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The g502 is 121g with no weights in it
http://gaming.logitech.com/en-gb/product/g502-proteus-core-tunable-gaming-mouse
The mico and g100s are both a hair under 70g. Xornet/spawn is ~77g
The Ultimate Mouse Thread - Page 168
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Cyro
United Kingdom20285 Posts
The g502 is 121g with no weights in it http://gaming.logitech.com/en-gb/product/g502-proteus-core-tunable-gaming-mouse The mico and g100s are both a hair under 70g. Xornet/spawn is ~77g | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
Or you could try that Avior 7000, but that's not cheap. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20285 Posts
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
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Tossim111
United States246 Posts
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On May 25 2014 05:01 Tossim111 wrote: if you palm grip your mouse, weight should matter less. from what I experienced, 1000+ dpi difference between g100s and spawn is drastically different in accuracy. I'm a palm(/claw) gripper, and I notice a difference between my light Mionix Naos 7000 (at home) and my fully weight loaded Naos 5000 (for school/on the go). But at the same time, that might have to do with me using high sensitivity. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20285 Posts
On May 25 2014 05:01 Tossim111 wrote: if you palm grip your mouse, weight should matter less. from what I experienced, at 1000+ dpi, the difference between g100s and spawn is drastically different in accuracy. What do you mean by this? And i'd consider 1k dpi on 1920x1080 to be a ~medium sensitivity btw | ||
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Tossim111
United States246 Posts
On May 25 2014 05:54 Cyro wrote: What do you mean by this? And i'd consider 1k dpi on 1920x1080 to be a ~medium sensitivity btw I mean that, if you are looking to buy a new mouse, you probably shouldn't be looking to get a g100s. I compared the CM Storm to it; the accuracy I've gotten from the Storm was a lot better than the g100s. Referring to 1000+ dpi was meant to just point out my experience with the mice; I use 1800 on the CM Storm and found my movements to be precise, but with the G100s playing SC2 with 1800 was less than mediocre. I tried using 1000, but it was really just too slow. Also, I don't think there would be much of a difference lower than 1000 DPI in terms of accuracy, as I've read the G100s is more accurate the lower the DPI setting is. | ||
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Thalandros
Netherlands1151 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
You're supposed to follow a target with the crosshair in a first-person-shooter like view. The program records that and then uses math about frequencies for the movement of the target and the crosshair to calculate the reaction time. The math it does seems to work. Here's the website: http://www.draebenstedt.de/reaction/reaction.html | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20285 Posts
On May 25 2014 07:23 Ropid wrote: I've stumbled upon someone mentioning a program that can be used to objectively compare mice for yourself to see if one is worse than the other (mostly for latency in the movement showing up on screen). I suppose it could also be useful to compare different monitors and the effect of settings like vsync. You're supposed to follow a target with the crosshair in a first-person-shooter like view. The program records that and then uses math about frequencies for the movement of the target and the crosshair to calculate the reaction time. The math it does seems to work. Here's the website: http://www.draebenstedt.de/reaction/reaction.html This is amazing! I'l be using this a lot. Getting ~170ms on the moving target test, but gotta play with options a bit. I tried a couple times, but the mouse sensitivity is still like 5-10x higher than i'd like, so gotta play a few times and adjust it ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/PnxtfaS.png) Third try, i just set sensitivity to minimum lol I prefer it with just horizontal movement restriction enabled, it still has vertical movement, it's just not jumping into the floor and ceiling occasionally I can't consistently get much better than ~170, but i got a run of 155 and one of 156 - using 5hz The variance run to run is probably too big to honestly compare between mice unless one is extremely terrible. It's great as a reaction time test though - i don't like those tests that just tell you to click when a color changes. Reaction time, even very fast - is an entire order of magnitude faster than mouse to screen delay though, so i think that slight differences in mouse to screen delay would go unnoticed in such a test unfortunately. If reaction time was more consistent, that would maybe not be the case, but my mouse delay is not changing and my tests are varying from 155 to the high 170's. If a mouse added 15ms to my delay, it'd take twice as long to move cursor as my xornet, and i'd surely both be able to blind test it and record the difference with a 30fps camera with no problem | ||
