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On October 31 2011 23:08 nam nam wrote:
At least SSD's draws nothing more than a few watts under load. You'd be hard pressed to find one drawing more than 6, most maybe around 2-3. Can't imagine the rams drawing much either.
I am most probably wrong but does it matter if a harddrive draws a few watts more when its not on the 12 rail? Since the limiting factor of the PSU is usually how much watts it provides on the 12v rail?
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You can do under 100W peak with like a Sandy Bridge dual core and a HD 5570 (it doesn't make more than a few watts difference, but you can use a 2.5" HDD too), no problem, which would handle SC2 on medium.
I'm not sure if I'd trust a bundled 160W PSU for 160W, but with that much you can probably get a Core i3-21xx and HD 6670 with no worries.
A8 sucks, so don't get that unless you really must use something without space for even a half-height graphics card.
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I do not have an earthed socket in my room, can I plug my PC in without problems? PSU is 500W, if it matters.
Also, can I build my PC on a wooden table on a carpet (and making sure to discharge myself often) or should I move to the kitchen for a wooden floor?
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On October 31 2011 23:19 Myrmidon wrote:
You can do under 100W peak with like a Sandy Bridge dual core and a HD 5570 (it doesn't make more than a few watts difference, but you can use a 2.5" HDD too), no problem, which would handle SC2 on medium.
I'm not sure if I'd trust a bundled 160W PSU for 160W, but with that much you can probably get a Core i3-21xx and HD 6670 with no worries.
A8 sucks, so don't get that unless you really must use something without space for even a half-height graphics card.
The point with A8 is that it's like 40W under load... not for performance.
Performance is around the same as GT 240
Also the A8 can run SC2 on medium in 1650x1050 at around 60 fps so
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I'm pretty convinced with the A8. Benchmarks indicate that without a discrete GPU it trounces the i3 (something like 3x fps), and with a discrete GPU it will still produce 25% higher fps, which is an option I would like to have in the future.
Thanks for all the advice. I'm going to sleep on this.
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On October 31 2011 23:48 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 23:19 Myrmidon wrote:
You can do under 100W peak with like a Sandy Bridge dual core and a HD 5570 (it doesn't make more than a few watts difference, but you can use a 2.5" HDD too), no problem, which would handle SC2 on medium.
I'm not sure if I'd trust a bundled 160W PSU for 160W, but with that much you can probably get a Core i3-21xx and HD 6670 with no worries.
A8 sucks, so don't get that unless you really must use something without space for even a half-height graphics card. The point with A8 is that it's like 40W under load... not for performance. Performance is around the same as GT 240 Also the A8 can run SC2 on medium in 1650x1050 at around 60 fps so
source on A8 running sc2 at 60 fps?
and what does under load mean?
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/06/30/amd-a8-3850-review/8
its up to you, but those two tests are done on gpu heavy games, and a 2100 is 2/3 the price of A8 not to mention that you can get a 50$ board with it (not sure how cheap of a mobo you can get with an A8)
SkyR'ed: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=243109 (3 months old)
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On October 31 2011 23:48 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 23:19 Myrmidon wrote:
You can do under 100W peak with like a Sandy Bridge dual core and a HD 5570 (it doesn't make more than a few watts difference, but you can use a 2.5" HDD too), no problem, which would handle SC2 on medium.
I'm not sure if I'd trust a bundled 160W PSU for 160W, but with that much you can probably get a Core i3-21xx and HD 6670 with no worries.
A8 sucks, so don't get that unless you really must use something without space for even a half-height graphics card. The point with A8 is that it's like 40W under load... not for performance. Performance is around the same as GT 240 Also the A8 can run SC2 on medium in 1650x1050 at around 60 fps so
Under 40W? Listed TDP is 100W, and this is the highest chip in the family. With a reasonably heavy CPU + GPU load, there's no way it's under 40W. It will possibly use a little less power than a Sandy Bridge dual core and equivalent ~40W GPU in a game (which won't use all four cores), but not by much.
Integrated GPU is under GT 240, under HD 5570, maybe more like HD 5550?
I'm not sure why anybody is enthusiastic to play SC2 on an Athlon II X4 anyway.
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On November 01 2011 00:14 Myrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 23:48 Shikyo wrote:On October 31 2011 23:19 Myrmidon wrote:
You can do under 100W peak with like a Sandy Bridge dual core and a HD 5570 (it doesn't make more than a few watts difference, but you can use a 2.5" HDD too), no problem, which would handle SC2 on medium.
I'm not sure if I'd trust a bundled 160W PSU for 160W, but with that much you can probably get a Core i3-21xx and HD 6670 with no worries.
