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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-13 15:57:40
September 13 2011 15:56 GMT
#11161
On September 14 2011 00:54 Legatus Lanius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 00:48 JingleHell wrote:
Uhm, so go AMD, get a massively worse CPU, spend more on the motherboard, end up saving $10-15, and getting ~25-30% worse performance in tasks the AMD does well at. Good idea.

I agree, 2400 is better than 2300, but AMD sucks right now, and isn't looking to get any better, sadly.

If you want a mobo that's safe for running the recent Ph2 CPUs, you aren't paying less than you would for a reasonable H61 or H67 board.


bulldozer is going to claim lives my friend


Yeah, when people who bought AM3+ boards hoping BD would be competitive kill themselves.

Or are they constantly delaying so they can be fashionably late? Don't take me for an Intel fanboy, I'm a performance fanboy. I entirely wish AMD could compete, so prices would be lower.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
September 13 2011 16:17 GMT
#11162
On September 14 2011 00:56 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 00:54 Legatus Lanius wrote:
On September 14 2011 00:48 JingleHell wrote:
Uhm, so go AMD, get a massively worse CPU, spend more on the motherboard, end up saving $10-15, and getting ~25-30% worse performance in tasks the AMD does well at. Good idea.

I agree, 2400 is better than 2300, but AMD sucks right now, and isn't looking to get any better, sadly.

If you want a mobo that's safe for running the recent Ph2 CPUs, you aren't paying less than you would for a reasonable H61 or H67 board.


bulldozer is going to claim lives my friend


Yeah, when people who bought AM3+ boards hoping BD would be competitive kill themselves.

Or are they constantly delaying so they can be fashionably late? Don't take me for an Intel fanboy, I'm a performance fanboy. I entirely wish AMD could compete, so prices would be lower.


Anyone else get the feeling that Intel is so far ahead and is just running away with it?
twitch.tv/medrea
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 13 2011 16:18 GMT
#11163
On September 14 2011 01:17 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 00:56 JingleHell wrote:
On September 14 2011 00:54 Legatus Lanius wrote:
On September 14 2011 00:48 JingleHell wrote:
Uhm, so go AMD, get a massively worse CPU, spend more on the motherboard, end up saving $10-15, and getting ~25-30% worse performance in tasks the AMD does well at. Good idea.

I agree, 2400 is better than 2300, but AMD sucks right now, and isn't looking to get any better, sadly.

If you want a mobo that's safe for running the recent Ph2 CPUs, you aren't paying less than you would for a reasonable H61 or H67 board.


bulldozer is going to claim lives my friend


Yeah, when people who bought AM3+ boards hoping BD would be competitive kill themselves.

Or are they constantly delaying so they can be fashionably late? Don't take me for an Intel fanboy, I'm a performance fanboy. I entirely wish AMD could compete, so prices would be lower.


Anyone else get the feeling that Intel is so far ahead and is just running away with it?


Right now, Intel is kind of the Secretariat of CPU manufacturers, yes.
PurpleStop
Profile Joined August 2011
United States11 Posts
September 13 2011 16:30 GMT
#11164
So after all this AMD bashing is this build better?


MOBO: GA-H55M-S2V LGA 1156 Intel H55 mATX Intel Motherboard
CPU: Intel Core i5 2400 LGA 1155 Boxed Processor
RAM: Signature Line 4GB DDR3-1333 (PC3-10600) CL9 Desktop Memory Module x 2
GPU: GV-R687OC-1GD AMD Radeon HD 6870 1024MB GDDR5 PCIe 2.1 x16 Video Card
HD: Spinpoint F3 500GB 7,200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive HD502HJ – OEM
PSU: High Current Gamer Series HCG-520 520W ATX Power Supply
Case: Three Hundred ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
"The only thing greater than man... is money"
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-13 16:36:26
September 13 2011 16:36 GMT
#11165
No. That motherboard is not compatible with that processor.

