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neek
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands51 Posts
June 30 2012 23:19 GMT
#3341
I am using a nVidia gefore GTX 285 graphics and a intel q9550 quadcore 2.83hz processor. My fps are around 40-50 most of the game, but when there is a big engagement it drops below 20 fps making it impossible to micro correctly. I already use the lowest settings and used guides to increase fps using the "variables.txt" file, but nothing worked. I'm not an expert on hardware but i would say my hardware should do better then <20 fps on the lowest settings. Does any of you know anything I can do to improve my fps ?? I already tried updating my drivers. One thing I could think of is buying more RAM, as I'm only using 4GB now. But windows taskmanager shows I'm only using 2GB when starcraft2 is loaded... any help is appreciated
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 30 2012 23:23 GMT
#3342
On July 01 2012 08:19 neek wrote:
I am using a nVidia gefore GTX 285 graphics and a intel q9550 quadcore 2.83hz processor. My fps are around 40-50 most of the game, but when there is a big engagement it drops below 20 fps making it impossible to micro correctly. I already use the lowest settings and used guides to increase fps using the "variables.txt" file, but nothing worked. I'm not an expert on hardware but i would say my hardware should do better then <20 fps on the lowest settings. Does any of you know anything I can do to improve my fps ?? I already tried updating my drivers. One thing I could think of is buying more RAM, as I'm only using 4GB now. But windows taskmanager shows I'm only using 2GB when starcraft2 is loaded... any help is appreciated


First thing I'd do is use Hardwaremonitor to see what your CPU core temps are hitting in high-unit scenarios.
RiSkysc2
Profile Joined September 2011
696 Posts
June 30 2012 23:24 GMT
#3343
On July 01 2012 08:15 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 08:15 Lineridarz wrote:
Is cleaning your cpu, gpu and rest of case ok to do with a normal brush?


If you mean cleaning heatsinks and cables, yes, if you mean cleaning chips and circuit boards, no.

ok. Thanks for the quick response
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
June 30 2012 23:55 GMT
#3344
On July 01 2012 08:19 neek wrote:
I am using a nVidia gefore GTX 285 graphics and a intel q9550 quadcore 2.83hz processor. My fps are around 40-50 most of the game, but when there is a big engagement it drops below 20 fps making it impossible to micro correctly. I already use the lowest settings and used guides to increase fps using the "variables.txt" file, but nothing worked. I'm not an expert on hardware but i would say my hardware should do better then <20 fps on the lowest settings. Does any of you know anything I can do to improve my fps ?? I already tried updating my drivers. One thing I could think of is buying more RAM, as I'm only using 4GB now. But windows taskmanager shows I'm only using 2GB when starcraft2 is loaded... any help is appreciated


More RAM will not help, not will improving your graphics card or even really lowering most graphics settings (some CPU settings might help). Whenever you have slowdowns based on the number of units on the screen, it's a result of insufficient CPU power - the AI & pathing calculations are adding up and bogging down your processor. An example: A fleet of 10 battlecruisers does not slow your game down, but 120 zerglings will. I'm not entirely sure how well a q9550 is supposed to do in SC2, but it may simply be working normally.

There's really only 3 potential solutions to solving this problem:
1) Find out if there's something wrong with your CPU's performance and, if there's a problem, fix it. (This is why Jinglehell suggested you check your temperatures when lagging in games. You should be able to replicate the problem reliably using a replay or a unit testing map.)

2) Overclock your processor. Results may vary, depending on motherboard & cooling solutions.

3) Upgrade to a faster processor. Sad as it is, SC2 is simply an incredibly CPU-demanding game. There is no modern processor that can reliably play it at 60 fps. Smooth, sure. Max FPS? No.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
neek
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands51 Posts
July 01 2012 00:05 GMT
#3345
ok, that helps me a lot! thanks for the quick responses, teamliquid is awesome!
neek
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands51 Posts
July 01 2012 00:18 GMT
#3346
few more things:

I am currently using Windows Vista. Will upgrading to Windows7 help me at all?

I checked the temperature of my CPU, and indeed it gets really high. I downloaded a program called Open Hardware Monitor and it shows the max temperature of my CPU is 61C and when im doing normal work it's about 50-55C. Then i checked the temperature when watching a replay where 200/200 army's fight each other, during that the temperature was higher, almost reaching max. Does this mean my CPU is simply not good enough and I should buy a new one or overclock? Will buying better cooling be an option?


JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 01 2012 00:20 GMT
#3347
On July 01 2012 09:18 neek wrote:
few more things:

I am currently using Windows Vista. Will upgrading to Windows7 help me at all?

I checked the temperature of my CPU, and indeed it gets really high. I downloaded a program called Open Hardware Monitor and it shows the max temperature of my CPU is 61C and when im doing normal work it's about 50-55C. Then i checked the temperature when watching a replay where 200/200 army's fight each other, during that the temperature was higher, almost reaching max. Does this mean my CPU is simply not good enough and I should buy a new one or overclock? Will buying better cooling be an option?




What are you calling "almost reaching max". Also, you're getting core temps, yes? And the first solution is to see if your CPU cooler is dusty as shit.
neek
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands51 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 00:32:21
July 01 2012 00:30 GMT
#3348
On July 01 2012 09:20 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 09:18 neek wrote:
few more things:

I am currently using Windows Vista. Will upgrading to Windows7 help me at all?

I checked the temperature of my CPU, and indeed it gets really high. I downloaded a program called Open Hardware Monitor and it shows the max temperature of my CPU is 61C and when im doing normal work it's about 50-55C. Then i checked the temperature when watching a replay where 200/200 army's fight each other, during that the temperature was higher, almost reaching max. Does this mean my CPU is simply not good enough and I should buy a new one or overclock? Will buying better cooling be an option?




What are you calling "almost reaching max". Also, you're getting core temps, yes? And the first solution is to see if your CPU cooler is dusty as shit.


It went up to 59C. Yes these are core temps, so I have 4 different temps. But only core 1 showed signicant changes so I didn't mention the other. But now the max temps are changing for some reason, I don't really understand. Also one more thing to note: I also checked the CPU-usage, using windows task manager, and weirdly enough it doesn't really show difference, it stays around 30%... so maybe my CPU isn't too bad, but it's not performing to its potential for some reason

edit: I already cleaned the CPU cooler but it had no effect
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 01 2012 00:32 GMT
#3349
On July 01 2012 09:30 neek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 09:20 JingleHell wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:18 neek wrote:
few more things:

I am currently using Windows Vista. Will upgrading to Windows7 help me at all?

I checked the temperature of my CPU, and indeed it gets really high. I downloaded a program called Open Hardware Monitor and it shows the max temperature of my CPU is 61C and when im doing normal work it's about 50-55C. Then i checked the temperature when watching a replay where 200/200 army's fight each other, during that the temperature was higher, almost reaching max. Does this mean my CPU is simply not good enough and I should buy a new one or overclock? Will buying better cooling be an option?




What are you calling "almost reaching max". Also, you're getting core temps, yes? And the first solution is to see if your CPU cooler is dusty as shit.


It went up to 59C. Yes these are core temps, so I have 4 different temps. But only core 1 showed signicant changes so I didn't mention the other. But now the max temps are changing for some reason, I don't really understand. Also one more thing to note: I also checked the CPU-usage, using windows task manager, and weirdly enough it doesn't really show difference, it stays around 30%... so maybe my CPU isn't too bad, but it's not performing to its potential for some reason


Uhm, if the "max temps" you mean are the ones in hardware monitor's rightmost column, that's the max since you've started the software. Core temps for C2Q are safe quite a lot higher than that. I'd guess you're just having situational trouble with your CPU keeping up with unit counts.
neek
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands51 Posts
July 01 2012 00:37 GMT
#3350
On July 01 2012 09:32 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 09:30 neek wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:20 JingleHell wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:18 neek wrote:
few more things:

I am currently using Windows Vista. Will upgrading to Windows7 help me at all?

I checked the temperature of my CPU, and indeed it gets really high. I downloaded a program called Open Hardware Monitor and it shows the max temperature of my CPU is 61C and when im doing normal work it's about 50-55C. Then i checked the temperature when watching a replay where 200/200 army's fight each other, during that the temperature was higher, almost reaching max. Does this mean my CPU is simply not good enough and I should buy a new one or overclock? Will buying better cooling be an option?




What are you calling "almost reaching max". Also, you're getting core temps, yes? And the first solution is to see if your CPU cooler is dusty as shit.


It went up to 59C. Yes these are core temps, so I have 4 different temps. But only core 1 showed signicant changes so I didn't mention the other. But now the max temps are changing for some reason, I don't really understand. Also one more thing to note: I also checked the CPU-usage, using windows task manager, and weirdly enough it doesn't really show difference, it stays around 30%... so maybe my CPU isn't too bad, but it's not performing to its potential for some reason


Uhm, if the "max temps" you mean are the ones in hardware monitor's rightmost column, that's the max since you've started the software. Core temps for C2Q are safe quite a lot higher than that. I'd guess you're just having situational trouble with your CPU keeping up with unit counts.


