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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 02 2011 02:00 GMT
#10561
Quick question, didn't want to make a new thread. Internet connectivity dies in my entire household in random spurts, sometimes as much as twice as day (and this is only when I'm home, I work 9-6pm). It usually dies for about 3-4 min, which is enough to DC me from any game I'm playing in SC2, really annoying. It'll die for me and my roommates at identical timings (and on both my laptop/desktop), so it's not any wireless card in particular or anything of that sort. The router is in a spot where no one can get a direct ethernet connection, and it's so sporadic it'd be hard to test if that was the issue (as sometimes it'll go 3 days w/o DCing). Any ideas?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 02 2011 02:04 GMT
#10562
Call your ISP and ask.
MinD_KonTroL
Profile Joined December 2005
Portugal13 Posts
September 02 2011 02:23 GMT
#10563
Hey guys!

I just bought the following setup, mostly according to your advices ( thanks a lot for the trouble and good job guys =) ):

Intel Core i5 2500k

PowerColor Ati HD6950 2Gb

Gigabyte Z68A-D3-B3

G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3 2x4Gb 1600Hz CAS9 1.5V

Seagate Barracuda 1TB SATA III 32MB

DVD Burner

And for this I bought "Cooler Master HAF 912 Plus" but was advised to change it to "Coolermaster CM690 II LITE". Its about the same price in euros so what do you think its better ? Any pros and cons ? I will use watercooling, pump with reservoir integrated + radiator. Also I am not thinking of upgrading soon.

Also I bought "Asus VW227D 5ms Full HD 1080p" but again was advised to change ir for "Asus VW228N LED FullHD 1080P 5ms". Same price in euros roughly. The guy said LED is better and its the future. What is your opinion on this ?

Thanks for your help guys
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I m not sure about the former.
xyOr
Profile Joined August 2011
United States28 Posts
September 02 2011 02:24 GMT
#10564
On September 02 2011 09:55 Myrmidon wrote:
Yo that's a Cooler Master HAF 912 at $60, not an Antec 300 Illusion.

I would remove the Hyper 212+ (doesn't seem like you're going for a low noise build--though there are better choices for that--and you're not overclocking, so no need for an aftermarket fan).

If you're getting a cheaper power supply, a reasonable one for $40 is the Rosewill Green Series 430W:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182202

Next step down for the GPU would be a HD 6850, for $150:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161384


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

this is the corsair cx430 for $45, would this work as well?
CharlieBrownsc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada598 Posts
September 02 2011 02:28 GMT
#10565
On September 02 2011 11:23 MinD_KonTroL wrote:
Hey guys!

I just bought the following setup, mostly according to your advices ( thanks a lot for the trouble and good job guys =) ):

Intel Core i5 2500k

PowerColor Ati HD6950 2Gb

Gigabyte Z68A-D3-B3

G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3 2x4Gb 1600Hz CAS9 1.5V

Seagate Barracuda 1TB SATA III 32MB

DVD Burner

And for this I bought "Cooler Master HAF 912 Plus" but was advised to change it to "Coolermaster CM690 II LITE". Its about the same price in euros so what do you think its better ? Any pros and cons ? I will use watercooling, pump with reservoir integrated + radiator. Also I am not thinking of upgrading soon.

Also I bought "Asus VW227D 5ms Full HD 1080p" but again was advised to change ir for "Asus VW228N LED FullHD 1080P 5ms". Same price in euros roughly. The guy said LED is better and its the future. What is your opinion on this ?

Thanks for your help guys


Is there a particular reason you are using water cooling?

Honestly unless you're trying to set a world record for benchmarks air cooling will be plenty sufficient. It's easier to setup, less finicky, and if liquid cooling breaks you can't even turn your computer on
SC2 ID: CharlieBrown.318, #1 bitbybit.Prime fan
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 02 2011 02:30 GMT
#10566
On September 02 2011 11:28 CharlieBrownsc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 11:23 MinD_KonTroL wrote:
Hey guys!

