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WTF is with Logitech making their most ergonomic/form-fitting/non-ambidextrous mice the most expensive models? (wireless, top of the line sensor, silly gimmicks like that spinning mousewheel)
Can't they freaking make a relatively cheap ergonomic wired gaming mouse? isn't there a huge market for that? Closest mainstream-manufacturer mouse like that is the Ikari or something (Myonix or Roccat mice are not widespread, and I guess aren't cheap either), but even it doesn't seem particularly ergonomic, and that's only 1 mouse.
Microsoft makes some strange mouse choices in my opinion too; I remember they made one ergonomic mouse a while back but it was a wireless mouse with only a few buttons or something. I guess they both —perhaps accurately— value the casual/business market more than enthusiast/gamer.
On March 26 2013 04:22 Cyro wrote:
800 is not slow.
If you're looking for accuracy, consistency and insane muscle memory, you probably want something from the 400-1200 window depending on preferance. 800 is very insensitive for many modern systems. Slow is an invalid word to use because there is no speed involved. DPI setting no a mouse mostly depends on what resolution a user is running. If you're playing games at 640x480 like SC 1 or CS 1, sure a person could easily do with 400 or 800 DPI; however if one is running at 2048x1536 or some triple/hex/other monitor setup, one may really struggle to do things quickly/easily. With the dawn of new LCD technology finally entering to the laptop/desktop market, this will be more the case than ever with monitors getting more than double the pixel density than previously.
Thats also best for a ton of playing, because you rely on tight wrist movements a lot less than high DPI which means you can basically play 50, 100+ games in a row without any pain if you do it properly instead of having wrist lock up/hurt/carpal tunnel if you play more than a dozen or two on a short time pretty often Is that speculation, hearsay, or based off some sort of evidence? Less sensitivity also means more movement of the wrist, which potentially makes for more strain. As far as I know Carpal tunnel is mostly about ergonomics not the amount of movement.
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I'm really sad that the updated logitech G line doesn't have a g9x-equivalent. Besides the CM storm spawn (which I tried but then returned because the build quality was suspect), I haven't found a mouse as nice for a claw-grip style as the g9x.
Surely Razer or Steelseries see the potential market for this space and put out some competitors. I wouldn't mind throwing my money elsewhere as I go through mice like crazy.
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On March 25 2013 17:53 Martijn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2013 12:16 Toganas wrote:
Hey, I'm pretty much a noob when it comes to mice and I'm not sure this is the right place to ask this question, but thought I'd start here instead of making my own thread.
I've got a Razer Deathadder; I've had it for 2-3 years without issue, but in the past week or 2 it's started to do a double-click when I single-click sometimes. This doesn't occur every time I click my mouse, but it happens often enough to be aggravating while gaming. I tried messing with my mouse settings and it doesn't matter how fast or slow I make the double-clicking this still occurs. Is there anything I can do to fix this or am I simply in need of a new mouse?
Thanks DeathAdders are notorious for having this problem. You can try opening it up, taking off the top plate and cleaning the switches, but I think most of us just consider it time to replace it at that point. You're lucky it lasted as long as it did actually, the scrollwheel doesn't skip on you regularly?
Thanks for the help, guess I'll be reading through the OP and finding out which mouse I'm going to be buying this week.
As for the scrollwheel skipping; it happened, but not terribly frequently. I kinda learned to just slow down how I scrolled and it fixed the problem. I'd assumed I just scrolled too fast, didn't even consider it being the mouse's problem.
Also, thanks for the input Blueslobster, but I'd be stupid enough to hurt myself trying to solder something.
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On March 26 2013 03:56 eBinTestO wrote:
Probably the Black Edition or the 3.5 version. And you can use the old driver on them.
From what I read the 2013 is better in every which way than the black edition&3.5g though. There's an argument to be made for the original 3g having a perfect sensor, so if you don't care about the dpi, but there's no sense in going 3.5g and certainly not black edition over a 2013..
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On March 26 2013 05:52 Xapti wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:22 Cyro wrote:
800 is not slow.
