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On September 14 2011 06:39 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 06:37 JingleHell wrote:On September 14 2011 06:35 skyR wrote:
Lol XFX won't cover flashing and I'm pretty sure flashing is disabled on the hardware level for all XFX cards. I just knew they do a fairly solid warranty, never looked into it since I've never used their stuff. But yeah, they stopped making the reference cards specifically to make it harder to flash the puppies, I don't see why anyone would make it easy, safe, or guaranteed... Flashing devices like that is where you start to get into the dark arts of computer technology anyway. Like fitting an x16 card into a 1x mini slot. Anyway, whats with all the fan noise talk? For desktops? Isn't that a little bit prissy? I mean my computer sounds like an aircraft but I can't hear it unless I take my headphones off. On top of that, its not like I find the noise of fans objectionable.
many dont use headphones all the time. or like me often there are other people in the room be it my gf watching tv on the bed or buddies when playing fifa or whatever.
and believe me, my dusty stock cooler for my phenom 955 is CRAZY loud. and its even undervolted quite a bit.
yeah its possible to deal with it but the main reason why i plan to get a new case and cooler soon is how stupidly loud my pc is.
also imho bios flashing isnt really that hard. there are good guides out there and in the end you dont have to do much. but ofc the risk of having a dead card is always there unless you have some dual bios.
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Yeah, some cases, particularly with bad fans, make a lot more noise than any high performance rig.
My wife's clunker C2D/GTS 450 is louder at idle than my rig with all the fans cranked, just because of the shitty apevia fans.
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On September 14 2011 06:48 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 06:47 Medrea wrote:On September 14 2011 06:44 JingleHell wrote:
Some people hate noise. Check silentpcreview.com and see how crazy they get.
Besides, you haven't seen loud until you've seen SLI in an Antec 900 in Texas during the Summer. I mine bitcoins. -.- Your move Cookie? I benchmark for fun. You may have more consistent noise, but I can hit the volume.
Oh, maybe then. I use up to 4 GPU's with all the fans clocked to 80 percent since they are all overclocked and some overvolted. Of course i can also quadruple the noise with that last 20 percent I guess.
Friend of mine has 96 GPU's running but thats in an office space. I bet that sounds pretty awesome. You can't live in that room of course because, well the heat will cause brain damage should you ever fall asleep.
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It really is that big of an overkill? I could Crossfire 6870s and save some money but I'm not sure if they'll be able to handle everything.
Oh also, I know everything about loud PCs. I'm pretty sure my Celeron from 2002 is able to break 100 dB whenever you say, insert a cd-rom.
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But yeah, noise doesn't bug me, because my high frequency hearing is shot anyways. But it can be an issue to some people. In particular, if they've had a really bad noise experience, they tend to shy way in the other direction.
And of course, there's audiophiles, or people doing reasonably difficult work on their machine that need to focus.
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On September 14 2011 06:52 Shikyo wrote:
It really is that big of an overkill? I could Crossfire 6870s and save some money but I'm not sure if they'll be able to handle everything.
Handle everything at the highest settings that your human body can fully recognize? Sure, no doubt.
Handle EVERYTHING!?!?! Including way over the top anti aliasing and whatnot? Maybe.
I think one single 6950 is enough to handle all games at a really respectable level just fine. And will for the foreseeable future.
EDIT: Heck I have a 5830 that runs pretty much any game I throw at it really well..... while I mine from it at the same time. It's just video games we are talking about, and those are bottled up at the console level for the most part.
Now Space Engine? That simulator/game hurts.
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On September 14 2011 06:48 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 06:47 Medrea wrote:On September 14 2011 06:44 JingleHell wrote:
Some people hate noise. Check silentpcreview.com and see how crazy they get.