I just bought the following setup, mostly according to your advices ( thanks a lot for the trouble and good job guys =) ):

Intel Core i5 2500k

PowerColor Ati HD6950 2Gb

Gigabyte Z68A-D3-B3

G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3 2x4Gb 1600Hz CAS9 1.5V

Seagate Barracuda 1TB SATA III 32MB

DVD Burner

And for this I bought "Cooler Master HAF 912 Plus" but was advised to change it to "Coolermaster CM690 II LITE". Its about the same price in euros so what do you think its better ? Any pros and cons ? I will use watercooling, pump with reservoir integrated + radiator. Also I am not thinking of upgrading soon.

Also I bought "Asus VW227D 5ms Full HD 1080p" but again was advised to change ir for "Asus VW228N LED FullHD 1080P 5ms". Same price in euros roughly. The guy said LED is better and its the future. What is your opinion on this ?

Thanks for your help guys


Is there a particular reason you are using water cooling?

Honestly unless you're trying to set a world record for benchmarks air cooling will be plenty sufficient. It's easier to setup, less finicky, and if liquid cooling breaks you can't even turn your computer on


Some people do it for aesthetics with UV reactive coolant, too. That said, I completely concur. Water should die in a fire. Wait... not sure that works...

Keep the plumbing out of my PC.
So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
September 02 2011 02:32 GMT
#10567
Just wanted to thank you guys. Built my computer about a week ago, didn't have much difficulty doing it, and it appears to be running quite well. Thanks for all your help.
#1 Shuttle fan - TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #36 BW4lyfe
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 02 2011 02:35 GMT
#10568
On September 02 2011 11:24 xyOr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 09:55 Myrmidon wrote:
Yo that's a Cooler Master HAF 912 at $60, not an Antec 300 Illusion.

I would remove the Hyper 212+ (doesn't seem like you're going for a low noise build--though there are better choices for that--and you're not overclocking, so no need for an aftermarket fan).

If you're getting a cheaper power supply, a reasonable one for $40 is the Rosewill Green Series 430W:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182202

Next step down for the GPU would be a HD 6850, for $150:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161384


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

this is the corsair cx430 for $45, would this work as well?


It would work but it doesn't have a lot of connectors so you would have to use adapters if you plan on using a Radeon HD6870 or any other card with two PCIe connectors. It's fine for a Radeon HD6850 or any other card with one PCIe connector.
MinD_KonTroL
Profile Joined December 2005
Portugal13 Posts
September 02 2011 02:40 GMT
#10569
On September 02 2011 11:28 CharlieBrownsc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 11:23 MinD_KonTroL wrote:
Hey guys!

I just bought the following setup, mostly according to your advices ( thanks a lot for the trouble and good job guys =) ):

Intel Core i5 2500k

PowerColor Ati HD6950 2Gb

Gigabyte Z68A-D3-B3

G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3 2x4Gb 1600Hz CAS9 1.5V

Seagate Barracuda 1TB SATA III 32MB

DVD Burner

And for this I bought "Cooler Master HAF 912 Plus" but was advised to change it to "Coolermaster CM690 II LITE". Its about the same price in euros so what do you think its better ? Any pros and cons ? I will use watercooling, pump with reservoir integrated + radiator. Also I am not thinking of upgrading soon.

Also I bought "Asus VW227D 5ms Full HD 1080p" but again was advised to change ir for "Asus VW228N LED FullHD 1080P 5ms". Same price in euros roughly. The guy said LED is better and its the future. What is your opinion on this ?

Thanks for your help guys


Is there a particular reason you are using water cooling?

