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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
October 29 2011 17:12 GMT
#13941
If you worry that muc about performance on the CPU, get a g840, its about 60-70 euros i think ? and will run SC2 np
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 17:19:53
October 29 2011 17:14 GMT
#13942
On October 30 2011 02:09 ThatGuy89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 01:50 Shikyo wrote:
On October 30 2011 01:42 ThatGuy89 wrote:
On October 30 2011 00:27 Shikyo wrote:
amd 6450, intel celeron g530, a random 300w PSU that costs no more than 25£

holy shit. So for less then £100?

sorry this is gonna sound stupid, but how good of a pc will that be? it'll run sc2 perfectly, just browsing the internet and stuff it wont be slow? will i be able to run SC2 at the same time as playing music? and what are the chances of it running HOTS and D3?
thanks

6450 is pretty good for minimum level graphics card but it's still obviously not that good. It'll probably maintain 60 fps in 1080p SC2 on low should run diablo3 on lowest as well. And yeah you'd be able to play music while playing SC2, I can do that on my single core Athlon x64 4000+ with a GT420.

If 6450 seems too low to you, read this for ideas:
http://www.techspot.com/review/392-budget-gpu-comparison/

the graphics doesnt bother me that much, its more the CPU. I thought SC2 was a really processor dependant game, so was thinking an i3. But doing it this cheap is pretty cheap, if its gonna perform well too

You'd be wanting to run it on lowest settings right? Like right now I'm testing my old computer that's got Athlon x64 4000+ with GT 420(the processor is 5 years old and the graphics card is still significantly worse than 6450) and the framerate's alternating between 50 and 60 fps.


This comparison is for pentium G620 vs i3 2100 but Celeron G530 basically just has like 10% lower performance than Pentium G620:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/289?vs=406

So as you can see the difference between those processors in SC2 is less than 20% and price difference is about 250% but as I said, even my 5 year old Athlon can have over 50 fps on low so you wouldn't even notice the difference. (Okay to be honest the FPS drops down to like 20 during large battles but still hey)


Oh also actually 6450 might be cutting it kind of close, GT 240 and HD 5570 would both be cheap and significantly better
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
October 29 2011 17:20 GMT
#13943
wow i was seriously deluded about what i needed to run sc2 :p

graphic
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=50695&agid=1004

processor
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=47352&agid=1617
so these are ok?
thats 130e

how will it compare against 90e of the 6450 and g530
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 17:29:32
October 29 2011 17:27 GMT
#13944
Waste of money for low, you're seriously underestimating sandybridge it seems. Your CPU will be hardcore capped by the graphics card. My other computer has Athlon II x4 635 and it's as good / tiny bit worse than G530 in games and I play SC2 on ULTRA on it. (drops to 30 FPS in large battles but you can just play on high or something... either way I get 150 fps on low)

http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=50380&agid=1617

http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=48616&agid=554

Actually this seems good.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
October 29 2011 17:31 GMT
#13945
wow thats even cheaper ^^
and the fps in sc2 will be decent?
like attacking a zerg on creep im not gonna be skipping every 3 seconds or something
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 17:34:05
October 29 2011 17:33 GMT
#13946
As I said my computer has a processor that's about as good as G530 and on lowest settings in 1920x1080 I have 110-150 fps depending on action and this is with about 20 programs open in windowed fullscreen

The expected FPS for low would be like 80 I'd say.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
October 29 2011 17:35 GMT
#13947
awesome, thanks for the help shikyo, you've given me lots to think about
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 29 2011 17:39 GMT
#13948
On October 30 2011 02:33 Shikyo wrote:
As I said my computer has a processor that's about as good as G530 and on lowest settings in 1920x1080 I have 110-150 fps depending on action and this is with about 20 programs open in windowed fullscreen

The expected FPS for low would be like 80 I'd say.


Must not be a lot of action. Closer to worker rushing frames per second.
twitch.tv/medrea
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 29 2011 17:44 GMT
#13949
On October 30 2011 02:39 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 02:33 Shikyo wrote:
As I said my computer has a processor that's about as good as G530 and on lowest settings in 1920x1080 I have 110-150 fps depending on action and this is with about 20 programs open in windowed fullscreen

The expected FPS for low would be like 80 I'd say.


Must not be a lot of action. Closer to worker rushing frames per second.

Just not largescale battle FPS. :/

Best CPU for SC2 would probably be i3 2130 but I don't think it's necessary for low
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Madoga
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands471 Posts
October 29 2011 17:50 GMT
#13950
Isn't is easier to look for a good deal on the i3 2105 and get a proper gpu in the futute.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 29 2011 17:51 GMT
#13951
HD 3000 just is very poop <_< though if 30 fps is enough I guess it could work
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 29 2011 19:11 GMT
#13952
I would not bother with German or other retailers outside the UK. amazon, scan, ebuyer, aria, etc. are all plenty enough.

I'd err on the side of overkill on the CPU generally, if there's a question about it. You don't want to find out that your new CPU isn't enough for what you want to do.

And fps during large battles is very important, since that's when you need to focus and actually micro, not to mention when stuttering would be easily apparent...
TuckFexas
Profile Joined July 2011
United States154 Posts
October 29 2011 19:42 GMT
#13953
Hey all, i need a computer build because i am a newb with building computers.

What is your budget?
About 600-700$, i could go over if persuaded though.