Besides, you haven't seen loud until you've seen SLI in an Antec 900 in Texas during the Summer. I mine bitcoins. -.- Your move Cookie? I benchmark for fun. You may have more consistent noise, but I can hit the volume. Should hear the old 80mm chipset fan I ripped off a dead mobo and slapped over my RAM because I could... Besides, I'm in a Lanboy Air now, with extra fans.
You should post pics of your pc =O
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Liquid Cooled RAM.
Totally necessary.
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On September 14 2011 07:07 Dannnnn_The_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 06:48 JingleHell wrote:On September 14 2011 06:47 Medrea wrote:On September 14 2011 06:44 JingleHell wrote:
Some people hate noise. Check silentpcreview.com and see how crazy they get.
Besides, you haven't seen loud until you've seen SLI in an Antec 900 in Texas during the Summer. I mine bitcoins. -.- Your move Cookie? I benchmark for fun. You may have more consistent noise, but I can hit the volume. Should hear the old 80mm chipset fan I ripped off a dead mobo and slapped over my RAM because I could... Besides, I'm in a Lanboy Air now, with extra fans. You should post pics of your pc =O
You should read my profile.
http://www.modsrigs.com/detail.aspx?BuildID=27646
Or you can follow that to my modsrigs page. Either way.
On September 14 2011 07:09 Medrea wrote:
Liquid Cooled RAM.
Totally necessary.
I already listed the best use. Just like incontrol demonstrated the best use for those stupid spikey heat spreaders. Liquid cooled ram is perfect for a beer bong.
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On September 14 2011 06:54 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 06:52 Shikyo wrote:
It really is that big of an overkill? I could Crossfire 6870s and save some money but I'm not sure if they'll be able to handle everything. Handle everything at the highest settings that your human body can fully recognize? Sure, no doubt. Handle EVERYTHING!?!?! Including way over the top anti aliasing and whatnot? Maybe. I think one single 6950 is enough to handle all games at a really respectable level just fine. And will for the foreseeable future. EDIT: Heck I have a 5830 that runs pretty much any game I throw at it really well..... while I mine from it at the same time. It's just video games we are talking about, and those are bottled up at the console level for the most part. Now Space Engine? That simulator/game hurts.
Did you miss that he was planning on getting 2560x1440/1600 resolution monitor. There is no overkill for that. Actually 6950 cannot even run bfbc2 highest settings really good.
e. and I have 2560x1600 so I have experience on that .
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On September 14 2011 07:11 FinBenton wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 06:54 Medrea wrote:On September 14 2011 06:52 Shikyo wrote:
It really is that big of an overkill? I could Crossfire 6870s and save some money but I'm not sure if they'll be able to handle everything. Handle everything at the highest settings that your human body can fully recognize? Sure, no doubt. Handle EVERYTHING!?!?! Including way over the top anti aliasing and whatnot? Maybe. I think one single 6950 is enough to handle all games at a really respectable level just fine. And will for the foreseeable future. EDIT: Heck I have a 5830 that runs pretty much any game I throw at it really well..... while I mine from it at the same time. It's just video games we are talking about, and those are bottled up at the console level for the most part. Now Space Engine? That simulator/game hurts. Did you miss that he was planning on getting 2560x1440/1600 resolution monitor. There is no overkill for that. Actually 6950 cannot even run bfbc2 highest settings really good. e. and I have 2560x1600 so I have experience on that .
Its the "highest settings" the part I take issue with really.
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On September 14 2011 07:13 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 07:11 FinBenton wrote:On September 14 2011 06:54 Medrea wrote:On September 14 2011 06:52 Shikyo wrote:
It really is that big of an overkill? I could Crossfire 6870s and save some money but I'm not sure if they'll be able to handle everything. Handle everything at the highest settings that your human body can fully recognize? Sure, no doubt. Handle EVERYTHING!?!?! Including way over the top anti aliasing and whatnot? Maybe. I think one single 6950 is enough to handle all games at a really respectable level just fine. And will for the foreseeable future. EDIT: Heck I have a 5830 that runs pretty much any game I throw at it really well..... while I mine from it at the same time. It's just video games we are talking about, and those are bottled up at the console level for the most part. Now Space Engine? That simulator/game hurts. Did you miss that he was planning on getting 2560x1440/1600 resolution monitor. There is no overkill for that. Actually 6950 cannot even run bfbc2 highest settings really good. e. and I have 2560x1600 so I have experience on that . Its the "highest settings" the part I take issue with really.
