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hi.
i bought a http://steelseries.com/products/mice/steelseries-sensei-raw-frost-blue mouse couple weeks ago and the problem i have with it is that it boots up my computer from shutdown (bottons 1, 2 and 3 (the push down button from the scroll button act as power on switches).
i also have a microsoft usb mouse and a logitech usb mouse and neither is booting up my computer.
usb power on is disabled in BIOS and OS.
steelseries mouse with the driver installed or without the driver installed has the same problem/does the same thing.
note: if i unplug my sensei from the usb port after shutdown, then plug it back in the same usb port, it will not power up my computer
edit: the latest firmware and driver are installed.
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In the Windows Device Manager, if you open the Properties window for the device, there's a Power Management tab at the end. Try to see what happens if you remove the check mark for "Allow this device to wake the computer".
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i have that option disabled for "Mice and other pointing devices/HID compliant mouse", "Keyboards/HID Keyboard device" and "Human Interface Devices" (OS = win7x64). it doesn't help.
Edit: i just plugged the mouse in a Toshiba laptop, on which the steelseries driver was never installed and it didn't have that problem.
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My board's BIOS has settings to configure how the PC gets started by keyboard and mouse. Those are separate from the USB power. For the keyboard, I can configure a password for example, for the mouse I can configure click or double click or disable. Perhaps look around for those other settings?
Another thing about my board and USB, the connector that's used for the USB ports on the front of the case will always provide power even when those on the back of the case are getting powered down so that you can charge your phone.
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I need a new mouse
I have been faithful to my WMO - for you who don't know. This is basically the mother of all fps mice, especially related to quake.
I need a new mouse that is medium, to small size. Cheap, and a flawless sensor. anyone?
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On May 23 2014 16:54 Ropid wrote:
My board's BIOS has settings to configure how the PC gets started by keyboard and mouse. Those are separate from the USB power. For the keyboard, I can configure a password for example, for the mouse I can configure click or double click or disable. Perhaps look around for those other settings?
Another thing about my board and USB, the connector that's used for the USB ports on the front of the case will always provide power even when those on the back of the case are getting powered down so that you can charge your phone.
i have an ASRock Z87 pro4 motherboard. everything in bios connected with an "wake on ..." thinggie is disabled.
it has other USB specific settings and i played with those too but are mostly about driver/compatibility/legacy control issues.
i also read the steelseries advice on "What should I ALWAYS do before I install a new product onto a Windows computer?"
+ Show Spoiler +What should I ALWAYS do before I install a new product onto a Windows computer?
We have a set of steps that we recommend for every user that uses SteelSeries USB products on a Windows Vista or Windows 7 computer.
1) Navigate to control panel -> power options (make sure the Control Panel window is set to large icon view in the top right of the window) High Performance should always be used when testing USB devices, but there is an additional setting that needs to be configured
2) Click on ‘change plan settings’ on the right side, next to High Performance
3) Under the ‘Put the Computer to Sleep’ dropdown box, select Never
4) Click on ‘Change advanced power settings’ – it will bring up the menu below. From there, expand the USB Settings section, expand the USB selective suspend setting, and select DISABLED. Hit apply and OK.
5)
a. Open op the device manager.
b. Uncollapse “Universal Serial Bus controllers” (USB Controller)
c. Select one of the USB Root Hubs, right-click on it and click on “Properties”.
d. Go to the tab “Power Management“ Uncheck the option “Allow the computer to turn off this device to save power“
e. Repeat c. and d. for each USB Root hub
6)Registry tweak: Enable “DisableSelectiveSuspend” in Windows 7 Link: Disable Selective Suspend
could they have added into their driver/firmware a reg editor for windows and just hijack windows defaults?
Edit: tnx for replies. i will just flash my bios and call it quits if the problem still persists 'cause i'm out of ideas.
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On May 23 2014 17:55 llIH wrote:
I need a new mouse
I have been faithful to my WMO - for you who don't know. This is basically the mother of all fps mice, especially related to quake.
I need a new mouse that is medium, to small size. Cheap, and a flawless sensor. anyone?
Kana v2 would probably suit you, it's a bit expensive but has a very good sensor and about the same shape as the WMO/1.1 intellimouse
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Kana v2 has the 4000dpi 3090 which is supposed to be the worst for smoothing/latency on the market (a lot worse than 3310 and aparantly worse than the first 9800's) and that's exactly what those microsoft mice are supposed to be really good at avoiding, so i would hesitate there
Anything 3310 should probably be good, there's not much good selection of small mice atm. Some medium's - if you don't want to be super picky about stuff like perfect control speed, some of the 3090 mice (and some sensor variants) are acceptable
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"A lot worse" has to be exaggerated. The 3310 can't be better with regards to smoothing and latency than the old sensor that's in the Abyssus, right? My Abyssus feels a little more raw than my Kana V2. About latency, when I judge that by trying to look at both the mouse pointer and my hand, I can't see a difference between the Abyssus and the Kana V2.
In general, the two mice feel so similar that I can't put my finger on what exactly is going on with regards to that "raw" feeling I mentioned. I can't use the same DPI on both so the different feel might be caused by that. The sensor in the Abyssus can't do higher DPI as well as the 3090 and there might already be a difference in jitter around something medium like 800 DPI.
Most importantly, I can't really say what I like better... the sensor in the Abyssus or the Kana V2. So because I can't decide, I use the Kana V2 because my hand likes that shape better.
