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On January 11 2012 02:21 Medrea wrote:
The gaia doesnt really perform the same as a Hyper 212+.
Acoustics is up to the individual. Most of us just use headphones or the PC is out of the way so acoustics is often a secondary thought.
Except when it does, right? All the ones I mentioned will be within ~1-2*C or so from each other. What is going to differentiate them more, then, is going to be price, acoustics, and whatever other factors the purchaser may or may not care about.
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The Scythe Mugen 2 (rev B) is a pretty good alternative to the 212+. It's EOL (and its successor, the Mugen 3 is not as good), but at least in Europe it can still be easily found. The heatsink is pretty big though, so check your case-measurements.
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I recall the Gaia being on par with the Hyper 212+; I didn't know about acoustics.
What other cooler is $10 more than a Hyper 212 and provides that much more overclocking potential?
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On January 11 2012 02:03 Wabbit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 18:00 Womwomwom wrote:
For heatsinks, the best options are probably the Coolermaster 212+ or 212+ Evo. Not much point getting anything else.
I disagree. They are good options but I wouldn't call them "the best" - there are pros and cons. At the same price point of ~$30 (though usually a few $ more than the 212+), the Gelid Tranquillo or Xigmatek Gaia are noticeably quieter than those two and perform virtually the same. Corsair A50 can also be often found for about the same. And I definitely believe it's worth spending $10-20 more for a better heatsink/fan if aiming for higher OC's and/or better acoustics.
Its all the same shit - big metal heatpipe structure with the same DHT base. The Gelid Tranquillo is cool because of the shorter height, that's about it. They're all impossibly quiet on light to medium overclocks and the only serious way you're going to get perceptably quieter is by getting a Noctua D14 and running the fans at 700RPM with fan adaptors.
In many ways, the CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO is the best choice because it has a relatively even and flat base instead of base roulette you sometimes get with DHT coolers. Great thing is, its the cheapest bolt through heatsink on PCCG - we're not American so we don't have your options.
Anyway, trust me on this. I'm OCD about computer noise - not a single fan in my computer runs higher than 500RPM and I used to make sure all of my hard disks are elastic suspended. Performance and accoustics between these heatsinks will not differ greatly for the typical user.
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On January 11 2012 03:12 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 02:03 Wabbit wrote:On January 10 2012 18:00 Womwomwom wrote:
For heatsinks, the best options are probably the Coolermaster 212+ or 212+ Evo. Not much point getting anything else.
I disagree. They are good options but I wouldn't call them "the best" - there are pros and cons. At the same price point of ~$30 (though usually a few $ more than the 212+), the Gelid Tranquillo or Xigmatek Gaia are noticeably quieter than those two and perform virtually the same. Corsair A50 can also be often found for about the same. And I definitely believe it's worth spending $10-20 more for a better heatsink/fan if aiming for higher OC's and/or better acoustics. Its all the same shit - big metal heatpipe structure with the same DHT base. The Gelid Tranquillo is cool because of the shorter height, that's about it. They're all impossibly quiet on light to medium overclocks and the only serious way you're going to get perceptably quieter is by getting a Noctua D14 and running the fans at 700RPM with fan adaptors. In many ways, the CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO is the best choice because it has a relatively even and flat base instead of base roulette you sometimes get with DHT coolers. Great thing is, its the cheapest bolt through heatsink on PCCG - we're not American so we don't have your options.
Right - forgot the part about Australian / other places selection. Us Americans are spoiled indeed, but I'd still rather have better healthcare.
"the only serious way you're going to get perceptably quieter is by getting a Noctua D14 and running the fans at 700RPM with fan adaptors."
There are cheaper options.... maybe not to Australians (I'm seriously sorry!), e.g. any of the Thermalright line with the TY-140... (True Spirit 140, HR-02 macho).
Even from noctua you can get a U12P for much cheaper than the D14.
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On January 11 2012 03:05 Medrea wrote:
Hyper 212 evo?
How much better is it? Everything I could find, the original Hyper 212 was excluded -_-
Is it really worth paying 50% more? Then again, the NH-D14 is like 300% more. But it comes with a lot of extras that warrant it I guess.
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On January 11 2012 03:50 jacosajh wrote:How much better is it? Everything I could find, the original Hyper 212 was excluded -_- Is it really worth paying 50% more? Then again, the NH-D14 is like 300% more. But it comes with a lot of extras that warrant it I guess.
Well the Hyper 212+ is a fantastic heatsink so generally no but the EVO.... is also a fantastic heatsink and better.
There is a reason we only recommend these two (especially the 212+) to 99 percent of people.
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Well that's why I'm genuinely interested to see how much better it is, numerically anyway. The only thing I could find was that the base from the original Hyper 212 was much improved, but there was not anything concrete whether or not that actually translated into any real substantial performance improvements.
I'm thinking about building another rig here soon, so I might pick one up.
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There are some benchmarks comparing the two and the difference is only a degree or two.
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2C is kind of a lot though. Enthusiasts pay top dollar for a lot of 2C differences and then go wild.
I am tempted to lap my CPU. But my overclocking needs are very very minimal so I dont.
Also warranty.
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Enthusiasts use extreme cooling methods =p Those that pay top dollar for Corsair, Noctua, Thermalright, etc are paying for other things such as brand name and post sale support.
