EPTThe Ultimate Mouse Thread - Page 186
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
so it's mostly a non issue esp for those with 120hz or 144hz monitors While 120/144hz has lower absolute latency.. it's a bigger % of total latency if an input device is slower. On 60hz my wacom tablet doesn't feel that much worse than mouse, but on 144hz it feels way worse because mouse has almost zero latency and the tablet adds a significant amount I might buy a g402 and use at 640dpi~ The steps seem to be 80 multiplied by 3 - 25x (26-50x if you apply the smoothing, but i can't think of a reason to use over 2000dpi) 240, 320, 400, 480, 560, 640, 720, 800, 880, 960, 1040, 1120, 1200, 1280, 1360, 1440, 1520, 1600, 1680, 1760, 1840, 1920, 2000 | ||
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guitarizt
United States1492 Posts
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FLORIDACOMPACT
Germany108 Posts
On September 18 2014 06:47 guitarizt wrote: G9x is amazing. It felt good right away, even with the big grip. When I tried boxing and micro'ing units it was faster to use without the grip. I got it used so it only came with the bigger one, but without the grip it's about the same size as the LMO: https://imgur.com/UTYnQs5 yeah it's really nice, used it for a long time. but what really bugged me in the end was the slight off-position of its sensor and the frequency buzzing noise, i really hated it :D logitech really needs to make a successor of the g9x imo, until then: g100s @ 450dpi for months now, never going to switch unless a new g9x comes.  | ||
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guitarizt
United States1492 Posts
On September 18 2014 23:11 FLORIDACOMPACT wrote: yeah it's really nice, used it for a long time. but what really bugged me in the end was the slight off-position of its sensor and the frequency buzzing noise, i really hated it :D logitech really needs to make a successor of the g9x imo, until then: g100s @ 450dpi for months now, never going to switch unless a new g9x comes. Do they all have a freq buzzing noise? I don't notice one on mine. I never understood the off position sensors. How do people notice? I hate the middle click being hard to press on the g9x. It's so hard to press I've had to change the last notification in age of kings to the side button, but it's so hard for me to change. Middle click has been the standard for about 15 years. The g9x definitely needs a new model. This one has been discontinued for a while now, but it's a special mouse. | ||
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flyingbangus
United States121 Posts
What gaming mouse do you folks think has the closest shape and size to the Logitech M705? I have been a Logitech M705 user for a few years now, mainly because the shape and size gives me the least amount of joint discomfort. Smaller mice, especially, tend to give me discomfort after an hour or so of gaming or work. Thank you! | ||
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
On September 19 2014 09:06 guitarizt wrote: Do they all have a freq buzzing noise? I don't notice one on mine. I never understood the off position sensors. How do people notice? I hate the middle click being hard to press on the g9x. It's so hard to press I've had to change the last notification in age of kings to the side button, but it's so hard for me to change. Middle click has been the standard for about 15 years. The g9x definitely needs a new model. This one has been discontinued for a while now, but it's a special mouse. When you sweep horizontally, the cursor will not follow an horizontal line if the sensor is off position I suppose. At least that was my problem with the CM storm spawn when playing FPS, because the grip and sensor positioning weren't suited for this kind of movement. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On September 19 2014 09:15 flyingbangus wrote: Hi folks, What gaming mouse do you folks think has the closest shape and size to the Logitech M705? I have been a Logitech M705 user for a few years now, mainly because the shape and size gives me the least amount of joint discomfort. Smaller mice, especially, tend to give me discomfort after an hour or so of gaming or work. Thank you! Just looked at pictures of the M705. Do you have both your ring finger and pinky on the right side of the mouse, or only the pinky? Perhaps look at Logitech G402, Roccat Kone Pure Military, Logitech G502 and Corsair M45. The Kone Pure Military has no one crying about possible sensor issues etc. from what I've seen, but note that there are a bunch of other mice with "kone" or "kone pure" in their name, so that exact "kone pure military" name is important. It's