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On November 03 2012 17:53 Womwomwom wrote:
Its actually the best thing to happen to overclocking. You literally change the multiplier and you've got your overclock. If its not stable, decrease the multiplier or up the core voltage. Piss easy and also has eliminated the purpose of fast RAM.
Meh, it was much more fun back when you were juggling FSB and multiplier for overclocking. Pump the FSB as high as possible, since it also boosted memory bandwidth and once you reached that limit, play with the multi for some added CPU clockspeed.
Nowadays you just flip up the multiplier and be done with it.
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Ya, overclocking isn't my top priority. The only reason my current build is overclocked is because there was some mobo and GPU problem without the overclock. I generally like to keep things on default, but I guess I just like having the option to overclocking if I ever need to. However, i was just saying sc2 maxed out graphics with probably a steady 100+ fps would be a bare minimum so I can use it with a 120Hz monitor. As for streaming, I have not completely considered if it was necessary or not, but, like overclocking, I would like the option to be capable of streaming(only at 720p though not 1080p) I also play any new games that come out and if a good fps comes out(NOT CSGO) I would like to be prepared to play those games at max setting too. I play RTS, MOBA, FPS... basically anything as long as its intriguing. I also want to build a high end computer with the capacity to overclock, but already good enough to play everything that should be out there(plus any game that is about to come out) maxed out so I can just play those game comfortably. I already have a semi idea of what I would be getting, but I am open to suggestions. Here is the list.
HAF Xhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119225
ASUS Sabertooth X79 LGA http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131821
^ Not sure if I decide to get SLI if it will be crowded in the case(so extended ATX?). I had SLI in my current desktop and it was pretty crammed up.
Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115070
or
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231571
EVGA 02G-P4-2680-KR GeForce GTX 680 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130768
^really open to suggestions for video card. My current evga gtx 570 has given me insurmountable of wasted time and problems
Power supply I am not entirely sure what's good. Seems like a lot of people like the Corsairs though.
Thanks for helping me out guys =)
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The Sabertooth mobo you linked is probably way overkill even if you want to overclock. Corsair, XFX, PC Power & Cooling, Antec and Seasonic have good power supplies. Silverstone and Rosewill have some good ones as well. Delta and Seasonic OEM's are mostly high quality. Impervio, Sirtec, and Enhance have some good PSUs too. I'd personally avoid stuff like Seventeam and Channelwell unless its a strong model.
Why would you not pick up an Ivy Bridge CPU though? Sandy Bridge is only worth taking if you want to overclock it fairly heavily. If you have the money and want the power of a GTX 680 then EVGA is a fine choice but you might want to look into a card with a better cooling setup if you want the possibility to overclock the GPU in the future.
I think this power supply should be adequate if you want overclocking headroom, it's modular as well.
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Getting anything more expensive than a capstone 450w for a single gpu system is silly if you live in the states. Gold rated efficiency, and peak powerdraw well over 450w is very nice, and it's cheap.
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I tend to have bad temperature issues a lot with just fans for some reason so I just want to make sure I have good airflow in general so if anything I don't mind putting out for a really good case at this point. I would like to just keep it to fan cooling for now. This also goes along with the fact that the sabertooth mobo has a pretty nice setup to increase the airflow so I thought it would help(no matter how much) with the cooling.
Just looking at the sandy bridges like I said, I might potentially overclock in the future so I was considering. But honestly, I really don't think I will get into overclocking just cause I'm pretty lazy =) so ultimately I would want a setup to work like a dream even at default settings.
For the PSU, i'm not sure how much wattage I'm going to need since I'm still not 100% sure of what I want. However, I do like to get a more powerful PSU just in case I decide to SLI.
And finally, I do live in the states =)!
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On November 04 2012 00:14 poundcakes wrote:I think this power supply should be adequate if you want overclocking headroom, it's modular as well.
Seasonic M12II 620W for $90, seriously? It's pretty much the same power supply that people are buying as Antec Neo Eco for $35 (for 450W) and so on, just here fitted with Japanese capacitors and some modular cables.
I just posted Thermaltake Toughpower XT 575W for $55 last page, which is much better and cheaper.
