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Zushen
Profile Joined June 2011
275 Posts
May 04 2012 22:08 GMT
#2401
ok cool, would this drive yield the same performance?

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http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B003FW9T0M/ref=sr_1_sc_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1336169258&sr=8-1-spell&condition=new
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 04 2012 22:13 GMT
#2402
On May 05 2012 07:08 Zushen wrote:
ok cool, would this drive yield the same performance?

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B003FW9T0M/ref=sr_1_sc_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1336169258&sr=8-1-spell&condition=new

It's about 300 times slower.
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SpeCtor
Profile Joined August 2010
233 Posts
May 04 2012 22:25 GMT
#2403
On May 05 2012 06:36 TheToast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 06:24 SpeCtor wrote:
On May 05 2012 00:34 TheToast wrote:
On May 05 2012 00:16 SpeCtor wrote:
On May 04 2012 23:53 TheToast wrote:
On May 04 2012 23:51 SpeCtor wrote:
Running out of space, on my current hard drive. If I re-install a my operating system (Win7) onto the new drive, will buying a Caviar Black or a Caviar Blue make any noticeable difference in performance?


Depends, what's your current drive?


Its just a bog standard 500GB HD I got with the computer. It scored 5.9 in my Windows Experience Rating compared to 7.5/7.6 of my other component.

I guess the main question is, will the difference between blue and black make any noticeable difference? Is the extra cost worth it?


I can't tell you whether or not a component will be better if you can't tell me what your current component is.

On May 05 2012 00:23 Myrmidon wrote:
Most Caviar Black models are slightly noisier. That might be the only thing that people would actually notice, since the performance and reliability differences are small enough to go by undetected without running some synthetic benchmarks or buying a whole lot of them.


Well if he's currently got a 5400rpm drive with an 8mb cache, then yes he could see a pretty dramatic increase in performance. Quality would probably be a factor here as well, cheaper drives tend to die more often and after less use time.

If he's currently got a nicer drive such as a Barracuda 7200 then there would probably be no measurable difference by moving to the Cavier Blue. Might see a pretty small increase in performance with the black, as it has the 32mb cache. But that's not really going to apply in terms of gaming performance or load times.


I apologise for being such a jackass when I gave the information. To be honest my initial question is whether I will notice a difference between a Caviar Blue or Black if I install Win7 on it?

Thanks so much for your help so far


Nope, that's cool just miscommunication.

Installing the operating system will slow the speed at which you are able to copy/paste/delete/read files from the drive. Basically, you are now adding all of the OS read/write requests on top of all the file read/write requests. If it was a SSD, there probably wouldn't be much noticable difference. But a 7200RPM drive has a maximum read spead around 1Mb/s. So if the OS is trying to read data at the same time as, for example, SC2 both are going to load slightly slower.



Ah okay, and so if I leave the OS where it is, and just put a bit of data on a new harddrive. say Starcraft II, will I notice any difference in performance (worth the extra cash) if used the cheaper Caviar blue opposed to the caviar black?



skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 04 2012 23:04 GMT
#2404
The majority of the premium on a Caviar Black comes from the three extra years of warranty. The performance difference between blue and black will not be noticeable in gaming.
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 23:50:06
May 04 2012 23:49 GMT
#2405
On May 04 2012 20:12 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 17:26 dabom88 wrote:
On May 04 2012 17:22 skyR wrote:
On May 04 2012 17:19 dabom88 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hi TL-kun. I'm looking to buy an external hard drive from Best Buy, as I have a $30 gift card for BB. I'm hoping not to spend more than 50 or so dollars (so under 80 dollars or so), and this seems to be the best one I can find for the price:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Seagate - Expansion 500GB External USB 2.0 Hard Drive - Black/9609412.p?skuId=9609412&productCategoryId=pcmcat186100050005&id=1218130485136

500GBs for 70 bucks (so about 40 with my $30 gift card). Is it a good buy?



Yes.

Thank you for the swift response. Anyone else, can I get a 2nd or 3rd opinion? I'm rather newbish, so I want to be as assured as possible that this is the right call.


SkyR is god, if god says so then it is so.


On May 04 2012 21:04 Alryk wrote:
The above statement is true.


On May 04 2012 22:46 TheToast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 17:19 dabom88 wrote:
Hi TL-kun. I'm looking to buy an external hard drive from Best Buy, as I have a $30 gift card for BB. I'm hoping not to spend more than 50 or so dollars (so under 80 dollars or so), and this seems to be the best one I can find for the price:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Seagate - Expansion 500GB External USB 2.0 Hard Drive - Black/9609412.p?skuId=9609412&productCategoryId=pcmcat186100050005&id=1218130485136

500GBs for 70 bucks (so about 40 with my $30 gift card). Is it a good buy?


