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On September 14 2011 06:07 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 06:04 FinBenton wrote:
Also remember to unlock/overclock those 6950's to 6970. Newer ones don't allow that, you will have to find a legacy 6950. I would not suggest doing that either.
Thats 100% safe and they still do open. There are huge thread in other forum. It would be really stupid to NOT TO use cards full potential.
Now obliviously the absolute silence is not the main deal here but that XFX is not the quietest and that SuperFlower is some of the quietest active cooled ones, just something to consider.
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On September 14 2011 06:10 gruff wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 06:07 Medrea wrote:On September 14 2011 06:04 FinBenton wrote:
Also remember to unlock/overclock those 6950's to 6970. Newer ones don't allow that, you will have to find a legacy 6950. I would not suggest doing that either. I considered buying a 6950 a while ago and I found alot of reasonable new ones that people have unlocked. More than not. What do you count as new?
Knowing how these production cycles work, where generally speaking the production run is the same, the quality of the end-result determines the name it gets and what gets placed on the silicon along with it, I wouldn't trust anything but the oldest 6950's and even then i wouldnt trust it.
Remember that, they dont strive to craft the best quality core, and then intentionally craft weaker ones. They do the best damn job they can, and then market the products based on there, eh, defects? Defects is a bad word. Imperfections are maybe better.
In this case, unless I am mistaken, 6950's are failed 6970's that didnt make the grade, and got marketed accordingly. Flashing a 6950 to a 6970 doesnt change the fact that while the firmwares are compatible, the core is still a failed 6970. You aren't magically improving the situation. However, since the 6970 baseline must have shifted, I am guessing some older 6950's qualify under the new 6970 specifications.
Can anyone verify? I know this is true for older generations, but every generation is quite specific.
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On September 14 2011 06:08 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 06:03 Shikyo wrote:
I've checked all the benchmarks of course, and the money/performance value seems to be awesome. All my parts should support Crossfire, right? So there's no extra cost there. I'm just wondering if my case would have good enough airflow. I've read tons of good reviews of it, but usually people who build PCs in this price range suggest much costier cases, hence I'm looking for input here.
Also your "your build is subjective so we wont help you" attitude is downright ridiculous, everyone who buys a PC for gaming instead of work = subjective. Everyone who even buys a video game, all subjective. If you objectively buy a PC it's for work and work only. No one should ever buy gaming consoles either, right? So if they have a problem with their XBox no one can help because the decision to buy them would be subjective?
I really don't understand your problem and your super-high-up-above-the-sky attitude. Don't know what you're getting all butthurt about, you got on your knees and begged for me to show you me being an asshole. Don't misquote me either, won't help and can't help much are entirely different. If you don't know enough about the parts to make informed decisions that work out for what you want, enthusiast components are a waste of money. That includes all factors. If you did so much research, you should know whether the case will work. My problem is you calling me an asshole when I give you the best advice possible regarding the stuff you want to buy, and my attitude has to do with your attitude of needing everything on a silver fucking platter. Either way, I'm done wasting my time with you. Toodle pip.
Don't let him get to you. Every computer business on the planet is programming people to pay for components that are way way out of what they need.
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On September 14 2011 06:18 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 06:10 gruff wrote:On September 14 2011 06:07 Medrea wrote:On September 14 2011 06:04 FinBenton wrote:
Also remember to unlock/overclock those 6950's to 6970. Newer ones don't allow that, you will have to find a legacy 6950. I would not suggest doing that either. I considered buying a 6950 a while ago and I found alot of reasonable new ones that people have unlocked. More than not. What do you count as new? Knowing how these production cycles work, where generally speaking the production run is the same, the quality of the end-result determines the name it gets and what gets placed on the silicon along with it, I wouldn't trust anything but the oldest 6950's and even then i wouldnt trust it. Remember that, they dont strive to craft the best quality core, and then intentionally craft weaker ones. They do the best damn job they can, and then market the products based on there, eh, defects? Defects is a bad word. Imperfections are maybe better. In this case, unless I am mistaken, 6950's are failed 6970's that didnt make the grade, and got marketed accordingly. Flashing a 6950 to a 6970 doesnt change the fact that while the firmwares are compatible, the core is still a failed 6970. You aren't magically improving the situation. However, since the 6970 baseline must have shifted, I am guessing some older 6950's qualify under the new 6970 specifications. Can anyone verify? I know this is true for older generations, but every generation is quite specific.
Not always. That production is so refined that most of the cores turn out 6970 but hey still have sell some of them as lower ones. I have seen that 90-95% of the cards turn out perfectly as 6970 and with rest you might need to raise voltage a bit.