On November 04 2012 01:20 ORooK wrote:
I tend to have bad temperature issues a lot with just fans for some reason so I just want to make sure I have good airflow in general so if anything I don't mind putting out for a really good case at this point. I would like to just keep it to fan cooling for now. This also goes along with the fact that the sabertooth mobo has a pretty nice setup to increase the airflow so I thought it would help(no matter how much) with the cooling.
Temperature should never be an issue unless you're using an unusually unsuited chassis (any gamer box is outside of that category), a heatsink is falling off / needs repasting / needs dust cleaning, you've got multiple graphics cards, or you're doing heavy overclocking. Extra case fans and case price is generally not a deciding factor. Sure, it can make a few or several degrees difference (mostly due to design, not a couple extra fans), but that's not what's going to cause bad temperature issues.
Lancool K62 is already plenty fine, needlessly noisy for most systems actually.
There's pretty much no way to spend that budget in a way that makes sense for your purposes (e.g. motherboards over $125 and so don't make any sense for what you need). Just grab a i5-3570k, GTX 680, and be on your merry way.
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Good evening guys,
I have been able to build up a small amount of money (around 300-400€) and I would like to upgrade my computer, but I do not really know what are the first things I should consider to get the best out of it, since my computer is 3 years old and back then it was already a budget build.
What I would like to be able to do:
-Run HotS smoothly with decent graphic options (obviously)
-Being able to play recent games (Dishonored, Arkham City, some FPS maybe) with average graphic settings, decent would be a plus
-Dual screen with a decent resolution (I use my computer a lot for reading research articles and writing, PhD student for the win).
My computers specs are in the spoiler, and my question is twofold:
1°) Is there anything good I can keep from this Frankencomputer, built out of budget stuff, or would it be easier/cheaper to scrap everything and start a new build from start?
2°) What should I prioritize if I want to upgrade this existing computers?
+ Show Spoiler +
Operating System
Microsoft Windows 7 Professionnel 64-bit SP1
CPU
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3.00GHz 54 °C
Wolfdale 45nm Technology
RAM
4,00 Go Dual-Channel DDR2 @ 399MHz (5-5-5-18)
Motherboard
ASUSTeK Computer INC. P5QC (LGA 775) 39 °C
Graphics
DELL 1905FP (1280x1024@60Hz)
ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series (MSI) 48 °C
Hard Drives
466GB Western Digital WDC WD5002AALX-00J37A0 ATA Device (SATA) 37 °C
75GB Maxtor 6Y080M0 ATA Device (SATA) 40 °C
149GB FUJITSU MAXTOR STM3160813AS ATA Device (SATA) 34 °C
Optical Drives
DTSOFT Virtual CdRom Device
TSSTcorp CDRW/DVD TSH492B ATA Device
Audio
Périphérique High Definition Audio
TL;DR (but please read  ): 300-400€ to spend on computer parts, what should I get for a productivity/SC2 + some games usage?
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Well noise factor for case would be important for me as well. Usually the smaller fans with higher RPMs generate the loudest noise so bigger cases which allow for bigger fans should make less noise if they are maintained at lower RPMs. I'm just assuming this though. I've always had mid ATX's, but my video cards generally go up pretty high in temp at max load. Right now my evga gtx 570 idles around 50 and at full load is about 80ish. I also like to have something that is aesthetically pleasing as well as awesome cooling efficiency.
Part of me trying to make a pretty beast rig just so It can last me for the years coming. I do understand there might be some things going over the top, but I'm just trying to build something that I can even modify maybe in 2-3 years. However, I also know that is possible to buy parts that are way over my needs so that's why I'm here seeking help and appreciate all the feedback already.
I do think I can go with an i5-3570k and I am thinking of getting a GTX680, but PSU wise would i need higher watts if I decide to SLI later down in the road? and is EVGA gtx 680 the right road to go for the GPU?
