EPTThe Ultimate Mouse Thread - Page 185
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IMLyte
Canada714 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
Muscle memory is the most important thing for controlling cursor how you want to and that's formed by consistent action (sensitivity, posture etc) and lowering sensitivity. Acceleration makes muscle memory extremely difficult to form and easy to throw off (if your hand is moving the same distance slightly slower one day, your aim will be off and it won't be fixable) sens stuff~ + Show Spoiler + For sens, it's very difficult to argue against a mouse sens that takes 1 inch of movement to cross top to bottom of your screen, so that's 1080dpi (or 1000) on 1920x1080 but some people go up/down from that. This is all assuming you're running at 1:1 (so 1000 counts from your mouse means 1000 pixels moved) which should be the case, as long as windows is at 6/11 sensitivity setting (middle) and there is no positive/negative acceleration, games are set not to mess with your sensitivity etc a good mouse player (@750dpi, 1080p) | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
I currently have a mouse which is 1600 dpi which I got like €6 at a local supermarket. it's a nice enough mouse but the scrolling wheel is annoyingly bad (it just doesn't work, lul). the other qualm with the mouse that I have is that when clicking really small stuff (like the page 1 or page 2 links on TL), i have to slow down and really concentrate to click it. so i'm guessing i need higher dpi than 1600, since using windows to artificially increase cursor speed makes me lose precision? when playing sc2, it's fine for clicking scvs since those are big enough to click instantly for example, but anything smaller becomes a tad annoying. is it possible that I'm just not used to such a sensitive mouse though? i used an 800 dpi mouse for years. i think i need more than 1600 dpi. actually the mouse is a blue tick http://www.ngs.eu/en/technology/mice/blue-tick/386/6/ it says 800/1600 dpi, so i'm guessing they just use a 800 dpi sensor and multiply input by 2 to get 1600 dpi? so the sensor isn't truly 1600 dpi? so i'm kind of on the market for a new mouse. i'm looking for something with the following features, if possible: - €15 is max budget. anything over that just isn't worth it imo, the mouse i currently have is €6 - more than 1600 dpi please? 2400-2500 maybe? or true 1600 dpi? i'm looking to be able to scroll from one edge of a 1080p to the next without lifting my hand. at 1600 dpi on my current mouse, this is possible. would be nice to do this at 1440p as well, and obviously i'd like a nicely precise cursor - a comfortable mouse wheel (or just one that works, lul) - something ultra reliable. ultra, ultra reliable. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
when clicking really small stuff (like the page 1 or page 2 links on TL), i have to slow down and really concentrate to click it. when playing sc2, it's fine for clicking scvs since those are big enough to click instantly for example, but anything smaller becomes a tad annoying. Are you using higher than 6/11 in windows (or higher than 51-54% in sc2) to multiply further than 1600dpi? Do you have enhanced pointer precision disabled? Those are obvious signs of using -too much- DPI, not too little | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On September 11 2014 18:14 Cyro wrote: Are you using higher than 6/11 in windows (or higher than 51-54% in sc2) to multiply further than 1600dpi? Do you have enhanced pointer precision disabled? Those are obvious signs of using -too much- DPI, not too little I'm 7/11 in windows, 67% in starcraft and I don't have enhanced pointer precision. At 1600 dpi that is? Should I be using slightly lower settings? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
if you care about mouse accuracy at all there's basically no reason to use over 1000 for that resolution as far as i see it It's also pretty arbitrary what you consider to be lifting or moving the hand, i've seen multiple people using >5k dpi 1:1 asking for higher because they were "moving their hand too much" | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Going from 7/11 to 6/11 seems to improve accuracy a bit, I guess and I can still not move the mouse too much to click things. So that's relatively OK. I'm not sure not sure what gets me high cursor speed without sacrificing accuracy at low speeds too much. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
I'm not sure not sure what gets me high cursor speed without sacrificing accuracy at low speeds too much. Nothing will, you will always be less accurate from using an excessively high sens or less fast from an excessively low sens the trick is finding one as low as possible that doesn't limit you speed-wise i think. But i spend like 5-10 hours a week training cursor accuracy since a year and a half ago so i don't like to make compromises there because of weird ideas of what was comfortable (it all becomes comfortable with a little usage, in my experience) | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
I guess I'll just work on getting used to the mouse then, if that's all that needs to be done. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + i also have an irrational fear of high sensitivity after using 3200dpi for way too long ;p | ||
