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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
December 30 2012 22:23 GMT
#5081
Try not to go higher than 78C in the winter.
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Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
December 31 2012 01:24 GMT
#5082
For single cards, AMD or Nvidia this generation? 7970 seems to be on par with 670 sometimes, and ahead of the 680 at others. Probably going with an Asus 670 anyways, but I would like some thoughts.
There is no one like you in the universe.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 31 2012 01:52 GMT
#5083
AMD is priced better for the performance this generation, but I don't think there's any arguing with this:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1325-page4.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_670_Direct_Cu_II/27.html
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 04:56:47
December 31 2012 04:55 GMT
#5084
On December 31 2012 07:23 Medrea wrote:
Try not to go higher than 78C in the winter.


Was actually about to ask this question myself.

Currently got my front fan sucking in and my back fan pushing out. New Nvidia 560ti 448 Core is idling around 30-45C, and when playing Crysis 2 at HD Textures DX11 Ultra everything (1920x1080) it was getting over 90. I realized I didn't redownload a fan controller after my reformat so I got my fans up to 70% speed from 40% and it dropped down to around 78-84C during gameplay. I feel like I can get it lower if I pump up my fans to 85%, but that's just so damn loud and I want to know if it's really necessary. Always had a pretty cool card (aka ATI), so I'm not used to pushing it like this lol.

A small problem I do have though is how my case is set up. One of my two fans (120mm) is set on the rear top of my case, pushing out. My video card has its fan facing the opposite direction, downward. My PSU fan has its fan facing upward, blowing hot air into my video card. So there's this like turbulent section in the middle of my case where my PSU and GPU are just blowing air into each other. That's kind of the reason I put the intake fan on the front, because I can set it lower so it can blow between the two, and hopefully up through my top cage and out through my back fan. Am I just worrying over nothing, or is this a massive failure in terms of how my case is set up?

Pic related, best shot I can get without opening my case (already had to pull it out and walk it over to my bathroom to open it three times tonight, don't really want to again). My next purchase on the list, other than a new HDD, is a bigass fan to put on my top grill to push in air.

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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 31 2012 05:33 GMT
#5085
85c is on the hot side but it's fine, just be mindful of dust buildup.

Power supply fans are intake, not exhaust.

Hot air rises. Top fans should almost always be exhaust. An intake on top would actually be useless in your case since exhaust fans are situated at the top rear. The air taken in from the top would just go out the top rear, never coming into contact with your GPU.
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
December 31 2012 05:35 GMT
#5086
On December 31 2012 14:33 skyR wrote:
85c is on the hot side but it's fine, just be mindful of dust buildup.

Power supply fans are intake, not exhaust.

Hot air rises. Top fans should almost always be exhaust. An intake on top would actually be useless in your case since exhaust fans are situated at the top rear. The air taken in from the top would just go out the top rear, never coming into contact with your GPU.


Had no idea PSU was intake, the more you know.

Yeah I kind of thought that might be an issue. I feel like a second exhaust fan there would be extremely redundant.

I just realized I have a vent on the left side of my case, that would be able to have a fan pushing air right into my video card near the bottom. I'd have to move my desktop out to the right by a foot or two to give it some air to even suck in, but that seems like it might be a bit more beneficial.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 06:49:25
December 31 2012 06:47 GMT
#5087
Some cases, even ATX cases, have top intake. Silverstone PS06 does, for example. This could cause some turbulence and a whole lot of wasted air going straight out the back, but it might improve CPU cooling sometimes, by maybe helping the fan on a side-blowing tower cooler get fresh intake, or something like that.

That unpainted interior and top holes look like HAF 912. If you want and don't have the case sitting on carpet, you can rotate the power supply so the fan is facing downwards, getting intake from below the case. That way it's not disrupting the area around the graphics card and also not unnecessarily taking in hot air.

Side intake may help, but beware of dust. A filter might be a good idea. Top exhaust could also help, bringing hot air from GPU area out. Depends on the GPU cooler. For a blower model that exhausts out back, you definitely want the side intake. For a more open-air cooler, I'm not sure.

