EPTaesthetics, overclocking, silent pc, and aesthetics :D super excited to start a custom liquid cooling build honestly. i want to go all out and get blocks for everything and just have the pc looking amazing. i know im looking at atleast $3,000 probably for the entire rig. i just enjoy building pcs (even thought ive only built 2) built my current rig in november, and im already bored with it. my last pc lasted less than a year as well before i upgraded.
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aBstractx
United States287 Posts
aesthetics, overclocking, silent pc, and aesthetics :D super excited to start a custom liquid cooling build honestly. i want to go all out and get blocks for everything and just have the pc looking amazing. i know im looking at atleast $3,000 probably for the entire rig. i just enjoy building pcs (even thought ive only built 2) built my current rig in november, and im already bored with it. my last pc lasted less than a year as well before i upgraded. | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On May 21 2013 12:42 aBstractx wrote: aesthetics, overclocking, silent pc, and aesthetics :D super excited to start a custom liquid cooling build honestly. i want to go all out and get blocks for everything and just have the pc looking amazing. i know im looking at atleast $3,000 probably for the entire rig. i just enjoy building pcs (even thought ive only built 2) built my current rig in november, and im already bored with it. my last pc lasted less than a year as well before i upgraded. i could be wrong, but I'm 80% sure that liquid cooling is louder than normal cooling. | ||
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Craton
United States17294 Posts
The thing about SSDs is that the main payoff you get comes from random reads which constitutes that vast majority of what you do. RAID will help primarily with sequential reads/writes, but that only really comes into play when you're dealing with very large files (i.e. not very often). HDDs are quite fast during sequential operations, incidentally. The main reason to use RAID on an SSD is for backup purposes, but even then people generally have their "important" files on the HDD (typically media) and a RAID is limited by the weakest drive in the array, so you end up mirroring the HDD and not the SSD. Software vs Hardware mirroring/extending has various trade-offs between each other (compatibility, power loss redundancy, speed for each type of operation (random/sequential read/write). | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On May 21 2013 12:57 Alryk wrote: i could be wrong, but I'm 80% sure that liquid cooling is louder than normal cooling. Passive cooling is the least noise afaik, but that isn't really compatible with overclocking/high performance. | ||
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Spec
Taiwan931 Posts
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On May 21 2013 12:57 Alryk wrote: i could be wrong, but I'm 80% sure that liquid cooling is louder than normal cooling. Fans are the main noise maker. CLC's use high CFM fans to make the ethylene glycol coolant not be terrible, but it is soo inferior to water. A custom loop (cpu+gpu) running 2x 240mm and 1x 120mm rad can run silent fans and still have a delta T of <10c. The only problem is that a loop like this starts at around $400. On May 21 2013 20:16 Spec wrote: Are there any advantage either side when picking case materials in steel vs SECC plastic? Is one of the case materials superior in cooling performance? No and SECC is a steel alloy. SECC plastic just means the case is made out of steel and plastic. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On May 21 2013 20:16 Spec wrote: Are there any advantage either side when picking case materials in steel vs SECC plastic? Is one of the case materials superior in cooling performance? For radiating heat, best should be aluminium, then steel. This is only theory, it won't matter in practice in my opinion. Fans and good ventilation are most important and do fine with anything. When I had very bad ventilation in a metal case, the graphics card and CPU managed to heat the whole PC to more than 50 C after hours of gaming. The outside of the case felt pretty warm so I suppose it was helping by radiating heat. But after fixing the ventilation issues the case stays cold so there is nothing to radiate anymore. The case being metal didn't actually help enough to fix anything about the issue so extra fans were needed anyway. Now that there are enough fans, the case could be plastered with insulating foam like in a silent PC case and it would still be fine. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On May 21 2013 12:57 Alryk wrote: i could be wrong, but I'm 80% sure that liquid cooling is louder than normal cooling. For lower noise levels, lower heat, air is usually quieter. You don't get pump noise, and there is enough room for air-cooling heatsink arrays. I'd say that passive is air cooling by (mostly) convection. Kind of pointless, considering that if you slapped on a few say Scythe GT AP-12 (800 rpm, the ~10 dB @ 1 m), you're never going to hear that in most environments, and that can actually cool something much better than passive. For heavy overclocking of high-end CPUs and especially for cooling multiple graphics cards, custom water is going to be quieter. Blower-style graphics cards are just loud, and open-air GPU coolers don't exactly work well when stacked right up against each other. It really helps to move all the heat away to large amounts of liquid coolant and to huge radiators stacked up against the edge of the case. That way the air can flow in a much more directed, less turbulent fashion, hopefully with the aid of many low-speed fans working against the inside/outside of the case. | ||
