Most good micro players are around 800 for sc2 i think.
but I think everyone for age of kings uses a higher dpi because it's better to have speed than accuracy
The thing is, 800dpi isn't actually very slow, it's only a couple inches for cross entire screen, so with practice you're not actually losing any time cross-screening. See this again:
You won't really notice what you don't have, but it's pretty much guaranteed if you were to practice mouse speed, accuracy and try to gain muscle memory you'd do better with lower dpi.
FPS players typically use a sens ranging from ~10cm to turn around to look behind them, to around 40cm even. That depends a lot on the player, and some people use like ultra high sensitivities where they can turn around in only ~3-5cm of movement
I think I actually fixed my faulty mouse scroll :D
Great thing about cheap mice is that you're allowed to take 'em apart. It was the axe from the wheel itself that slipping from the sensor. So, some super-glue (or w/e it's called), some scraping here, some scraping there, rolling the wheel around on the desk so as to get rid of defaults, it seems I have a functional mouse wheel again.
I feel so gosu.
I think people with broken mice shouldn't be afraid of opening it up and trying to tweak it. For mice that are too cheap to warrant shipping it for RMA, that is.
You're right cyro. 2k dpi felt ok, but I wasn't able to micro as well in fast engagements. I tried 800 dpi, but it felt a tad too slow. I'm at 1k dpi, and I've been sticking with this for a while now. I love being able to change the dpi in 50 dpi step increments with the g9x.
I got the mico the other day, but at this point I'm too used to the g9x shape. The mico feels great, though. I'm impressed with the quality. It looks much better in person.
I'm currently using a quite old Razer DeathAdder (3.5g). Due to age, the left mouse button now occasionally double clicks at the end of drag and hold. Razer has also moved to an always online driver which I'm morally opposed to (although I could just use defaults). So it needs to be replaced.
1. What's your grip style? Palm/Claw hybrid. I would probably be using palm if possible but I have really long fingers and even the DeathAdder gives me no choice but to hold the mouse mostly with knuckles and claw my fingers to the buttons.
2. What's your sensitivity? Currently fairly high, but not critically important.
3. What's your maximum budget? Around AUD$100.
4. Do you want additional buttons? Probably about 2-3 bonus buttons would be handy. I wouldn't use them for any complicated macros or anything though.
5. What games do you play? The most mouse dependent game I play is SC2 (and I guess MOBA), I rarely play FPS to a high enough level for it to matter.
6. Do you mind angle snapping? I don't think so. FPS related guides seem to treat angle snapping like the black death, but I don't think it makes much difference for RTS, does it?
7. Other relevant information: The more I've been looking around, the more I seem to be thinking that I really just want another DeathAdder, not made by Razer and maybe a bit longer. On the plus side, it seems like most companies have a DeathAdder clone. However, DeathAdders seem to already be about as long as any mouse gets. Between SteelSeries Kinzu, Zowie AM, CM Alcor, Roccat Kone and the laser mice of each of these companies (the SS Sensei especially), the main differences seem to be colour scheme and marketing gimmicks.
Are there any other good mice in this style to look out for, and are any of the ones I listed surprisingly bad?
Also are there any Australian retailers that have display models of these levels of mice so that I could try out the feel of them?
There's rarely mice on display here in the usa for gaming. If there is it's a very limited selection.
It was insanely hard for me to get used to a diff mouse shape. I'd say it was 25-35 hours of gaming time for me to go from a logitech mini optical to g9x and have it feel natural. I tried going back to the mini optical and mico after g9x, but it felt weird. I even notice the difference between the mini optical and mico which are soooo close to each other in size.
I'm currently using a quite old Razer DeathAdder (3.5g). Due to age, the left mouse button now occasionally double clicks at the end of drag and hold. Razer has also moved to an always online driver which I'm morally opposed to (although I could just use defaults). So it needs to be replaced.
1. What's your grip style? Palm/Claw hybrid. I would probably be using palm if possible but I have really long fingers and even the DeathAdder gives me no choice but to hold the mouse mostly with knuckles and claw my fingers to the buttons.
2. What's your sensitivity? Currently fairly high, but not critically important.
3. What's your maximum budget? Around AUD$100.
4. Do you want additional buttons? Probably about 2-3 bonus buttons would be handy. I wouldn't use them for any complicated macros or anything though.
5. What games do you play? The most mouse dependent game I play is SC2 (and I guess MOBA), I rarely play FPS to a high enough level for it to matter.
6. Do you mind angle snapping? I don't think so. FPS related guides seem to treat angle snapping like the black death, but I don't think it makes much difference for RTS, does it?
7. Other relevant information: The more I've been looking around, the more I seem to be thinking that I really just want another DeathAdder, not made by Razer and maybe a bit longer. On the plus side, it seems like most companies have a DeathAdder clone. However, DeathAdders seem to already be about as long as any mouse gets. Between SteelSeries Kinzu, Zowie AM, CM Alcor, Roccat Kone and the laser mice of each of these companies (the SS Sensei especially), the main differences seem to be colour scheme and marketing gimmicks.
Are there any other good mice in this style to look out for, and are any of the ones I listed surprisingly bad?
Also are there any Australian retailers that have display models of these levels of mice so that I could try out the feel of them?
As bigg-ish ergonomic mice, the Steelseries Rival and the Mionix naos 7000 are both good choices as far as I know. The steelseries drivers kind of suck but I don't think they require a login, don't know about the mionix but they should be standard. They both have a flawless sensor, you just need to check the shapes.