not small but also not large, might feel vaguely similar to your M705 when in your hand. The Logitech G402 seems like it has a similar general idea about mouse shape. It's different on the right side compared to the previous G400 (where you had only room for the pinky). I have the mouse and it feels good to me both with ring finger on the side and ring finger on the top. A big downside I see is that the cable is very stiff so finding a good position for it on the table took a while. The mouse wheel is also hard to click. The Logitech G502 has a billion features including a metal scroll wheel like on your M705. The mouse is very heavy but it's probably not worse than what you know from your mouse with battery. The Corsair M45 I'm just having a hunch that it might feel good in your hand. Found a picture with size measurements of the "Roccat Kone Pure Military": http://i.imgur.com/qqE5pl7.png | ||
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flyingbangus
United States121 Posts
Yes, I have both my ring finger and pinky on the right side of the mouse. I think what made me really like the M705 is how the shape lets the pointing finger be higher than the middle finger, and allowing the wrist to be tilted a little more clockwise - feels "natural" to me. http://imidoresc.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/logitech_m705.jpg http://img1.lesnumeriques.com/produits/33/6522/3souris1.jpg At first look, the Roccat Kone Pure Military seems to have exactly the shape that I want. I'll check the measurements and compare with the pic that you linked to. The G402 stiff cable is definitely a no-go for me. The orientation of my work/game desk will not allow for a stiff cable. I love the looks of the G502, but I'm not sure how many of the features of this "Proteus Core" is actually relevant to me LOL As for the Corsair M45, I can't tell if it raises the pointing finger like the other mice discussed. I'll look for more pics. Thanks again! I'll take a good look at the 4 you've listed. On September 19 2014 15:44 Ropid wrote: Just looked at pictures of the M705. Do you have both your ring finger and pinky on the right side of the mouse, or only the pinky? Perhaps look at Logitech G402, Roccat Kone Pure Military, Logitech G502 and Corsair M45. The Kone Pure Military has no one crying about possible sensor issues etc. from what I've seen, but note that there are a bunch of other mice with "kone" or "kone pure" in their name, so that exact "kone pure military" name is important. It's not small but also not large, might feel vaguely similar to your M705 when in your hand. The Logitech G402 seems like it has a similar general idea about mouse shape. It's different on the right side compared to the previous G400 (where you had only room for the pinky). I have the mouse and it feels good to me both with ring finger on the side and ring finger on the top. A big downside I see is that the cable is very stiff so finding a good position for it on the table took a while. The mouse wheel is also hard to click. The Logitech G502 has a billion features including a metal scroll wheel like on your M705. The mouse is very heavy but it's probably not worse than what you know from your mouse with battery. The Corsair M45 I'm just having a hunch that it might feel good in your hand. Found a picture with size measurements of the "Roccat Kone Pure Military": http://i.imgur.com/qqE5pl7.png | ||
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guitarizt
United States1492 Posts
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
maybe you just like way higher sens, but it's at least worth verifying that you are taking a 5.0x sensitivity increase, and not using negative acceleration (EPP) | ||
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guitarizt
United States1492 Posts
On September 22 2014 20:34 Nimix wrote: Did you turn off accel in both windows and logitech drivers? I don't see how you would prefer use such a high dpi compared to what you're used to :o Yeah, and I turned it off in the registry as well. I know it's weird and it doesn't make sense to me. I never would have raised the dpi so high and stuck with it for a few games, but a good age of kings player told me he uses a corsair m65 with maxed out dpi (8200 dpi) and 8/11 in windows and he wishes it was higher. My arm was sore today from using my LMO again so I figured I'd try out the g9x again with higher dpi since it was better than pain. The only thing I can think of is that if I setup my g9x to be like my LMO in speed, my muscle memory is like, "Hey, this feels weird!" I can't stand it. With a way more sensitive mouse I'm able to lightly finger tip the g9x again like the LMO or else I'd never be able to control it. The grip is more the same, but the muscle memory isn't triggered where I notice the different shape of the g9x because the movements are way more sensitive. I'll have to play some more games to know for sure, but under non-stressful situations my times have been way better than they ever were with my old mouse. Scouting is amazingly easier now too since it's easy to click to move across the screen and such since I'm not having to move all over the mouse pad. | ||