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Craton
United States17294 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
I guess "lower noise levels" is pretty vague. I'm generally more talking about levels way below what say AnandTech even starts measuring from. Those ~5-slot aftermarket graphics card coolers are air cooling too.  | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20341 Posts
I saw a vid with a 1080 rad (and i think a couple of 240's or something too) keeping a bloomsfield i7 @ ~1.45v i think below 70c at load and a pair of 590's at something really silly like 50c. I wouldn't want to cool quad SLI, but it sounds really nice to be able to throw a ton of voltage at a CPU if it can tolerate it (which is also AFAIK much less dangerous when temps are in the 60's instead of 80's) | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On May 22 2013 03:27 Cyro wrote: I wouldn't imagine custom water to be anywhere near as loud as high end air cooling at the same performance levels (especially if you take gpu's into account, or have a lot of radiator surface area) but damn that sounds expensive. Are you adding GPU blocks etc into that price? I wondered for a while what it would cost to set up a nice custom loop for CPU. I saw a vid with a 1080 rad (and i think a couple of 240's or something too) keeping a bloomsfield i7 @ ~1.45v i think below 70c at load and a pair of 590's at something really silly like 50c. I wouldn't want to cool quad SLI, but it sounds really nice to be able to throw a ton of voltage at a CPU if it can tolerate it (which is also AFAIK much less dangerous when temps are in the 60's instead of 80's) Yeah a single GPU block is included. They cost around $100. My pricing is like this: $150 - entry level 240 kit (cpu block, 240rad, pump, reservoir, hose, 6 barbs) $100 - GPU block $100 - 120 + 240 rad $50+ - Fans, 6 more barbs (for gpu block and the extra rads), PT nuke + Kilcoil, Gallon of Distilled water. Barbs are stupidly expensive (>$5 ea.). | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20341 Posts
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On May 22 2013 04:47 Cyro wrote: 1080 rads expensive? I am a fan (or 9 fans) of extreme overkill :D http://www.frozencpu.com/ | ||
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aznheat80
United States186 Posts
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aBstractx
United States287 Posts
On May 22 2013 08:34 aznheat80 wrote: Hey, I was looking to build a computer, but I have no idea where to start. The only games I play are Starcraft 2 and LoL. I was wondering if someone could give me a build to use. My price range is about 600-700 dollars. Thanks in advance! fill out the questionaire the OP listed and they will help you from there. everyone in this thread is awesome! :D | ||
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zSoloo
50 Posts
I still want to stream and all that stuff. This is what i have so far CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler Mobo: ? GPU: ? Ram: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Power Supply: Corsair CX430 HD:Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Case: NZXT Source 220 ATX Mid Tower Case SSD: Samsung 840 Looking for some help on the Mobo and GPU - Not trying to go crazy with the money spending, just need something that i can stream with | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
Is an open air style GPU or a blower style GPU better for something in a fairly small case? I'll be building in a Temjin TJ08-E (Thanks Myrmidon!) when Haswell comes out, and I'll probably fit a 660 (760?) with it. I'd like it to be as silent as possible, but not if it makes thermals much worse, especially for the CPU. For reference, it'd be a straightforward ish build: 4670K, a GTX 660 (blower or open air?) and a single SSD/HDD combo if it matters. I'd love to have it as quiet as possible unless open air will make the air inside the case too hot. Would it be an issue? | ||
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aznheat80
United States186 Posts
$600-700 What is your resolution? 1600*900 What are you using it for? Mainly gaming (Starcraft 2 and LoL) What is your upgrade cycle? Long upgrade cycle When do you plan on building it? Asap (my computer keeps dying when I play starcraft) Do you plan on overclocking? No Do you need an Operating System? No Where are you buying your parts from? Newegg, Fry's, Microcenter are all fine Thank you! | ||
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
On May 22 2013 12:52 zSoloo wrote: I'm scraping the Mini tower build I still want to stream and all that stuff. This is what i have so far CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler Mobo: ? GPU: ? Ram: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Power Supply: Corsair CX430 HD:Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Case: NZXT Source 220 ATX Mid Tower Case SSD: Samsung 840 Looking for some help on the Mobo and GPU - Not trying to go crazy with the money spending, just need something that i can stream with Are you overclocking or not? The CPU and cooler are for an overclocking build and hence a waste of money if you're not. | ||
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