We have a new local store that actually had the foresight to display some of those gaming mice. I tried out the Roccat Kone XTD and despite recently havuing bought a new mouse, i instantly bought it.
It is quite large and heavy compared to my Xornet, but it has the best shape for my hands i have ever seen, i can grip it in a lot of comfortable ways. With the sensei i always struggled to find a useable grip every 15 mins. Plus, it works flawlessly on my cloth pad, something that the sensei can not do.
The coating is some magical material that feels like sex, its super slippery and smooth until you start using it and then it provides perfect grip.
Might just be me preferring large mice, though. i looked at my past mice and discovered that m first mouse when i was a really good AoE2 player was quite big. Then i somehow became "mouse conscious" and went for smaller and smaller mice, looking for increased performance.
The Kone XTD is almost double the size of the xornet.
123g is ok for a big mouse, shape is very subjective but ew sensor. It's still surprising to me that people put these sensors in these kinds of mice - there are far better sensors in things like the Xornet at only 20 euros. Not nearly as customizable, but lacking massive tracking flaws. It's close to 1:1, doesn't have horrific angle snapping and there's nothing in particular wrong with it - something that so many mid to high range mice still fail terribly trying to achieve.
There was a coolermaster rep on OCN recently talking about how it was only tech savvy people complaining of a ~5-7% tracking inconsistency with those sensors, and that it didn't actually matter for their main target audience (who play less counterstrike, more mobas/rts) or affect performance much - as justification for using it for "high end" mice. I think it's extremely silly to judge an input device based on its uses where input is not as important, LoL for example is quite easy to play almost as well as normal even without muscle memory, but osu or counterstrike will simply not work without it. It's like judging a graphics tablet based on the drawing of a 5 year old, or sc2 balance from plat league players, it just doesn't make any sense. I hope one day we finally get over this and actually have some standards for tracking, and people are not considered a niche and needy market when they point out fatal flaws like that for high level mouse users who are looking for tools, not toys.
I spoke to a cm storm rep at dreamhack last weekend, I'm at little sad that I forgot to ask him if there were plans for a spawn/xornet v2. Does anyone here know anything about it? Or if zowie is planning on releasing a update to their non-fk mice.
I think they said they planned on releasing their spawn v2 (I remember reading something about it, with a picture of a black spawn shell, but I can't recall the details ). Don't know about a new mico though, they renewed the FK recently.
On October 02 2014 05:18 Nimix wrote: I think they said they planned on releasing their spawn v2 (I remember reading something about it, with a picture of a black spawn shell, but I can't recall the details ). Don't know about a new mico though, they renewed the FK recently.
Yea they released a picture of a spawn v2 with black shell but that was like 8 months ago. I hope they don't continue the drama about using mediocre sensors in their highest end mouse for good shells that people wanted -and they asked for a lot of community feedback in the process of making- like the Mizar
the one problem i have with the xornet (apart from really liking the kone shape a lot more) is the DPi steps.
Its missing a step between the 2nd and the 3rd in my opinion, i have the choice between "a bit too slow to edgescroll easily" and "so high, youll miss everything"
Anyways, im not playing OSU, i didnt notice any glaring flaws with my the sensor. Once i get used to my new DPi, ill test it a bit, right now i still have the old DPI in my hand memory, so i wouldnt know if any misses are from some acceleration or not.
I agree on the DPI steps, that's the main problem. You have to use them or filter input to scale sens and drop counts, but it's still consistent
the problem with those other mice isn't acceleration, it's just raw inconsistency. You can move the same distance twice at two different speeds and move 100 pixels one time and 107 pixels the next. It's not a linear or even an exponential curve, it's essentially random unless you are a robot.
The speeds hit in moba are usually around ~0.1m/s to 1m/s or so
Hey guys I had a quick question.Haven't been following all the new mice that have came out lately so thought this would be the best place to ask. I used to have a razor salmosa which i loved up until the left click wore out. The next mouse I got after that was the g100s since it had similarities to the salmosa in shape and size. I've noticed some problems lately with the left click on this mouse and was wondering if I should just replace it with another g100s or if there was a better mouse out there that has a similar shape and size like it or the salmosa. Just a small note I tried the abyssus once but returned it because I was unable to set it to 800 dpi so the new mouse has to be able to use 800 dpi or something close.
You should still have warranty for the G100s. You might want to ask Logitech support what they think about your problem as they might replace your mouse.
If you scroll down, you get to the results picture: link
If you look at the mice with the shortest delay, all Logitech gaming mice are over there. They are configured for lowest possible delay and no other manufacturer really does that (at least not consistently). This is great, but that might also be what's causing people to often report problems with the buttons. If the switches weren't good enough quality, the mouse might start to fail while those crappy 20 ms delay mice would perhaps still work. I hope that's just bad luck.
That's why I'd suggest to not think about other mice if you are currently happy with your G100s.
They are configured for lowest possible delay and no other manufacturer really does that (at least not consistently). This is great, but that might also be what's causing people to often report problems with the buttons.
The xornet has two different firmwares like 10ms apart on mouse click delay, but the faster one occasionally doubleclicks for me, it's pretty cool to have that option
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). Don't know about a new mico though, they renewed the FK recently.![[image loading]](http://cdn.overclock.net/d/d8/500x1000px-LL-d8774140_belsqdbh6ng4hh0nr.gif)
