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On September 03 2011 02:58 gruff wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2011 02:28 JingleHell wrote:On September 03 2011 02:27 gruff wrote:
Hwmonitor shows 70 C when I run prime95. On the cores, yes? Utterly safe if so. If you get a variance like that, and don't have the means to test the stuff (accuracy of the software, unfortunately, is capable of varying by system), just use the highest number for the most safety. Stupid cheap mans testing method STRONGLY not suggested Open this spoiler at your own risk. Use of this method is NOT suggested, but it will technically work. + Show Spoiler +You can, if you're willing to risk permanent damage, run your PC without a CPU cooler and put a mild load on the processor, with different monitor software open, and see which one is closest to TjMax when it shuts down. This is incredibly risky, potentially stupid, and not really worth it. Yes on the cores. I had been going with the asus for a while and got a little alarmed by the big difference when I tried hwmonitor. First time installing a cpu cooler as well so I'm a bit paranoid. I'm not going to try that method though. 
Yeah, 70 is fine. Hell, stock cooler at stock clocks on some first gen i7s hit 79 on the cores...
And good idea. Generally anyone who really needs to know down to the degree has the means to find out.
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Not as good as it's bigger brothers but it's still good.
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Hmmm, i feel very gay for asking this, but how do i go about overclocking my system? I want to be completely clear before i go doing anything drastic.
This is what the program i have looks like that came with my asrock p67 pro3, but i can not quite make sense of this.
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It's pretty simple. Raise multiplier to say 44 for 4.4GHz or 45 for 4.5GHz and so on. You can raise vcore to 1.3v and than work your way down or up. The same can be said for the multiplier, you can go up or down until you find something stable at a specific voltage you like.
Don't go in .100 increments for the voltage. If it's not stable at 1.3v or you don't like it being there, don't raise it to 1.4v... raise it slowly (ex. 0.025v or 0.01v) so 1.3v would become 1.31v.
Your DRAM voltagea is sort of.... weird? It should either be 1.5v or 1.65v since those are manufacturer specs =\
I wouldn't do overclocking through software either. It's best to do it in the BIOS.
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This probably may seem like a very stupid question to you but, how do i know when i have achieved a good voltage? What if i go say too high of a voltage what will happen?
O and the dram was probably me by accident once, it starts on startup.
"You can raise vcore to 1.3v and than work your way down or up." What exactly am i trying to accomplish by raising or lowering, am i trying to somehow his a sweetspot?
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If you want to fasttrack, look at what your stock voltage is right now under a prime95 load. Increase this by 0.05v (so if it's 1.25v, you would increase to 1.3v) and set the multiplier to whatever you want, 1.3v can achieve 4.6GHz - 4.8GHz on some pieces of silicon. You probably don't want to exceed 1.4v if you don't know what you're doing... This value is subjective, some will say 1.38v, others will say 1.35v or 1.3v, use your own judgement.
If you want to go at it slowly, just increase multiplier to 43, 44, 45 while keeping it at stock voltage. Do so until it is no longer full load stable and than start increasing the voltage by small increments or lowering the multiplier.
Your goal of lowering voltage is to achieve lower power consumption and lower temperatures. It'll also help with lifespan but with reasonable voltages, your 2500k will long be obsolete before it dies on you. You only raise it if the processor isn't stable (freezes or bsod during gameplay / full load).
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@LuCiD37
i have a couple of question
you are doing sli or crosfire?
if you are not why buying that motherboard?
why you like that supply power?
why use 1600 memory when is almost the same that 1333 memorys?
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On September 03 2011 06:50 skyR wrote:
If you want to fasttrack, look at what your stock voltage is right now under a prime95 load. Increase this by 0.05v (so if it's 1.25v, you would increase to 1.3v) and set the multiplier to whatever you want, 1.3v can achieve 4.6GHz - 4.8GHz on some pieces of silicon. You probably don't want to exceed 1.4v if you don't know what you're doing... This value is subjective, some will say 1.38v, others will say 1.35v or 1.3v, use your own judgement.
