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Well, you could just read forums describing the problems to see occurence rather than relying on newegg reviews. See slike asus has more problems than gigabyte, unfortunately.
It's such a shame that sandy bridge seems to be plagued by chipset problems from the mobo manufacturers.
Just yesterday, I think my sound card on my P8P67 Pro died (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226464). My very first board, a P67 UD3 actually had the SATA problem that the recall was all about - all my SATA 2 ports just stopped functioning one day. My 2nd replacement board for that P67 ended up requiring much higher voltages to achieve the same overclocks as its non-B3 predecessor.
Now I'm looking at what I should get for my 4th board, since I still have the option of getting a refund for my 3rd board. Do I dare try Z68? If I stay P67, do I just do an advanced RMA and get another P8P67 Pro? Or do I switch to Gigabyte's P67 UD4? Or do I downgrade back down to a UD3?
It is ridiculous that I will be on my FOURTH motherboard for my sandy bridge build. 
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I just bought a new computer off newegg using the shellshocker from this morning
i3 2100
asus h61 board
his iceQ hd6850
seagate 7200rpm 1tb
4gb patriot 1333 ddr3
LG dvd rw drive
rosewill midtower case + rosewill 450w power supply
antivirus (useless)
shogun 2 (useless)
total price = $610 - $110 (combo discount) = $500 + tax/shipping
My question is, will I be able to run this system with the 450w power supply that comes with the case? I assume it is a bad quality power supply, but accord to the reviews it is fairly reliable. One user says he is running a gtx 460 cyclone, another guy said its 15amp on both rails, and another guy said he is running a 9650 quad + 9800gt on it.
Will I need to replace this powersupply for my i3 2100 + 6850 build?
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here is the case/powersupply I am talking about
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147082&nm_mc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel&cm_mmc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel-_-Content-_-text-_-
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http://www.antec.outervision.com/
Use this to calculate your power requirements.But considering that your main power draws will be your processors and GPU, I'd say you're just fine. an i3 sips power, and the 6850 is supposed to be pretty energy efficient.
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On May 27 2011 05:54 ensign_lee wrote:http://www.antec.outervision.com/Use this to calculate your power requirements.But considering that your main power draws will be your processors and GPU, I'd say you're just fine. an i3 sips power, and the 6850 is supposed to be pretty energy efficient.
Such calculators overexaggerate requirements, but they're only overexaggerations when applied to PSUs that are decent and can do their rated wattage without problems.
The PSUs included with lower-end Rosewill cases tend to be pretty bad. The higher-end series under the Rosewill brand tend to be decent, but not these. Note that this one doesn't even have APFC, since it has a voltage selector switch. Mostly older lower-end designs don't have APFC, though APFC in of itself is not that important. In many situations these designs are actually holdovers from the ATX12V 1.x days or slightly tweaked ATX12V 1.x designs to meet ATX 12V 2.x standards. These are liable to have crossloading issues on modern +12V-heavy computers resulting in poor voltage regulation and bad performance, since they were designed for the older +5V/+3.3V-heavier computers of the (distant) past. They could have high ripple that kills computers over time but still runs the components for a while.
Even though the system shouldn't take much over 150W ever, I'd not run that off of an unknown lower-end PSU. You never know what kind of cheapo caps might be in there that will blow and protections that aren't implemented. Of course, maybe the unit is actually half-okay. It's hard to say without a real review.
For peace of mind I'd get a $40 Antec Earthwatts Green 380D though:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033
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OK guys. I'm looking for a new quad core PC for playing Starcraft 2 at 1920x1080 (Don't care about playing it on Ultra) and I'm going to be buying my parts from eBuyer.com. My budget is around £500-£600 (British Sterling) so if someone could recommend a build I'd be grateful. I don't need an OS. Thanks.
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Looking for advice on this new system I am putting together. I am using it for for gaming, photo/video editing and general multitasking on a dual screen 1920x1080 (although a monitor purchase may be in my future) setup with games on only 1 screen. I plan on overclocking this system as well... I choose the P8Z68-V PRO + i5-k combo for this reason.
