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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
SleepTech
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States222 Posts
October 30 2011 03:24 GMT
#13961
So I just built my computer and am installing everything right now. What are the good programs to have to check temps, make sure RAM is good and so on? I've updated my drivers and all. I did download core temp and my CPU was at like 30 degrees but uinstalled it. Didn't know if there is a better application out there for it.

Everything seems stable so far.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 30 2011 03:43 GMT
#13962
Well, all the different software should be getting the same temperature readings. It's not like the software when installed goes and lays a couple new temperature sensors down. If there are differences in the readings, that's because they're reporting values from different sources or one (or both) programs is incorrectly interpreting the raw data. So use whatever program suits you fine. I never thought about it much or searched for anything better, but HWMonitor is okay.

You can check RAM by installing memtest onto a bootable disc or flash drive, booting from that, and running it overnight.

But unless you're having problems, no need to suspect or worry about anything, run tests, etc. I'd just check temperatures every once in awhile while the CPU and GPU is stressed, and make sure they're acceptable.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
October 30 2011 04:08 GMT
#13963
They all have their ups and downs. I'd say go with Coretemp or HWMonitor, depending on your needs. HWMonitor covers way more stuff, really, but coretemp has CPU temps, clock, and load all in one convenient place, plus the option to real-time monitor your CPU speed.

HWMonitor is probably the ideal one for 90% of people. Just ignore the voltage readings, those are completely stupid.
Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
October 30 2011 15:33 GMT
#13964
What kind of cheap (but still reliable) powersupply do I want for a 6870 + i5-2300?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 30 2011 15:40 GMT
#13965
On October 31 2011 00:33 Thorakh wrote:
What kind of cheap (but still reliable) powersupply do I want for a 6870 + i5-2300?


XFX Core Edition 450W (preferably not V2, which is the same except they removed some of the cables) or Super Flower Amazon 450W. European prices on most of the Antec units are not that good. Possibly some certain models of Chieftec. Corsair CX500 V2 maybe if you can't find the above, or CX430 V2 if you're fine using a molex adapter and being low on molex connectors.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 30 2011 16:09 GMT
#13966
be quiet! Pure Power 350 Watt / BQT L7

Isn't that fine? o.O
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 16:34:55
October 30 2011 16:28 GMT
#13967
350W is plenty, but all the low end Be Quiet! aren't that good. He asked for cheap and reliable, not just cheap.

Actually I think the 350W L7 and other L7 are FSP, similar to the lowest-end Antec Basiq--not the newer VP stuff or some of the better Delta-made Basiq models like the Basiq Plus and BP430.

edit: on second thought, I'm doubting the above (e.g. those Basiq are definitely not at the same efficiency levels as those L7, though they all should be FSP)...but the point still stands about low-end Be-Quiet! not being good.

The 350W L7 also has short cables, just 1 PCIe and 3 molex (like CX430 but with much shorter cables).
Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 18:40:40
October 30 2011 18:32 GMT
#13968
Alright thanks, how does this build look? It's for gaming at 1440*900. I have a feeling it's overkill for this resolution. I don't really care, as long as it lasts a long long time.

Intel Core i5-2400
Sapphire Radeon HD6870 1GB
Asus P8H67 B3,s1155
Corsair XMS3 1333MHz 8GB (2x4GB)
Corsair CX 500WATT V2

I need a case for this, do I just buy the cheapest I can find, or do I need a case with at least some fans and whistles? I'm looking at a Cooler Master Sileo 500 at the moment.

Would downgrading to a 6850 be worth it for this resolution? It's 20 euros cheaper.

Can I downgrade the motherboard to a P8H61 to save money? I'm also going to put this together myself, my first time. These components shouldn't be too hard for me, right?

edit: 1000th post!
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 30 2011 18:53 GMT
#13969
I'd just get a 6870, it's the final best-bang-for-your-buck card and you still can make use of it in that kind of a resolution if you want to play stuff like metro 2033 maxed. Do check for GTX 560 prices though - if it's less than 5€ more than 6870 I'd get that.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 20:38:00
October 30 2011 20:28 GMT
#13970
On October 31 2011 03:32 Thorakh wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Alright thanks, how does this build look? It's for gaming at 1440*900. I have a feeling it's overkill for this resolution. I don't really care, as long as it lasts a long long time.