If you want to go at it slowly, just increase multiplier to 43, 44, 45 while keeping it at stock voltage. Do so until it is no longer full load stable and than start increasing the voltage by small increments or lowering the multiplier.
Your goal of lowering voltage is to achieve lower power consumption and lower temperatures. It'll also help with lifespan but with reasonable voltages, your 2500k will long be obsolete before it dies on you. You only raise it if the processor isn't stable (freezes or bsod during gameplay / full load).
1 last question. There are quite a few different voltages that can be seen on this program (im not going to use the program but there are what? 5 on the program? Which ones should i be tinkering with?
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You want to use CPU Voltage. That's an offset voltage so that's a little different than a CPU Voltage that's manually set. Same rules still apply for offset though, you want to decrease or increase in small increments (ex. 0.01v). The rest of the voltages can be left as they are until you start getting into the higher frequencies or want to get more complicated.
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On September 03 2011 07:12 skyR wrote:
You want to use CPU Voltage. That's an offset voltage so that's a little different than a CPU Voltage that's manually set. Same rules still apply for offset though, you want to decrease or increase in small increments (ex. 0.01v). The rest of the voltages can be left as they are until you start getting into the higher frequencies or want to get more complicated.
Ok, my cpu voltage offset is +.020 right now and im at 4500mhz stable.
CPU temp 82f 28c now i don't really know much about temperatures so i can't really comment on this.
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Dannn, here are is a link you might find useful:
Basic Overclocking Guide - note when reading that there are very few steps to overclocking to 4.2 or 4.5ish ghz. You don't have to follow their guide to the bitter end to get the most possible. A nice boost that's easily stable is fine.
http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/overclocking/39184-p67-sandy-bridge-overclocking-guide-beginners.html
As for your specific motherboard & bios, you might be able to find out more with more google. Hmm, reading your last post it looks like you used pre-set overclock settings from your motherboard. Dunno how good those will be compared to what you can come up with yourself.
Edit: UEFI = modern BIOS replacement if I remember correctly.
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On September 03 2011 08:08 MisterFred wrote:Dannn, here are is a link you might find useful: Basic Overclocking Guide - note when reading that there are very few steps to overclocking to 4.2 or 4.5ish ghz. You don't have to follow their guide to the bitter end to get the most possible. A nice boost that's easily stable is fine. http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/overclocking/39184-p67-sandy-bridge-overclocking-guide-beginners.htmlAs for your specific motherboard & bios, you might be able to find out more with more google. Hmm, reading your last post it looks like you used pre-set overclock settings from your motherboard. Dunno how good those will be compared to what you can come up with yourself. Edit: UEFI = modern BIOS replacement if I remember correctly.
Ya, when i went into the bios or the eufi, it had a drop down box for quick overclocking and it could go up to 4.8 but i chose 4.6ghz.
O and thank you for the guide, i will read it all and try to take in what i can.
Also may i ask what are normal temps for a CPU?
Update: Im using prime 95 and CPU-Z and CPU-Z tells me my core speed is 4590 mHz so it seems like it is working.
Under prime load for 20 min using realtemp, i was at around a 65C avg and it was slowly rising so i got scared and turned off.
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50c to 80c are normal load temps depending on your airflow / ambient temperature and voltage / frequency of the overclock.
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Hey there, complete computer newbie so I'm hoping you guys can build a computer for me 
What I want is the cheapest computer to play Starcraft 2 at medium quality without lagging in large battles.
What is your budget?
I want the cheapest computer possible, but $500 is the max amount of money I want to spend but $600 if it's absolutely necessary. (If this is not possible just tell me how much I actually do need to spend)
What is your resolution?
1280x800.
What are you using it for?
Mainly gaming but of course I also want to use it for basic tasks like web surfing, youtube, watching streams, writing essays, etc.
What is your upgrade cycle?
I don't really plan on upgrading my computer until at least the 5year mark and even then I'm not too sure.
When do you plan on building it?
I would obviously like to build it immediately but price is the most important factor for now. So I am willing to wait maybe 4-6 months.
Do you plan on overclocking?
No not really, But I guess if I could it would be better.