(image here with prices)Case: Fractal R3 Motherboard: ASUS P8Z68-V PRO LGA 1155 CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12P Memory: G.Skill 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 PSU: Corsair CMPSU-650TX 650W GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB System HD: WD Black 500GB 7200RPM Total: $1064
I plan on buying an SSD in the future as well as settling for the 460 instead of anything more fancy in order to upgrade hopefully in a years time (if its even necessary). I won't be able to use this computer for four months of this year but still want to upgrade my current piece of shit LOUD Shuttle system.
I've been having doubts about what cooler specifically to get... and the Noctua seems very nice. I can stick with the 1600>1333. I'm not too sure about my WD Black system drive because I don't want to upgrade to an SSD just yet but still need a solid new hard drive to boot from (I have two 2TB Samsung HDs for storage).
I'll be pulling the trigger on the build this week so lemme know if anything looks bad or out of place.
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Games only on one 1920x1080 screen seems like you're not planning on SLI/Crossfire in the future. So there is plenty of money to be saved. Why not get the SSD now? On a side note, you can probably get cheaper RAM too.
An i5-2500k doesn't use much power at all (under 65W full CPU load before overclocking), so that works to your advantage in a few ways: (1) you don't need a high-end motherboard with ridiculous VRMs to achieve stable overclocks, even above 4.5 GHz, (2) your CPU cooler doesn't need to be that good to keep temperatures low with low noise, (3) your power supply requirements are lower by some 80W compared to overclocking some other CPUs.
Core i5-2500k and AsRock Z68 Pro3 - $325
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.651991
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4084/asrock_z68_pro3_intel_z68_motherboard_review/index1.html
A quiet heatsink suitable for a i5-2500k would be this. Check the reviews around the net.
Xigmatek Gaia - $30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082
Corsair TX650 is not a good deal now and it's not even quiet (though generally it would be at lower loads). It's being phased out for the TX650 V2, which is much improved. However, both are way overkill. If you want something quiet in the wattage you'll be pulling and actually slightly better or comparable in performance, this would be a little better. 520W is also way overkill, but it helps to be at lower loads where the fan doesn't spin up as much.
Antec Neo Eco 520C - $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371030
You definitely don't want a video card with a blower fan if you want something quieter. Anyway, no reason to get a GTX 460 model when GTX 560 (non-Ti) models are the same price.
EVGA GTX 560 - $190 (you might want to search which models are quieter as I'm not sure offhand)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130660
Here's a decent SSD.
Crucial C300 64GB - $115
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148357
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On May 26 2011 11:52 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 11:51 Gemini_19 wrote:On May 26 2011 11:42 JingleHell wrote:
Yeah, as it turns out, having power to your CPU works wonders.
I've done more embarrasing. Tried to swap CPU's for a friend drunk once, ended up only swapping CPU heatsinks on my first try. xD I appreciate the help a lot. First time building a computer so it's all new to me ^^ Got to start somewhere, and it's a great feeling to get more for less, and it makes it all a lot less foreign when something breaks. GL with the installs and stuff.
Now I'm currently having this problem =/
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Question regarding cpus. I'm currently debating between an i5 and i7. If my upgrade cycle is 3-4 years, would a quad core be really beneficial? I'm not a hardcore gamer or anything but will a quad core become an absolute staple before I upgrade again?
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On May 27 2011 13:17 kNyTTyM wrote:
Question regarding cpus. I'm currently debating between an i5 and i7. If my upgrade cycle is 3-4 years, would a quad core be really beneficial? I'm not a hardcore gamer or anything but will a quad core become an absolute staple before I upgrade again?
Both the core i5 and i7 are quad core processors so I think you are misunderstanding the difference between the two or you meant the core i3 and i5.
The i3 is a dual core processor with hyperthreading. The i5 is a quad core processor. The i7 is a quad core processor with hyperthreading.