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
On May 24 2014 15:43 llIH wrote: I would love to hear more of your experience with the G502. Could you elaborate a little about it's shape? Is there a way to make it as ambidextrous as possible? The biggest difference in shape that I noticed was the height. My fingers are actually more comfortable resting on the mouse buttons on the G502 than the MiCO. The width difference isn't too noticeable. I'm not sure what you mean by making it as ambidextrous as possible. I am a right hand claw-grip user with my middle finger on the right mouse button and my ring finger above my pinky. If you have to share the mouse with a left-handed user, definitely stay away. I actually de-programmed all of the extra buttons on the side and beside the left mouse button so it basically has the functions of a plain mouse. But my wrist hurts far less while using the G502 than the smaller MiCO, which is why I've switched. I have not had any problems with the sensor, no weird jumps or jitter. You do need software to re-program the buttons on the mouse but since the mouse has on-board memory (which Razer got rid of, for some reason, on their newer lines), I just used it once and uninstalled. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5281 Posts
the bios flash did nothing but add a yellow "?"other devices under dev.manager (intel smart connect technology) but what fixed it, was a bios setting - there was a Deep Sleep setting which was disabled by default; it had 2 more options there: Enable S5 and Enable S4/S5. i enabled S5 and the mouse won't power on the computer now. | ||
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Rockafella
United Kingdom291 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20285 Posts
On May 27 2014 08:06 Rockafella wrote: Gotta rep the Kana v2.. picked one up in the U.K. for £17.99 and will probably pick up another as a backup. With the tape-fix to reduce the LOD it really is good for the price. It's got my Deathadder 2013 gathering dust and it's on a par with the first DA for me tracking-wise. I'd definitely give the DA 2013 a miss if anyone is looking at picking one up in the U.K. it's way overpriced here and to pick one of these up instead. Xornet is £14.99 though i'm really not sure how good it does in FPS in terms of sensor characteristics - i wouldn't buy one for that for grip anyway, probably. I recommended it several times before buying one though and after buying it i'm a big fan of most stuff, especially the grip and the mouse click (very responsive in terms of feel, firmware 5x flashed and you can't get a faster mouseclick latency with any other mouse) No obvious sensor flaws for 2d, lets say osu/rts/moba/MMO etc usage so it's an exceptional mouse £15 for all of those if you go with those types of grips. I was thinking of writing a mini review, but i think i've already said pretty much all there is to say in previous posts and here. A 3090 mouse (kana v2) for sub-£20 is really sweet, will keep almost everyone happy for any game. I noticed Avior 7k @ ocuk for £55 (apparently £50 at scan too) for FPS (and everything, i guess), wondering if the black/white SK edition changes anything aside from aesthetics? It's ~£62 but i'd pay that because everything i own aside from my secondary screen somehow ended up being black or black/white ![[image loading]](http://www.overclockers.co.uk/pimg/KB-005-MI_90017_600.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.overclockers.co.uk/pimg/KB-005-MI_90015_600.jpg) I really want one but i'm not sure i can stomach paying another ~£100 (~$169) for input devices between a second mouse and a wacom bamboo tablet. Yikes. This mouseclick latency thing - i think it's a way bigger deal than most people seem to be bothered about, i just assumed that any good mouse would have near instant mouseclick latency. I switched firmwares and it's over 10 milliseconds faster - on the same mouse. Many mice are ~10-20ms slower which is a really big deal. It is extremely difficult to get that much off reaction times, you basically can't compensate for it at all. I feel like i'm adding more to what is becoming a very long list for a mouse to be 10/10, though i've somewhat widened what "acceptable" means ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/twELLeX.png) | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20285 Posts
http://dagobah.net/flash/Cursor_Invisible.swf ^fun game and good for practice, i like waiting for 3 or so to pop up then looking away to hit 3~ it's quite heavily muscle memory based | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Every time somebody mentions that they're using more than ~2.4k dpi or so, i wonder if they're actually using that, or if they're scaling it down somehow. That's a pretty crazy sensitivity | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
But I did notice a big difference between the default sensitivities for the two mouse respectively. (I like high sensitivity for non-gaming tasks, and that has also carried over to games as well) | ||
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