Do you need an Operating System?
No. I mean I can put an OS with one of the Windows 7 CD's and download it right? If not then I do need one.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
If it means more money then no.
Where are you buying your parts from?
I live in MA so buying the parts from Newegg or something similar would probably be ideal.
Remember, what I want is the cheapest computer possible to play Starcraft 2 at 60fps or a constant 30fps without any lag or fps drop at at least medium quality.
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On September 03 2011 09:50 lOstHeaven wrote:
Hey I need your help once again, but this time i am building a computer for myself....the computer must be cost efficiency; be able to play sc2 on ultra. I dont do much on a computer except playing games and once a while i discover stuff on the computer.
What is your budget?
Must be cost efficiency for decent fps for sc2 @ ultra and other games but sc2 my main priorities. Budget will be set between 500-700. If there is other alternative option, i would like to know. I am a very cheap guy so the lower the better.
What is your resolution?
1980x1080
What are you using it for?
Games and basic computers usage.....OOOOOOoo Would like to have 2 monitor if it helps.
What is your upgrade cycle?
probably 2-3 years
When do you plan on building it?
Never built a computer before but i want to learn....Labour day on monday should be a good day to build a computer
Do you plan on overclocking?
I don't know but if I happen to be willing to overclock my computer it will be probably be in 1 year.
Do you need an Operating System?
Yes, but dont add if the budget set for the custom build
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
If it means more money then no.what is that?
Where are you buying your parts from?
Ncix, computer canada
Note:
-Good fps for games specially sc2 @ ultra
-Willing to plug 2 monitor to the computer
-Cases with headphone at the front (?)
i think that is it, thanks guys.
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@Dann
I found this site to be very useful regarding overclocking http://www.overclock.net/. There is a Sandy Bridge Stable club at http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/968053-official-sandy-stable-club-benchmarks-stable.html where they share what was their stable settings and their cooling etc.
I also have Asrock thanks to Skyr's recommendation and I also used the preset overclock. I went to 4.0 first to test things out then I ended up at 4.6.
I used the offset method mainly because if you used automatic, more voltage would be put in than required and if I used fixed it will keep using that voltage even if my pc was idle which I don't really want.
I know every cpu is different but I started with offset +.09 then slowly got down to +.05, when I went to +.04 I got BSOD so I knew that was my wall. During Prime @ 100% load I get 1.31-1.34 VCORE around 65-68 temps using +212 which was ok for me. If your hitting 80+ I would get worried. I might go down to 4.4 ghz since I don't really see the difference to be honest and to help lower the temps.
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On September 03 2011 09:14 sungmny wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey there, complete computer newbie so I'm hoping you guys can build a computer for me What I want is the cheapest computer to play Starcraft 2 at medium quality without lagging in large battles. What is your budget?I want the cheapest computer possible, but $500 is the max amount of money I want to spend but $600 if it's absolutely necessary. (If this is not possible just tell me how much I actually do need to spend) What is your resolution?1280x800. What are you using it for?Mainly gaming but of course I also want to use it for basic tasks like web surfing, youtube, watching streams, writing essays, etc. What is your upgrade cycle?I don't really plan on upgrading my computer until at least the 5year mark and even then I'm not too sure. When do you plan on building it?I would obviously like to build it immediately but price is the most important factor for now. So I am willing to wait maybe 4-6 months. Do you plan on overclocking?No not really, But I guess if I could it would be better. Do you need an Operating System?No. I mean I can put an OS with one of the Windows 7 CD's and download it right? If not then I do need one. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?If it means more money then no. Where are you buying your parts from?I live in MA so buying the parts from Newegg or something similar would probably be ideal. Remember, what I want is the cheapest computer possible to play Starcraft 2 at 60fps or a constant 30fps without any lag or fps drop at at least medium quality.
Here's a configuration for $367 before mail in rebates:
Yes, you can download Windows 7, burn it to a disc and install it. You need a product key though if you want an activated authentic Windows...
