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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 02 2014 18:07 GMT
#3741
Ah, do you have a Xornet, cyro?
maru lover forever
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20324 Posts
October 02 2014 21:23 GMT
#3742
Yea because i couldn't find anything better for osu (sensor and shell)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
guitarizt
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
October 04 2014 21:41 GMT
#3743
Have you tried cm recon cyro? My cm spawn is amazing, but the shape is too fat for me. I'm loving my g9x with no shell now, but I'm curious about the recon.
“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.” - Hemingway
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20324 Posts
October 04 2014 22:33 GMT
#3744
It's a 4000dpi 3090 so i have not, apparently that's the worst (or one of the worst) setups for bad input smoothing
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
guitarizt
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-05 00:04:27
October 04 2014 23:21 GMT
#3745
I just dl'ed osu! and it's fun. I've noticed I'm way more accurate with the small shell on my g9x versus no shell. I went back to playing age of kings and the same thing happens where I feel more accurate with the shell on, but I do better with it off. I think it's because my reaction times are better with it off and it's worth the trade for accuracy.

<second edit>

Nevermind, I just watched that insane video below cyro posted. It might just be muscle memory. I guess I should get used to shell on?
“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.” - Hemingway
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20324 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-04 23:36:22
October 04 2014 23:31 GMT
#3746
On October 05 2014 08:21 guitarizt wrote:
I just dl'ed osu! and it's amazing. This is way better mouse practice than playing age of kings. I've already noticed I feel and do way better in osu! with the small shell on my g9x than with no shell. I'm not sure how so many people use no shell. It would be faster for splitting units, but with age of kings there's no need for super fast splits like in sc2.


Try to catch up to me in 6-9 months.. if you're a good enough study, it should be doable :D

+ Show Spoiler +


^1:45 to end :D


^whole song, but it gets faster at 1:20

I'm not using a mouse atm as my main device.. But i could have done those things with one, and there are far better players than me with mouse
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
guitarizt
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
October 05 2014 00:09 GMT
#3747
Omfg, those vids! I just edited my last post up there ^. In age of kings scouting for resources and getting economy up in the first 8 minutes is key. I'm trying to shave 8 seconds off my dark age times. A lot of players use higher dpi I think because it's so much faster to queue up actions across the map with the scout to scout the map while micro'ing villagers at home.

Military micro is more like bw. Slower units and lower dps. You have any advice for trying to find the optimal mouse settings? I'm thinking shell on with g9x and practicing osu! while gradually increasing dpi?
“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.” - Hemingway
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20324 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-05 00:50:16
October 05 2014 00:38 GMT
#3748
I suggest just taking the vertical height of your screen (so 1080 on 1920x1080), making that your DPI and then just training to make your hand physically extremely fast. Above 800 or so you won't actually be able to move across the screen any faster once you're trained, unless you can just hit an area that's as big as a quarter of the screen

Alternatively, buy a Wacom CTL-480 and become true overlord of the peasants :D

I play stuff like this to train my hand and lower arm to be fast, i like doing things like this when some people say that they "can't be done" and they're complaining that their 5x higher sensitivity is too slow for it. Open your mind and learn speed, instead of trying to learn the necessary accuracy after using way too much DPI :D

+ Show Spoiler +
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
guitarizt
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
October 05 2014 00:50 GMT
#3749
Interesting, I've been messing around with a few dpi settings and kept going back to 1k dpi on 1920x1080 with 6/11 in windows and reg fix for no acceleration.

I'll keep playing like this to get speed up. I've tried my mico, but I'm just the most accurate with the g9x with small shell by at least 10% in osu. It's funny because I've barely used it so it's not because I'm used to it, either. It feels similar to the cm spawn without that bulge on the right side of the mouse.

I just started installed a couple of song packs. This game is great.
“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.” - Hemingway
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
October 05 2014 19:12 GMT
#3750
aoe2 isnt that micro intensive, you generally use patrol commands on unit blocks.
I guess i would go for accuracy, you really dont need any reflexes apart from patrol commanding a unit in the general direction of the enemy asap.



Cyro where is this accuracy graph from from last page, are there more like that?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20324 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-05 21:47:43
October 05 2014 21:47 GMT
#3751
On October 06 2014 04:12 LaNague wrote:
aoe2 isnt that micro intensive, you generally use patrol commands on unit blocks.
I guess i would go for accuracy, you really dont need any reflexes apart from patrol commanding a unit in the general direction of the enemy asap.



Cyro where is this accuracy graph from from last page, are there more like that?