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On November 04 2012 02:37 Ahelvin wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Good evening guys, I have been able to build up a small amount of money (around 300-400€) and I would like to upgrade my computer, but I do not really know what are the first things I should consider to get the best out of it, since my computer is 3 years old and back then it was already a budget build. What I would like to be able to do: -Run HotS smoothly with decent graphic options (obviously) -Being able to play recent games (Dishonored, Arkham City, some FPS maybe) with average graphic settings, decent would be a plus -Dual screen with a decent resolution (I use my computer a lot for reading research articles and writing, PhD student for the win). My computers specs are in the spoiler, and my question is twofold: 1°) Is there anything good I can keep from this Frankencomputer, built out of budget stuff, or would it be easier/cheaper to scrap everything and start a new build from start? 2°) What should I prioritize if I want to upgrade this existing computers? + Show Spoiler +
Operating System
Microsoft Windows 7 Professionnel 64-bit SP1
CPU
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3.00GHz 54 °C
Wolfdale 45nm Technology
RAM
4,00 Go Dual-Channel DDR2 @ 399MHz (5-5-5-18)
Motherboard
ASUSTeK Computer INC. P5QC (LGA 775) 39 °C
Graphics
DELL 1905FP (1280x1024@60Hz)
ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series (MSI) 48 °C
Hard Drives
466GB Western Digital WDC WD5002AALX-00J37A0 ATA Device (SATA) 37 °C
75GB Maxtor 6Y080M0 ATA Device (SATA) 40 °C
149GB FUJITSU MAXTOR STM3160813AS ATA Device (SATA) 34 °C
Optical Drives
DTSOFT Virtual CdRom Device
TSSTcorp CDRW/DVD TSH492B ATA Device
Audio
Périphérique High Definition Audio
E8400 is still a decent gaming CPU. When people get a slower current-gen dual-core Pentium, they're getting something similar. Unless you're crunching numbers/simulations nonstop on your own computer for research, it's probably okay there too.
If it's a Frankencomputer, what't the chassis? How many monitors do you currently have? (It shows your main as an old 1280x1024.)
Assuming your main monitor is 1280x1024, I would first buy a new monitor. Then it makes sense to upgrade the graphics card to something like HD 7850 1GB. That's almost your entire budget, assuming you get a reasonable monitor. Check the monitor thread.
For SC2, it may help to have better CPU performance. The motherboard is good, so a cost-effective upgrade would be to get a CPU cooler (20-30 euros for some decent 120mm fan tower cooler, so long as that fits in the chassis) and overclock close to 4 GHz.
On November 04 2012 02:47 ORooK wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well noise factor for case would be important for me as well. Usually the smaller fans with higher RPMs generate the loudest noise so bigger cases which allow for bigger fans should make less noise if they are maintained at lower RPMs. I'm just assuming this though. I've always had mid ATX's, but my video cards generally go up pretty high in temp at max load. Right now my evga gtx 570 idles around 50 and at full load is about 80ish. I also like to have something that is aesthetically pleasing as well as awesome cooling efficiency.
Part of me trying to make a pretty beast rig just so It can last me for the years coming. I do understand there might be some things going over the top, but I'm just trying to build something that I can even modify maybe in 2-3 years. However, I also know that is possible to buy parts that are way over my needs so that's why I'm here seeking help and appreciate all the feedback already.
I do think I can go with an i5-3570k and I am thinking of getting a GTX680, but PSU wise would i need higher watts if I decide to SLI later down in the road? and is EVGA gtx 680 the right road to go for the GPU?
>> noise factor important
>> EVGA GTX 680
>> SLI (??) GTX 680
---> conflict
You maybe should try Antec P280 or Corsair 550D instead, but the main thing is to not have really loud graphics cards. If you're buying reference-style blower cooler GPUs like for most EVGA models, of course they will be hot. They can handle the heat. Temperature in 80s is nothing for Fermi. You improve temperatures (non-trivially) by getting better cooling solutions for the parts that get hot, not by adding more fans to the chassis.
No matter how much you spend now, you can't buy technology that hasn't been invented or released to market yet, so I hope you realize any dreams of future-proofing are just fantasies. It's going to get outdated. Something way over your needs now is going to be insufficient later. And pretty much anything you buy now can be modified in 2-3 years, so there's little rationalization for going excessively big now.
As for the PSU, we'll figure that out after you've finalized the rest.
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On November 04 2012 03:11 Myrmidon wrote:
E8400 is still a decent gaming CPU. When people get a slower current-gen dual-core Pentium, they're getting something similar. Unless you're crunching numbers/simulations nonstop on your own computer for research, it's probably okay there too.
If it's a Frankencomputer, what't the chassis? How many monitors do you currently have? (It shows your main as an old 1280x1024.)