What is your resolution?
1680 x 1050
*i could buy another monitor, this is just one i already have

What are you using it for?
Starcraft 2, WoW, and if skyrim would run on it id play that too (otherwise i have an xbox).
*would be cool to stream sc2 (i play on lowest and the stream wouldn't need to be high res)

What is your upgrade cycle?
I'm going to college in a year, and will be giving this computer to my family once i leave. They wont ever upgrade it

When do you plan on building it?
As soon as I have all the parts

Do you plan on overclocking?
i don't know what overclocking is but if its needed i'll do it

Do you need an OS?
yes and i am a student
*unless pirate bay could give it to me

Do you plan to add a second GPU for crossfire or SLI?
uh... probably not?

Where are you buying your parts from?
Wherever they are cheapest (USA)

Thanks in advance!
Texas is to f*cking hot.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 20:06:46
October 29 2011 20:01 GMT
#13954
OS is around $100 if you pay for Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM (the one you probably want). If you have a *.edu e-mail address you may be able to get it for $30 or so. You should probably figure out what you're going to do for that, and what's possible.

Here's a bit above $600 without the OS. Since you're not overclocking and thus not needing an i5-2500k I don't think NCIX has much better deals this week. You could save maybe like $10 on the hard drive or something like that.

Core i5-2400 and PNY 2 x 4GB DDR3 RAM - $220
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.747218

AsRock H61M/U3S3 - $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236

Sapphire HD 6850 - $140, $125 AMIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102908

Samsung CD / DVD-RW - $18
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151233

Hitachi 500GB 7200rpm - $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145299

Corsair CX430 V2 - $45, $35 AMIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

Antec Three Hundred Illusion - $45 after promo code (ends 10/31)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066

edit: changed power supply and case
+ Show Spoiler [old] +
On second thought, the Core 1000 would not allow you to fit a second hard drive with that graphics card, so maybe a bit limited and cramped. The above deal is better in general. I swapped the power supply as well since the Earthwatts cables are doable but a bit short for a bottom mount ATX tower/
Antec Earthwatts Green 380D - $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033

Fractal Design Core 1000 - $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352009
Gatez
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1 Post
October 29 2011 20:08 GMT
#13955
Hello.

What is your budget?
My Budget is 1000 euro. (this is for a monitor aswell)


What is your resolution?
Since I'm getting a new monitor aswell I dont know yet



What are you using it for?
Only gaming except for school work etc


What is your upgrade cycle?
My upgrade range is probally around 1 and 1/2 years.


When do you plan on building it?
my plan is to do it as quick as possible because BF3 just being released
and soon skyrim, I feel like I need an upgrade. but I dont know enough about computers
to do it myself.


Do you plan on overclocking?
Nope. Simply because I dont know how to do it.


Do you need an Operating System?
Yes.


Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No.


Where are you buying your parts from?
I will most probally buy my parts from: http://www.komplett.se/k/k.aspx
But I asume that most of the people here wont be able to understand that website.
feel free to recommend parts from other websites

Here's a converter from Swedish Kronor to Euros/Dollars/Pounds

Swedish Kronor ---> Euros 1€ = 9 Swedish Kronor
Swedish Kronor ---> Dollar 1$ = 6.4 Swedish Kronor
Swedish Kronor ---> Pounds 1£ = 10.3 Swedish Kronor
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 20:39:46
October 29 2011 20:37 GMT
#13956
Intel Core i5-2320 - 1,595
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=646588

MSI H61MU-E35 - 690
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=627020

MSI GTX 560 Ti Twin Frozr II - 1,955
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=622728

Kingston 2 x 4GB DDR3 RAM - 399
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=578918

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB - 999
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=620189

Sony CD / DVD-RW - 190
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=645800

Chieftec A-85 500W - 545
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=645491

Fractal Design Core 3000 - 599
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=634682

Samsung 21.5" 1920x1080 SyncMaster S22A300B - 1,279
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=627387

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM - 869
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=629550

Feel free to get a different case more to your liking and/or a larger monitor if you wish. (some other things can easily be adjusted down to meet 1000 euros strictly, if that is needed)
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
October 29 2011 21:10 GMT
#13957
small update to cpu/gpu list. hopefully brand new thread for ivy bridge.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
TuckFexas
Profile Joined July 2011
United States154 Posts
October 29 2011 21:48 GMT
#13958
Myrmidon, thanks for the help i really appreciate it. One question though.
The videocard you linked me to has a 500w PSU minimum requirement, and the PSU you gave me is 420w. Can you explain why this still works?
Texas is to f*cking hot.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 29 2011 21:54 GMT
#13959
On October 30 2011 06:48 TuckFexas wrote:
Myrmidon, thanks for the help i really appreciate it. One question though.
The videocard you linked me to has a 500w PSU minimum requirement, and the PSU you gave me is 420w. Can you explain why this still works?

well, HD 4850 has PSU requirement of 450W and I'm running it overclocked to max on a 300W PSU npnp. It works because they overkill the requirements to account for terrible PSUs so that their clients wont sue them or something.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 29 2011 22:22 GMT
#13960
Yeah, it's not a minimum requirement in the sense that the card takes a peek at the label on the power supply and refuses to turn on unless some figure isn't higher than X. Computer components altogether need a certain amount of power, and more if making more calculations or otherwise working harder. If the power supply can source that much power without going beyond safe operating limits, then it's fine. (read: some bad units are pretty much always very unsafe and have no safe operating limits; many others can't be pushed reasonably to what their label claims without doing bad things)

You'd have a hard time making a HD 6850 pull over 130W itself unless overclocked. I'd be surprised if the whole system topped 200W while running games, so that's well within the capabilities of both power supplies listed.
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