Intel Pentium G850 & PNY 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $130
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.723856
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Powercolor Radeon HD5570 @ $55 ($40 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131342
+ Show Spoiler +You can get a better graphics card such as a Radeon HD5670 or GTS 450 or Radeon HD5770 if you want (if you ever plan on upgrading your monitor to 1080p, these cards would be capable of playing Starcraft II on ultra). The Radeon HD5570 would be capable of medium at 1280x800 but is going to struggle at the higher resolutions.
Asrock H61M-VS @ $55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157241
Corsair CX430 V2 @ $45
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026
Xigmatek Asgard II @ $30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811815004
DVD Burner & Seagate Barracuda 500GB @ $52
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136216
On September 03 2011 09:50 lOstHeaven wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hey I need your help once again, but this time i am building a computer for myself....the computer must be cost efficiency; be able to play sc2 on ultra. I dont do much on a computer except playing games and once a while i discover stuff on the computer.
What is your budget?
Must be cost efficiency for decent fps for sc2 @ ultra and other games but sc2 my main priorities. Budget will be set between 500-700. If there is other alternative option, i would like to know. I am a very cheap guy so the lower the better.
What is your resolution?
1980x1080
What are you using it for?
Games and basic computers usage.....OOOOOOoo Would like to have 2 monitor if it helps.
What is your upgrade cycle?
probably 2-3 years
When do you plan on building it?
Never built a computer before but i want to learn....Labour day on monday should be a good day to build a computer
Do you plan on overclocking?
I don't know but if I happen to be willing to overclock my computer it will be probably be in 1 year.
Do you need an Operating System?
Yes, but dont add if the budget set for the custom build
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
If it means more money then no.what is that?
Where are you buying your parts from?
Ncix, computer canada
Note:
-Good fps for games specially sc2 @ ultra
-Willing to plug 2 monitor to the computer
-Cases with headphone at the front (?)
i think that is it, thanks guys.
Unfortunately, you already missed out on a lot of the good deals. Here's a configuration for $692 before mail in rebates that will easily play Starcraft II on ultra at 1080p along with current and upcoming games on reasonably high settings. No operating system is included. It is an overclockable configuration since you said you want to dive into the world of overclocking in a year or so. When you do decide to overclock, you can add on a heatsink than.
Intel Core i5 2500k & MSI P67A G43 @ $325 ($305 after mail in rebate)
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60177&promoid=1370
Powercolor Radeon HD6870 @ $160 (Members only, you must sign in)
http://secure1.ncix.com/products/productdetail2.cfm?sku=57118&promoid=1333
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Mushkin 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $40 ($35 after mail in rebate)
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55544&promoid=1370
Bitfenix Shinobi @ $50
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60584&promoid=1370
XFX Core Edition 450 @ $51 ($31 after mail in rebate) (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950AC3542 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=63238
DVD Burner @ $17
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60857&promoid=1370
Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB @ $49 (with promo code COLLEGETOUR11)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136767
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On September 03 2011 09:50 spybreak wrote:@Dann I found this site to be very useful regarding overclocking http://www.overclock.net/. There is a Sandy Bridge Stable club at http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/968053-official-sandy-stable-club-benchmarks-stable.html where they share what was their stable settings and their cooling etc. I also have Asrock thanks to Skyr's recommendation and I also used the preset overclock. I went to 4.0 first to test things out then I ended up at 4.6. I used the offset method mainly because if you used automatic, more voltage would be put in than required and if I used fixed it will keep using that voltage even if my pc was idle which I don't really want. I know every cpu is different but I started with offset +.09 then slowly got down to +.05, when I went to +.04 I got BSOD so I knew that was my wall. During Prime @ 100% load I get 1.31-1.34 VCORE around 65-68 temps using +212 which was ok for me. If your hitting 80+ I would get worried. I might go down to 4.4 ghz since I don't really see the difference to be honest and to help lower the temps.
Hmm, interesting, i was testing it earlier and it hit about 72C and seemed to keep going up slowly so i shut her off, ill go manually change the voltage.
Did you use the ASRock program or did you click .09 save changes exit and then restart and do it again for .08? Then you computer BSOD once you saved changes?
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