Honestly unless you're trying to set a world record for benchmarks air cooling will be plenty sufficient. It's easier to setup, less finicky, and if liquid cooling breaks you can't even turn your computer on


The watercooling will be to OCK to 4.3GHz and also because its in 2nd hand and thus cheaper. I wont be the one to install it thou.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I m not sure about the former.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-02 02:42:01
September 02 2011 02:41 GMT
#10570
On September 02 2011 11:40 MinD_KonTroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 11:28 CharlieBrownsc wrote:
On September 02 2011 11:23 MinD_KonTroL wrote:
Hey guys!

I just bought the following setup, mostly according to your advices ( thanks a lot for the trouble and good job guys =) ):

Intel Core i5 2500k

PowerColor Ati HD6950 2Gb

Gigabyte Z68A-D3-B3

G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3 2x4Gb 1600Hz CAS9 1.5V

Seagate Barracuda 1TB SATA III 32MB

DVD Burner

And for this I bought "Cooler Master HAF 912 Plus" but was advised to change it to "Coolermaster CM690 II LITE". Its about the same price in euros so what do you think its better ? Any pros and cons ? I will use watercooling, pump with reservoir integrated + radiator. Also I am not thinking of upgrading soon.

Also I bought "Asus VW227D 5ms Full HD 1080p" but again was advised to change ir for "Asus VW228N LED FullHD 1080P 5ms". Same price in euros roughly. The guy said LED is better and its the future. What is your opinion on this ?

Thanks for your help guys


Is there a particular reason you are using water cooling?

Honestly unless you're trying to set a world record for benchmarks air cooling will be plenty sufficient. It's easier to setup, less finicky, and if liquid cooling breaks you can't even turn your computer on


The watercooling will be to OCK to 4.3GHz and also because its in 2nd hand and thus cheaper. I wont be the one to install it thou.


You bought plumbing second hand? I can't be the only one who thinks that's a terrible idea. Anyway, you don't need water to hit 4.3 on a 2500k. Any decent standard tower cooler will do that.
MinD_KonTroL
Profile Joined December 2005
Portugal13 Posts
September 02 2011 02:44 GMT
#10571
Maybe I will still do that, Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus is still good enough ?

What about the Monitor/Case ?
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I m not sure about the former.
xyOr
Profile Joined August 2011
United States28 Posts
September 02 2011 02:45 GMT
#10572
On September 02 2011 11:35 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 11:24 xyOr wrote:
On September 02 2011 09:55 Myrmidon wrote:
Yo that's a Cooler Master HAF 912 at $60, not an Antec 300 Illusion.

I would remove the Hyper 212+ (doesn't seem like you're going for a low noise build--though there are better choices for that--and you're not overclocking, so no need for an aftermarket fan).

If you're getting a cheaper power supply, a reasonable one for $40 is the Rosewill Green Series 430W:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182202

Next step down for the GPU would be a HD 6850, for $150:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161384


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

this is the corsair cx430 for $45, would this work as well?


It would work but it doesn't have a lot of connectors so you would have to use adapters if you plan on using a Radeon HD6870 or any other card with two PCIe connectors. It's fine for a Radeon HD6850 or any other card with one PCIe connector.


I see. I will most likely use the 6850 so it should be fine, although the rosewill is $5 cheaper. Here is the final build (if anything is wrong please let me know)


Intel Core i5 2400 $190
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074

ASRock H61M-VS $55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157241

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6850 $150
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161384

Mushkin 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $43
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226095

Samsung Spinpoint F3 $40 (w/ promo code EMCKBGK32, ends 9/5)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Rosewill Green Series 430W $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182202

Antec 300 Illusion $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066&Tpk=antec 300 illusion

DVD Burner $18
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136216

TOTAL: $606
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 02 2011 02:48 GMT
#10573
On September 02 2011 11:44 MinD_KonTroL wrote:
Maybe I will still do that, Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus is still good enough ?

What about the Monitor/Case ?


I don't do monitors really, and anyways, they should be looked at in person.

Hyper 212 or Xigmatek Gaia will be fine for 4.3 on a 2500k.