I mean High with low AA/AF. Atm Im gaming with overclocked GTX480 and framerate drops under 60 in big battles and some parts in multiplayer. When I had GTX480 SLI before, it was constantly over 60fps.
e. oh yeah some people can play under 60 easy but when you are building new sick gaming rig, its not what you want to do 
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On September 14 2011 07:21 FinBenton wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 07:13 Medrea wrote:On September 14 2011 07:11 FinBenton wrote:On September 14 2011 06:54 Medrea wrote:On September 14 2011 06:52 Shikyo wrote:
It really is that big of an overkill? I could Crossfire 6870s and save some money but I'm not sure if they'll be able to handle everything. Handle everything at the highest settings that your human body can fully recognize? Sure, no doubt. Handle EVERYTHING!?!?! Including way over the top anti aliasing and whatnot? Maybe. I think one single 6950 is enough to handle all games at a really respectable level just fine. And will for the foreseeable future. EDIT: Heck I have a 5830 that runs pretty much any game I throw at it really well..... while I mine from it at the same time. It's just video games we are talking about, and those are bottled up at the console level for the most part. Now Space Engine? That simulator/game hurts. Did you miss that he was planning on getting 2560x1440/1600 resolution monitor. There is no overkill for that. Actually 6950 cannot even run bfbc2 highest settings really good. e. and I have 2560x1600 so I have experience on that . Its the "highest settings" the part I take issue with really. I mean High with low AA/AF. Atm Im gaming with overclocked GTX480 and framerate drops under 60 in big battles and some parts in multiplayer. When I had GTX480 SLI before, it was constantly over 60fps. e. oh yeah some people can play under 60 easy but when you are building new sick gaming rig, its not what you want to do
Mmmmm, yeah I suppose. I guess my viewpoint is tainted because I mostly play e-sports candidates with the sometimes graphic hog.
So games like WoW, SC2, Diablo 3, or for other people HoN, LoL, dota, other older games and so forth. Or also:
+ Show Spoiler +Sick independant games like touhou, hellsinker, any one of a million other sick games (independant gaming is REALLY starting to shine.
These games overpowered rigs are so pointless sometimes.
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I recently purchased a new build with a MSI P67A-C43 and I don't like it. The BIOS really suck for overclocking and it doesn't give the VCore that I set. It's really frustrating and I've read around the internet that people have issue with it too.
If i decide to replace my motherboard with something like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230
Will I need to like clean the thermal past on my processor or just reapply more?
I can push Vcore to 1.35V and it won't even run a stable 4.5GHz OC. Is it the CPU or the MOBO? the temps are fine like 60C.
any thoughts or suggestions on switching motherboards? (like if I want to get a really good OC (4.8GHz), what MOBO should I get?)
Also does anyone want to buy a slightly used (2 weeks) MSI P67A-C43 Motherboard for like $50 + shipping? (I can't return it to Newegg, I sent the rebate in already.
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On September 14 2011 07:56 Gattaca.usa wrote:I recently purchased a new build with a MSI P67A-C43 and I don't like it. The BIOS really suck for overclocking and it doesn't give the VCore that I set. It's really frustrating and I've read around the internet that people have issue with it too. If i decide to replace my motherboard with something like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230Will I need to like clean the thermal past on my processor or just reapply more? I can push Vcore to 1.35V and it won't even run a stable 4.5GHz OC. Is it the CPU or the MOBO? the temps are fine like 60C. any thoughts or suggestions on switching motherboards? (like if I want to get a really good OC (4.8GHz), what MOBO should I get?) Also does anyone want to buy a slightly used (2 weeks) MSI P67A-C43 Motherboard for like $50 + shipping? (I can't return it to Newegg, I sent the rebate in already.