A8 sucks, so don't get that unless you really must use something without space for even a half-height graphics card. The point with A8 is that it's like 40W under load... not for performance. Performance is around the same as GT 240 Also the A8 can run SC2 on medium in 1650x1050 at around 60 fps so Under 40W? Listed TDP is 100W, and this is the highest chip in the family. With a reasonably heavy CPU + GPU load, there's no way it's under 40W. It will possibly use a little less power than a Sandy Bridge dual core and equivalent ~40W GPU in a game (which won't use all four cores), but not by much. Integrated GPU is under GT 240, under HD 5570, maybe more like HD 5550? I'm not sure why anybody is enthusiastic to play SC2 on an Athlon II X4 anyway.
Listed TDP is 65W and usually it doesnt get that high
Which chip are you talking about?
I'm on Athlon II X4 and on ultra it's above 60 fps except in large battles it drops to like 25-30 - CPU won't be limiting him.
Also the CPU is actually better than Athlon II X4 just to be clear but probably only single-threaded as it's got that funky turbo boost thingyness.
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On November 01 2011 00:22 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 00:14 Myrmidon wrote:On October 31 2011 23:48 Shikyo wrote:On October 31 2011 23:19 Myrmidon wrote:
You can do under 100W peak with like a Sandy Bridge dual core and a HD 5570 (it doesn't make more than a few watts difference, but you can use a 2.5" HDD too), no problem, which would handle SC2 on medium.
I'm not sure if I'd trust a bundled 160W PSU for 160W, but with that much you can probably get a Core i3-21xx and HD 6670 with no worries.
A8 sucks, so don't get that unless you really must use something without space for even a half-height graphics card. The point with A8 is that it's like 40W under load... not for performance. Performance is around the same as GT 240 Also the A8 can run SC2 on medium in 1650x1050 at around 60 fps so Under 40W? Listed TDP is 100W, and this is the highest chip in the family. With a reasonably heavy CPU + GPU load, there's no way it's under 40W. It will possibly use a little less power than a Sandy Bridge dual core and equivalent ~40W GPU in a game (which won't use all four cores), but not by much. Integrated GPU is under GT 240, under HD 5570, maybe more like HD 5550? I'm not sure why anybody is enthusiastic to play SC2 on an Athlon II X4 anyway. Listed TDP is 65W and usually it doesnt get that high Which chip are you talking about? I'm on Athlon II X4 and on ultra it's above 60 fps except in large battles it drops to like 25-30 - CPU won't be limiting him. Also the CPU is actually better than Athlon II X4 just to be clear.
Define "large battles." My i7 930 on ultra drops below 30 FPS during large battles  .
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On November 01 2011 00:28 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 00:22 Shikyo wrote:On November 01 2011 00:14 Myrmidon wrote:On October 31 2011 23:48 Shikyo wrote:On October 31 2011 23:19 Myrmidon wrote:
You can do under 100W peak with like a Sandy Bridge dual core and a HD 5570 (it doesn't make more than a few watts difference, but you can use a 2.5" HDD too), no problem, which would handle SC2 on medium.
I'm not sure if I'd trust a bundled 160W PSU for 160W, but with that much you can probably get a Core i3-21xx and HD 6670 with no worries.
A8 sucks, so don't get that unless you really must use something without space for even a half-height graphics card. The point with A8 is that it's like 40W under load... not for performance. Performance is around the same as GT 240 Also the A8 can run SC2 on medium in 1650x1050 at around 60 fps so Under 40W? Listed TDP is 100W, and this is the highest chip in the family. With a reasonably heavy CPU + GPU load, there's no way it's under 40W. It will possibly use a little less power than a Sandy Bridge dual core and equivalent ~40W GPU in a game (which won't use all four cores), but not by much. Integrated GPU is under GT 240, under HD 5570, maybe more like HD 5550? I'm not sure why anybody is enthusiastic to play SC2 on an Athlon II X4 anyway. Listed TDP is 65W and usually it doesnt get that high Which chip are you talking about? I'm on Athlon II X4 and on ultra it's above 60 fps except in large battles it drops to like 25-30 - CPU won't be limiting him. Also the CPU is actually better than Athlon II X4 just to be clear. Define "large battles." My i7 930 on ultra drops below 30 FPS during large battles .
Oh o.O Well that's only from watching a 1v1 replay of Idra vs someone when I tested it, lowest I saw it at was 21 fps. But yeah even so he won't be looking to play on ultra so the CPU won't be a problem
But wtf is this, those benchmarks are awful O_O
I really have trouble believing that it's at 21fps in SC2 and 50+ FPS in HAWX 2 in a higher resolution as I'm pretty sure it's got a better CPU than my Athlon 64 4000+ that runs it way better.
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Do you think those are CPU benches? Because they're not... I don't see why it's surprising that hybrid CrossfireX is broken in a game like Starcraft II.
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On October 31 2011 19:22 Shikyo wrote:
The PSU would be able to handle it yes, but I don't think you could overclock the cards.