Single GPU setups without insane OC's, pretty much any case with a bunch of holes and fans to let it double as a paper airplane wind tunnel will do fine.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-02 03:02:08
September 02 2011 02:59 GMT
#10574
On September 02 2011 11:45 xyOr wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On September 02 2011 11:35 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 11:24 xyOr wrote:
On September 02 2011 09:55 Myrmidon wrote:
Yo that's a Cooler Master HAF 912 at $60, not an Antec 300 Illusion.

I would remove the Hyper 212+ (doesn't seem like you're going for a low noise build--though there are better choices for that--and you're not overclocking, so no need for an aftermarket fan).

If you're getting a cheaper power supply, a reasonable one for $40 is the Rosewill Green Series 430W:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182202

Next step down for the GPU would be a HD 6850, for $150:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161384


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

this is the corsair cx430 for $45, would this work as well?


It would work but it doesn't have a lot of connectors so you would have to use adapters if you plan on using a Radeon HD6870 or any other card with two PCIe connectors. It's fine for a Radeon HD6850 or any other card with one PCIe connector.


I see. I will most likely use the 6850 so it should be fine, although the rosewill is $5 cheaper. Here is the final build (if anything is wrong please let me know)


Intel Core i5 2400 $190
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074

ASRock H61M-VS $55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157241

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6850 $150
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161384

Mushkin 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $43
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226095

Samsung Spinpoint F3 $40 (w/ promo code EMCKBGK32, ends 9/5)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Rosewill Green Series 430W $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182202

Antec 300 Illusion $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066&Tpk=antec 300 illusion

DVD Burner $18
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136216

TOTAL: $606


Get GSkill memory for $40 instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231311

I think the Core i5 2300 for $175 is a better deal than a core i5 2400 at $190: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115076 It's up to you whether you want to drop a little performance though. Here's an article from xbit showing the difference: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i5-2500-2400-2300_7.html#sect0

That's also a HIS 6850 you have there, not a Sapphire.
Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
September 02 2011 03:09 GMT
#10575
Hai guys. I'm planning to order a new computer when I get my next paycheck in a week, figure I'd run my build by the people here, ask a couple questions about a couple of components, see if there's any money I can shave off.

My budget is $900 - $1200 (a lot of leeway, I know, but I'm willing to go for whatever gets the most bang for the buck). I plan to use the computer for high-end gaming and streaming. I'm not really interested in upgrading in the future -- I'm happy getting a really solid machine that will last me years with maybe a couple of easy add-ons like more RAM. I wanna be able to play current (Deus Ex, The Witcher 2) and not-too-far-off (Skyrim, BF3) graphics-intensive games at high-to-max settings. My current monitor's max resolution is 1440x900, but I'm probably gonna buy something that's 16 : 9 (sooo much simpler to stream) and can do 1080p in the near future. I'm interested in overclocking if it's not too much of a hassle and won't put any components at risk, which doesn't sound like much of a problem these days. I'm ordering from Newegg.

Here's what I'm looking at so far:

Case: Corsair Special Edition White Graphite Series 600T Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - $170

This probably isn't going to change, even if it is a bit beyond my needs. It's just too sexy. <3

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K - $220

Overclock-able version. Worth it for $10 extra, I figure.

GPU: EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1461-KR GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 - $200

OR

EVGA 01G-P3-1561-AR GeForce GTX 560 Ti FPB (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 - $255

I guess I don't understand the differences between these cards. The specs look identical with the exception of the number of processor cores. (336 vs. 384) Would the differences be that apparent? Is it worth a $50 difference? There seem to be a lot of really similar cards that are all GTX 560s and priced in the $200 - $300 range. Which has the most value? Which has the highest performance? I also do not wish to go with an ATI card.

Memory: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 - $50

Pretty much just randomly picked a popular decent-seeming RAM package from Corsair. (<3 their warranty) If there's anything significantly better out there, I'd love to hear it.