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
On September 11 2014 21:05 Incognoto wrote: Your hand must be flying around the mouse-pad, I guess. All that Osu! huh. I guess I'll just work on getting used to the mouse then, if that's all that needs to be done. I can cross my 1080p screen without lifting my hand at 800 dpi too, around 1K should do the trick for you, and you'll gain in precision once you get used to it. Also, maybe you should try buying a more expensive mouse or at least try one, you might like the difference in sensor quality. My limited experience with cheap mice was pretty terrible, incredible inconsistency and pixel skipping everywhere :< | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
@Nimix, yeh I think it's a matter of getting used to it. however, as you say, I have never used a "quality" mouse before, just relied on my old IBM business something mouse (800 dpi) which was nice but I wanted to try something faster. I got this €6 which is actually quite nice, if only because it cost me next to nothing. I've heard that good mice can be found for €15-20, so I'm considering looking for a decent €15 for myself and give €6 mouse I have right now to my younger siblings. That, or I can just get used to this mouse that I have right now that I'm relatively happy with. I'm just doing research, I guess. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On September 11 2014 22:20 Incognoto wrote: Haha Cyro, what happened with the 3200 dpi? wrist issues? @Nimix, yeh I think it's a matter of getting used to it. however, as you say, I have never used a "quality" mouse before, just relied on my old IBM business something mouse (800 dpi) which was nice but I wanted to try something faster. I got this €6 which is actually quite nice, if only because it cost me next to nothing. I've heard that good mice can be found for €15-20, so I'm considering looking for a decent €15 for myself and give €6 mouse I have right now to my younger siblings. That, or I can just get used to this mouse that I have right now that I'm relatively happy with. I'm just doing research, I guess. Here's a British guy recommending stuff that's alright and cheap where he lives: http://www.esreality.com/post/2640507/lowest-price-bestest-mice/ | ||
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FLORIDACOMPACT
Germany108 Posts
On September 09 2014 11:10 EdenPLusDucky wrote: 1. What's your grip style? fingertip/claw 2. What's your sensitivity? 1200 dpi 3. What's your maximum budget? 100 USD 4. Do you want additional buttons? no 5. What games do you play? sc2 6. Do you mind angle snapping? yes 7. Other relevant information: I've owned a Razer Abyssus for 3 years now and I can safely say that it sucks. The mouse is very uncomfortable to hold, it makes the area around my backhand hurt because my thumb cannot tuck itself deep enough. This also negatively affects my play by making me play slower. I want something like this http://i.imgur.com/AxjfxDg.jpg this is probably the most comfortable mouse I have ever used in my entire life, and it's also the mouse that got me to masters before I bought the Abyssus. Thanks in advance. zowie fk, zowie am or logitech g100s | ||
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guitarizt
United States1492 Posts
<edit> Today I tried a logitech M100 because it was only $10 from walmart. The shape is perfect. A slightly bigger LMO, but the buttons are hard to press. I returned it. So far the mice I have tried are: Logitech G100s: Too big. Logitech M100: Great size and dpi (1,000 dpi), but buttons too hard to press. CM Storm: I love the sensor and buttons, but it's too wide. | ||
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Demurity
United States424 Posts
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Chicken Chaser
United States533 Posts
Anyone with experience with these mice, mainly the M45 and Naos 7000, care to share your experiences with them and how you chose to pick one over the other? Thank you. | ||
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
On September 16 2014 16:32 Nimix wrote: For the record, logitech released http://gaming.logitech.com/en-us/product/g402-hyperion-fury-fps-gaming-mouse this, which looks like a lighter G502. Not sure about the main differences, just figured I'd drop it there in case you really liked the G502 case. G402 is not the 3366 pixart sensor it's the same sensor they used for the G100s but with better hardware and firmware to support it. So where the G100s is limited to flawless at 1000dpi and 500hz the G402 is flawless in steps of 400 under 2000dpi, so the G402 supports 0 smoothing flawless tracking at steps of 80dpi at 1000hz refresh rate. And 1ms of smoothing from 2000-4000dpi. The main reason to choose a G402 over a 3310 sensor mouse is the smoothing. 3310 mice have smoothing a bit more than other mice and this varies on how the firmware was set up. Not everyone would notice this though and so it's mostly a non-issue. Mostly an issue for those with 120hz or 144hz monitors though. It's a good mouse it be slightly better if it weight closer to 90g instead of it's 103g | ||
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