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Futureproofing is a bad idea. Jingle will surely have something to say about that. Especially with memory. You'll have a hard time ever getting close to 8GB, and if you do memory is the easiest to upgrade. Just get 2x4GB.
Did you ever post one of the "requests" with the questionnaire filled out? I don't recall seeing it. Can't say much else about the build without knowing your needs and budget.
Why do you need 6950's in Crossfire? Are you at least getting a 120Hz monitor or something?
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Meh, future proofing isn't a bad idea, it's just fairly impossible. You can, at most, future proof to a set point, if you do research beforehand. For example, you can currently future proof a PC to run almost any game released on minimum settings, up until the next consoles release.
Aside from a set goal and a set point in time, with a willingness to go below maximum settings, future proofing a PC requires clairvoyance.
RAM is useless for that, seeing as it just lets you run more shit at once, instead of making anything faster.
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On September 14 2011 05:20 Wabbit wrote:Futureproofing is a bad idea. Jingle will surely have something to say about that. Especially with memory. You'll have a hard time ever getting close to 8GB, and if you do memory is the easiest to upgrade. Just get 2x4GB. Did you ever post one of the "requests" with the questionnaire filled out? I don't recall seeing it. Can't say much else about the build without knowing your needs and budget. Why do you need 6950's in Crossfire? Are you at least getting a 120Hz monitor or something?
No request. I don't really have a hugely limiting budget, idea is to get an awesome machine with good cost-efficiency. I guess 1800 but I wouldn't want to spend that much. I have a 1920x1080 HD monitor but I'm planning on getting a 2600x1600 or 2560x1440 one in the future. Usages would be playing games while recording in HD, video encoding, streaming, stuff like that.
Need 6950's in Crossfire because it's extremely cost-efficient and futureproof and can run anything on highest graphics on my 1920x1080 and it's needed when I upgrade into 2600x1600 or 2560x1440 early next year, likely. I also play everything on windowed fullscreen and multitask alot.
Maybe a 2600k would be ideal?
By the way, the 30 euro on the extra RAM isn't too significant to me so don't get too caught up on that.
EDIT: Btw the obvious plan is to overclock so I wonder if the motherboard and the cooler are sufficient for some decent overclocking... I guess I'd need to buy more fans, eh?
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Basically, you're looking at a plan for buying PCs that really doesn't fit the point of this thread.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=246342
Read over that. You're well into enthusiast component turf, which means only you can determine value, since price/performance goes out the window with the stuff.
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On September 14 2011 05:24 JingleHell wrote:
Meh, future proofing isn't a bad idea, it's just fairly impossible. You can, at most, future proof to a set point, if you do research beforehand. For example, you can currently future proof a PC to run almost any game released on minimum settings, up until the next consoles release.
Aside from a set goal and a set point in time, with a willingness to go below maximum settings, future proofing a PC requires clairvoyance.
RAM is useless for that, seeing as it just lets you run more shit at once, instead of making anything faster.
It is pretty pointless to future proof at the moment. Every game maker under the sun is heavily influenced by the console market. This discourages developing or optimizing to push the current graphical boundary in any way.
Knowing this, card makers have been rebranding (nVidia) or retooling (ATI/AMD) existing technology with a higher price point and nominal performance increases for profits.
When new generation consoles are out, card makers will drive to crush those consoles in tech. THAT'S when you future proof.
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Huh? I just asked if they work well together or if the case has good enough airflow etc, I'm not asking for a completely new build here.
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I'm telling you that people here can't answer whether they work well, because it's well above optimal price/performance, which makes "work well" a subjective matter.
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Since you are going balls out on your components you might as well get a sata 3 and possible larger ssd.
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On September 14 2011 05:44 JingleHell wrote:
I'm telling you that people here can't answer whether they work well, because it's well above optimal price/performance, which makes "work well" a subjective matter.
Got a feeling you're just being arbitatily an asshole, there's nothing subjective about there being enough cooling or airflow, if you don't feel like being helpful then just don't reply.
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On September 14 2011 05:47 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 05:44 JingleHell wrote:
I'm telling you that people here can't answer whether they work well, because it's well above optimal price/performance, which makes "work well" a subjective matter. Got a feeling you're just being arbitatily an asshole, there's nothing subjective about there being enough cooling or airflow, if you don't feel like being helpful then just don't reply.
Actually, when I'm an asshole, it's anything but arbitrary. It's usually vindictive. Anyway, if you were smart enough to make use of the components you're talking about, you'd be able to find benchmarks for your own damn self, so in your case, no the components won't work well together.
And if you honestly think anyone can tell you for sure whether cooling will be functional, I'm right in that assessment, because there's too many factors that go into it, making it... subjective.
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That is really good price/performance ratio when it comes to playing with those kinda resolutions. Only thing I would change is better case like Fractal Design and 8GB of ram is absolutely fine for gaming. 2500k is great for gaming, 2600k if you have the budjet and use heavy multithreaded applications.
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I've checked all the benchmarks of course, and the money/performance value seems to be awesome. All my parts should support Crossfire, right? So there's no extra cost there. I'm just wondering if my case would have good enough airflow. I've read tons of good reviews of it, but usually people who build PCs in this price range suggest much costier cases, hence I'm looking for input here.