I bought a 1TB seagate drive about 2 years ago. It worked fine for quite a while, the only real annoying thing is it didn't have a power switch to turn the drive off. A few weeks ago though, the thing literally fell apart. The bit of adhesive that connected the USB port to the board inside came off and the USB port literally fell off. When I went to pull the internal drive out, it took almost no force at all to pull the cheap plastic apart. I have to say, I was pleasently surprised to find a really nice quality drive inside, but the case was really cheaply made. Unfortunatly this is the situation with most pre-built externals, if that's the route you want to go Seagate is a good option though. You won't get a piece of shit drive inside, which sometimes happens with others.

Though knowing what I know now, I highly reccommend buying a drive and then buying an enclosure for it. You might spend a small bit more, but it's a better option. For starters, if you ever want to you have the option to easily switch out drives if you ever need to hook another one up. You have a much better options in terms of drive type and size, and if you buy a nice enclosure you won't need to worry about it getting so easily damaged. Further, most stand alone enclosures that you can buy have some nice features, such as a switch to power off the drive (so so so nice, trust me) and many have esata ports as well (which is still faster than USB).

Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 20:12 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
On May 04 2012 17:26 dabom88 wrote:
On May 04 2012 17:22 skyR wrote:
On May 04 2012 17:19 dabom88 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hi TL-kun. I'm looking to buy an external hard drive from Best Buy, as I have a $30 gift card for BB. I'm hoping not to spend more than 50 or so dollars (so under 80 dollars or so), and this seems to be the best one I can find for the price:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Seagate - Expansion 500GB External USB 2.0 Hard Drive - Black/9609412.p?skuId=9609412&productCategoryId=pcmcat186100050005&id=1218130485136

500GBs for 70 bucks (so about 40 with my $30 gift card). Is it a good buy?



Yes.

Thank you for the swift response. Anyone else, can I get a 2nd or 3rd opinion? I'm rather newbish, so I want to be as assured as possible that this is the right call.


SkyR is god, if god says so then it is so.


Hmmmm no.

-edit: sp


Thank you all very much for your advice. I'll be buying it.
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Mordanis
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States893 Posts
May 05 2012 08:38 GMT
#2406
This may be a stupid question, but I just bought an SSD and I'm going to get win7 in a couple of days. Right now, however, I'm on XP and the ssd is displayed in the device manager and the BIOS, but I can't find the actual drive (like in my computer, I know where the physical 2.5 in drive is ) anywhere. Does anyone by chance know how to fix this. Thanks!
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 05 2012 08:42 GMT
#2407
Go into disk management and format / assign it a letter.
FA_ViPeR
Profile Joined June 2003
Germany187 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 10:39:14
May 05 2012 09:50 GMT
#2408
Nevermind, got it to work
Zushen
Profile Joined June 2011
275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 18:01:06
May 05 2012 17:56 GMT
#2409
im about to dump a few hundred dollars on upgrades, before i do i would like to make sure i would not have to upgrade for years and years to come. so how futureproof would this be?

Before+ Show Spoiler +
:AMD 1045T/Sapphire 6770/8gb ram/seagate barracuda 1.5tb 5400rpm/asus m4a88tdv-evo/apevia iceberg 680w


After+ Show Spoiler +
i7 2600k/sapphire toxic 6950 unlocked 2gb card/asrock pro3 1155 z77 board/ antec earthwatts 750w psu/8gb ram/ seagate barracuda 1.5tb 5400 rpm


the reason i would not like to wait for haswell or something later is I plan on streaming ALOT and i need a better cpu asap to better accomodate my needs. + microcenter is having a sale on all 2600k's
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
May 05 2012 18:07 GMT
#2410
On May 06 2012 02:56 Zushen wrote:
im about to dump a few hundred dollars on upgrades, before i do i would like to make sure i would not have to upgrade for years and years to come. so how futureproof would this be?

Before+ Show Spoiler +
:AMD 1045T/Sapphire 6770/8gb ram/seagate barracuda 1.5tb 5400rpm/asus m4a88tdv-evo/apevia iceberg 680w


After+ Show Spoiler +
i7 2600k/sapphire toxic 6950 unlocked 2gb card/asrock pro3 1155 z77 board/ antec earthwatts 750w psu/8gb ram/ seagate barracuda 1.5tb 5400 rpm


the reason i would not like to wait for haswell or something later is I plan on streaming ALOT and i need a better cpu asap to better accomodate my needs. + microcenter is having a sale on all 2600k's