Intel Core i5-2400
Sapphire Radeon HD6870 1GB
Asus P8H67 B3,s1155
Corsair XMS3 1333MHz 8GB (2x4GB)
Corsair CX 500WATT V2

I need a case for this, do I just buy the cheapest I can find, or do I need a case with at least some fans and whistles? I'm looking at a Cooler Master Sileo 500 at the moment.

Would downgrading to a 6850 be worth it for this resolution? It's 20 euros cheaper.

Can I downgrade the motherboard to a P8H61 to save money? I'm also going to put this together myself, my first time. These components shouldn't be too hard for me, right?

edit: 1000th post!


As Shikyo said, it's only slightly overkill for some games, but it will allow you to maybe max some others that you otherwise couldn't (example: with a HD 6870, I play at 1600x900 which is slightly bigger than your 1440x900 but I cannot max Crysis 2 with the DX11 and High Res textures patch because my FPS averages about 30ish outside and it's kinda choppy).

Case - whatever pleases you, most cases are pretty alright but some can be poor (e.x. Xigmatek Asgard is not very sturdy/durable, but hey it's $30 what can you expect).

You can downgrade to any mobo you want that has the features you need (though I'd stay away from ECS, Jetway, and Foxconn personally; originally said Biostar too but I've been reading and they seem like an OK budget manufacturer). Just make sure your case supports its form factor (most likely it does; "mini ATX" boards are a bit special, but most cases support ATX and microATX boards, which like 95% of boards are)

EDIT:
Corsair RAM tends to me more expensive also, you can get any 1333MHz 1.5V RAM kit.

EDIT #2:
HardwareCanucks video guide to building:+ Show Spoiler +

The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
TerrBear
Profile Joined June 2011
United States7 Posts
October 30 2011 21:29 GMT
#13971
Does 64-bit vs 32-bit windows affect gaming performance at all?
I'm kind of a big deal
Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
October 30 2011 21:47 GMT
#13972
Thanks for the tips.

Doesn't the motherboard chipset (H61, H67, P67, etc. if I'm correct) determine the quality of the board and therefore performance in general?

Does it make any difference if RAM is rated 1.65V or 1.5V?
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
October 30 2011 22:02 GMT
#13973
sorry im being a right pain

what combo of processor and graphics card and PSU would be ok for about £200?
it can go a bit over that, if its gonna be worth it finiancially
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 22:13:25
October 30 2011 22:09 GMT
#13974
On October 31 2011 06:29 TerrBear wrote:
Does 64-bit vs 32-bit windows affect gaming performance at all?


No, unless you're running 32-bit and have a lot of stuff open in addition to the game such that the memory-addressing limit becomes an issue.

On October 31 2011 06:47 Thorakh wrote:
Thanks for the tips.

Doesn't the motherboard chipset (H61, H67, P67, etc. if I'm correct) determine the quality of the board and therefore performance in general?

Does it make any difference if RAM is rated 1.65V or 1.5V?


No, performance is pretty much identical on all compatible motherboards except for maybe how I/O (e.g. USB3 controller) is handled, but that's more of a difference between motherboard design rather than which chipset is used. A motherboard mostly just provides copper traces to connect stuff like the CPU, graphics card, and RAM together, peripheral controllers like Ethernet and audio, and power circuitry for handling the CPU and other components. Some high-end motherboard is not going to somehow change the logic inside the CPU to make it run faster.

The chipset just determines which features are available for the motherboard manufacturer to implement. For example, H61 does not provide any SATA3 connections, whereas the other three support two of those in addition to the four SATA2 connections all those chipsets support. So most motherboards for H67, P67, and Z68 will take advantage of that and use two SATA3 ports. But some H61 motherboards will provide SATA3 ports through a third-party controller, and some other motherboards will also use third-party controllers to provide more than two SATA3 ports. As in most things, it depends on the motherboard model.

For socket 1155 systems, Intel recommends 1.5V RAM to prevent (long-term) damage to the memory controller. So higher is worse. In practice, 1.65V is not so high that it's probably going to be an issue, so that's most likely okay.