Yes, but how can my CPU have problems when it is not even using it's full power?? shouldn't it like, use more power to keep up the fps automaticly ?? I'm not really sure what this "30% CPU usage" means though
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
July 01 2012 00:44 GMT
#3351
On July 01 2012 06:56 EdenPLusDucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 06:34 zezamer wrote:
Does SC2 run better in windowed mode or normal, or doesn't it matter ? (= I have old computer, would the game run better in windowed mode than in normal?)


Windowed mode will perform worse than normal fullscreen.


Oki, thanks
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 01 2012 00:49 GMT
#3352
On July 01 2012 09:37 neek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 09:32 JingleHell wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:30 neek wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:20 JingleHell wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:18 neek wrote:
few more things:

I am currently using Windows Vista. Will upgrading to Windows7 help me at all?

I checked the temperature of my CPU, and indeed it gets really high. I downloaded a program called Open Hardware Monitor and it shows the max temperature of my CPU is 61C and when im doing normal work it's about 50-55C. Then i checked the temperature when watching a replay where 200/200 army's fight each other, during that the temperature was higher, almost reaching max. Does this mean my CPU is simply not good enough and I should buy a new one or overclock? Will buying better cooling be an option?




What are you calling "almost reaching max". Also, you're getting core temps, yes? And the first solution is to see if your CPU cooler is dusty as shit.


It went up to 59C. Yes these are core temps, so I have 4 different temps. But only core 1 showed signicant changes so I didn't mention the other. But now the max temps are changing for some reason, I don't really understand. Also one more thing to note: I also checked the CPU-usage, using windows task manager, and weirdly enough it doesn't really show difference, it stays around 30%... so maybe my CPU isn't too bad, but it's not performing to its potential for some reason


Uhm, if the "max temps" you mean are the ones in hardware monitor's rightmost column, that's the max since you've started the software. Core temps for C2Q are safe quite a lot higher than that. I'd guess you're just having situational trouble with your CPU keeping up with unit counts.


Yes, but how can my CPU have problems when it is not even using it's full power?? shouldn't it like, use more power to keep up the fps automaticly ?? I'm not really sure what this "30% CPU usage" means though


If the speed limit changes, and you don't see the sign and hit the gas pedal in your car, does your car accelerate anyways to compensate?

The software is the guy at the wheel in this analogy. If the software can't do more with your hardware, your hardware won't do more.
neek
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands51 Posts
July 01 2012 00:52 GMT
#3353
On July 01 2012 09:49 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 09:37 neek wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:32 JingleHell wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:30 neek wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:20 JingleHell wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:18 neek wrote:
few more things:

I am currently using Windows Vista. Will upgrading to Windows7 help me at all?

I checked the temperature of my CPU, and indeed it gets really high. I downloaded a program called Open Hardware Monitor and it shows the max temperature of my CPU is 61C and when im doing normal work it's about 50-55C. Then i checked the temperature when watching a replay where 200/200 army's fight each other, during that the temperature was higher, almost reaching max. Does this mean my CPU is simply not good enough and I should buy a new one or overclock? Will buying better cooling be an option?




What are you calling "almost reaching max". Also, you're getting core temps, yes? And the first solution is to see if your CPU cooler is dusty as shit.


It went up to 59C. Yes these are core temps, so I have 4 different temps. But only core 1 showed signicant changes so I didn't mention the other. But now the max temps are changing for some reason, I don't really understand. Also one more thing to note: I also checked the CPU-usage, using windows task manager, and weirdly enough it doesn't really show difference, it stays around 30%... so maybe my CPU isn't too bad, but it's not performing to its potential for some reason


Uhm, if the "max temps" you mean are the ones in hardware monitor's rightmost column, that's the max since you've started the software. Core temps for C2Q are safe quite a lot higher than that. I'd guess you're just having situational trouble with your CPU keeping up with unit counts.


Yes, but how can my CPU have problems when it is not even using it's full power?? shouldn't it like, use more power to keep up the fps automaticly ?? I'm not really sure what this "30% CPU usage" means though


If the speed limit changes, and you don't see the sign and hit the gas pedal in your car, does your car accelerate anyways to compensate?

The software is the guy at the wheel in this analogy. If the software can't do more with your hardware, your hardware won't do more.

