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StarDrive
Profile Joined September 2010
90 Posts
May 05 2012 19:59 GMT
#2421
On May 06 2012 04:54 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 04:51 StarDrive wrote:
On May 06 2012 04:46 JingleHell wrote:
On May 06 2012 04:39 StarDrive wrote:
Thanks for the response skyR.

Isn't it possible in theory to get two components so closely matched that you're not really bound by either?

And sometimes you can pretty clearly say a configuration doesn't make sense, for example putting a 6450 with a i7-3960X.


It's possible in theory, for specific applications. But the second you play something besides the one you perfectly balanced for, boom, you're bottlenecked.


That makes sense. Shouldn't it be possible to say roughly how bottlenecked you are when it's not perfectly balanced? Like in the absurd example I gave you can pretty confidently say you'll be GPU bound in most cases. Is it that the 6850 and 2500k are too similar to be able to draw useful conclusions?


No, it's that they do completely different things, so based on the game, you'll be bottlenecked by different things.


Thanks for the quick answers. On an unrelated note, is Passmark reliable for gpu benchmarks? It seems many of the benchmarks they give do not line up with what people say. For example they say the 6850 is 15% better than the GTX 460 but reviews I've read online say the cards are similar.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 05 2012 19:59 GMT
#2422
Lol no. Passmark is absolute garbage.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 05 2012 20:01 GMT
#2423
On May 06 2012 04:59 StarDrive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 04:54 JingleHell wrote:
On May 06 2012 04:51 StarDrive wrote:
On May 06 2012 04:46 JingleHell wrote:
On May 06 2012 04:39 StarDrive wrote:
Thanks for the response skyR.

Isn't it possible in theory to get two components so closely matched that you're not really bound by either?

And sometimes you can pretty clearly say a configuration doesn't make sense, for example putting a 6450 with a i7-3960X.


It's possible in theory, for specific applications. But the second you play something besides the one you perfectly balanced for, boom, you're bottlenecked.


That makes sense. Shouldn't it be possible to say roughly how bottlenecked you are when it's not perfectly balanced? Like in the absurd example I gave you can pretty confidently say you'll be GPU bound in most cases. Is it that the 6850 and 2500k are too similar to be able to draw useful conclusions?


No, it's that they do completely different things, so based on the game, you'll be bottlenecked by different things.


Thanks for the quick answers. On an unrelated note, is Passmark reliable for gpu benchmarks? It seems many of the benchmarks they give do not line up with what people say. For example they say the 6850 is 15% better than the GTX 460 but reviews I've read online say the cards are similar.


Passmark is an excellent pass/fail benchmark.

Anybody who relies on it has failed the benchmark, and should never give tech advice.
StarDrive
Profile Joined September 2010
90 Posts
May 05 2012 20:04 GMT
#2424
Thanks for the responses all. Super quick. Much appreciated.
IceFire
Profile Joined January 2011
United States183 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 21:18:49
May 05 2012 21:16 GMT
#2425
My computer keeps turning off randomly. There is no warning and it doesn't seem to happen when I'm doing something in particular. It has happened when I'm playing games, both SC2 and LoL, as well as when i'm simply browsing the internet. The only information i've gotten from searches is that the power supply may be failing, but i'm not sure that that is it. Do you guys have any way to know what is causing it or what I can do to fix it.

Specs:
CPU: AMD Athlon II x4 645
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3
RAM: 4GB Corsair
Graphics Card: ATI 5770
PSU: Corsair 750w

Thanks
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 21:17:45
May 05 2012 21:17 GMT
#2426
If it's randomly turning off, chances are high that it's the power supply or a component overheating.
IceFire
Profile Joined January 2011
United States183 Posts
May 05 2012 21:19 GMT
#2427
On May 06 2012 06:17 skyR wrote:
If it's randomly turning off, chances are high that it's the power supply or a component overheating.


Is there a way to find out if one of these are the problem for sure?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 05 2012 21:20 GMT
#2428
On May 06 2012 06:19 IceFire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 06:17 skyR wrote:
If it's randomly turning off, chances are high that it's the power supply or a component overheating.


Is there a way to find out if one of these are the problem for sure?