1155 != 1156

You should be looking for an H67 or H61
PurpleStop
Profile Joined August 2011
United States11 Posts
September 13 2011 16:39 GMT
#11166
Thank you.
Additionally, if I use the student discount to purchase the windows 7 upgrade for $30 do I need to find an older version of windows to install on the blank hard drive first?
"The only thing greater than man... is money"
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-13 16:43:30
September 13 2011 16:43 GMT
#11167
is it even worth getting the hcg over the neo eco? in australia, its an extra 20-30 bucks

nevermind, make that 10 dollars lol
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 13 2011 16:46 GMT
#11168
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157254

I guess this mobo would be good enough for you. You can get cheaper ones though if you don't mind m-ATX.

Also AMDs best processors actually go back-and-forth with i5 2400 but I guess you can just go with the intel cpu, AMDs best price-performance ratio CPUs are in a bit lower price range anyway.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
September 13 2011 16:46 GMT
#11169
On September 14 2011 01:39 PurpleStop wrote:
Thank you.
Additionally, if I use the student discount to purchase the windows 7 upgrade for $30 do I need to find an older version of windows to install on the blank hard drive first?


No it will work anyway.
PurpleStop
Profile Joined August 2011
United States11 Posts
September 13 2011 16:53 GMT
#11170
I can not even begin to tell these CPU's apart. Anyone have any recomendations?


http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0361414 - $75

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0361688 - $75

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0358081 - $80

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0371994 - $65

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0359807 - $65


Is the neo eco that much better than the HCG? I like the idea of getting all the parts from microcenter so I can build the PC today. If it is best to wait I can.
"The only thing greater than man... is money"
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-13 17:12:14
September 13 2011 17:11 GMT
#11171
On September 14 2011 01:53 PurpleStop wrote:
I can not even begin to tell these CPU's apart. Anyone have any recomendations?


http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0361414 - $75

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0361688 - $75

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0358081 - $80

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0371994 - $65

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0359807 - $65


Is the neo eco that much better than the HCG? I like the idea of getting all the parts from microcenter so I can build the PC today. If it is best to wait I can.


Those are motherboards. I'd get either the Gigabyte H61M-S2H if you don't want USB3 or the MSI H61MU if you do want USB3. You can always buy an expansion card with USB3 ports if need be later on though. USB3 is for if you have something like an external hard drive, faster USB flash drive, TV tuner or other video input device, or something along those lines, that supports USB3, or if you plan to get one of those things.

Neo Eco is same as the lower-wattage HCG, but slightly worse (worse components, like 2% worse efficiency, no power cord included, but same design and performance more or less).
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 13 2011 17:12 GMT
#11172
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0371994

This one is the cheapest and has a nice warranty though I'm not sure why it recommends 500+W PSU and the other 65$ one recommends only 350+W.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-13 17:15:57
September 13 2011 17:15 GMT
#11173
On September 14 2011 02:12 Shikyo wrote:
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0371994

This one is the cheapest and has a nice warranty though I'm not sure why it recommends 500+W PSU and the other 65$ one recommends only 350+W.


Mobo manufacturer PSU suggestions are even more useless than GPU manufacturer ones. Should be ignored completely, unless you're making fun of it.

They don't know what you're putting in the rig. That's why the difference is there.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 13 2011 17:30 GMT
#11174
On September 14 2011 02:15 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 02:12 Shikyo wrote:
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0371994

This one is the cheapest and has a nice warranty though I'm not sure why it recommends 500+W PSU and the other 65$ one recommends only 350+W.


Mobo manufacturer PSU suggestions are even more useless than GPU manufacturer ones. Should be ignored completely, unless you're making fun of it.

They don't know what you're putting in the rig. That's why the difference is there.

Yeah the reason I was wondering is that it's perfectly viable to build a computer using that mobo that uses way less than 400W. I guess it's because of the additional expansion slots?

And yeah kind of making fun of it, just trying to think of the reasoning.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 13 2011 17:35 GMT
#11175
On September 14 2011 02:30 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 02:15 JingleHell wrote:
On September 14 2011 02:12 Shikyo wrote:
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0371994

This one is the cheapest and has a nice warranty though I'm not sure why it recommends 500+W PSU and the other 65$ one recommends only 350+W.


Mobo manufacturer PSU suggestions are even more useless than GPU manufacturer ones. Should be ignored completely, unless you're making fun of it.

