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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
HaRuHi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1220 Posts
October 24 2011 02:55 GMT
#13641
@Myrmidon
I am not talking specific hardware yet, but feel free to suggest something!
The example is there because Shikyo ask for it, I assume to warn me if that retailer is overpriced.
At the moment I am grinding through AMD mainboards, as I think they will be the better solution for this build, as I wrote in the original post.
I will post here again with my specific hardware choice later this weak, at the moment I am open to suggestion.

+ Show Spoiler +
My first ideas however go towards:
AMD Phenom II X4 95, now I look for a board with AM3 support, IDE compability and nvidea onboard grafic.
HaRuHi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1220 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 03:00:01
October 24 2011 02:59 GMT
#13642
2100 is 115 euros g530 is 39 euros on hardwareversand, ram also is 19€ on hardwareversand and mobo 46€ on hardwareversand so you're wasting a ton of money.

don't really see that o.0
115+46=161 so price for mainboard + cpu would be even.
19 for the ram is really cheap!
but as I said, there is no ram listed online, I have to check at the place.

However, I also gonna check the g530, seems really cheap! Ty <3
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
October 24 2011 03:00 GMT
#13643
On October 24 2011 11:54 gonzo056 wrote:
Hey guys. Im considering building my first computer as my sony vaio laptop is currently 5 years old. Im looking to spend between 800-1000 and was thinking about building a desktop. I would be using this computer to play SC2 and Diablo 3 whenever it comes out, as well as surf the web and homework type things. I wanted something that would be able to play sc2 on high settings and Im still in the research phase as to what my exact build would be. I also do not own a moniter or OS so that would need to be apart of the 800-1000. I found the Asus G73SWRF-BST6 from bestbuy.com for 849.99. It is a refurbished model. I was wondering if this laptop would be plenty to fulfill my needs and be easier than building a desktop. Also do you recommend buying a refurbished model and why or why not. Thank you for your time


someone else will fix you up a build but building a desktop is a very easy and fun experience, and youll get better performance/less cost compared to buying a laptop
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 03:06:54
October 24 2011 03:02 GMT
#13644
mainboard and cpu would total at 75 euros.

i3 2100 is 100 on hardwareversand so difference in that total is like 35€ not same price
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gonzo056
Profile Joined October 2011
United States8 Posts
October 24 2011 03:06 GMT
#13645
I thought it would be cheaper to build, I just haven't seen many builds that include the i7 at that price. Like I said before im new with computers and am trying to learn as much as I can before I build so I can use the computer to its fullest potential. I also liked the fact that it already had the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M GPU in it
TexDrum
Profile Joined September 2011
United States67 Posts
October 24 2011 03:15 GMT
#13646
I had a question in another thread that just seemed to die, so I thought I would reask it here.

I may potentially build a desktop come christmas, but I am also looking at laptops because portability might be extremely important to me. (I am going into college next year.) If I O* decide on a laptop, I had a question regarding particular specs.

I found a laptop with an i5 2430M (2.4 ghz) with 6 GB memory and a GT 555M. It runs at 1366x768 resolution (I have been gaming on this res for a few years now, so I have no complaints with the res. More would be better but far from necessary). I am wondering how capable this will be of playing Starcraft 2 at that resolution.

I realize a laptop costs a lot more, but I will be more than willing to sacrifice a shade or two of quality as long as it stays smooth. I have a feeling that if I turn the quality up too high, I might end up getting distracted anyways, haha.