I'm not entirely sure how it's measured, but tl;dr everything decent is pretty close to 1:1 with maybe 1-2% variance, aside from a few problem sensors (9500, 9800) which are as much as ~5-8%
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-06 23:04:50
October 06 2014 23:02 GMT
#3752
guess he build a device that can push a mouse around at a certain speed for a certain distance and then has a program that measures the pixles moved.Maybe he even made the device communicate with the program, wouldnt be too hard and would remove acceleration stuff without any human made errors.

If you do that a few times you get that nice graph.

guitarizt
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
October 07 2014 15:00 GMT
#3753
On October 06 2014 04:12 LaNague wrote:
aoe2 isnt that micro intensive, you generally use patrol commands on unit blocks.
I guess i would go for accuracy, you really dont need any reflexes apart from patrol commanding a unit in the general direction of the enemy asap.



Cyro where is this accuracy graph from from last page, are there more like that?


Believe me, I hate micro, but aoc is incredibly micro intensive. It's far better to micro small groups of units than to patrol.

Viper is one of the best players with archer micro and he has +1 range and +1 attack here, but you can see from 11:50 to 13:30 how much damage he does with better micro. He gets far enough ahead where it was enough to win the game if all else is equal.

“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.” - Hemingway
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
October 07 2014 18:08 GMT
#3754
AoC thingy



+ Show Spoiler +

Maybe its different now, but when i played there wasnt toooo much micro, and i was pretty good at the game and played with people the The_Sheriff, arch vile with his funny strategies that cracked me up every time, pG_Fire the 13 year old prodigy or Juzam_Aoegod with his 13 minutes castle strategies, fast_doc an old german player who could beat any of the pros on any map with gamepseed slow.....and many more personalities.



/namedrop off


sorry :D
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20324 Posts
October 07 2014 21:08 GMT
#3755
That looks like something i'd use low DPI for :D

High is for when you're snapping across screen every half second and dont care about selecting small targets
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 08 2014 05:15 GMT
#3756
On October 08 2014 00:00 guitarizt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2014 04:12 LaNague wrote:
aoe2 isnt that micro intensive, you generally use patrol commands on unit blocks.
I guess i would go for accuracy, you really dont need any reflexes apart from patrol commanding a unit in the general direction of the enemy asap.



Cyro where is this accuracy graph from from last page, are there more like that?


Believe me, I hate micro, but aoc is incredibly micro intensive. It's far better to micro small groups of units than to patrol.

Viper is one of the best players with archer micro and he has +1 range and +1 attack here, but you can see from 11:50 to 13:30 how much damage he does with better micro. He gets far enough ahead where it was enough to win the game if all else is equal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjivI3-wmOc&list=UUhOSBHAdhDG8J0yGHJrPoNQ#t=11m50s


That was such a treat to watch.
maru lover forever
guitarizt
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
October 08 2014 16:28 GMT
#3757
On October 08 2014 03:08 LaNague wrote:
AoC thingy



+ Show Spoiler +

Maybe its different now, but when i played there wasnt toooo much micro, and i was pretty good at the game and played with people the The_Sheriff, arch vile with his funny strategies that cracked me up every time, pG_Fire the 13 year old prodigy or Juzam_Aoegod with his 13 minutes castle strategies, fast_doc an old german player who could beat any of the pros on any map with gamepseed slow.....and many more personalities.



/namedrop off


sorry :D


I think the sheriff is ancient compared to where the game is now, but I may be wrong. Back when sheriff played I think it was like the equivalent of vanilla starcraft 1. I haven't heard of the other players. AOC was broken before userpatch 1.4 came out, which was kind of like the patch that came out for bw that nerfed zerg rush.

I found out about voobly and competitive aoc play in may, and I was shocked how far the game has come since I quit playing on zone maybe ten years ago now.
“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.” - Hemingway
guitarizt
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
October 08 2014 16:43 GMT
#3758
On October 08 2014 06:08 Cyro wrote:
That looks like something i'd use low DPI for :D

High is for when you're snapping across screen every half second and dont care about selecting small targets


There is a lot of multitask between balancing eco at home while micro'ing, and later on there's a lot more raiding going on once you get past the small unit stage. Viper in that video is extremely helpful. He's even given out his hotkey file before. He uses a deathadder with 2k dpi and 6/11 sensitivity in windows.

I've started using my mico with 800 dpi after practicing more with osu!. My scores were higher right away when I started using it, and I've used 800 dpi with my g9x. I think the fatter grip helps me keep my hand and wrist steadier.
“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.” - Hemingway
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
October 14 2014 11:10 GMT
#3759
Anyone have any experience with different hard mouse pad surfaces like glass and aluminum? I love the texture of my hard pad, but it's pretty much smooth now days. Was wondering if different mediums don't wear.
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20143 Posts
October 17 2014 13:47 GMT
#3760
Just got a g400s (whee birthday). Is there any software/settings recommended for it? I remember using set point with my mx518 and loved it.
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