If you're looking for accuracy, consistency and insane muscle memory, you probably want something from the 400-1200 window depending on preferance. 800 is very insensitive for many modern systems. Slow is an invalid word to use because there is no speed involved. DPI setting no a mouse mostly depends on what resolution a user is running. If you're playing games at 640x480 like SC 1 or CS 1, sure a person could easily do with 400 or 800 DPI; however if one is running at 2048x1536 or some triple/hex/other monitor setup, one may really struggle to do things quickly/easily. With the dawn of new LCD technology finally entering to the laptop/desktop market, this will be more the case than ever with monitors getting more than double the pixel density than previously. I don't see what is unreasonable about his statement. I use a 1000 DPI on a triple monitor setup. It is comfortable for me. It is all about what you are comfortable with. I find high DPI settings uncomfortable to use and not nearly as precise as 1000 DPI. Others find the opposite true I am sure.
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After asking on this recently I went ahead and got the Razer Naga Epic. This is my first "high end" mouse. I primarily play TF2, BW and Tropico 4 at the moment.
PROS: It looks amazing. It's really pretty. It feels amazing. Ergonomics are good. The three clipons that come with it make it easy to find a comfortable grip. I found all the 12 buttons on the side to be easily reachable, although you have to be quite firm with them. The two main clicking buttons are really comfortable and responsive. Large range of sensitivity possible. Can use wireless or wired (I use wired). Lots of options for macros and other
CONS: The macros fuck up sometimes. I use them primarily for text and they sometimes miss out on the first couple of letters. The FAQs and other junk on the customer support website are pretty useless. The wheel click is a bit dodgy, as are the central buttons. It's also pretty pricey.
Aesthetics: 5/5
Comfort: 5/5
Precision: 4/5
Support Website: 2/5
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On March 26 2013 07:50 Kambing wrote:
I'm really sad that the updated logitech G line doesn't have a g9x-equivalent. Besides the CM storm spawn (which I tried but then returned because the build quality was suspect), I haven't found a mouse as nice for a claw-grip style as the g9x.
Surely Razer or Steelseries see the potential market for this space and put out some competitors. I wouldn't mind throwing my money elsewhere as I go through mice like crazy.
Same, I'd buy anything similar.
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What about the joint Thermaltake BMW venture? Seems a good claw grip mouse?
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On March 26 2013 07:50 Kambing wrote:
I'm really sad that the updated logitech G line doesn't have a g9x-equivalent. Besides the CM storm spawn (which I tried but then returned because the build quality was suspect), I haven't found a mouse as nice for a claw-grip style as the g9x.
Surely Razer or Steelseries see the potential market for this space and put out some competitors. I wouldn't mind throwing my money elsewhere as I go through mice like crazy. I would surmise that they might be working on a new G900 model, but idk as the G100s is probably supposed to fill that area (now that its not just going to be Asia only). Anyway, I'm most likely going to get a G100s so I'll write up a review on it so we'll know if this mouse performs like the specs imply. OCN most likely will do the same as well, so whenever they get released we'll start finding out.
Edit: K, I just preordered a G100s, so whenever that arrives I will do a thorough review on it to see how it improves/performs over the G100.
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On March 26 2013 08:24 Martijn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 03:56 eBinTestO wrote:
Probably the Black Edition or the 3.5 version. And you can use the old driver on them. From what I read the 2013 is better in every which way than the black edition&3.5g though. There's an argument to be made for the original 3g having a perfect sensor, so if you don't care about the dpi, but there's no sense in going 3.5g and certainly not black edition over a 2013..
I meant the 3G. It’s not perfect, though; no sensor is …
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On March 28 2013 02:58 blueslobster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 08:24 Martijn wrote:On March 26 2013 03:56 eBinTestO wrote:
Probably the Black Edition or the 3.5 version. And you can use the old driver on them. From what I read the 2013 is better in every which way than the black edition&3.5g though. There's an argument to be made for the original 3g having a perfect sensor, so if you don't care about the dpi, but there's no sense in going 3.5g and certainly not black edition over a 2013.. I meant the 3G. It’s not perfect, though; no sensor is …
Of course, no sure thing as truly perfect, but that's the term generally used. The 3g had a better sensor than the 3.5g and black edition, from what I read, the 2013 4g sensor is better than 3.5g and black too. I haven't read anything about people comparing the 2013 with the 3g though.