And assuming it's a 1080p monitor, yes it's going to be reasonably useful, at least for futureproofing and also for running at absolute max settings.
Your mobo would need to support SLi though.
Thanks for the advice. Turns out I've got the P8P67 Rev 3 version which only supports crossfire while the P8P67 PRO would have supported both. Bummer.
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On November 01 2011 01:42 skyR wrote:
Do you think those are CPU benches? Because they're not... I don't see why it's surprising that hybrid CrossfireX is broken in a game like Starcraft II.
It's not hybrid crossfireX it's APU, it's known that hybrid CrossfireX is broken in DX9 games, yes. But that's 30 fps on low graphics in 1280x800, that's about the same as I was getting with the integrated graphics of my 2006 computer and anandtech bench with 1680x1050 for the same APU was 62 fps with medium quality.
It really seems like you just bash on them for no reason without doing any research.
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It seems that you are incapable of reading.
D denotes dual graphics. They even told you in plain English (Dual Gfx) which you apparently failed to comprehend. Not to mention they also spelled it out for you in the review when they said they tested the Llano with a discrete card in a Crossfire configuration.
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Sure, but 6550D is still the integrated APU, the hybrid crossfire is called D2, for instance a hybrid crossfire between 6550D and 6670 would be called HD 6690D2. You seriously haven't looked any of this up?
Also, Anandtech bench:
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You should educate yourself in looking at benchmarks instead of educating me because I'm not the one that needs educating.
It's still a GPU benchmark so I don't really care if it's an APU or not.
Both reviews don't provide enough context but common sense says that Xbitlabs used a more intensive testing method for Starcraft II and less intensive for other games. The conclusion is still the same so I don't see why anyone would care...
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Huh? You don't need educating but don't know what a hybrid crossfire is?
O.K. Well my martial arts class is starting so try to come to a conclusion yourselves.
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Hi, I'm looking to build a new PC and I need help. I've built a couple computers so I know how it works but I'm a noob when it comes buying parts. I don't know enough about the numbers and getting it compatible and optimized. Can you help?
What is your budget?
$700-800
What is your resolution?
1920x1200
What are you using it for?
I will be using it for gaming and I'd like to play on high to max settings. I play SC2, HoN, DotA2, Diablo 3,and Battlefield 3. I would like to be able to stream. I really want to broadcast in 480p maybe 720p if it could handle it.
What is your upgrade cycle?
I upgrade about every two years.
When do you plan on building it?
I plan on building it soon. I have the cash now but I'm kinda waiting for the Thanksgiving black friday deals. I wanna be prepared.
Do you plan on overclocking?
I don't know enough about it to feel confident in doing it. So no, I won't be overclocking unless you can give me good reason to.
Do you need an Operating System?
I have a version of Vista 64bit. Do I need to upgrade to Win7?
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No
Where are you buying your parts from?
Newegg
Thanks for your help. This is an awesome thread.
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Your use of the English language fails.
It's funny that you're trying to use hybrid CrossfireX against me. I admit I was wrong when I initially said hybrid CrossfireX but you even confirmed yourself you know what I was referring to so it doesn't matter if we both don't know what the APU + dGPU CrossfireX is called:
On November 01 2011 02:11 Shikyo wrote:Sure, but 6550D is still the integrated APU, the hybrid crossfire is called D2, for instance a hybrid crossfire between 6550D and 6670 would be called HD 6690D2. You seriously haven't looked any of this up?
On November 01 2011 00:33 Shikyo wrote:
I really have trouble believing that it's at 21fps in SC2 and 50+ FPS in HAWX 2 in a higher resolution as I'm pretty sure it's got a better CPU than my Athlon 64 4000+ that runs it way better.
21 FPS which refers to 22.4 which is a CrossfireX configuration ... though I don't know why you would round down to 21 and not 22.
On November 01 2011 01:57 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 01:42 skyR wrote:
Do you think those are CPU benches? Because they're not... I don't see why it's surprising that hybrid CrossfireX is broken in a game like Starcraft II. It's not hybrid crossfireX it's APU, it's known that hybrid CrossfireX is broken in DX9 games, yes. But that's 30 fps on low graphics in 1280x800, that's about the same as I was getting with the integrated graphics of my 2006 computer and anandtech bench with 1680x1050 for the same APU was 62 fps with medium quality. It really seems like you just bash on them for no reason without doing any research.
Here again I was referring to the CrossfireX configuration and you even confirmed that I was referring to it by saying 30 FPS, though it's actually 30.9 FPS or 31 FPS if you round it. Yet you contradict yourself at the start saying it's not CrossfireX.
You of course refer to the Anandtech bench which is most favourable in your argument though most reviews don't provide enough context so it's rather meaningless.
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