You can swap in a PSU that you know works and see if it still happens. Otherwise, you can only go for reasonable guess.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 05 2012 21:23 GMT
#2429
You can check temperatures using HWMonitor. Only way of finding out if it's PSU problem is replacing the unit.
IceFire
Profile Joined January 2011
United States183 Posts
May 05 2012 21:34 GMT
#2430
With HWMonitor the CPU temps are about 28 C but for the graphics card its at 89 C which doesn't seem like it's supposed to be that high. Also for the Motherboard there are 3 temps, 35 C, 39 C, and 81 C. Is that normal, because it doesn't seem like it is?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 05 2012 21:35 GMT
#2431
On May 06 2012 06:34 IceFire wrote:
With HWMonitor the CPU temps are about 28 C but for the graphics card its at 89 C which doesn't seem like it's supposed to be that high. Also for the Motherboard there are 3 temps, 35 C, 39 C, and 81 C. Is that normal, because it doesn't seem like it is?


You're clearly not testing properly. What are you using to stress?
IceFire
Profile Joined January 2011
United States183 Posts
May 05 2012 21:38 GMT
#2432
On May 06 2012 06:35 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 06:34 IceFire wrote:
With HWMonitor the CPU temps are about 28 C but for the graphics card its at 89 C which doesn't seem like it's supposed to be that high. Also for the Motherboard there are 3 temps, 35 C, 39 C, and 81 C. Is that normal, because it doesn't seem like it is?


You're clearly not testing properly. What are you using to stress?


I'm sorry but I'm not sure I understand what you mean. I'm not using anything to stress my computer, i'm simply on TL trying to figure this out. Sorry'
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 05 2012 21:39 GMT
#2433
If it's 81c sitting at desktop than yes that is too hot. You need to make sure the fan on the GPU is spinning and clear the dust out of the GPU heatsink.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 05 2012 21:47 GMT
#2434
On May 06 2012 06:38 IceFire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 06:35 JingleHell wrote:
On May 06 2012 06:34 IceFire wrote:
With HWMonitor the CPU temps are about 28 C but for the graphics card its at 89 C which doesn't seem like it's supposed to be that high. Also for the Motherboard there are 3 temps, 35 C, 39 C, and 81 C. Is that normal, because it doesn't seem like it is?


You're clearly not testing properly. What are you using to stress?


I'm sorry but I'm not sure I understand what you mean. I'm not using anything to stress my computer, i'm simply on TL trying to figure this out. Sorry'


Yeah, what skyR said. Clean that puppy, then report idle temps again. Clean your CPU heatsink while you're at it just for shits n giggles. Once your idle temps don't sound like Chernobyl, we'll have you stress test and get temps under load, and if they're still good, see if it keeps crashing. It may or may not, depending on whether you've got permanent damage from temps.
IceFire
Profile Joined January 2011
United States183 Posts
May 05 2012 23:24 GMT
#2435
The temps haven't changed at all -_-
What should I do now? Or am I screwed?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 05 2012 23:25 GMT
#2436
On May 06 2012 08:24 IceFire wrote:
The temps haven't changed at all -_-
What should I do now? Or am I screwed?


Did you clean the graphics card out properly? Like with a can of air, multiple directions through the heatsink? Or did you just blow on it like a classic NES cartridge?
IceFire
Profile Joined January 2011
United States183 Posts
May 05 2012 23:28 GMT
#2437
I cleaned it out properly just like you said. I am pretty sure I cleaned it out as efficiently as possible.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 05 2012 23:29 GMT
#2438
How can the graphics card be at 89c idle? I mean... even passive without fans should cool better than that O_O Make sure that the fan is plugged in if the card has something like that and clean the dust... keep the case open and see if the fan spins, if it doesn't RMA it if it's under warranty
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 23:31:38
May 05 2012 23:31 GMT
#2439
On May 06 2012 08:28 IceFire wrote:
I cleaned it out properly just like you said. I am pretty sure I cleaned it out as efficiently as possible.


If it's still in warranty, go for an RMA. If it isn't you can try re-pasting the GPU.

You can also try using something like MSI afterburner to set up custom fan profiles if it's not in warranty, try to keep it from exploding. But if it's idling at 80+, and crashes without being in a 3D application sometimes, it's probably already suffered permanent damage from heat.
moltenlead
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada866 Posts
May 05 2012 23:42 GMT
#2440
I have a pretty noobish question.

Does the OS attempt to store entire programs into the RAM to access the files more quickly if there was sufficient space free in the RAM?

The more specific scenario that I'm looking at: I have just ordered a laptop with 16gb of RAM (It was a $20 upgrade over the 8gb, so I decided to grab it since I wouldn't find it cheaper elsewhere) and I was wondering whether for games like Diablo 3 the OS would attempt to move as many game files as possible into the RAM for faster level loading times? I don't want to put it on my SSD because a 128gb drive gets eaten up very quickly with 12gb installs, but I would still like some decent loading times.
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