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On September 14 2011 06:12 FinBenton wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 06:07 Medrea wrote:On September 14 2011 06:04 FinBenton wrote:
Also remember to unlock/overclock those 6950's to 6970. Newer ones don't allow that, you will have to find a legacy 6950. I would not suggest doing that either. It would be really stupid to NOT TO use cards full potential.
As skyr said if you fail the flash you might have a complete paper weight on your hands, tought to say. You would have to know the peice of hardware you hold in your hands VERY well to make to the call for sure. It's not like installing drivers or some shit like that. This is very very different.
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On September 14 2011 06:22 FinBenton wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 06:18 Medrea wrote:On September 14 2011 06:10 gruff wrote:On September 14 2011 06:07 Medrea wrote:On September 14 2011 06:04 FinBenton wrote:
Also remember to unlock/overclock those 6950's to 6970. Newer ones don't allow that, you will have to find a legacy 6950. I would not suggest doing that either. I considered buying a 6950 a while ago and I found alot of reasonable new ones that people have unlocked. More than not. What do you count as new? Knowing how these production cycles work, where generally speaking the production run is the same, the quality of the end-result determines the name it gets and what gets placed on the silicon along with it, I wouldn't trust anything but the oldest 6950's and even then i wouldnt trust it. Remember that, they dont strive to craft the best quality core, and then intentionally craft weaker ones. They do the best damn job they can, and then market the products based on there, eh, defects? Defects is a bad word. Imperfections are maybe better. In this case, unless I am mistaken, 6950's are failed 6970's that didnt make the grade, and got marketed accordingly. Flashing a 6950 to a 6970 doesnt change the fact that while the firmwares are compatible, the core is still a failed 6970. You aren't magically improving the situation. However, since the 6970 baseline must have shifted, I am guessing some older 6950's qualify under the new 6970 specifications. Can anyone verify? I know this is true for older generations, but every generation is quite specific. Not always. That production is so refined that most of the cores turn out 6970 but hey still have sell some of them as lower ones. I have seen that 90-95% of the cards turn out perfectly as 6970 and with rest you might need to raise voltage a bit.
I think that is the defective to live ratio you are talking about, but I am not certain. AFAIK production cycles are built to never stop and they never stop the run until the quota is met or the parts they use is run into the ground.
As you might expect the quality of the run is very high at the start, goes down very quickly, and then tapers off at mid quality. Start of the run is where you get your unlockable CPU's and whatnot.
They started doing this when they found out that imperfect merchandise is marketable. Otherwise I used to hear amazing stories like when the product codes for Pentium 3's were leaked, and people were obtaining royal processors and overclocking them to 3 GHz, insane for that chip.
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Should a GTX 560 Ti be able to play every game for the most part on the best settings?
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On September 14 2011 06:28 Dannnnn_The_Man wrote:
Should a GTX 560 Ti be able to play every game for the most part on the best settings?
Depends on resolution and whether you count AA/AF being maxed as part of "best settings".
1080p, with reasonable but not maxed AA/AF, yeah. Go above that on either of those, and maybe depending on OC.
Try to max AA/AF, and not likely. A solid number, but not almost everything.
From there, the smaller the resolution, the more you can max. Most people don't need a ton of AA/AF anyway. AF maybe a little more than AA, but it's usually pretty hard to tell the difference, and AA is only noticeable with low pixel density.
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On September 14 2011 06:22 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 06:12 FinBenton wrote:On September 14 2011 06:07 Medrea wrote:On September 14 2011 06:04 FinBenton wrote:
Also remember to unlock/overclock those 6950's to 6970. Newer ones don't allow that, you will have to find a legacy 6950. I would not suggest doing that either. It would be really stupid to NOT TO use cards full potential. As skyr said if you fail the flash you might have a complete paper weight on your hands, tought to say. You would have to know the peice of hardware you hold in your hands VERY well to make to the call for sure. It's not like installing drivers or some shit like that. This is very very different.
Oh I thought those cards still had that dual bios switch, my bad... Its still very low risk though.
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On September 14 2011 06:31 FinBenton wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 06:22 Medrea wrote:On September 14 2011 06:12 FinBenton wrote:On September 14 2011 06:07 Medrea wrote:On September 14 2011 06:04 FinBenton wrote:
Also remember to unlock/overclock those 6950's to 6970. Newer ones don't allow that, you will have to find a legacy 6950. I would not suggest doing that either. It would be really stupid to NOT TO use cards full potential. As skyr said if you fail the flash you might have a complete paper weight on your hands, tought to say. You would have to know the peice of hardware you hold in your hands VERY well to make to the call for sure. It's not like installing drivers or some shit like that. This is very very different. Oh I thought those cards still had that dual bios switch, my bad... Its still very low risk though.
Maybe EVGA will warrantee it? Not sure.