On October 31 2011 07:02 ThatGuy89 wrote:
sorry im being a right pain

what combo of processor and graphics card and PSU would be ok for about £200?
it can go a bit over that, if its gonna be worth it finiancially


Does that price include motherboard and RAM? If you're upgrading an old system, you need a new motherboard and possibly RAM (you will if you don't have DDR3) to support a new processor.
iKill[ShocK]
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vietnam3530 Posts
October 30 2011 22:11 GMT
#13975
What does it mean to use a graphic card for dedicated physx? im really confused about it
<3 Kim Taeyeon
hYdrA-MeNo
Profile Joined January 2010
Mexico344 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 22:17:54
October 30 2011 22:11 GMT
#13976
So im uying parts right now an a question came up between me and my brother which is the total cost of the parts is around 750ish. the question is that investment of 750 = what on a normal built computer from lets say ibuypower. would it be like a 1000 dollar computer if everything is right?
Cant Tell you Whats good....But i can tell you what's what
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
October 30 2011 22:17 GMT
#13977
On October 31 2011 07:09 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 06:29 TerrBear wrote:
Does 64-bit vs 32-bit windows affect gaming performance at all?


No, unless you're running 32-bit and have a lot of stuff open in addition to the game such that the memory-addressing limit becomes an issue.

Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 06:47 Thorakh wrote:
Thanks for the tips.

Doesn't the motherboard chipset (H61, H67, P67, etc. if I'm correct) determine the quality of the board and therefore performance in general?

Does it make any difference if RAM is rated 1.65V or 1.5V?


No, performance is pretty much identical on all compatible motherboards except for maybe how I/O (e.g. USB3 controller) is handled, but that's more of a difference between motherboard design rather than which chipset is used. A motherboard mostly just provides copper traces to connect stuff like the CPU, graphics card, and RAM together, peripheral controllers like Ethernet and audio, and power circuitry for handling the CPU and other components. Some high-end motherboard is not going to somehow change the logic inside the CPU to make it run faster.

The chipset just determines which features are available for the motherboard manufacturer to implement. For example, H61 does not provide any SATA3 connections, whereas the other three support two of those in addition to the four SATA2 connections all those chipsets support. So most motherboards for H67, P67, and Z68 will take advantage of that and use two SATA3 ports. But some H61 motherboards will provide SATA3 ports through a third-party controller, and some other motherboards will also use third-party controllers to provide more than two SATA3 ports. As in most things, it depends on the motherboard model.

For socket 1155 systems, Intel recommends 1.5V RAM to prevent (long-term) damage to the memory controller. So higher is worse. In practice, 1.65V is not so high that it's probably going to be an issue, so that's most likely okay.

Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 07:02 ThatGuy89 wrote:
sorry im being a right pain

what combo of processor and graphics card and PSU would be ok for about £200?
it can go a bit over that, if its gonna be worth it finiancially


Does that price include motherboard and RAM? If you're upgrading an old system, you need a new motherboard and possibly RAM (you will if you don't have DDR3) to support a new processor.


sorry, i meant ive got everything but the graphics and processor

this mobo
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004Q5W7EM/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?ie=UTF8&m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE

and 8gb ddr3 ram

got the OS case hard drive and everything else, just want the best possible components for about £200
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 30 2011 22:20 GMT
#13978
On October 31 2011 07:11 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
What does it mean to use a graphic card for dedicated physx? im really confused about it


Some games use Nvidia's proprietary physics SDK called PhysX. One feature is that you can offload some of these physics calculations to an Nvidia GPU. It's possible to use two GPUs, one running just the PhysX calculations, and the other doing normal work. The secondary one running PhysX need not be very powerful, since it doesn't need to do that much work. In these scenarios, you can get slightly higher performance with such a dedicated PhysX GPU, than without.

On October 31 2011 07:11 hYdrA-MeNo wrote:
So im uying parts right now an a question came up between me and my brother which is the total cost of the parts is around 750ish. the question is that investment of 750 = what on a normal built computer from lets say ibuypower. would it be like a 1000 dollar computer if everything is right?