A quad core is nice to have since most games will take up two cores and the remaining cores can be used for your other programs. If you're not encoding, rendering, editing, etc, just forget about getting an i7 as the i7 provides no benefits over the i5 in gaming.
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On May 27 2011 13:27 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 13:17 kNyTTyM wrote:
Question regarding cpus. I'm currently debating between an i5 and i7. If my upgrade cycle is 3-4 years, would a quad core be really beneficial? I'm not a hardcore gamer or anything but will a quad core become an absolute staple before I upgrade again? Both the core i5 and i7 are quad core processors so I think you are misunderstanding the difference between the two or you meant the core i3 and i5. The i3 is a dual core processor with hyperthreading. The i5 is a quad core processor. The i7 is a quad core processor with hyperthreading. A quad core is nice to have since most games will take up two cores and the remaining cores can be used for your other programs. If you're not encoding, rendering, editing, etc, just forget about getting an i7 as the i7 provides no benefits over the i5 in gaming.
oh didn't mention this is for laptop cpus. i5 for laptops are dual core and i7 quads. Just thought more people would see if I posted here
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- The case has no airflow (and dust filters)... in addition to the fermi GPU...its gonna boil in there.
- The PSU is top mounted and gonna intake the hot air from the cpu.
- And a rough estimate using thermaltake's PSU calculator brings it at 464w....so the psu is gonna be working at its limit nonstop.
somethings gonna asplode lol.
+ ram is slow...
Safer bet would be to just dish out the extra dollars. Its definately worth it...
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there is barely any difference between ram speeds for real world applications and the difference can only be seen through synthetic benchmarks. thus it is not ideal to go for faster ram speeds unless there is a huge sale or something.
power supply calculators are overexaggerated. his configuration wouldn't even hit over 400W.
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On May 27 2011 14:37 Bambipwnsu wrote:- The case has no airflow (and dust filters)... in addition to the fermi GPU...its gonna boil in there. - The PSU is top mounted and gonna intake the hot air from the cpu. - And a rough estimate using thermaltake's PSU calculator brings it at 464w....so the psu is gonna be working at its limit nonstop. somethings gonna asplode lol. + ram is slow... Safer bet would be to just dish out the extra dollars. Its definately worth it...
The case does have a front filter fyi and it does provide adequate airflow for any mid-range configuration which his is. There is nothing wrong with a top mounted power supply case design, these have been around for ages.
Why do people insist on using a brand's power supply calculators? They're made to sell products... A GTX 460 uses around 150w under maximum load and a Core i5 2400 uses around 55w under maximum load. Add in 50w for other components and possibly a GPU overclock, the configuration is not even nearing 300w.
cas7 1066mhz is nearly identical to cas9 1333mhz so I don't see your reasoning for it being slow or do you just not know what you're talking about?
On May 27 2011 13:36 kNyTTyM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 13:27 skyR wrote:On May 27 2011 13:17 kNyTTyM wrote:
Question regarding cpus. I'm currently debating between an i5 and i7. If my upgrade cycle is 3-4 years, would a quad core be really beneficial? I'm not a hardcore gamer or anything but will a quad core become an absolute staple before I upgrade again? Both the core i5 and i7 are quad core processors so I think you are misunderstanding the difference between the two or you meant the core i3 and i5. The i3 is a dual core processor with hyperthreading. The i5 is a quad core processor. The i7 is a quad core processor with hyperthreading. A quad core is nice to have since most games will take up two cores and the remaining cores can be used for your other programs. If you're not encoding, rendering, editing, etc, just forget about getting an i7 as the i7 provides no benefits over the i5 in gaming. oh didn't mention this is for laptop cpus. i5 for laptops are dual core and i7 quads. Just thought more people would see if I posted here
Just get whichever one you need for now and don't worry about what is needed in 2-4 years time. If it's just for gaming, browsing, word processing than just get an i5.