Also your "your build is subjective so we wont help you" attitude is downright ridiculous, everyone who buys a PC for gaming instead of work = subjective. Everyone who even buys a video game, all subjective. If you objectively buy a PC it's for work and work only. No one should ever buy gaming consoles either, right? So if they have a problem with their XBox no one can help because the decision to buy them would be subjective?
I really don't understand your problem and your super-high-up-above-the-sky attitude.
On September 14 2011 06:02 FinBenton wrote:That is really good price/performance ratio when it comes to playing with those kinda resolutions. Only thing I would change is better case like Fractal Design and 8GB of ram is absolutely fine for gaming. 2500k is great for gaming, 2600k if you have the budjet and use heavy multithreaded applications.
Thanks for your reply =) I'll check that case out. Is 8GB still enough if I say, stream or record and maybe play 2 games simultaneously?
On September 14 2011 06:04 FinBenton wrote:
Also remember to unlock/overclock those 6950's to 6970.
Oh that's still possible?
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Also remember to unlock/overclock those 6950's to 6970.
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On September 14 2011 05:47 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 05:44 JingleHell wrote:
I'm telling you that people here can't answer whether they work well, because it's well above optimal price/performance, which makes "work well" a subjective matter. Got a feeling you're just being arbitatily an asshole, there's nothing subjective about there being enough cooling or airflow, if you don't feel like being helpful then just don't reply.
OK well Ill give it a go then. Your computer specs are WAY off in enthusiast land. A good 50 percent of your money is sunk into performance that will never see the light of day for a couple years or more. And a couple years from now cheaper items will be available to upgrade to anyway, even considering the price of the previous part.
When tasked with such a build, your limit is whatever you want it to be. Go ahead and fill all 5 or 10 or so slots with fans. Go liquid cooling, whatever. Sky is the limit. Just make sure that fans in front of a filter are sucking air into the unit. The rest can be point out.
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On September 14 2011 06:04 FinBenton wrote:
Also remember to unlock/overclock those 6950's to 6970.
Newer ones don't allow that, you will have to find a legacy 6950.
I would not suggest doing that either.
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On September 14 2011 06:03 Shikyo wrote:
I've checked all the benchmarks of course, and the money/performance value seems to be awesome. All my parts should support Crossfire, right? So there's no extra cost there. I'm just wondering if my case would have good enough airflow. I've read tons of good reviews of it, but usually people who build PCs in this price range suggest much costier cases, hence I'm looking for input here.
Also your "your build is subjective so we wont help you" attitude is downright ridiculous, everyone who buys a PC for gaming instead of work = subjective. Everyone who even buys a video game, all subjective. If you objectively buy a PC it's for work and work only. No one should ever buy gaming consoles either, right? So if they have a problem with their XBox no one can help because the decision to buy them would be subjective?
I really don't understand your problem and your super-high-up-above-the-sky attitude.
Don't know what you're getting all butthurt about, you got on your knees and begged for me to show you me being an asshole.
Don't misquote me either, won't help and can't help much are entirely different. If you don't know enough about the parts to make informed decisions that work out for what you want, enthusiast components are a waste of money. That includes all factors. If you did so much research, you should know whether the case will work.
My problem is you calling me an asshole when I give you the best advice possible regarding the stuff you want to buy, and my attitude has to do with your attitude of needing everything on a silver fucking platter.
Either way, I'm done wasting my time with you. Toodle pip.
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Fractal Design Define R3 is about silence. A multi-GPU configuration sort of defeats the whole purpose of the case.
Unlocking 6950 to 6970 is still possible on some cards though all (most) of the cards aren't reference designs anymore so there isn't a dual BIOS switch, some cards will also require modding on the hardware level. So if you fail your flash, you have a paper weight.
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If you're going to get a Crossfire HD 6950 build, I'd make the following changes:
cheapest 2 x 4GB RAM kit (uh, if this is a gaming build, 8GB is already way overkill)
power supply change to XFX Core 750W (76,10 €) since 650W is out of stock, though the Golden Green modular version is very good if you want a high-quality modular unit:
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=42451&agid=1630
change sound card to Xonar DG (24,61 €) if you use headphones; if you just use speakers, unless they're really really good I'd just use onboard sound and ditch the sound card
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=38415&agid=767
change CPU cooler to Alpenfohn Brocken (30,28 €) for cheaper price, not critical
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=25712&agid=669
upgrade SSD to at least Crucial M4 64GB (87,14 €) if not better; seriously, why get a first-gen SandForce now?
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=46113&agid=1145
In terms of cooling, for traditional cases it's better but not absolutely necessary to have a side panel intake fan positioned to provide fresh air to the graphics cards, particularly the one on top. You can just get a case with an intake slot there that doesn't seem like it would rattle a lot.
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On September 14 2011 06:07 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 06:04 FinBenton wrote:
Also remember to unlock/overclock those 6950's to 6970. Newer ones don't allow that, you will have to find a legacy 6950. I would not suggest doing that either.
I considered buying a 6950 a while ago and I found alot of reasonable new ones that people have unlocked. More than not. What do you count as new?
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