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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Gattaca.usa
Profile Joined October 2010
131 Posts
September 03 2011 09:19 GMT
#10641
no no, i can see it in the bios, windows just can't.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 03 2011 12:56 GMT
#10642
Well did you assign it a letter?
lOstHeaven
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada212 Posts
September 03 2011 12:59 GMT
#10643
On September 03 2011 11:09 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 10:57 lOstHeaven wrote:
On September 03 2011 10:32 skyR wrote:
On September 03 2011 09:50 lOstHeaven wrote:+ Show Spoiler +


Hey I need your help once again, but this time i am building a computer for myself....the computer must be cost efficiency; be able to play sc2 on ultra. I dont do much on a computer except playing games and once a while i discover stuff on the computer.

What is your budget?
Must be cost efficiency for decent fps for sc2 @ ultra and other games but sc2 my main priorities. Budget will be set between 500-700. If there is other alternative option, i would like to know. I am a very cheap guy so the lower the better.

What is your resolution?
1980x1080

What are you using it for?
Games and basic computers usage.....OOOOOOoo Would like to have 2 monitor if it helps.

What is your upgrade cycle?
probably 2-3 years

When do you plan on building it?
Never built a computer before but i want to learn....Labour day on monday should be a good day to build a computer

Do you plan on overclocking?
I don't know but if I happen to be willing to overclock my computer it will be probably be in 1 year.

Do you need an Operating System?
Yes, but dont add if the budget set for the custom build

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
If it means more money then no.what is that?

Where are you buying your parts from?
Ncix, computer canada

Note:
-Good fps for games specially sc2 @ ultra
-Willing to plug 2 monitor to the computer
-Cases with headphone at the front (?)

i think that is it, thanks guys.


Unfortunately, you already missed out on a lot of the good deals. Here's a configuration for $692 before mail in rebates that will easily play Starcraft II on ultra at 1080p along with current and upcoming games on reasonably high settings. No operating system is included. It is an overclockable configuration since you said you want to dive into the world of overclocking in a year or so. When you do decide to overclock, you can add on a heatsink than.


Intel Core i5 2500k & MSI P67A G43 @ $325 ($305 after mail in rebate)
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60177&promoid=1370

Powercolor Radeon HD6870 @ $160 (Members only, you must sign in)
http://secure1.ncix.com/products/productdetail2.cfm?sku=57118&promoid=1333
+ Show Spoiler +
If sold out, get a Gigabyte Radeon HD6850 for $155 ($135 after mail in rebate) instead: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58225&promoid=1370


Mushkin 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $40 ($35 after mail in rebate)
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55544&promoid=1370

Bitfenix Shinobi @ $50
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60584&promoid=1370

XFX Core Edition 450 @ $51 ($31 after mail in rebate) (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950AC3542 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=63238

DVD Burner @ $17
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60857&promoid=1370

Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB @ $49 (with promo code COLLEGETOUR11)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136767


thanks alot for the build but would u suggest that i wait a bit to get more deal or can i go ahead instead of saving some bucks?


COLLEGETOUR11 promo ends September 31st iirc.

The 6870 at $160 probably won't be there next week.

Besides those two... most of the deals you'll see reoccur every week. You missed out on an Antec Earthwatts 650w for $45 and a Gigabyte Radeon HD5850 for $130 this week. Your choice to wait or not, I can't predict future pricing unfortunately.

Thanks alot of the input but if i go without the overclocking, what would be the other option?

Lost in Heaven
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 03 2011 13:04 GMT
#10644
If you didn't want to overclock than you would switch out the core i5 2500k for non-K suffix processor such as a core i5 2400 and getting a H61 or H67 motherboard instead of a P67. Doing so would reduce the total about ~$60.
lOstHeaven
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada212 Posts
September 03 2011 13:14 GMT
#10645
On September 03 2011 22:04 skyR wrote:
If you didn't want to overclock than you would switch out the core i5 2500k for non-K suffix processor such as a core i5 2400 and getting a H61 or H67 motherboard instead of a P67. Doing so would reduce the total about ~$60.


Last question about putting a SSD drive, what brand would you suggest?
Lost in Heaven
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 03 2011 13:17 GMT
#10646
Intel 320 or Crucial M4
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-03 15:04:38
September 03 2011 15:01 GMT
#10647
On September 03 2011 15:56 xyOr wrote:
My build consists of the i5-2400, and the Rosewill Green Series RG430-S1. But according to hardware-revolution.com, they should be avoided.