I tried a "Tesoro Gungnir H5" which is also 3090 sensor at 4000 DPI, and that one was shockingly terrible. My Kana V2 is definitely not like that.
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"A lot worse" has to be exaggerated. The 3310 can't be better with regards to smoothing and latency than the old sensor that's in the Abyssus, right? My Abyssus feels a little more raw than my Kana V2. About latency, when I judge that by trying to look at both the mouse pointer and my hand, I can't see a difference between the Abyssus and the Kana V2.
I'm just saying that some people have issue with it in 3310, a lot more have issue with it on the first 9800 sensor mice and the 4000dpi srom 3090 is considered the worst on the market. Side by side with a WMO, i'd expect to notice it.
The sensor in the Abyssus can't do higher DPI as well as the 3090 and there might already be a difference in jitter around something medium like 800 DPI.
The sensor in the abyssus and deathadder 3.5g is native 1800dpi and performs poorly at all of the other DPI choices, you kinda have to use driver scaling
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Hm I checked reviews because I like the Kana's shape and the sensor was rated decent on all of them, my bad >.< I guess the new logitech G502 could be nice too, the shape is kind of similar (as in ambidextrous and not too big), but it's expensive... Otherwise the Mionix naos 7000 is ambidextrous too and has the 3310 I think?
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The g502 is really big (i think it was like twice as heavy as my mouse) and you really can't trust mouse reviews for a lot of stuff, especially sensor characteristics. Not saying that it would bother you, but r0ach specifically singled out kana v2 in a rant about how terrible the 4000dpi srom was for 3090
The naos 7000 is the right hand moulded one i think. The avior 7000 is ambi and an exceptional FPS mouse.
In terms of mouse grips, i've found the xornet/spawn shell to be exceptional for 2d stuff (league, sc2, osu, desktop work) but difficult to use for 3d (mid-low sens fps, say 15-40cm/180, just feels more natural to me with another shell like deathadder and different grip) so i think i'm just going to have maybe three input devices: A 2d mouse for fixed pixel stuff like league/osu, 3d (like FPS engine turning) mouse and maybe one of those ~£30 wacom bamboo tablets, but that's probably terrible for most games that are not osu - i have to try it out though.
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Yeah, I love my spawn for sc2 but it doesn't feel that good on CS. It's still fine, but the finger support on the right feels weird for FPS. I still have my old IME 3.0 but it's too big, dunno how I used that for so long >.< I guess if I have money to spare I'll give a shot to the ambidextrous mionix as I'm playing quite a lot of CS these days!
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@Cyro:
I feel you shouldn't use strong words like "terrible" and "the worst" for what you want to say. If someone reads fast or didn't quite understand what you are comparing, it makes it seem like the mouse overall is terrible, which really isn't the case. It is so close to mice with arguably better sensor that its better shape is enough to objectively make it a better mouse for me (objectively = better aim in QuakeLive).
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On May 24 2014 03:55 Ropid wrote:
@Cyro:
I feel you shouldn't use strong words like "terrible" and "the worst" for what you want to say. If someone reads fast or didn't quite understand what you are comparing, it makes it seem like the mouse overall is terrible, which really isn't the case. It is so close to mice with arguably better sensor that its better shape is enough to objectively make it a better mouse for me (objectively = better aim in QuakeLive).
The "terrible" was just quoting the rant, i've not used the mouse - i can say though after reading a ton of stuff that if one is sensitive to the smoothing/lag/whatever that those microsoft mice are loved for not having, the kana v2 and 4000dpi 3090's are supposedly the ones that exhibit it the most
If it makes a mouse unusable or even noticably worse is subjective, but s/he said "flawless sensor" so i wanted to cover that
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I like the reviews of the sensor in Logitech G502. But I doubt many people would like the shape. Certainly I would not!
I also need it to be ambidextrous.
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I usually discuss on ESR forums. And a lot of people say that mouse has flaws and or is not a "flawless" sensor.
That's the only thing keeping me from buying it.
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I went from a Zowie MiCO (tiny mouse) to the Logitech G502 and the transition was very smooth. The extra weight is very easy to adapt to and the shape really didn't affect me since I use a claw grip on the mouse. Sensor-wise, it feels the same as the MiCO at 400 DPI (inb4 Cryo points out well-known glitch in the MiCO's sensor) but the click is a lot nicer as it doesn't require as much force to press the button compared to the MiCO.
I don't use the extra weights provided and the only thing I would complain about is the slippery metallic surface they coated the scroll wheel with. If you have greasy fingers from eating pizza or something, using the scroll wheel can be a bit of a challenge. I would definitely take the MiCO's scroll wheel over the G502's.
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On May 24 2014 15:33 wptlzkwjd wrote:
I went from a Zowie MiCO (tiny mouse) to the Logitech G502 and the transition was very smooth. The extra weight is very easy to adapt to and the shape really didn't affect me since I use a claw grip on the mouse. Sensor-wise, it feels the same as the MiCO at 400 DPI (inb4 Cryo points out well-known glitch in the MiCO's sensor) but the click is a lot nicer as it doesn't require as much force to press the button compared to the MiCO.
I don't use the extra weights provided and the only thing I would complain about is the slippery metallic surface they coated the scroll wheel with. If you have greasy fingers from eating pizza or something, using the scroll wheel can be a bit of a challenge. I would definitely take the MiCO's scroll wheel over the G502's.
I would love to hear more of your experience with the G502. Could you elaborate a little about it's shape?
Is there a way to make it as ambidextrous as possible?
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