loud parts anyway but as i am not sure bout the case i tried to ask a simple question turned out thats probably not possible lol
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
May 10 2013 22:03 GMT
#6519
Just look into the options you have for turning all fans down for now. Here's how I've set up my graphics card, which helped a lot with noise:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


For the CPU and case fans go into the BIOS and choose whatever setting is the weakest cooling.

Next time you buy parts, decide on the PSU and the graphics card by looking at its reported noise in reviews. Your HR-02 CPU cooler is already something for silent PCs so you should keep it. For HDD noise you can go with a neat pricey PC case that's mostly closed and has dampening on the side panels and front door. The HDDs and fans have to be decoupled from the case so that vibrations aren't translated into noise. The pricey silent case will come with some kind of solution for this.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Scones
Profile Joined June 2012
Wales99 Posts
May 11 2013 18:55 GMT
#6520
I'm considering buying my first gaming pc. What's the difference between an i7 and i5 processor?(What can an i7 do that an i5 can't?) and would an i5(I'm looking at the i5 3570k)be enough for playing SC2 and streaming? I have looked at the Computer Resource Thread, and while it does give a huge list of processors, it doesn't really answer my question.

I have a feeling I might be overestimating how good a processor I need.

Thanks
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