Differences between i5-2300, i5-2310, i5-2400, and i5-2500 are just in clock speeds, not a big deal either way. If you want to spend a little extra for a little more performance, that's okay but not really necessary, particularly just for gaming.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i5-2500-2400-2300_7.html#sect0

As for the Rosewill, it's not great but not bad either. You were looking at cutting down costs so I listed something a little worse and cheaper than the Antec Neo Eco but certainly not that bad. If it sucked I wouldn't have mentioned it.

Same ATNG platform is used by the 430/530/630/700W models, so this review of the 630W is relevant:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/881

Other discussion of Rosewill Green Series (but note that the concern over capacitors turns out to be unfounded since it actually uses Teapo, a good 2nd-tier manufacturer for electrolytic models used in PSUs, as seen in the review above):
http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5936

I wouldn't necessarily use any site as a reference, but OCN has it on some sort of recommended PSU list:
http://www.overclock.net/power-supplies/183810-faq-recommended-power-supplies.html
sungmny
Profile Joined September 2011
United States13 Posts
September 03 2011 17:29 GMT
#10648
You can get a better graphics card such as a Radeon HD5670 or GTS 450 or Radeon HD5770 if you want (if you ever plan on upgrading your monitor to 1080p, these cards would be capable of playing Starcraft II on ultra). The Radeon HD5570 would be capable of medium at 1280x800 but is going to struggle at the higher resolutions.


Ok, then which one should I buy? The Radeon HD5670 or GTS 450 is one of them better than the other or something? And if I buy one of these I can play SC on ultra and don't need to buy a better motherboard or something?

I would also like to get an OS then so I can get an authenticated Windows 7
Gattaca.usa
Profile Joined October 2010
131 Posts
September 03 2011 17:44 GMT
#10649
On September 03 2011 21:56 skyR wrote:
Well did you assign it a letter?


How do I do that? It doesn't even see it.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 03 2011 17:45 GMT
#10650
HD5670<GTS 450<HD5770.

GTS 450 is usually better bang for the buck than HD5770 though. If the price difference is more than ~$10, the 450 is better for the price bracket, particularly now that GTX 460 can be found for only slightly more than some HD5770's.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 03 2011 17:57 GMT
#10651
On September 04 2011 02:44 Gattaca.usa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 21:56 skyR wrote:
Well did you assign it a letter?


How do I do that? It doesn't even see it.


So you don't see it listed as Disk # in disk management? Right click Computer > Manage > Disk Management
Gattaca.usa
Profile Joined October 2010
131 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-03 18:13:44
September 03 2011 18:05 GMT
#10652
there we go, i assigned it to E and it works now! thanks skyR!

so I'm trying to OC my 2500k. I have the multiplier set to 45, vcore is on auto. im using an MSI P67A-C43. Under 100% load the hottest a 1 core gets is 60C the others are at 56C. Why is it BSOD under Prime95?

In CPU Z the vcore is listed at 1.288. Should i set it to manual and increase it?

When I take it off of Prime95 and it is at like 2% load the Vcore is set to 1.352V. why is it higher?

skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 03 2011 18:14 GMT
#10653
It can BSOD for various reasons, the BSOD code will tell you more. Either try to lower the multiplier to 44 and see if it's stable, also take note of the load voltage. If you want to try to keep it at 45 than increase vcore to something like 1.3v.
NukeTheBunnys
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1004 Posts
September 03 2011 20:00 GMT
#10654
Im building a media center PC on the cheap, and was wondering what you guys thought before I submit the order. Its gotta be able to do 1080p video and that's about it

hard drive

motherboard - using the onboard video

memory

processor

blue ray drive

I already have a power supply and case
When you play the game of drones you win or you die.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 03 2011 20:14 GMT
#10655
Why not get it in a combo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.726716 ?

A Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB is also better and less expensive at $50: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
Gattaca.usa
Profile Joined October 2010
131 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-03 21:09:27
September 03 2011 21:08 GMT
#10656
just an FYI to people building a computer to overclock. don't get the MSI P67A-C43!!!! it's cheap but the BIOS suck! It won't let you increase your VCore more than 1.35V. I got it for $85 but it's not worth it!

I set it 1.35V and it is only putting out 1.336V @ 4600 MHz.

I'll post some updates once I can get a good stable OC.

I have the Corsair A70 Cooler. It was only $41 then with the $20 Rebate it's only $21! cheaper than the Hyper 212+. Currently at 4600MHz @ 1.336V and 100% load the hottest core is 64C.

