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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
March 02 2012 07:15 GMT
#19141
Uh lol.

I would try restarting it. Im imagining what a normal fan running at 65k RPM would sound like.

But also only one core is showing up. And I dont think this was under load either.
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 02 2012 07:17 GMT
#19142
You should only be concerned about cpu vcore and core temperatures.

Though there is a problem as there should be four cores shown, you only have one shown. Can you cross check with CPU-Z and RealTemp as well.

You still have your voltage set to manual so it's probably best for you to reset to BIOS default and check HW Monitor again.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
March 02 2012 07:32 GMT
#19143
I am confused...

[image loading]

And haha yeah, I definitely didn't see the fan run at 65k, so must've been some faulty data I think.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 02 2012 07:35 GMT
#19144
Did you reset BIOS defaults? Does it show as one core in task manager? If so, you should probably reseat the CPU.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
March 02 2012 07:38 GMT
#19145
I have to go sleep, ugh... I just really don't want to have problems with this -__-. I didn't reset bios defaults yet, and not sure how to check it in the task manager.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 02 2012 07:41 GMT
#19146
Task manager is CTRL + SHIFT + ESC . In the performance tab, you should see four boxes (each representing a core) for CPU usage.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
March 02 2012 07:44 GMT
#19147
[image loading]

Something tells me this isn't good?
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 02 2012 07:45 GMT
#19148
The 2500k is a quad core so having one core isn't good. You might have disabled cores while you were in the BIOS so resetting the BIOS should fix this. If it doesn't than you need to reseat the CPU or in the worse case, RMA it.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
March 02 2012 08:01 GMT
#19149
I went to the bios and pressed F5 to put in back into default settings and then saved and rebooted... Windows froze on start-up twice. Now I'm going to go lay down worried, and hopefully things go better tomorrow. Sigh.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Melancholia
Profile Joined March 2010
United States717 Posts
March 02 2012 08:03 GMT
#19150
On February 18 2012 10:00 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 05:40 Melancholia wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I'm back once more, this time looking for a high-end build for a friend.

What is your budget?
$2000-2500, with more available if there is a significant enough performance increase to warrant it

What is your resolution?
1920x1200, multiple monitor support would be useful. An additional monitor is probably the only part that might be added mid-cycle

What are you using it for?
To quote him: "games, 3D modelling, software engineering. In order of priority, RAM, GFX, CPU. I want to get a solid state primary drive, too, for speed."

From speaking with him the most taxing use will definitely be the 3D modelling, he does some significant work as a Masters level mechanical engineering student, as well as a large number of other projects. He's fairly insistent that it have 32 GBs of RAM for that purpose, though if you are certain that RAM wouldn't be the limiting factor then let me know.

What is your upgrade cycle?
3 years between machines, with no plans to upgrade mid-cycle

When do you plan on building it?
Now

Do you plan on overclocking?
My guess would be yes, when the task warrants it.

Do you need an Operating System?
No

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
If the usage requires it. It is unlikely that a second will be added at a later date, everything will be purchased at the start.

Where are you buying your parts from?
Newegg, other online sources if the price warrants it, and there is a Fry's nearby if they have any deals


There are a billion ways you can allocate a $2500 budget.

For $2500, I'd of course build on LGA2011 but you said processor is the last of his concerns so hex and octo cores may not be worth it. LGA1155 is limited to 32gb and quad cores while LGA2011 is expandable to 64gb and octo cores. Building on LGA1155 will of course not come close to $2500 without doing a multi-GPU configuration.

For GPU, you basically want a 7970 for this budget but the good ones are extremely hard to find right now because everyone wants it. You can pre-order the ASUS HD7970 DirectCuII at Amazon for $580: http://www.amazon.com/DirectCU-1000MHz-Overclocked-Graphics-HD7970-DC2T-3GD5/dp/B00739TCH8/ If you can't wait than you can grab a Radeon HD7950 for $100 less.

Plextor M3 128gb for $160 is a hot deal right now: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820249014

You'd obviously want a nice case and power supply for such a build. I'd suggest the Antec P280 for $112: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=65170 and a Capstone 550: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182068 if you are doing a single GPU configuration. If you are looking for something modular than a Seasonic X is a nice option that's fully modular but is also significantly more expensive.

For 32gb, you'd want / need 8gb modules, $208 with promo code until the 22nd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231487

You'd want a Noctua NH-D14, Phanteks PH-TC14, or a Thermalright Silverarrow.

I'm back with some more questions, the purchase got a bit delayed and there are some options on a few things we didn't nail down.

1) The option to go nuts with RAM pretty much guarantees that we'll be going with an LGA2011 motherboard. It looks like there are three real options, cheapest to most expensive being i7-3820 (~$400), i7-3930k (~$700), and i7-3960x (~$1000). I'm assuming the 3820 can't overclock and would probably underperform for this build/budget, though since I don't do intensive modelling myself I wouldn't know if the CPU is not the bottleneck. The 3930k seems like a very attractive middle ground, is there any pressing reason to not take it over the 3960x?

2) Is there a particular motherboard/manufacturer that we should be looking at?