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On May 27 2011 15:01 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 14:37 Bambipwnsu wrote:- The case has no airflow (and dust filters)... in addition to the fermi GPU...its gonna boil in there. - The PSU is top mounted and gonna intake the hot air from the cpu. - And a rough estimate using thermaltake's PSU calculator brings it at 464w....so the psu is gonna be working at its limit nonstop. somethings gonna asplode lol. + ram is slow... Safer bet would be to just dish out the extra dollars. Its definately worth it... The case does have a front filter fyi and it does provide adequate airflow for any mid-range configuration which his is. There is nothing wrong with a top mounted power supply case design, these have been around for ages. Why do people insist on using a brand's power supply calculators? They're made to sell products... A GTX 460 uses around 150w under maximum load and a Core i5 2400 uses around 55w under maximum load. Add in 50w for other components and possibly a GPU overclock, the configuration is not even nearing 300w. cas7 1066mhz is nearly identical to cas9 1333mhz so I don't see your reasoning for it being slow or do you just not know what you're talking about? Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 13:36 kNyTTyM wrote:On May 27 2011 13:27 skyR wrote:On May 27 2011 13:17 kNyTTyM wrote:
Question regarding cpus. I'm currently debating between an i5 and i7. If my upgrade cycle is 3-4 years, would a quad core be really beneficial? I'm not a hardcore gamer or anything but will a quad core become an absolute staple before I upgrade again? Both the core i5 and i7 are quad core processors so I think you are misunderstanding the difference between the two or you meant the core i3 and i5. The i3 is a dual core processor with hyperthreading. The i5 is a quad core processor. The i7 is a quad core processor with hyperthreading. A quad core is nice to have since most games will take up two cores and the remaining cores can be used for your other programs. If you're not encoding, rendering, editing, etc, just forget about getting an i7 as the i7 provides no benefits over the i5 in gaming. oh didn't mention this is for laptop cpus. i5 for laptops are dual core and i7 quads. Just thought more people would see if I posted here Just get whichever one you need for now and don't worry about what is needed in 2-4 years time. If it's just for gaming, browsing, word processing than just get an i5.
The case only has 1 fan stock. If you are going to add more fans than that, you might as well buy the haf 912. Even so, you still have less room, worst design, psu sucking hot air and u have stock negative pressure. Even the psu is sucking air in...so unless you have a jet engine or a 20 dollar fan you won't make this positive pressure case. If you don't care about dust whatever then.
Power consumption graph:
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The core i5 uses way more than 55w. I mean we are talking about a 95w thermal envelope here. Not to mention that mobo probably leaks more power than anything out there.
And since when is cas9 1333 ram decent? But even if it was cas7 or rather cas anything 1066 ram is basically ddr2 in ddr3 format.
I'm not trying to be rude or anything...i LOVE arguing.
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hey guys, my friend is thinking of getting a new computer and i offered to put together a list of parts:
CPU i5-2100 $121
MOBO Asrock H61M-VS $60
VGA PC 6850 $166
CASE CM Elite 371 $45
PSU Corsair cx430 $58
RAM G.Skill 4g 1333mhz $40
HDD WD Blue 500g $39
DVD Samsung DVDRW $29
All from MSY. (http://msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf) He plans on doing some gaming and school work. he isnt sure if he is going to be buying a new monitor or sticking with his old one (which is less than 1920x1080), so ill keep the 6850 if he upgrades or drop down to something like a 5770 if he sticks with his old junky one. He doesnt plan on using an SSD and probably wont need usb3
any holes in this build? i was trying to get it as cheap as possible without it blowing up