As a side option, does anybody know if this will be able to run Skyrim, and at what (relative) quality? If I decide to build a desktop, I will probably get better specs, but again, sacrifice portability for power. Thank you!
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 03:19:54
October 24 2011 03:19 GMT
#13647
@gonzo

well the i7 desktop is a waste of cashola. the i5-2500k will be identical in practice and cost you ~100 less. or, if you dont plan on overclocking, the 2400 is cheaper (and youll save money on a cooler/mobo/fans etc)

the 6770/5770 should be enough for sc2 on high, but the 6870 has great price/performance and gets alot of recommends (theres an xfx one on newegg for 150 after rebate.) if you dont plan on overclocking, your build should look something like i5-2400, cheap asrock h61 mobo (with usb3/sata3 if you want one of the newer ssds), 6870, 400-450w decent brand psu, cheapest set of 4g (or 8g if you want to splash out) of ram, cheap hdd/dvd drive etc, and a case of your preference
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
gonzo056
Profile Joined October 2011
United States8 Posts
October 24 2011 03:45 GMT
#13648
Thanks again for your time. I was looking at the i5-2500k and into overclocking it. I was thinking about the GIGABYTE GA-Z68XP-UD3 mobo. Newegg has it for 349.98. I was also looking for something I could possible upgrade in a year or two so iwas thinking a little nice mobo would be useful. I do like the 6870. Does this sound like a good start?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 24 2011 03:55 GMT
#13649
Z68XP-UD3 isn't $349.98 on Newegg and this isn't even a high-end board. It's just expensive because of the included SLC SSD used for caching. Basically useless if you are getting a SSD, which you should be doing if you can afford a $350 motherboard.

There's no point in getting a premium motherboard if you have no clue about computer hardware. It'll be just as useless as a $120 motherboard in two years because Haswell is unlikely to be on LGA1155 and even if it was, there's very little chance that it would be only compatible with the high-end boards and not the low-end boards. If you want 8x 8x for a multi-GPU configuration than there are many low-end boards capable of it. If you want double 16x than you wouldn't be wasting money on LGA1155 but instead wasting it on LGA2011 and wouldn't be asking for advice.
gonzo056
Profile Joined October 2011
United States8 Posts
October 24 2011 04:00 GMT
#13650
Im sorry i meant 349.98 for the mobo cpu combo.
gonzo056
Profile Joined October 2011
United States8 Posts
October 24 2011 04:02 GMT
#13651
And I have also read that with sc2 there really isnt an advantage to using multiple GPUs. Is this true?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 24 2011 04:16 GMT
#13652
Starcraft II is heavily dependent on the CPU so having a multi-GPU configuration won't be too helpful.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 24 2011 04:21 GMT
#13653
That's not to mention that you can get good framerates on most resolutions with say a HD 6850 already. And what are you going to do, crossfire HD 5750s? No two cards cost less combined than a HD 6850 and provide more performance when put in crossfire / SLI than a single HD 6850.
gonzo056
Profile Joined October 2011
United States8 Posts
October 24 2011 05:04 GMT
#13654
I was planning on going with a single video card, especially since im trying to stay under 1000. So should I go with a cheaper mobo? I was planning on getting a SSD to run windows 7 and a few other programs. Is there a cheaper mobo that you recommend that will be able to handle overclocking, SSD, and possible crossover / SLI in the future? I was also wanting USB 3.0 ports
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 05:13:17
October 24 2011 05:12 GMT
#13655
Usually multiple graphics cards are not worth it. If you're serious about it, you probably want your single card to be a case-exhausting model (which is usually noisier and hotter if running just one but is better when running two), you need a larger and more expensive power supply, possibly a different case, and the Crossfire/SLI motherboard. Then down the road, you can pair your outdated graphics card with another outdated graphics card instead of replacing the old one with a newer and much more efficient model.