whats your budget on the gpu? and you dont need a 750w unit at all.
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Zushen
Profile Joined June 2011
275 Posts
May 05 2012 18:10 GMT
#2411
i usually search on ebay and i found one there for 220$
PigAntlers
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada32 Posts
May 05 2012 18:29 GMT
#2412
Now my question might not be so simple or even possible but here goes. So I have 2 monitors a 24" one and a 46" tv both connected to my computer. Now what I want to achieve is I want to be able to play a computer game on my couch in front of the 46" TV with a gamepad. But I also want someone to be able to search the web or some other random computer stuff with the keyboard and mouse on the 24" monitor at the same time. So is it possible to lock the gamepad onto the game so that when the mouse is clicked onto a seperate program on the 24" it doesnt interfere with the game on the 46" tv. I imagine if this is possible I would have to buy some program which id be willing to do if no free options work.
StarDrive
Profile Joined September 2010
90 Posts
May 05 2012 19:34 GMT
#2413
Is it a waste to put a 6850 with a 2500k? Would I be GPU bound?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 05 2012 19:36 GMT
#2414
With GPU dependent settings and games... asking these sort of questions is really stupid since you'll be bound by a component regardless of what you have.
StarDrive
Profile Joined September 2010
90 Posts
May 05 2012 19:39 GMT
#2415
Thanks for the response skyR.

Isn't it possible in theory to get two components so closely matched that you're not really bound by either?

And sometimes you can pretty clearly say a configuration doesn't make sense, for example putting a 6450 with a i7-3960X.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 05 2012 19:46 GMT
#2416
On May 06 2012 04:39 StarDrive wrote:
Thanks for the response skyR.

Isn't it possible in theory to get two components so closely matched that you're not really bound by either?

And sometimes you can pretty clearly say a configuration doesn't make sense, for example putting a 6450 with a i7-3960X.


It's possible in theory, for specific applications. But the second you play something besides the one you perfectly balanced for, boom, you're bottlenecked.
StarDrive
Profile Joined September 2010
90 Posts
May 05 2012 19:51 GMT
#2417
On May 06 2012 04:46 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 04:39 StarDrive wrote:
Thanks for the response skyR.

Isn't it possible in theory to get two components so closely matched that you're not really bound by either?

And sometimes you can pretty clearly say a configuration doesn't make sense, for example putting a 6450 with a i7-3960X.


It's possible in theory, for specific applications. But the second you play something besides the one you perfectly balanced for, boom, you're bottlenecked.


That makes sense. Shouldn't it be possible to say roughly how bottlenecked you are when it's not perfectly balanced? Like in the absurd example I gave you can pretty confidently say you'll be GPU bound in most cases. Is it that the 6850 and 2500k are too similar to be able to draw useful conclusions?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 19:57:01
May 05 2012 19:54 GMT
#2418
On May 06 2012 04:51 StarDrive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 04:46 JingleHell wrote:
On May 06 2012 04:39 StarDrive wrote:
Thanks for the response skyR.

Isn't it possible in theory to get two components so closely matched that you're not really bound by either?

And sometimes you can pretty clearly say a configuration doesn't make sense, for example putting a 6450 with a i7-3960X.


It's possible in theory, for specific applications. But the second you play something besides the one you perfectly balanced for, boom, you're bottlenecked.


That makes sense. Shouldn't it be possible to say roughly how bottlenecked you are when it's not perfectly balanced? Like in the absurd example I gave you can pretty confidently say you'll be GPU bound in most cases. Is it that the 6850 and 2500k are too similar to be able to draw useful conclusions?


No, it's that they do completely different things, so based on the game, you'll be bottlenecked by different things. Different things games need to do are done by your CPU and your GPU, so depending on that game's specific balance between requirements on the two, CPU threading, resolution, AA/AF, texture depth, texture resolution, AI, pathing, hard and soft physics. They all require different things, every game has different amounts of them, done different ways.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 05 2012 19:55 GMT
#2419
Maybe with an ancient game.

Most people don't have a 3960x with a 6450. If they do than chances are it's not for gaming and they would still be bound by having a hex core instead of an octo core.

In most (all) cases, getting something better will always improve performance so concerning yourself with bottlenecks is really silly. You should instead focus on what you want to do and if the components will satisfy that need.
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 20:00:19
May 05 2012 19:58 GMT
#2420
On May 06 2012 04:51 StarDrive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 04:46 JingleHell wrote:
On May 06 2012 04:39 StarDrive wrote:
Thanks for the response skyR.

Isn't it possible in theory to get two components so closely matched that you're not really bound by either?

And sometimes you can pretty clearly say a configuration doesn't make sense, for example putting a 6450 with a i7-3960X.


It's possible in theory, for specific applications. But the second you play something besides the one you perfectly balanced for, boom, you're bottlenecked.


That makes sense. Shouldn't it be possible to say roughly how bottlenecked you are when it's not perfectly balanced? Like in the absurd example I gave you can pretty confidently say you'll be GPU bound in most cases. Is it that the 6850 and 2500k are too similar to be able to draw useful conclusions?



2500k doesnt have problems in any normal games. only really cpu heavy ones like sc2 are limited by cpu before gpu in some situations.
the 6850 on the other hand is a rather low tier card nowadays that has problems with all kinds of games in high settings & resultions.

so if thats what you mean then yeah, a 6850 is def the weak part that will almost always slow you down.


just say what your budget,resultion and planned games are and people will tell you what card you should get.
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