Anyway, chassis airflow generally won't have a huge impact on cooling, unless you're looking at a particularly restrictive case or have a really nonsensical setup. Check for any dust buildup in the GPU cooler.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 07:11:16
December 31 2012 07:11 GMT
#5088
I'm in the market for an SSD. Ideally I would want to be using it as my only drive, since I don't keep media files or anything like that that would require mass storage. However I currently use right around 250 gigs for games and programs, meaning I would probably want to get something larger than that in an SSD. So based on reading some past threads I get the impression that the best choices are Crucial M4 or Samsung 840/830. As for 500gb options, 840 pro 500gb and 830 500gb are both $500+. On the other hand, there are these two options for 500gb, each around $400:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147190
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148444

So basically the question is whether there's any reason I should avoid the above two in favor of the 840 pro 500gb or 830 500gb. Another question would be whether there might be a better 500gb option from another brand.
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
December 31 2012 07:18 GMT
#5089
On December 31 2012 07:09 kef wrote:
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On December 31 2012 06:09 Rannasha wrote:
On December 31 2012 06:03 kef wrote:
Hey guys about a year ago TL helped me pick the parts for my computer and build it, and up until a few weeks ago everything was running perfectly. Now that I'm done with finals and holidays and have time to fix things, I figured I'd give you guys a shout again. I've noticed in the last few weeks I've been getting bad frame rate stuttering, even in games that didn't have it before. I'm guessing this is a gpu issue, but I don't really have any idea what to do to fix things. I've tried limiting my fps to 60 and even 30 and it only helps a very small amount, and usually only for a short while.

Are there some settings I can double check or tweak, or something possibly wrong on the hardware side? I don't really have any idea what else to do.

My specs:
i5 2400 @ 3.10 GHz
Radeon HD 6870
8 GB ram
21" screen at 1920x1080 resolution


Check your temperatures (GPU and CPU). A program like HW Monitor will let you do this. As time goes by, dust collects in the case, especially in heatsinks and fans, lowering the effectiveness of cooling mechanisms. Consequently, temperatures will rise and the system may throttle itself because temperatures have gotten too high. A temperature-check and some dust cleaning may resolve your issue if this is indeed what's causing it.

Otherwise, check to see which processes are using CPU time with the task manager. Some background processes may be competing for resources with your game.

And of course ensure that your pc is free of malware and that all drivers and software is up to date.


Good point, I haven't cleaned out the inside of the case in a while. I should've thought of that. Also, what temperatures are normal/abnormal for a gpu?


My 6870s hit 90C on a bad day (40C outside today) you wouldn't want to go over that.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 31 2012 07:22 GMT
#5090
On December 31 2012 16:11 Doodsmack wrote:
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I'm in the market for an SSD. Ideally I would want to be using it as my only drive, since I don't keep media files or anything like that that would require mass storage. However I currently use right around 250 gigs for games and programs, meaning I would probably want to get something larger than that in an SSD. So based on reading some past threads I get the impression that the best choices are Crucial M4 or Samsung 840/830. As for 500gb options, 840 pro 500gb and 830 500gb are both $500+. On the other hand, there are these two options for 500gb, each around $400:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147190
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148444

So basically the question is whether there's any reason I should avoid the above two in favor of the 840 pro 500gb or 830 500gb. Another question would be whether there might be a better 500gb option from another brand.

B&H is selling the Samsung 840 500GB for $314, so if you really want an SSD that large, I'd take that:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?is=REG&Q=&A=details&O=productlist&sku=897033

If for whatever reason you've never heard of them, seller rating on Google is average 4.9/5 in 33,421 reviews. They're legit.

840 Pro is a bit faster, but no normal desktop user should be able to tell the difference.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
December 31 2012 15:40 GMT
#5091
On December 31 2012 16:22 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 16:11 Doodsmack wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I'm in the market for an SSD. Ideally I would want to be using it as my only drive, since I don't keep media files or anything like that that would require mass storage. However I currently use right around 250 gigs for games and programs, meaning I would probably want to get something larger than that in an SSD. So based on reading some past threads I get the impression that the best choices are Crucial M4 or Samsung 840/830. As for 500gb options, 840 pro 500gb and 830 500gb are both $500+. On the other hand, there are these two options for 500gb, each around $400:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147190
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148444

So basically the question is whether there's any reason I should avoid the above two in favor of the 840 pro 500gb or 830 500gb. Another question would be whether there might be a better 500gb option from another brand.

B&H is selling the Samsung 840 500GB for $314, so if you really want an SSD that large, I'd take that:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?is=REG&Q=&A=details&O=productlist&sku=897033

If for whatever reason you've never heard of them, seller rating on Google is average 4.9/5 in 33,421 reviews. They're legit.

