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ORooK
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I still appreciate all the help because it will still be relevant and helpful when the new tech comes out. I guess I should just start looking at some 120hz monitors. Any suggestions? *EDIT* maybe this? http://www.amazon.com/VG278HE-27-Inch-Screen-LED-lit-Monitor/dp/B00906HM6K/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1351988369&sr=1-2&keywords=ASUS VG Series VG278H | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
Also Im partial to the Samsung 23A750D, but we have a whole monitor thread here on TL. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
On November 04 2012 09:42 Medrea wrote: Well. Soon is a relative term here. Like next march or april? Also Im partial to the Samsung 23A750D, but we have a whole monitor thread here on TL. gotta agree, have this monitor, just love it (got it thanks to the thread refered to) | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
On November 04 2012 07:27 skyR wrote: Power saving features on Intel works by decreasing the multiplier, it has been this way for quite some time. No offense but I think you need to get out of the past. All high-end GPUs will have 2-6GB of memory these days. GTX 460s and 4850s don't exist anymore at most retailers so I'm not sure why you are recommending these ancient cards still. 2x4gb kits are like $30 nowadays. The holiday season will bring this down to $10-$20. Unless you are living from pay cheque to pay cheque, there is literally no reason to only get 4gb of memory (even for gaming). Sc2 is a game of the past. if someone is asking for a computer to play a game of the past, your going to use parts from the past. There's no reason to spend $300+ for a GPU to play a game of the past. And it's not really even like that, a gtx 460 will play battlefield 3 at a comfortable level - you won't max out the graphics, but on lower resolution, or sacrificing a few settings to a still very-pretty level, and you'll get by just fine. The guy said he was playing sc2, on low-medium. He did not say he wanted to play all video games or anything like that. And, given his budget, I believe it's a much better allocation of limited resources, to get something like a radeon 4850 card for $60-80, and then $200+ on the CPU. Sc2 really isn't going to appreciate a $300 GPU more than it'd appreciate a $100 one, but it will appreciate a $200 cpu. I also stated that a $100 cpu and $100 gpu will work just fine, but given his $600 budget, and how a nice cpu in general is a great thing, why would you get anything more powerful than a 460 to play starcraft on medium at 720. Not to mention it's a lot easier to one day upgrade the GPU than it is to upgrade the CPU. I do not know if Speedstep still works if you increased multiplier, but AMD's version, C1E/powernow/coolnquiet don't work if you overclock by increasing the multiplier past stock. That's what I was referring too. doesnt really matter i guess if intel is the subject of discussion here anyways and you can't fsb overclock with intel anyways. I understand that 8GB of RAM is cheap, but there's literally no reason to get it for a gaming system. If $10-20 really means so little to you, just send it to me. Or, you can put that $10-20 on upgrading your CPU/GPU. I think the person in question would definitely benefit - I mean, go with 4GB of RAM, and with your $10-20, you can get a higher clocked version of your CPU, or you can get a brand of GPU that is preferable. You could get something fancy like extra case fans, cold cathodes, or next day shipping even. All of which is more useful than more than 4GB of RAM, frankly. 8GB of RAM can definitely be warranted sometimes, I'm not saying it's like an i7 where it's totally unwarranted for the common gamer. But... you can easily order 4GB more, and gaming+streaming+multiple internettabs+internet+monitoring programs aren't going to get to 4GB limit. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
My current build handled games like BF3, skyrim, etc, but once it ran for a couple of hours my gfx got pretty hot and then the graphics would start to lag. Sc2 I have no problems running, but I did have a frame rate problem when 1.5 patch came out. It's way better now. I plan to put this desktop in the guest to use as a backup and just upgrade to a new computer. I game mostly from my computer so I would like to just run games a little more efficiently because the most recent game I played was Sleeping Dogs and if i played for too long my system kinda just dies. Everyone had frame rate problems with 1.5. That's not a hardware issue. Check out unit preloader. Are you SURE your hardware is the issue? No offence, but it sounds like