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On January 11 2012 03:12 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 02:03 Wabbit wrote:On January 10 2012 18:00 Womwomwom wrote:
For heatsinks, the best options are probably the Coolermaster 212+ or 212+ Evo. Not much point getting anything else.
I disagree. They are good options but I wouldn't call them "the best" - there are pros and cons. At the same price point of ~$30 (though usually a few $ more than the 212+), the Gelid Tranquillo or Xigmatek Gaia are noticeably quieter than those two and perform virtually the same. Corsair A50 can also be often found for about the same. And I definitely believe it's worth spending $10-20 more for a better heatsink/fan if aiming for higher OC's and/or better acoustics. Its all the same shit - big metal heatpipe structure with the same DHT base. The Gelid Tranquillo is cool because of the shorter height, that's about it. They're all impossibly quiet on light to medium overclocks and the only serious way you're going to get perceptably quieter is by getting a Noctua D14 and running the fans at 700RPM with fan adaptors. In many ways, the CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO is the best choice because it has a relatively even and flat base instead of base roulette you sometimes get with DHT coolers. Great thing is, its the cheapest bolt through heatsink on PCCG - we're not American so we don't have your options. Anyway, trust me on this. I'm OCD about computer noise - not a single fan in my computer runs higher than 500RPM and I used to make sure all of my hard disks are elastic suspended. Performance and accoustics between these heatsinks will not differ greatly for the typical user.
You can get a practically silent solution by buying thermalright macho for 32 euros, not sure why you're advocating spending over twice as much if sound is the concern
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@acrylicjoker
Stay away from AMD for gaming, or really everything. Intel will outperform it all the time.
For a similar price you can get an i3-2100 and an H61 motherboard which will be WAY better than a 960t. And possibly cheaper, and consume less power.
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On January 11 2012 06:29 Medrea wrote:
@acrylicjoker
Stay away from AMD for gaming, or really everything. Intel will outperform it all the time.
For a similar price you can get an i3-2100 and an H61 motherboard which will be WAY better than a 960t. And possibly cheaper, and consume less power.
Wow thanks, I really had no idea about this. I was originally looking at the phenom x6 til a friend of mine told me the phenom ii x4 or a bulldozer would be better. Now the i3 looks very appealing.
Is there a particular brand of mobo I should be looking for or would just any h61 do?
If it's not too much trouble I have a few more questions. How long would the i3 2100 last me before I'd need an upgrade to keep up with new games? Are the other parts I've chosen good/cost efficient?
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Well your friend isn't very smart and I would be wary of the advice he gives you regarding computer components. Bulldozer is worse than a Phenom II X4.
Unless you have a specific need or want, any H61 motherboard will be fine.
You want 4gb or 8gb, not 6gb of memory. If you're on a tight budget, you can get a single 4gb stick now and add another later.
You'll be needing to upgrade the 6770 before the core i3 in order to keep up with most of the latest games.
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I dunno about prices in the UK as much. This often comes down to deals and whatnot.
You can get any H61 motherboard since you arent overclocking or anything like that. BioStar is probably fine.
Here is a comp between i3 and 965 BE
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/289?vs=102
Both will last you about as long honestly. The h61 will allow you to upgrade to Ivy Bridge processors that Intel is coming out with later this year. But then they are moving onto a different socket and you will have to buy a new motherboard all over again.
AMD is in the same boat really.
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Hi,
Looking to update my PC which is now almost 4 years old. I got quoted $876.85 by one of the reps from Dell for a desktop:
Dell(TM) Vostro Mini Tower 460
PFC Chassis V460
2nd Generation Intel® Core? i7-2600 Processor (3.4GHz, 8MB, 4C)
4GB (2X2GB) Dual Channel DDR3 1333MHz SDRAM Memory
500GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive with 16MB DataBurst(TM) cache
16X DVD+/-RW drive
1GB AMD Radeon(TM) HD 6450 (DVI, HDMI, VGA)
Genuine Windows® 7 Professional SP1 64 bit (English)
Dell(TM) 23" E2311H Widescreen Flat Panel Monitor (VGA & DVI) ANZ
Keyboard & mouse
No speakers
I know its a computer build thread but im really not confident to do that myself; just wondering if this is good value and will it be able to play the latest games at a reasonable level?
cheers
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On January 11 2012 07:22 SiMPL wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hi,
Looking to update my PC which is now almost 4 years old. I got quoted $876.85 by one of the reps from Dell for a desktop:
Dell(TM) Vostro Mini Tower 460
PFC Chassis V460
2nd Generation Intel® Core? i7-2600 Processor (3.4GHz, 8MB, 4C)
4GB (2X2GB) Dual Channel DDR3 1333MHz SDRAM Memory
500GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive with 16MB DataBurst(TM) cache
16X DVD+/-RW drive
1GB AMD Radeon(TM) HD 6450 (DVI, HDMI, VGA)
Genuine Windows® 7 Professional SP1 64 bit (English)
Dell(TM) 23" E2311H Widescreen Flat Panel Monitor (VGA & DVI) ANZ
Keyboard & mouse
No speakers
I know its a computer build thread but im really not confident to do that myself; just wondering if this is good value and will it be able to play the latest games at a reasonable level?
cheers
If a reasonable level means low settings than yes. It's not a gaming computer.
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