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On May 27 2011 15:43 Bambipwnsu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 15:01 skyR wrote:On May 27 2011 14:37 Bambipwnsu wrote:- The case has no airflow (and dust filters)... in addition to the fermi GPU...its gonna boil in there. - The PSU is top mounted and gonna intake the hot air from the cpu. - And a rough estimate using thermaltake's PSU calculator brings it at 464w....so the psu is gonna be working at its limit nonstop. somethings gonna asplode lol. + ram is slow... Safer bet would be to just dish out the extra dollars. Its definately worth it... The case does have a front filter fyi and it does provide adequate airflow for any mid-range configuration which his is. There is nothing wrong with a top mounted power supply case design, these have been around for ages. Why do people insist on using a brand's power supply calculators? They're made to sell products... A GTX 460 uses around 150w under maximum load and a Core i5 2400 uses around 55w under maximum load. Add in 50w for other components and possibly a GPU overclock, the configuration is not even nearing 300w. cas7 1066mhz is nearly identical to cas9 1333mhz so I don't see your reasoning for it being slow or do you just not know what you're talking about? On May 27 2011 13:36 kNyTTyM wrote:On May 27 2011 13:27 skyR wrote:On May 27 2011 13:17 kNyTTyM wrote:
Question regarding cpus. I'm currently debating between an i5 and i7. If my upgrade cycle is 3-4 years, would a quad core be really beneficial? I'm not a hardcore gamer or anything but will a quad core become an absolute staple before I upgrade again? Both the core i5 and i7 are quad core processors so I think you are misunderstanding the difference between the two or you meant the core i3 and i5. The i3 is a dual core processor with hyperthreading. The i5 is a quad core processor. The i7 is a quad core processor with hyperthreading. A quad core is nice to have since most games will take up two cores and the remaining cores can be used for your other programs. If you're not encoding, rendering, editing, etc, just forget about getting an i7 as the i7 provides no benefits over the i5 in gaming. oh didn't mention this is for laptop cpus. i5 for laptops are dual core and i7 quads. Just thought more people would see if I posted here Just get whichever one you need for now and don't worry about what is needed in 2-4 years time. If it's just for gaming, browsing, word processing than just get an i5. The case only has 1 fan stock. If you are going to add more fans than that, you might as well buy the haf 912. Even so, you still have less room, worst design, psu sucking hot air and u have stock negative pressure. Even the psu is sucking air in...so unless you have a jet engine or a 20 dollar fan you won't make this positive pressure case. If you don't care about dust whatever then. Power consumption graph: + Show Spoiler +The core i5 uses way more than 55w. I mean we are talking about a 95w thermal envelope here. Not to mention that mobo probably leaks more power than anything out there. And since when is cas9 1333 ram decent? But even if it was cas7 or rather cas anything 1066 ram is basically ddr2 in ddr3 format. I'm not trying to be rude or anything...i LOVE arguing.
What does that power consumption graph prove other than the fact that you're wrong? It's the measure of the entire system at the wall. 135 AC on a 80+ certified power supply is something like 110 DC and this is the entire system with only the processor at full load.
Anandtech measures the core i7 2600k consuming 86w under full load: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/21
A core i5 2500 is measured to use 62w and a core i5 2400 is measured to use 55w by xbitlabs: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i5-2500-2400-2300_10.html#sect0
TDP does not equate to power consumption.
Since when hasn't cas9 1333MHz been decent? Memory is just memory and if you're spending a premium on it without already having a flagship processor and graphics card, you obviously have your priorities wrong or you're not the average user.
http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377/3
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/sandy-bridge-ddr3_7.html#sect0
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Keep in mind that Intel rates many chips in the product line at the same TDP. i5-2300 is given the same as the i7-2600k, yet you can't possibly expect the i5-2300 to be able to consume as much power because it has a lower clock speed, less cache to use, no hyperthreading, and a less powerful integrated GPU. Another factor is that the cooling solution needs to be able to handle a full CPU + integrated GPU load, for CPUs with integrated GPUs on the same package. The TDP represents heat that needs to be dissipated for both portions combined. Under a full CPU load with the integrated GPU turned off, it's no wonder you don't reach 95W even with the i7-2600k.
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Thanks for the reply. I suppose I should've said I want a quad core because I want this build to last me a while. I think I'm gonna keep everything the same but stretch my budget a bit and get a 2500K and 8GB of RAM. Will be nice to have and will mean that my RAM and CPU won't have to be upgraded for a while.
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