Assuming your main monitor is 1280x1024, I would first buy a new monitor. Then it makes sense to upgrade the graphics card to something like HD 7850 1GB. That's almost your entire budget, assuming you get a reasonable monitor. Check the monitor thread.
For SC2, it may help to have better CPU performance. The motherboard is good, so a cost-effective upgrade would be to get a CPU cooler (20-30 euros for some decent 120mm fan tower cooler, so long as that fits in the chassis) and overclock close to 4 GHz.
Thanks a ton !
Actually, the second (which will become my main) monitor will be my christmas present. Considering I have a bit more money to spend, is there something I should consider upgrading? In your opinion, is a small-capacity SSD for the OS worth it?
EDIT: The chassis is a basic Cooler Master.
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On November 04 2012 03:38 Ahelvin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 03:11 Myrmidon wrote:
E8400 is still a decent gaming CPU. When people get a slower current-gen dual-core Pentium, they're getting something similar. Unless you're crunching numbers/simulations nonstop on your own computer for research, it's probably okay there too.
If it's a Frankencomputer, what't the chassis? How many monitors do you currently have? (It shows your main as an old 1280x1024.)
Assuming your main monitor is 1280x1024, I would first buy a new monitor. Then it makes sense to upgrade the graphics card to something like HD 7850 1GB. That's almost your entire budget, assuming you get a reasonable monitor. Check the monitor thread.
For SC2, it may help to have better CPU performance. The motherboard is good, so a cost-effective upgrade would be to get a CPU cooler (20-30 euros for some decent 120mm fan tower cooler, so long as that fits in the chassis) and overclock close to 4 GHz.
Thanks a ton ! Actually, the second (which will become my main) monitor will be my christmas present. Considering I have a bit more money to spend, is there something I should consider upgrading? In your opinion, is a small-capacity SSD for the OS worth it? EDIT: The chassis is a basic Cooler Master.
Okay, most Cooler Masters (not all) should support a normal tower heatsink like their own Hyper 212 Plus / EVO. Check or measure height limitations before you buy. Most of those towers are around 159mm tall, though some other options are 152mm or so.
Maybe you can just save the money for Haswell, coming about a half year later. It shouldn't be a whole lot better than what you can buy now, but it's enough generations later to be a reasonable upgrade from a high-end Core 2 Duo.
To be honest, you could run three monitors. Sticking with a single 1280x1024 for work is just not so good, in my opinion.
SSD is a fine idea. You may as well get 120-128GB these days though, given prices. Some kind of Intel 330 / 335, Crucial M4, Samsung 830 should be priced low and are good.
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Hey, i need a computer that runs skyrim/minecraft/sc2/diablo3/dayz on low-medium settings (if you can get it higher on my budget then please do so) for around 500$ at 1600x900 resolution. I need a windows 7 copy
What is your budget?
400-600$
What is your resolution?
1600x900
What are you using it for?
gaming
What is your upgrade cycle?
not gonna put new parts in it ever, will just buy a new one in 3-ish years
When do you plan on building it?
by Christmas
Do you plan on overclocking?
no
Do you need an Operating System?
yes, windows 7
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
nope
Where are you buying your parts from?
newegg or cheapest i can find (there's a microcenter about 30 minutes from my house, if its worth the gas and time ill head out there)
thanks in advance
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On November 03 2012 14:40 Belial88 wrote:
i stand corrected. god that sucks.
Its actually the best thing to happen to overclocking. You literally change the multiplier and you've got your overclock. If its not stable, decrease the multiplier or up the core voltage. Piss easy and also has eliminated the purpose of fast RAM.
Overclocking is kind of a waste these days. This isn't the age where you could physically modify CPU/GPUs or overclock them so heavily that they beat products better than them. All it is is just a stop-gap so you can delay obsolesce and system performance has pretty much hit a brick wall anyway. [/QUOTE]
The problem with Multipler overclocking is that you can no longer enable power saving features like CoolnQuiet/PowerNow! when going over stock multiplier. The only way to use these features is to FSB overclock and have multi at stock and lower.