They don't know what you're putting in the rig. That's why the difference is there.

Yeah the reason I was wondering is that it's perfectly viable to build a computer using that mobo that uses way less than 400W. I guess it's because of the additional expansion slots?

And yeah kind of making fun of it, just trying to think of the reasoning.


Same as the GPU manufacturers reasoning. Make sure that when you buy a garbage, overrated stick of dynamite mislabeled as a PSU, you at least get one that will make your PC turn on until it dies.
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
September 13 2011 19:42 GMT
#11176
On September 14 2011 01:46 Shikyo wrote:
Also AMDs best processors actually go back-and-forth with i5 2400 but I guess you can just go with the intel cpu, AMDs best price-performance ratio CPUs are in a bit lower price range anyway.


This has been repeated hundreds of times on this forum... it's not true, and the benchmarks don't lie...
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/203?vs=363

i5 2400 vs Phenom ii X6 1100T. Exact same price on newegg. The 1100T gets destroyed in most applications, especially gaming. 30% more FPS in SC2.

I'm still looking to Bulldozer for some hope...

Now with the release of the Celeron budget line of Sandy Bridge for ~$50, Intel will dominate even the lowest-budget market, where some Athlon II's made sense in some situations.
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-13 19:56:52
September 13 2011 19:56 GMT
#11177
On September 14 2011 04:42 Wabbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 01:46 Shikyo wrote:
Also AMDs best processors actually go back-and-forth with i5 2400 but I guess you can just go with the intel cpu, AMDs best price-performance ratio CPUs are in a bit lower price range anyway.


This has been repeated hundreds of times on this forum... it's not true, and the benchmarks don't lie...
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/203?vs=363

i5 2400 vs Phenom ii X6 1100T. Exact same price on newegg. The 1100T gets destroyed in most applications, especially gaming. 30% more FPS in SC2.

I'm still looking to Bulldozer for some hope...

Now with the release of the Celeron budget line of Sandy Bridge for ~$50, Intel will dominate even the lowest-budget market, where some Athlon II's made sense in some situations.

It's black edition and those are stock frequencies... (not saying you're incorrect though but you can't compare exactly like that)
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 13 2011 19:58 GMT
#11178
On September 14 2011 04:56 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 04:42 Wabbit wrote:
On September 14 2011 01:46 Shikyo wrote:
Also AMDs best processors actually go back-and-forth with i5 2400 but I guess you can just go with the intel cpu, AMDs best price-performance ratio CPUs are in a bit lower price range anyway.


This has been repeated hundreds of times on this forum... it's not true, and the benchmarks don't lie...
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/203?vs=363

i5 2400 vs Phenom ii X6 1100T. Exact same price on newegg. The 1100T gets destroyed in most applications, especially gaming. 30% more FPS in SC2.

I'm still looking to Bulldozer for some hope...

Now with the release of the Celeron budget line of Sandy Bridge for ~$50, Intel will dominate even the lowest-budget market, where some Athlon II's made sense in some situations.

It's black edition and those are stock frequencies...


Ok, so if we get good mobo, swap up to a 2500k and a decent P67, who wins?

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/intel_corei7_2600k_and_corei5_2500k/13.htm

Apparently not AMD.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 13 2011 20:05 GMT
#11179
It doesn't astonish me that for the individual who doesn't know anything about power consumption also doesn't know anything about modern CPUs.
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
September 13 2011 20:06 GMT
#11180
On September 14 2011 04:56 Shikyo wrote:

It's black edition and those are stock frequencies... (not saying you're incorrect though but you can't compare exactly like that)


Well, you sort of have to, because OC'ing adds additional cost. Assuming mobo prices would be the same, adding a $30 cooler to the 1100T and overclocking it to 4GHz still puts it behind or barely equal in most/all games (compared to a stock 2500k, which is only 200MHz higher than the 2400).

Not to mention you probably can't overclock a 1100T on a low-priced mobo, but you can get that performance with the i5 on any low-end $50 1155 mobo.

No matter which way we look at it, sadly, the Intel chips come ahead. It's not that we're fanboys (I personally dislike Intel), but we're very-well informed informed consumers.
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
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