That depends on ibuypower sales, how good you are at finding components, what kind of deals you got on components, what kind of components you're getting (best deals or more premium options), and so on. But $750 -> $1000 is optimistic, assuming you're comparing with a relatively good ibuypower configuration. There's usually not that much difference. Maybe $750 -> $900, if you need to purchase an OS for $100? I don't keep much track of prebuilt prices.
hYdrA-MeNo
Profile Joined January 2010
Mexico344 Posts
October 30 2011 22:28 GMT
#13979
On October 31 2011 07:20 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 07:11 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
What does it mean to use a graphic card for dedicated physx? im really confused about it


Some games use Nvidia's proprietary physics SDK called PhysX. One feature is that you can offload some of these physics calculations to an Nvidia GPU. It's possible to use two GPUs, one running just the PhysX calculations, and the other doing normal work. The secondary one running PhysX need not be very powerful, since it doesn't need to do that much work. In these scenarios, you can get slightly higher performance with such a dedicated PhysX GPU, than without.

Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 07:11 hYdrA-MeNo wrote:
So im uying parts right now an a question came up between me and my brother which is the total cost of the parts is around 750ish. the question is that investment of 750 = what on a normal built computer from lets say ibuypower. would it be like a 1000 dollar computer if everything is right?


That depends on ibuypower sales, how good you are at finding components, what kind of deals you got on components, what kind of components you're getting (best deals or more premium options), and so on. But $750 -> $1000 is optimistic, assuming you're comparing with a relatively good ibuypower configuration. There's usually not that much difference. Maybe $750 -> $900, if you need to purchase an OS for $100? I don't keep much track of prebuilt prices.


thanks i just wanted to see the diffrence between what im spending vs what i would spend
Cant Tell you Whats good....But i can tell you what's what
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 30 2011 22:33 GMT
#13980
Could everybody not quote the entire message next time, if not all of it is related? It's harder to read and more confusing.

On October 31 2011 07:17 ThatGuy89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 07:09 Myrmidon wrote:
On October 31 2011 06:29 TerrBear wrote:
Does 64-bit vs 32-bit windows affect gaming performance at all?


No, unless you're running 32-bit and have a lot of stuff open in addition to the game such that the memory-addressing limit becomes an issue.

On October 31 2011 06:47 Thorakh wrote:
Thanks for the tips.

Doesn't the motherboard chipset (H61, H67, P67, etc. if I'm correct) determine the quality of the board and therefore performance in general?

Does it make any difference if RAM is rated 1.65V or 1.5V?


No, performance is pretty much identical on all compatible motherboards except for maybe how I/O (e.g. USB3 controller) is handled, but that's more of a difference between motherboard design rather than which chipset is used. A motherboard mostly just provides copper traces to connect stuff like the CPU, graphics card, and RAM together, peripheral controllers like Ethernet and audio, and power circuitry for handling the CPU and other components. Some high-end motherboard is not going to somehow change the logic inside the CPU to make it run faster.

The chipset just determines which features are available for the motherboard manufacturer to implement. For example, H61 does not provide any SATA3 connections, whereas the other three support two of those in addition to the four SATA2 connections all those chipsets support. So most motherboards for H67, P67, and Z68 will take advantage of that and use two SATA3 ports. But some H61 motherboards will provide SATA3 ports through a third-party controller, and some other motherboards will also use third-party controllers to provide more than two SATA3 ports. As in most things, it depends on the motherboard model.

For socket 1155 systems, Intel recommends 1.5V RAM to prevent (long-term) damage to the memory controller. So higher is worse. In practice, 1.65V is not so high that it's probably going to be an issue, so that's most likely okay.

On October 31 2011 07:02 ThatGuy89 wrote:
sorry im being a right pain

what combo of processor and graphics card and PSU would be ok for about £200?
it can go a bit over that, if its gonna be worth it finiancially


Does that price include motherboard and RAM? If you're upgrading an old system, you need a new motherboard and possibly RAM (you will if you don't have DDR3) to support a new processor.


sorry, i meant ive got everything but the graphics and processor

this mobo
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004Q5W7EM/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?ie=UTF8&m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE

and 8gb ddr3 ram

got the OS case hard drive and everything else, just want the best possible components for about £200


Pentium G850 - £60
link (special price)

Asus HD 6770 - £86
link

Corsair CX430 V2 - £35
link
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