You also can't finetune as much with a multiplier. I mean, it's give or take 200-250 mhz with multipler overclocks, which is a huge difference. With multiplier only, you might have a 3.8ghz overclock when that core would be just stable at 3.950 or 3.99, which is very possible, which would also tell you hey it might be worth a tiny increase in voltage over where you are to get that 4ghz or whatever. I dont know about you, but I like to finetune EVERYTHING in my system by as close as possible. My cpu overclock was finetuned within 5mhz, my cpu northbridge was fine tuned within 20 mhz, my ht link as well (my ram not so much since i was focused more on timings than clock speed but i do think its within 30-50mhz).
I hate multiplier overclocking. I'm not even particularly well versed in overclocking or anything. but every black edition i've used, i simply used fsb and lower multis as if it was a non-be.
As for streaming, I have not completely considered if it was necessary or not, but, like overclocking, I would like the option to be capable of streaming(only at 720p though not 1080p) I also play any new games that come out and if a good fps comes out(NOT CSGO) I would like to be prepared to play those games at max setting too. I play RTS, MOBA, FPS... basically anything as long as its intriguing. I also want to build a high end computer with the capacity to overclock, but already good enough to play everything that should be out there(plus any game that is about to come out) maxed out so I can just play those game comfortably. I already have a semi idea of what I would be getting, but I am open to suggestions. Here is the list.
Well it kind of makes a big difference, honestly. If all you want to do is play starcraft 2 then I would recommend you get a pentium GXXX dualcore, which performs better at sc2 than literally any sc2 processor out there, including the phenom ii hexacores (quite frankly sc2 doesnt see a difference between phenom quadcore and hexacore, and very little difference between dual and quad, the only difference in dual and quad is just other applications in background being offloaded to 3rd and 4th cores).
If you want to stream though, quadcore > dualcore, and phenom ii and even athlon ii can play sc2 quite well already. I mean if you just want to go ahead and buy an i5, go for it. I'm just talking from a purely practical and budget standpoint here, if you want to buy the moon with your hard earned cash, go for it, you won't be dissapointed (to be frank, i dont think anyone is dissapointed in a phenom ii in sc2 streaming or performance either though).
Sc2 is quite processor heavy, unlike most games out there, so if you get a processor that can play sc2 i wouldn't worry about other games. I mean a phenom ii and whatnot will play bf3 just fine, since such games rely much more heavily on the GPU than sc2. Sc2 is 'weird' in the sense that it relies a lot on the cpu, unlike most games. If you want a system that can play most games, a sc2 CPU and a bf3 GPU would be what you'd want.
You should probably look into overclocking, now, before you buy a new computer. It's kind of a big difference. I mean an intel i5-k is a lot more expensive than a non-k edition. It doesn't necessarily require different parts... but it kind of does. Why don't you learn about overclocking your current system? I really dont understand why doesnt everyone just overclock (unless you dont have time, but if you have time to play computer games...). There's really no risk to overclocking, and you'll find that temperatures and voltages generally won't be a concern, as in, you'll probably reach near your system limits before they become the limiting factor (what i mean is, is for example, increasign my gpu voltage to 1.087 netted me a 250mhz overclock over reference gpu, increasing it from 1.087 to 1.2 by modding my gpu bios with nvflash and going into potentially dangerous voltages and territory wouldnt get me another 20 mhz).
I dont want to be insulting here but... it sounds like you should do a lot more research before you consider blowing $2000 on a computer. Especially considering that to play starcraft on high graphics, a $600 system is complete overkill (as in maxed graphics, maxed resolution, AA) and a $200 system will play on high graphics at 720 very very smoothly.
Streaming is also... something in a league of it's own.
http://www.twitch.tv/belialtester88/b/337906238
This is a vod of me streaming SC2 on ultra graphics, 1360x768 resolution, at a 1280x720 @ 45 fps stream. This is with an athlon ii x3 450, that I unlocked to x4 and overclocked from 3.2 to 3.41 (this is what everyone gets with their athlon ii x3, that or it doesnt unlock but gets over 4ghz). It's not perfect, but in-game performance is perfectly stable on my end, I dont even notice I'm streaming. The fps is locked to 60 since I have a 60hz monitor though, and a better processor would ensure higher minimum fps for sure.