3) The friend that is building this is definitely considering running SLI, particularly noting the benchmark performance/price ration for the GTX 480. I know this would be a power hog and run quite hot, though it does seem that it would outperform the 7970 for somewhat cheaper. Another option may be a single GTX 480, being about $300 cheaper than the 7970 and benchmarking not that much behind it. What are the pros/cons that I'm missing here, and what would be the final advice?

4) We obviously missed the SSD sale, so a new SSD recommendation would be appreciated. Also, what are notable differences between different SSDs? In terms of performance, reliability, etc.?

5) If we did go with dual GTX 480s, or a single one, what would be the power supply changes? Two cards would presumably push us past 550W.

6) Considering that my friend has been more insistent on getting a lot of RAM in this system than he has been about any other component might this be the rare case where 1600 or higher frequency RAM (if that's the right terminology) is actually worth it? Or still stick with 1333? Looking at the prices for anything above 1600 I'm assuming we would be better off going for 64GB of 1333, but 1600 isn't that much more expensive.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 08:10:46
March 02 2012 08:03 GMT
#19151
On March 02 2012 16:44 FiWiFaKi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Something tells me this isn't good?



I would reseat the CPU. But it looks like you might have fried 3 cores when playing with the voltage. Though I dont really think so. Maybe. SkyR?

Double check with CPU-z.

@ Melancholia I doubt we will be recommending 480 anything since that is old technology now. The performance value over the 7970 is on paper performance only since 2 GPU setups have microstuttering issues, you would have to go to 3X480 just to smooth it out and games that dont support this relegate you to a single 480 which is also bad news.

You want single card setups and a Rosewill 550W can power two 7970's unless the OC is extremely large in which case it might be cutting it close. I dunno maybe its close anyway. Two 7950's should be easy though.
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 08:15:35
March 02 2012 08:14 GMT
#19152
On March 02 2012 17:03 Medrea wrote:
I would reseat the CPU. But it looks like you might have fried 3 cores when playing with the voltage. Though I dont really think so. Maybe. SkyR?

Double check with CPU-z.


Ugh but my windows wont turn on. It says there was some power surge error, I dunno what to do ): It says press F1 to go into the SETUP, then in the setup everything is at auto so I dunno who I could possibly change...
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
March 02 2012 08:18 GMT
#19153
Yikes. Hope you got that OC insurance just in case >.>

I don't think it is completely hopeless though.
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
March 02 2012 08:20 GMT
#19154
On March 02 2012 17:18 Medrea wrote:
Yikes. Hope you got that OC insurance just in case >.>

I don't think it is completely hopeless though.


And no I did not... I bought all parts from NCIX just as they were. In the worst case, I just don't want to break anything else. I mean the CPU might be in trouble, but I hope the GPU, mobo, ram, etc is unaffected...
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 08:27:13
March 02 2012 08:26 GMT
#19155
For future ref you can't buy the insurance from the retailer, you have to go directly to intel for it. For the i5-2500k its $20.

I don't want to say if the rest of your computer is fine because I actually cant be 100 percent certain what you did and did not change. Ill just say that your GPU should be fine.
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Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
March 02 2012 08:28 GMT
#19156
On March 02 2012 17:14 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 17:03 Medrea wrote:
I would reseat the CPU. But it looks like you might have fried 3 cores when playing with the voltage. Though I dont really think so. Maybe. SkyR?

Double check with CPU-z.


Ugh but my windows wont turn on. It says there was some power surge error, I dunno what to do ): It says press F1 to go into the SETUP, then in the setup everything is at auto so I dunno who I could possibly change...


Go into the BIOS and load "optimzed defaults" or something like that. Alternatively, find the place in the BIOS where individual CPU cores can be disabled/enabled and check that all cores are enabled.
Such flammable little insects!
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 08:40:25
March 02 2012 08:37 GMT
#19157
On March 02 2012 17:26 Medrea wrote:
For future ref you can't buy the insurance from the retailer, you have to go directly to intel for it. For the i5-2500k its $20.

I don't want to say if the rest of your computer is fine because I actually cant be 100 percent certain what you did and did not change. Ill just say that your GPU should be fine.


Kay I'll let you in on my embarrassing story... I was trying to change the multiplier, so I just did exactly as the guide said, I changed the multiplier to 44x and here comes the REALLY bad part. I needed to move the voltage up, but it said the highest I could put it is 0.615... I am retarded and I thought it was the final voltage not the incremental. I brought my voltage to 1.8 for a few seconds. Thing is my computer was working for the last few hours, it's just once I reset the settings to what you suggested it wouldn't turn on...

So I'm hoping my other hardware isn't fried...
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
March 02 2012 08:40 GMT
#19158
Oooooohhhhhh shit. Yeah thats the newbie trap everyone falls into.
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
March 02 2012 08:45 GMT
#19159
On March 02 2012 17:40 Medrea wrote:
Oooooohhhhhh shit. Yeah thats the newbie trap everyone falls into.


I didn't touch the other voltages though... what kind of damage should I expect? D;
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 08:53:38
March 02 2012 08:52 GMT
#19160
Ill let other people say since I dont have enough experience frying things with overclocking (you would think so what with being a miner and all). Particularly with the CPU since my personal motto is to never increase voltage manually.

I don't want to put my foot down on something I dont know wtf I am talking about.

EDIT: And since it late, at least in the states, I think now is a good time to go to bed.
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