Cheaper motherboards for that would include MSI Z68 or P67 G43/45 and Gigabyte Z68A-D3.
GloryOfAiur
Profile Joined October 2011
United States127 Posts
October 24 2011 05:45 GMT
#13656
I know that it is not a smart question to ask due to lack of testing, but just from estimates, will an ATI Radeon HD 6850 1 GB need to be overclocked to play Modern Warfare 3 on max?
mrloiter
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia18 Posts
October 24 2011 07:00 GMT
#13657
Doubt it, it's a clone of mw2 and the 6850 runs mw2 well on max, in general cod is quite easy to run.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
October 24 2011 08:43 GMT
#13658
I put together a new computer a month or so ago and I just noticed a bit "weird" behaviour. When the windows 7 screensaver (Konfetti in swedish, maybe Confetti in english?) goes on I hear the cpu fan rev up quite a lot. It almost sounds like when I'm running prime95. It don't sound that much when I stress the computer normally, streams/games or whatever. Is this a known bug or is it some process that turns on? Also it doesn't happen when I tried a different screen saver and it goes back to normal as soon as the screen saver turns off. Is there some program I can use to log what processes are using the cpu?
Defaulted
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom30 Posts
October 24 2011 16:08 GMT
#13659
Hey guys, I'm currently looking into building my own computer or just upgrading my current one and am looking for some advice, I have talked to some people about it and I've picked out some parts which I think would help improve performance a bit. The only real problem however is that I'm on a fairly cheap budget (£300). I'm currently using a HP Pavilion something something which is coming on 5 years old now and it is completely stock apart from some RAM I put in it.

Because of my limited amount of cash, I decided (rightly or wrongly?) that it would be better to upgrade/salvage parts and buy some new ones rather than go completely new, I know it won't be the best machine in the world but it would be something.

The main purchase that I am looking at is http://www.cclonline.com/product/27816/NoMfgCode/Motherboard-Bundles/CCL-Excel-Advantage-Motherboard-Bundle/MBB-AMD-HIGH/

For those who do not want to look at the link it includes:

- AMD Phenom X4 970 Quad Core
- 4GB DDR3 Memory (2 x 2GB)
- Gigabyte M68MT-S2 Motherboard

All of which cost £199.99 out of my ~£300 budget

After buying that bundle I would be looking to get the best graphics card possible for the remaining £100 and take everything else that hasn't been upgraded from my old machine (power supply, hdd etc) and put it in the new one.

Now since I'm fairly new to this I'm just looking for advice on whether I'm going about this the right way or there is another way which I can get more bang for my buck so to speak. I will be doing a lot of gaming on the machine too so that's what kind of a rid I'm looking for, but at the moment not something so earth shattering, just starting with baby steps then work my way up to something better
"I am God" - CombatEX
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 24 2011 16:27 GMT
#13660
And your current specs are? And the resolution you play at is? And your power supply is? You left out like basically every piece of vital information except for your budget.

That bundle is terrible.

Using CCOnline, this totals to £138.89 which is less expensive and better.

Pentium G860 @ £71.86
http://www.cclonline.com/product/66825/BX80623G860/CPUs/Intel-Pentium-G860-3-0-GHz-Processor/CPU0055/

Gigabyte H61M-S2 @ £46.67
http://www.cclonline.com/product/66803/GA-H61M-S2-B3/Motherboards/Gigabyte-GA-H61M-S2-B3-Socket-1155-Motherboard/MBD0222/

GSkill 4GB @ £20.36
http://www.cclonline.com/product/42190/F3-10666CL9S-4GBRL/Desktop-Memory/G-Skill-4096MB-DDR3-DIMM-Memory-Module-Kit/RAM1100/

You can even afford a core i5 2400 which is a quad at £144.96: http://www.cclonline.com/product/44979/BX80623I52400/CPUs/Intel-Core-i5-2400-3-1GHz-Quad-Core-Processor/CPU1111/ Though most games only utilize two cores or barely utilize three to four so getting a quad instead of a stronger graphics card doesn't make much sense.

By going with a Pentium G860, the money left over which is more than £150. You could afford a Radeon HD6850 or a Radeon HD6870, both of which are capable of playing most games on reasonably high settings at 1080p. You would probably need a new power supply with these two cards so you probably won't be getting these new cards as you may not be able to afford a new power supply.

If you decide to go with the core i5 2400 instead or don't have a sufficient power supply / enough money to purchase a new one. Your options would be something like a Radeon HD6770 or maybe HD6670.
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