PSU: SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold ((SS-650KM Active PFC F3)) 650W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 - $140

Love the idea of a fully modular power supply. Unless there's something very similar for a better price, probably sticking with this.

SSD: Crucial M4 CT064M4SSD2 2.5" 64GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - $90

Ninety bucks! What's not to love? I already have a couple of perfectly good HDDs, so I figure I'll slap the OS and any hard drive-intensive games on it.

Heatsink: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 - $28

For teh overclockz.

DVD-RW: LG DVD±RW SuperMulti Drive - $18

I don't need no stinkin' Blu-Ray.

Only thing I'm really unsure about is the motherboard, as I'm sure you've noticed by now is missing. It seems like there are a bajillion choices with only mild variation. All I'm really looking for is something that won't break and has spots for all my stuff.

Thanks a lot for any help! It's really appreciated.
whole lies with a half smile
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-02 06:03:35
September 02 2011 03:24 GMT
#10576
GTX 560 is basically just a newer GTX 460. It's poorly priced since the Radeon HD6870 offers similar / better performance at a lower price. If you're prefer Nvidia than get a GTX 560 Ti. Higher stream processors = higher performance generally.

The cards range from $200 to $300 because of the heatsink that comes equipped with it, warranty, and the varying clock speeds that its set at (this can be adjusted in software so you don't want to purchase a pre-overclocked card).

EVGA products ending in -KR come with a three year warranty with payment option to extend it to ten years. Products ending in -AR come with a lifetime warranty.

ASUS's DirectCu II, MSI's Twin Frozr II / III, and Gigabyte's Windforce are three of the best heatsinks that comes with graphics cards. These usually come at a higher price.

If you want lifetime warranty than the EVGA -AR for $250: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130610

If standard three year warranty is enough for you and you want a good heatsink for noise / overclocking purposes than either the Gigabyte or MSI for $235 and $240 respectively: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125363 , http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127594

The Crucial M4 won't stay $90 for long just fyi. It's usually around $115. You also probably want a HDD for storage purposes, the Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB is onyl $50 atm: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

A Seasonic X650 is extreme overkill for someone who isn't going to be doing SLI or CrossfireX. There's not many fully modular units out there so ya... you could get the 560 variant for $127: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151098 It's silly to get a fully modular power supply (I'm saying this even though I have a X560 =\ ) though since the 8pin and 24pin connector will always be connected. You could just look for a semi modular power supply.

Most, if not all memory brands offer lifetime warranty. GSkills are currently at $40: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231311 The difference between 1333MHz and 1600MHz is negligible.

You're missing a motherboard unless I'm blind...
SpankyYo
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-02 03:29:16
September 02 2011 03:25 GMT
#10577
Just a quick question. I was looking at cases today for my new computer build and was wondering if anyone had any opinions about this one : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 02 2011 03:40 GMT
#10578
Antec cases (mainly their Hundred line) are outdated, nightmare for cable management and nightmare to upgrade components. Good airflow though.
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
September 02 2011 03:40 GMT
#10579
On September 02 2011 12:25 SpankyYo wrote:
Just a quick question. I was looking at cases today for my new computer build and was wondering if anyone had any opinions about this one : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066


Stay away from Antec cases in my opinion... I have the Antec 900 (almost the same) and the cable management sucks. It has a nice amount of fans, but it's a headache trying to tidy up the space.
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On September 02 2011 12:24 skyR wrote:
You're missing a motherboard unless I'm blind...


On September 02 2011 12:09 Node wrote:
Only thing I'm really unsure about is the motherboard, as I'm sure you've noticed by now is missing. It seems like there are a bajillion choices with only mild variation. All I'm really looking for is something that won't break and has spots for all my stuff.




Thanks for the advice, especially the graphics card stuff.

EDIT: Browsing through PSU options, I found this, which seems to be basically identical with $40 off the price. Too good to be true?
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