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
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guitarizt
United States1492 Posts
On September 22 2014 22:43 Nimix wrote: It's odd that you have to move your arm to do anything at 800 dpi already. Maybe you use another input device which drivers act up and modify your sensitivity? I mean if you like 2K dpi there's no reason to change, but you shouldn't need to go that high to be able to hit the screen's borders without moving your arm. I meant my old LMO was probably at 400 dpi and I had sensitivity cranked at 11/11. The g9x at sensitivity 6/11 with 800 dpi felt about the same speed. It wasn't a ton of movement, but I've been playing 8+ hrs a day. It adds up. Age of Kings doesn't let you change sensitivity in game like sc2 does. You have to do a lot of scouting at the start for sheep and boar so most players like a more sensitive mouse. | ||
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
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guitarizt
United States1492 Posts
On September 22 2014 23:05 Nimix wrote: Whatever floats your boat then, I don't know how windows sens works but Cyro may be able to tell you how much DPI would be the equivalent of 11/11@400 I would be interested in this just out of curiosity. I felt like 1k dpi seemed a bit too high, 600 dpi was a bit too low, and 800 dpi was a tad more sensitive which I wanted since my LMO was far too slow. If I had to guess, I'd say 700 dpi at 6/11 is the same as 400 dpi at 11/11. ------------------ It's funny, I was just trying different settings trying to find it at the time, but I just realized after typing this that 6/11 is 54.54%. 0.5454 * 700 dpi = 382 dpi. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
The middle position (6/11) is a factor of 1. It's a 1:1 translation of what the mouse sends as raw data to the mouse pointer. To the left and right of that 6/11 position, you start getting fractions. (5/11) is a 3/4 fraction so factor of 0.75. The (4/11) position is 1/2 so 0.5 factor, (3/11) is 1/4 so 0.25, (2/11) is 1/8 so 0.125, and the very first (1/11) notch is 1/16 so 0.0625. To the right of (6/11), I never looked up what happens there because it starts jumping over pixels. If you enable "enhanced pointer precision", the meaning of the slider changes and you can use the settings above (6/11) and still navigate to individual pixels if you move the mouse slow. EDIT: Here's the list of what the notches of the slider do: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tech-support/333648-an-overview-of-mouse-technology#xviii The last position (11/11) means a 3.5 factor, and 400 dpi times 3.5 is the same speed as 1400 dpi. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
I don't really agree with high sens for anything, but it's up to you~ i think 1 inch to vertical screen height is ~medium, 2 inches is low and 0.5 inch is high. That's 540dpi = low on 1080p 1080dpi = medium on 1080p 2160dpi = high on 1080p i see no reason to deviate from that range basically ever, because by that point you're handicapped by either lack of speed or accuracy already. You should always be at 6/11 though, unless your mouse sensor can't do a DPI anywhere remotely close to what you want, and there is no good reason to enable enhanced pointer precision (massive negative and positive acceleration) Set something in your driver or windows, whatever DPI you want, then don't use sens sliders in games, just leave them at 1.00x so they're exact same sens as desktop. It's for the best~ | ||
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guitarizt
United States1492 Posts
Anyone know what dpi settings most sc2 people like? I can see lower dpi being better because of accuracy, but I think everyone for age of kings uses a higher dpi because it's better to have speed than accuracy. I think fps people would probably need to have the opposite. I played some another eight hours with the g9x at 2k dpi, 6/11 with acceleration off in windows with reg fix, and I never once felt my mouse was to blame for poor play. My arm doesn't feel like I've been arm wresting now, either. | ||
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