Ok, so how do I tell my software to go faster then? Or in other words, how do I change the limit for CPU usage for sc2??
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 01 2012 01:02 GMT
#3354
On July 01 2012 09:52 neek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 09:49 JingleHell wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:37 neek wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:32 JingleHell wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:30 neek wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:20 JingleHell wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:18 neek wrote:
few more things:

I am currently using Windows Vista. Will upgrading to Windows7 help me at all?

I checked the temperature of my CPU, and indeed it gets really high. I downloaded a program called Open Hardware Monitor and it shows the max temperature of my CPU is 61C and when im doing normal work it's about 50-55C. Then i checked the temperature when watching a replay where 200/200 army's fight each other, during that the temperature was higher, almost reaching max. Does this mean my CPU is simply not good enough and I should buy a new one or overclock? Will buying better cooling be an option?




What are you calling "almost reaching max". Also, you're getting core temps, yes? And the first solution is to see if your CPU cooler is dusty as shit.


It went up to 59C. Yes these are core temps, so I have 4 different temps. But only core 1 showed signicant changes so I didn't mention the other. But now the max temps are changing for some reason, I don't really understand. Also one more thing to note: I also checked the CPU-usage, using windows task manager, and weirdly enough it doesn't really show difference, it stays around 30%... so maybe my CPU isn't too bad, but it's not performing to its potential for some reason


Uhm, if the "max temps" you mean are the ones in hardware monitor's rightmost column, that's the max since you've started the software. Core temps for C2Q are safe quite a lot higher than that. I'd guess you're just having situational trouble with your CPU keeping up with unit counts.


Yes, but how can my CPU have problems when it is not even using it's full power?? shouldn't it like, use more power to keep up the fps automaticly ?? I'm not really sure what this "30% CPU usage" means though


If the speed limit changes, and you don't see the sign and hit the gas pedal in your car, does your car accelerate anyways to compensate?

The software is the guy at the wheel in this analogy. If the software can't do more with your hardware, your hardware won't do more.

Ok, so how do I tell my software to go faster then? Or in other words, how do I change the limit for CPU usage for sc2??


you swear violently at Blizzard, like the rest of us. I suppose it's theoretically possible there's something severely wrong with your GPU causing it to limit you instead of your CPU, but that's almost as plausible as politicians telling the truth.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 01 2012 01:06 GMT
#3355
The software can't be changed (by you, and not without a whole lot of trouble on Blizzard's part).

The way the game's programming is structured internally, it can't make use of all the resources your CPU has. It's partly the consequence of what's inherently required to run an RTS like SC2 and partly because of the implementation. No software can fully use a CPU, particularly to do something useful, though some types can get a lot closer than others.

Actually, there are parts of your CPU that are being used fully, and everything else is waiting on that.

If all it took were changing some kind of limit, don't you think it would already be the correct way by default?
neek
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands51 Posts
July 01 2012 01:07 GMT
#3356
On July 01 2012 10:02 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 09:52 neek wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:49 JingleHell wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:37 neek wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:32 JingleHell wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:30 neek wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:20 JingleHell wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:18 neek wrote:
few more things:

I am currently using Windows Vista. Will upgrading to Windows7 help me at all?

I checked the temperature of my CPU, and indeed it gets really high. I downloaded a program called Open Hardware Monitor and it shows the max temperature of my CPU is 61C and when im doing normal work it's about 50-55C. Then i checked the temperature when watching a replay where 200/200 army's fight each other, during that the temperature was higher, almost reaching max. Does this mean my CPU is simply not good enough and I should buy a new one or overclock? Will buying better cooling be an option?




What are you calling "almost reaching max". Also, you're getting core temps, yes? And the first solution is to see if your CPU cooler is dusty as shit.


It went up to 59C. Yes these are core temps, so I have 4 different temps. But only core 1 showed signicant changes so I didn't mention the other. But now the max temps are changing for some reason, I don't really understand. Also one more thing to note: I also checked the CPU-usage, using windows task manager, and weirdly enough it doesn't really show difference, it stays around 30%... so maybe my CPU isn't too bad, but it's not performing to its potential for some reason


Uhm, if the "max temps" you mean are the ones in hardware monitor's rightmost column, that's the max since you've started the software. Core temps for C2Q are safe quite a lot higher than that. I'd guess you're just having situational trouble with your CPU keeping up with unit counts.


Yes, but how can my CPU have problems when it is not even using it's full power?? shouldn't it like, use more power to keep up the fps automaticly ?? I'm not really sure what this "30% CPU usage" means though


If the speed limit changes, and you don't see the sign and hit the gas pedal in your car, does your car accelerate anyways to compensate?