840 Pro is a bit faster, but no normal desktop user should be able to tell the difference.



Only potential problem with that drive is that its TLC rather than MLC. After reading up a bit on the difference I'm a bit scared about the longetivity of TLC. I don't know anything about this subject but does heavy gaming involve a lot of writing to the hard drive? Maybe the Crucial option is better if its MLC.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 31 2012 16:49 GMT
#5092
Samsung 840 non-Pro is the only TLC SSD out there now, AFAIK. I didn't mention it because it's not worth bringing up. It's not going to matter for normal desktop users.

How much raw writes do you think you're going to do per day, 200 GB? Yeah right.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
December 31 2012 18:17 GMT
#5093
Good, 840 it is . Thanks. Surprised more companies wouldn't make TLC SSDs if they're cheaper to produce.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 31 2012 18:33 GMT
#5094
I'm not sure if anybody other than Samsung produces SSD-quality TLC flash at the moment, or is selling them. Or is even Samsung selling it to others yet?

Samsung's 840 uses its own TLC flash, so of course they have a head start on others for validating and testing it, being confident to release a product with it. Others may also balk at releasing a product or lineup where they're dependent on one supplier (Samsung, who's a large competitor, no less) for flash, if that's actually the case. A lot of the popular SSD controllers don't have TLC flash support too.

Anyway, it's not extraordinarily cheaper to produce. But it's a matter of time before more follow suit.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
December 31 2012 19:19 GMT
#5095
Is an SSD controller something that's on the SSD or mobo? Would there be any concerns with mobo compatibility with this drive?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128514
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 31 2012 19:33 GMT
#5096
I mean the controller inside the SSD that does all the dirty work of managing what data is stored where, the low-level read / program / erase to the flash on one side, and then interfacing with the computer on the other side. The relatively high complexity of this part and particularly the firmware to run it, have caused lots of grief in the past with SSDs. (SSD write endurance being generally not a concern; making sure the stuff works reliably on all systems is the real challenge.) In fact, even for Samsung 840 / 840 Pro, firmware on samples sent to reviewers (but not those shipping commercially to users) had issues.

There are no concerns with compatibility. The SSD talks with the AMD SB950 chip on the motherboard. I'm just making comments about the internals that users shouldn't have to worry about. Sorry for the confusion.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20316 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 21:41:09
December 31 2012 21:06 GMT
#5097
Long story short:

Second output on GPU not working correctly (gtx580) - worked fine before, just randomly booted once or was playing, and screen suddenly no longer displaying desktop

Screen works, recieves signal (tried 3 screens, all show "no signal" if i unplug, keep power on etc)

all power saving settings disabled

restarted a bunch, changed screens around, the one in second DVI out never displays anything but black, i can screenshot the desktop that they are supposed to be displaying and view it on the one screen that does work (first output)

second output was the one that showed boot and bios screens etc

somehow in troubleshooting this (probably random power offs when i had no display) i reset some CPU settings from overclock and now CPU is running at 18x133mhz (2.4ghz) instead of the stock 3.06, or overclocked 3.6 that i had comfortably before. Cant access bios, cant fix things. Cmos reset doesnt change the multiplier, which i had lowered because most overclocking with 900 series i7's is done with base clock (to ~200mhz)

Tried rolling back drivers from ~310 to ~306 before, no change.

Temps are fine, CPU in the 30's, GPU in the 50's.

Not sure what to do, any hints?

http://www.techsupportforum.com/forums/f24/2nd-monitor-detected-but-stays-black-604178.html


^This pretty accurately describes issue too. Kinda difficult to replace a 580 though.

If i can get into bios using the other output and fix CPU il probably just stick with 1 screen for a while assuming everything still runs fine - but it sucks to have something like this happen on new year
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 21:57:33
December 31 2012 21:56 GMT
#5098
Did you try reseating the GPU?

Also unplug/replug the 6+2 pins connectors
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20316 Posts
December 31 2012 22:04 GMT
#5099
^Didnt try either, didnt go into the case. You think those could be an issue when the system physically hasnt even been knocked for like 6 months?

PSU is a decent quality 650w
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
December 31 2012 22:35 GMT
#5100
OH fml i misread, don't know why i thought i saw second GPU not second output, my bad... can't help you there
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