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On September 14 2011 06:33 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 06:31 FinBenton wrote:On September 14 2011 06:22 Medrea wrote:On September 14 2011 06:12 FinBenton wrote:On September 14 2011 06:07 Medrea wrote:On September 14 2011 06:04 FinBenton wrote:
Also remember to unlock/overclock those 6950's to 6970. Newer ones don't allow that, you will have to find a legacy 6950. I would not suggest doing that either. It would be really stupid to NOT TO use cards full potential. As skyr said if you fail the flash you might have a complete paper weight on your hands, tought to say. You would have to know the peice of hardware you hold in your hands VERY well to make to the call for sure. It's not like installing drivers or some shit like that. This is very very different. Oh I thought those cards still had that dual bios switch, my bad... Its still very low risk though. Maybe EVGA will warrantee it? Not sure.
If there's no physical damage, it's covered, theoretically. Of course, EVGA doesn't make AMD cards, so it's kind of moot? Check XFX instead.
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Lol XFX won't cover flashing and I'm pretty sure flashing is disabled on the hardware level for all XFX cards.
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I dont have any facts regarding to that other that what I have been reading from finnish forum I mainly use where those XFX units are really popular. A lot of people have bought them and said they can clearly hear the fan spinning. What comes to those with golden green units, no one so far have even heard of the fan noise (its not silent but its something like 900rpm to 1300max) 
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On September 14 2011 06:34 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 06:33 Medrea wrote:On September 14 2011 06:31 FinBenton wrote:On September 14 2011 06:22 Medrea wrote:On September 14 2011 06:12 FinBenton wrote:On September 14 2011 06:07 Medrea wrote:On September 14 2011 06:04 FinBenton wrote:
Also remember to unlock/overclock those 6950's to 6970. Newer ones don't allow that, you will have to find a legacy 6950. I would not suggest doing that either. It would be really stupid to NOT TO use cards full potential. As skyr said if you fail the flash you might have a complete paper weight on your hands, tought to say. You would have to know the peice of hardware you hold in your hands VERY well to make to the call for sure. It's not like installing drivers or some shit like that. This is very very different. Oh I thought those cards still had that dual bios switch, my bad... Its still very low risk though. Maybe EVGA will warrantee it? Not sure. If there's no physical damage, it's covered, theoretically. Of course, EVGA doesn't make AMD cards, so it's kind of moot? Check XFX instead.
Oh shit your right. Anyway I dont think XFX will.
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On September 14 2011 06:35 skyR wrote:
Lol XFX won't cover flashing and I'm pretty sure flashing is disabled on the hardware level for all XFX cards.
I just knew they do a fairly solid warranty, never looked into it since I've never used their stuff.
But yeah, they stopped making the reference cards specifically to make it harder to flash the puppies, I don't see why anyone would make it easy, safe, or guaranteed...
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On September 14 2011 06:37 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 06:35 skyR wrote:
Lol XFX won't cover flashing and I'm pretty sure flashing is disabled on the hardware level for all XFX cards. I just knew they do a fairly solid warranty, never looked into it since I've never used their stuff. But yeah, they stopped making the reference cards specifically to make it harder to flash the puppies, I don't see why anyone would make it easy, safe, or guaranteed...
Flashing devices like that is where you start to get into the dark arts of computer technology anyway.
Like fitting an x16 card into a 1x mini slot.
Anyway, whats with all the fan noise talk? For desktops? Isn't that a little bit prissy? I mean my computer sounds like an aircraft but I can't hear it unless I take my headphones off.
On top of that, its not like I find the noise of fans objectionable.
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Some people hate noise. Check silentpcreview.com and see how crazy they get.
Besides, you haven't seen loud until you've seen SLI in an Antec 900 in Texas during the Summer.
Oh, in other news, Kingston HyperX is now making water cooled RAM.
http://www.kingston.com/hyperx/products/H2O.asp
Just for new levels of WTF are you thinking factor... Can't wait to see the ads with Idra and Incontrol beer-bonging through it...
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On September 14 2011 06:44 JingleHell wrote:
Some people hate noise. Check silentpcreview.com and see how crazy they get.
Besides, you haven't seen loud until you've seen SLI in an Antec 900 in Texas during the Summer.
I mine bitcoins.
-.- Your move
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On September 14 2011 06:47 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 06:44 JingleHell wrote:
Some people hate noise. Check silentpcreview.com and see how crazy they get.
Besides, you haven't seen loud until you've seen SLI in an Antec 900 in Texas during the Summer. I mine bitcoins. -.- Your move
Cookie? I benchmark for fun. You may have more consistent noise, but I can hit the volume.
Should hear the old 80mm chipset fan I ripped off a dead mobo and slapped over my RAM because I could... Besides, I'm in a Lanboy Air now, with extra fans.
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