The software is the guy at the wheel in this analogy. If the software can't do more with your hardware, your hardware won't do more.

Ok, so how do I tell my software to go faster then? Or in other words, how do I change the limit for CPU usage for sc2??


you swear violently at Blizzard, like the rest of us. I suppose it's theoretically possible there's something severely wrong with your GPU causing it to limit you instead of your CPU, but that's almost as plausible as politicians telling the truth.

Ah, so sc2 tells my CPU it can only use like 20% of its capacity ?? hm but then how would buying a new CPU help me ?? So if you're right, my CPU can do like 5 times better but sc2 is just not allowing it ? that's weird
neek
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands51 Posts
July 01 2012 01:09 GMT
#3357
On July 01 2012 10:06 Myrmidon wrote:
The software can't be changed (by you, and not without a whole lot of trouble on Blizzard's part).

The way the game's programming is structured internally, it can't make use of all the resources your CPU has. It's partly the consequence of what's inherently required to run an RTS like SC2 and partly because of the implementation. No software can fully use a CPU, particularly to do something useful, though some types can get a lot closer than others.

Actually, there are parts of your CPU that are being used fully, and everything else is waiting on that.

If all it took were changing some kind of limit, don't you think it would already be the correct way by default?


yea, I understand it can't use all rescources of the CPU, but only 20% seems so little, especially when it needs a lot more than that as I only have like 15-20 fps during a battle
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 01 2012 01:19 GMT
#3358
On July 01 2012 10:07 neek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 10:02 JingleHell wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:52 neek wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:49 JingleHell wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:37 neek wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:32 JingleHell wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:30 neek wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:20 JingleHell wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:18 neek wrote:
few more things:

I am currently using Windows Vista. Will upgrading to Windows7 help me at all?

I checked the temperature of my CPU, and indeed it gets really high. I downloaded a program called Open Hardware Monitor and it shows the max temperature of my CPU is 61C and when im doing normal work it's about 50-55C. Then i checked the temperature when watching a replay where 200/200 army's fight each other, during that the temperature was higher, almost reaching max. Does this mean my CPU is simply not good enough and I should buy a new one or overclock? Will buying better cooling be an option?




What are you calling "almost reaching max". Also, you're getting core temps, yes? And the first solution is to see if your CPU cooler is dusty as shit.


It went up to 59C. Yes these are core temps, so I have 4 different temps. But only core 1 showed signicant changes so I didn't mention the other. But now the max temps are changing for some reason, I don't really understand. Also one more thing to note: I also checked the CPU-usage, using windows task manager, and weirdly enough it doesn't really show difference, it stays around 30%... so maybe my CPU isn't too bad, but it's not performing to its potential for some reason


Uhm, if the "max temps" you mean are the ones in hardware monitor's rightmost column, that's the max since you've started the software. Core temps for C2Q are safe quite a lot higher than that. I'd guess you're just having situational trouble with your CPU keeping up with unit counts.


Yes, but how can my CPU have problems when it is not even using it's full power?? shouldn't it like, use more power to keep up the fps automaticly ?? I'm not really sure what this "30% CPU usage" means though


If the speed limit changes, and you don't see the sign and hit the gas pedal in your car, does your car accelerate anyways to compensate?

The software is the guy at the wheel in this analogy. If the software can't do more with your hardware, your hardware won't do more.

Ok, so how do I tell my software to go faster then? Or in other words, how do I change the limit for CPU usage for sc2??


you swear violently at Blizzard, like the rest of us. I suppose it's theoretically possible there's something severely wrong with your GPU causing it to limit you instead of your CPU, but that's almost as plausible as politicians telling the truth.

Ah, so sc2 tells my CPU it can only use like 20% of its capacity ?? hm but then how would buying a new CPU help me ?? So if you're right, my CPU can do like 5 times better but sc2 is just not allowing it ? that's weird


It can use up to two cores effectively, at most, to oversimplify it. If each core it uses is faster, it gets better performance.

I think Blizzard mostly tries to argue that they made SC2 not use CPU's efficiently to "help" people with worse computers, but I wouldn't buy that with Bill Gate's money.
EdenPLusDucky
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
571 Posts
July 01 2012 21:46 GMT
#3359
Does intel quicksync help with streaming at all?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 01 2012 21:58 GMT
#3360
On July 02 2012 06:46 EdenPLusDucky wrote:
Does intel quicksync help with streaming at all?


Better to ask the developer of your specific software.
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