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On March 28 2013 04:46 Martijn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 02:58 blueslobster wrote:On March 26 2013 08:24 Martijn wrote:On March 26 2013 03:56 eBinTestO wrote:
Probably the Black Edition or the 3.5 version. And you can use the old driver on them. From what I read the 2013 is better in every which way than the black edition&3.5g though. There's an argument to be made for the original 3g having a perfect sensor, so if you don't care about the dpi, but there's no sense in going 3.5g and certainly not black edition over a 2013.. I meant the 3G. It’s not perfect, though; no sensor is … Of course, no sure thing as truly perfect, but that's the term generally used. The 3g had a better sensor than the 3.5g and black edition, from what I read, the 2013 4g sensor is better than 3.5g and black too. I haven't read anything about people comparing the 2013 with the 3g though.
Which DA sensor is best partially depends on your LOD preferences and your mousepad (soft vs. hard).
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On March 28 2013 23:01 blueslobster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 04:46 Martijn wrote:On March 28 2013 02:58 blueslobster wrote:On March 26 2013 08:24 Martijn wrote:On March 26 2013 03:56 eBinTestO wrote:
Probably the Black Edition or the 3.5 version. And you can use the old driver on them. From what I read the 2013 is better in every which way than the black edition&3.5g though. There's an argument to be made for the original 3g having a perfect sensor, so if you don't care about the dpi, but there's no sense in going 3.5g and certainly not black edition over a 2013.. I meant the 3G. It’s not perfect, though; no sensor is … Of course, no sure thing as truly perfect, but that's the term generally used. The 3g had a better sensor than the 3.5g and black edition, from what I read, the 2013 4g sensor is better than 3.5g and black too. I haven't read anything about people comparing the 2013 with the 3g though. Which DA sensor is best partially depends on your LOD preferences and your mousepad (soft vs. hard).
Of course, being able to customize your lift off distance is nice, but that speaks to the quality of the mouse and not so much the quality of the sensor I'd say. And of course different mousepads work better with some sensors than with others. Those are things that always apply. In general, the 3g has a more perfect (yeah yeah) sensor than the 3.5g and the black. Main selling points for the 3.5g and black are higher dpi.
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That does not look comfortable for a game like sc2, but everyone is different.. Also make sure you're getting a mouse that fits your style (i.e. fingertip, claw grip, palm grip).
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On March 30 2013 05:02 Thor.Rush wrote:That does not look comfortable for a game like sc2, but everyone is different.. Also make sure you're getting a mouse that fits your style (i.e. fingertip, claw grip, palm grip).
Well, I play some FPS games and a couple of RPG's on occasion as well, so I don't need one specifically for SC2.
As for grip, it seems fine from my perspective.
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Anyone have experience with the G9x without grips? Are the side buttons to small to press? How is the software? Can I remap the keys? I kind of dependent on the mouse buttons for Control and Shift, plus maybe remapping keys 8 through 0 for Starcraft 2.
My grip is finger tip and I have hands like the Koreans pros and they seem to be using this mouse without the grip.
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On March 30 2013 13:36 biaxiong wrote:
Anyone have experience with the G9x without grips? Are the side buttons to small to press? How is the software? Can I remap the keys? I kind of dependent on the mouse buttons for Control and Shift, plus maybe remapping keys 8 through 0 for Starcraft 2.
My grip is finger tip and I have hands like the Koreans pros and they seem to be using this mouse without the grip.
I used to play with a g9x without the shell and found it to be a little bit too narrow for me. I have average sized hands but for me it was just an inch too narrow. I also use a fingertip grip as well. The side buttons were fine to press btw.
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So I just recently purchased a 3.5G Deathadder. As a long time user of the small zowie mico, I had to get get used to the bulkiness of it, but I quickly grew accustomed to the size of it. However, my only dislike is how the mouse buttons have indents in it. I feel like I have no leverage pressing down on the mouse buttons. Why a concave and not bulge upwards instead? I don't get it.
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