My system is fine for streaming, although it's probably bottom of the barrel in what can get by with a 720p stream (to be fair though, compare my stream to any pro stream, and you'll notice it's better than about 80-90% of pro streams out there, although this is probably more because i know what im doing more or less). If you really wanted a super high end stream, people go for an i7 so they can compress the data at a slower rate and lots of cores/threads. But an i3 or i5 is really quite fine for streaming, or any quadcore phenom ii.
Anyways, i dont think you really care about any of this stuff, but my point is that an i7 is total overkill for this dude. I'd really urge you to get an i5-2500k at most, and based on what you've said about your knowledge on overclocking, i really think you should step it down to a non-k edition, i3, maybe lower end i5, or G8XXX. There's really no reason to spend more than $500 on a system that all your going to do with is play video games on. There's literally no reason to get an i7 unless you are doing some serious professional encoding work on.
1. There's nooo reason to get 16gb of ram dude. There's very little reason to get more than 4GB of RAM, even for heavy gaming. And there's also no reason to get such expensive RAM either. There's very little difference in RAM. If you insist on blowing $80 for no reason, seriously, just upgrade your i7 to an i9 or your GPU. Yes i know i9 doesnt exist. But $80 into a cpu or gpu is a wayyy better usage of your resources. Although it does sound like you have unlimited resources. but seroiusly, 4GB of RAM will never be all used up in starcraft 2, streaming, on ultra quality.
let me ask you a question - do you even play starcraft on high quality? i mean most people ladder on low, maybe medium. just curious...
but seriously, no reason to go above 4GB unless for professional reasons. At the very least, just buy 4GB, and oh hey, you notice in task manager you go above 90% RAM usage, get 4more GB to 8GB. There's seriously no reason to get more than 4GB, 8GB, of ram. There's also no reason to get such expensive ram either. You said yourself you dont really plan to overclock. This is overclocking RAM (and overclocking RAm gets you maybe 1-2% performance increase at most?).
2. why can't you use your current pc case? dont need to answer that, you really dont need to spend so much on a case, it's not a critical component.
3. dont get that motherboard unless you plan to overclock the fuck out of everything lol. this is not a motherboard for someone doing their first overclock. this is for some liquid cooling shit.
4. You know, SC2 really doesn't need more than 1GB of VRAM. I've actually tested this. On Ultra graphics on 720p with AA, you don't go above 780mb of VRAM. I know you are playing on 1080, so you should get 1GB of VRAM, but no reason to get 2GB for sc2. you do say you plan to play other games, so whatever.
good luck. ignore me. im just saying you probably dont need to spend so much just to play starcraft... i mean you really dont need to spend more than $500 to have the ultimate sc2 experience lol. its an old game. it really doesnt require much. Other video games are GPU reliant, not CPU reliant, so basically any system with a decent GPU will play all of todays and tommorows games. an i7 is a professional cpu, not a gamers cpu (you dont buy a fighter jet to travel, it's extremely uncomfortable and expensive for no reason when any regular gulfstream private jet will do it in the same time basically.. your buying a formula 1 racecar when what you really want is a porsche, cadillac, or mustang, they all have to obey the speed limit on roads).
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On November 04 2012 05:50 TuckFexas wrote:
Hey, i need a computer that runs skyrim/minecraft/sc2/diablo3/dayz on low-medium settings (if you can get it higher on my budget then please do so) for around 500$ at 1600x900 resolution. I need a windows 7 copy
What is your budget?
400-600$
What is your resolution?
1600x900
What are you using it for?
gaming
What is your upgrade cycle?
not gonna put new parts in it ever, will just buy a new one in 3-ish years
When do you plan on building it?
by Christmas
Do you plan on overclocking?
no
Do you need an Operating System?
yes, windows 7
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
nope
Where are you buying your parts from?
newegg or cheapest i can find (there's a microcenter about 30 minutes from my house, if its worth the gas and time ill head out there)
thanks in advance
GTX 460 or slower GPU. A radeon 4850 would really be perfect. You can use a 768mb version just fine, at your resolution and settings you will never go above 600mb of VRAM. I'd actually recommend you get like a 4850 GPU, because with your budget you could probably fit an i5, which would be fucking awesome. Or, you could save a good $200-300, and just go with a Pentium G860, that'd be the perfect CPU for your needs, but an i3 would be a great 'splurge' for your budget and an i5 if your okay spending $500-600 rather than saving money. plenty of decent psu's out there, antec makes good ones, just search on that, any 80% bronze psu around 400-500w would be more than enough. any motherboard rated for the cpu would be fine, micro-atx even would be fine (all the difference between mobos is overclock ability and SLI, basically, just check the chipset differences on your socket, i'd recommend you avoid MSi brand motherboards, and asus is really good, but that doesn't really matter if you dont plan to oc). 4gb ram. any used hdd.