It seems like a really good cooler to me but I'm not sure how well the Hyper 212+ is.


EDIT:

Using Prime95 is there a better way to stress test than the BLEND? Like does anyone have some custom settings that work well?



Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
September 03 2011 21:12 GMT
#10657
Uh, above 1.35V is probably not good for long-term use anyway. That's kind of the deal with lower-end motherboards and overclocking. If you want something functional for Sandy Bridge overclocking, the lower-end models are okay. If you're looking for slightly lower VCore for the same overclock or want to burn out your chip, go ahead with a significantly more expensive motherboard, but generally that's in the realm of overclocking for the sake of overclocking rather than to hit some performance or utility level. Or is 4.5-4.6 GHz not sufficient for your needs, but 4.8 GHz is?
Gattaca.usa
Profile Joined October 2010
131 Posts
September 03 2011 21:36 GMT
#10658
ok i have it running pretty well at 4600 but for some reason the VCore is higher at like 5% load then at full load. what is going on?

right now with Prime95 going it CPU Z says 4600 and 1.336. when i turn Prime95 off it goes to 1.360V
LazyMacro
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
976 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-03 22:54:06
September 03 2011 22:53 GMT
#10659
So I'm putting together my final list of parts this weekend and placing the order either late Sunday or early Monday. I'm taking advantage of NewEgg's Labor Day sale plus their usual sales during the week and over the weekend.

Just some notes about what my intent is to give you a better idea of what I want:
- I mostly play games. This is meant to be a really good gaming PC that will last a while.
- I eventually want to get into overclocking, hence the K series CPU, motherboard with a Z68 chipset, and so on.
- I don't particularly have a budget, but if I can save money somewhere and not lose perceivable performance, I'd prefer to save the money.

CPU: Intel i7 2600K
$300 after $15 gift card

Mobo: Asus P8Z68 Deluxe
$250

Memory: GSkill Ripjaws 4GB DDR3 1600
$28

GPU: I haven't decided. I'm either going to get two cards and use SLI or I'm going to get one card now and leave open the possibility of later on adding a second.

HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB
$50 with EMCKBGK32 promo code

SSD: Intel 320 120GB
$220

Optical Drive: Lite On DVD-RW
$18

Heat Sink and Fan: Cooler Master Hyper 212+
$28

OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit OEM
$100

Case: Cooler Master Storm Scout
$70 AMIR

PSU: Corsair Enthusiast Series TX750 750W
$100 with EMCKAKH34 promo code

What about this instead for memory? It's a little bit more, but it's 8GB instead of 4GB.

In general, I'd like a critique of the parts I have. To the best of my knowledge, this will work fine once I decide on GPU(s), but I have a feeling I can change out a part here or there and end up with a better build.

Also, advice on GPUs? T_T
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-03 23:24:52
September 03 2011 23:22 GMT
#10660
So if you want to do Eyefinity at some point in time, you should get two 6950 2GBs.

Getting a P8Z68 Deluxe is a waste of money for someone who's never even overclocked before and primarily gaming. You're not going to be using SSD caching since you have a 120gb SSD already. You're not going to be using the IGP since obviously you can't. You probably aren't going to notice the difference between an Intel NIC and a Realtek NIC. You're probably not going to be using the dual ethernet ports provided by the deluxe. You aren't using LN2 or any premium cooling solution so the extra phases on the board goes to waste.

A P8Z68 Deluxe isn't any better than a P8P67 (~$150) or a Asrock P67 Pro3 (~$120) because you don't know what half the features that the Deluxe offers over the other boards and won't even utilize these features at all.

You might as well get 8GB if you are doing SLI / Eyefinity. It's sort of the norm these days =\

And the 650 variant of the TXv2 is enough for an overclocked 2600k and CrossfireX 6950 2GB configuration.

A 2600k is going to be obsolete at the same time the 2500k is going to be obsolete. Games are just starting to utilize quad cores and if you think many of the upcoming games are going to utilize more than four cores anytime soon, you're sadly mistaken. By the time your 2600k provides an improvement over the 2500k because of its hyperthreading, you'll be wanting a new processor and a $200 Skymont will provide a significant increase in performance.

Higher frequency and tighter timings on memory also provides very little benefits but I guess if you are already spending this much on a configuration, it doesn't hurt to have a better resale value and fancier heatspreaders:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/sandy-bridge-ddr3.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-scaling-choosing-the-best-ddr3
http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377
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