Overclocking is luck based a lot of the time. You just might have a CPU that is on the low end. Unless the product codes are cracked, there is NO WAY of knowing for sure how far you will be able to take the chip.
That being said, I am surprised an MSI board, of all boards, is unsatisfactory.
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Yes you need to clean the thermal paste off any time you remove the heatsink. Coffee filter and rubbing alcohol. Easy.
As for stability, it can be either, or it can be your settings for other stuff. Mobo only has moderate amounts to do with OC potential, but for a high OC, you should generally be looking at enthusiast stuff that costs a pile.
And yeah, like Medrea says, luck of the draw.
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MSI P67A-C43 seems to be bad for overclocking, it doesnt seem to have LLC or other core voltage stabilisation functions. Just crank more voltage maybe?
Also, use cpu-z to monitor how much your voltage differs from set number under load.
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yeah i use cpu z/real temp/prime 95.
yeah it has like no options in BIOS to OC... just changing the Vcore and even that doesn't really do what you want.
but still not being able to get 4.5GHz @1.35V is pretty ridiculous. The temps are fine, what is the problem? it blue screens with an error ending in 101 which means more voltage right? but I can't give it more voltage, it is capped.
I'm thinking of this MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157229
any thoughts? any better MOBO for around the same price?
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On September 14 2011 08:00 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 07:56 Gattaca.usa wrote:I recently purchased a new build with a MSI P67A-C43 and I don't like it. The BIOS really suck for overclocking and it doesn't give the VCore that I set. It's really frustrating and I've read around the internet that people have issue with it too. If i decide to replace my motherboard with something like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230Will I need to like clean the thermal past on my processor or just reapply more? I can push Vcore to 1.35V and it won't even run a stable 4.5GHz OC. Is it the CPU or the MOBO? the temps are fine like 60C. any thoughts or suggestions on switching motherboards? (like if I want to get a really good OC (4.8GHz), what MOBO should I get?) Also does anyone want to buy a slightly used (2 weeks) MSI P67A-C43 Motherboard for like $50 + shipping? (I can't return it to Newegg, I sent the rebate in already. Overclocking is luck based a lot of the time. You just might have a CPU that is on the low end. Unless the product codes are cracked, there is NO WAY of knowing for sure how far you will be able to take the chip. That being said, I am surprised an MSI board, of all boards, is unsatisfactory.
Sadly MSI boards are not known for their reliability and quality.
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On September 14 2011 08:43 FragKrag wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 08:00 Medrea wrote:On September 14 2011 07:56 Gattaca.usa wrote:I recently purchased a new build with a MSI P67A-C43 and I don't like it. The BIOS really suck for overclocking and it doesn't give the VCore that I set. It's really frustrating and I've read around the internet that people have issue with it too. If i decide to replace my motherboard with something like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230Will I need to like clean the thermal past on my processor or just reapply more? I can push Vcore to 1.35V and it won't even run a stable 4.5GHz OC. Is it the CPU or the MOBO? the temps are fine like 60C. any thoughts or suggestions on switching motherboards? (like if I want to get a really good OC (4.8GHz), what MOBO should I get?) Also does anyone want to buy a slightly used (2 weeks) MSI P67A-C43 Motherboard for like $50 + shipping? (I can't return it to Newegg, I sent the rebate in already. Overclocking is luck based a lot of the time. You just might have a CPU that is on the low end. Unless the product codes are cracked, there is NO WAY of knowing for sure how far you will be able to take the chip. That being said, I am surprised an MSI board, of all boards, is unsatisfactory. Sadly MSI boards are not known for their reliability and quality.
They're known for really impressive advertising though. Mil-Spec hardware, man, how can you go wrong?
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