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On November 04 2012 06:46 Belial88 wrote:
The problem with Multipler overclocking is that you can no longer enable power saving features like CoolnQuiet/PowerNow! when going over stock multiplier. The only way to use these features is to FSB overclock and have multi at stock and lower.
Power saving features on Intel works by decreasing the multiplier, it has been this way for quite some time.
No offense but I think you need to get out of the past. All high-end GPUs will have 2-6GB of memory these days. GTX 460s and 4850s don't exist anymore at most retailers so I'm not sure why you are recommending these ancient cards still.
2x4gb kits are like $30 nowadays. The holiday season will bring this down to $10-$20. Unless you are living from pay cheque to pay cheque, there is literally no reason to only get 4gb of memory (even for gaming).
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On November 04 2012 06:46 Belial88 wrote:
The problem with Multipler overclocking is that you can no longer enable power saving features like CoolnQuiet/PowerNow! when going over stock multiplier. The only way to use these features is to FSB overclock and have multi at stock and lower.
That depends on your processor. For K10 CPUs, for example, this is a more than adequate alternative to CNQ that works with multiplier overclocking.
http://phenommsrtweake.sourceforge.net/
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thank you myrmidon and belial88 I really appreciate the advice. The current computer I have now is almost 5 years old, but it still runs everything fine. Currently, I run everything on very high in sc2 and probably get fps from 120 down to 40-50 when there's huge fights.
It's probably a good idea if I just list my specs of my current build just to give an idea of what I'm upgrading from.
Asus P6T Deluxe Mobo
i7 920 @ 2.67GHz
G-Skill 12GB RAM
EVGA GTX 570
and PSU, i don't even remember i think its 750watts though. I used to SLI EVGA 265's.
I also run two monitors 28" Hannspree @ 1920x1200 and an ASUS 24" @ 1920x1080
My current build handled games like BF3, skyrim, etc, but once it ran for a couple of hours my gfx got pretty hot and then the graphics would start to lag. Sc2 I have no problems running, but I did have a frame rate problem when 1.5 patch came out. It's way better now. I plan to put this desktop in the guest to use as a backup and just upgrade to a new computer. I game mostly from my computer so I would like to just run games a little more efficiently because the most recent game I played was Sleeping Dogs and if i played for too long my system kinda just dies.
I did look at those cases and I really like the Corsair 550D. I also found a pretty interesting case Silverstone FT-02 that looks pretty awesome
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163214
If i stick with the i5 3570K, what motherboard do you guys recommend? I usually stick with ASUS, but I'm not too sure. I read that ASrock is okay too.
GFXwise is the GTX 680 a good choice for a single GFX? and whether to go with EVGA, MSI, or GIGABYTE.
Ya I read ram performance doesn't change the overall performance too much, but I think I would probably still get like 8GB of RAM regardless.
I do also want to upgrade to a 120Hz monitor, which those can also be a bit pricey so the less I spend on the desktop the better. It seems like at this point the most expensive computer parts would be the processor and the GFX. Computer case wise I'm pampering myself a little I guess since I just want a nice, quiet, and awesome case.
But honestly, I really appreciate the help. I know my logic might be kinda all over the place, but I'm just trying to straighten things out myself. Thank you guys =)
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An overclocked 920 performs on par with a stock Ivybridge so upgrading from such a high-end configuration to a mediocre one is sort of a waste...
Why don't you re-use some components? Why don't you overclock your current CPU?
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I actually did try to overclock, but it's really unstable and Prime always detected something wrong. I think in my current build the oldest part is definitely my mobo that's not playing well with the 570 etc. I kinda just want to just put this desktop aside and start fresh.
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Get the monitor.
Hardware upgrades arent for you right now. We have new architectures coming out within a year, and a 570 is fine.
Otherwise you are gonna upgrade, and then what upgrade again in a half year or so?
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