something else is the problem, not the hardware. You have too much money. Ya I read ram performance doesn't change the overall performance too much, but I think I would probably still get like 8GB of RAM regardless. Why? Why would you do that 'regardless'? Extra $50 on your CPU or GPU or anything would go a long way in improving your performance. Over 4 GB of RAM would do nothing for you. Do you really have too much money? I'm all for spending money willy nilly but surely you could pick out a GPU with a more favorable brand or stock clock speed, or an accessory, or something. I mean, you picked out $120 in RAM. I have $30 in RAM in my system, and it performs twice as good as my friends gskill $100 ram because of simple tweaking. which still means nothing anyways. I do also want to upgrade to a 120Hz monitor, which those can also be a bit pricey so the less I spend on the desktop the better. It seems like at this point the most expensive computer parts would be the processor and the GFX. Computer case wise I'm pampering myself a little I guess since I just want a nice, quiet, and awesome case. There you go. Save on RAM, put that money into a better monitor. You can literally buy just another stick the next week if REALLY find pressed on RAM. Hell, dude, just open up task manager, leave it up, play some games, see if you ever get near 4GB of RAM usage in your current system. I mean with 12GB do you ever get near maxed memory usage? Your system runs everything fine now because you got a ridiculously top end system 5 years ago. You bought a supercomputer 5 years ago. Congralutions, you spent more 5 years ago than just buying a $500 system then and now would have cost, and performs just slightly less than. If i stick with the i5 3570K, what motherboard do you guys recommend? I usually stick with ASUS, but I'm not too sure. I read that ASrock is okay too. Motherboard quality is 99% determined by VRM and mosfet chip quality. If you don't plan to overclock majorly, or at all, really, just get the cheapest motherboard that has the right socket and pci-e x16. This really isn't something I'd advise in most circumstances, but you really dont sound like you plan to overclock, dont sound like you know much about overclocking, and it only matters when you get hardcore into overvolting your overclocks. So save your self some money, get a better monitor, just get a nice combo motherboard+cpu deal or micro-atx board. Asus makes great boards, yea, but no reason for you to get one. You don't spend an extra $50 to get K edition if you dont plan to overclock. Similarly, you dont spend extra for a motherboard if you dont plan to overclock. Your system as it is should be able to stream games just fine. It's a ridiculously strong system now, I would chalk up any in-game performance issues you have now to software problems, viruses, bad settings... If you want a guest computer just spend $200 on an athlon ii build that can play any modern game on 720 on medium settings. anyways ive said my peace on this matter. im not the most knowledgeable person on intels or high end systems. i just know that you really dont need an i7 to run an old game like starcraft, and what it takes to play sc2 on max. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On November 04 2012 11:24 Belial88 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On November 04 2012 07:27 skyR wrote: Power saving features on Intel works by decreasing the multiplier, it has been this way for quite some time. No offense but I think you need to get out of the past. All high-end GPUs will have 2-6GB of memory these days. GTX 460s and 4850s don't exist anymore at most retailers so I'm not sure why you are recommending these ancient cards still. 2x4gb kits are like $30 nowadays. The holiday season will bring this down to $10-$20. Unless you are living from pay cheque to pay cheque, there is literally no reason to only get 4gb of memory (even for gaming). Sc2 is a game of the past. if someone is asking for a computer to play a game of the past, your going to use parts from the past. There's no reason to spend $300+ for a GPU to play a game of the past. And it's not really even like that, a gtx 460 will play battlefield 3 at a comfortable level - you won't max out the graphics, but on lower resolution, or sacrificing a few settings to a still very-pretty level, and you'll get by just fine. The guy said he was playing sc2, on low-medium. He did not say he wanted to play all video games or anything like that. And, given his budget, I believe it's a much better allocation of limited resources, to get something like a radeon 4850 card for $60-80, and then $200+ on the CPU. Sc2 really isn't going to appreciate a $300 GPU more than it'd appreciate a $100 one, but it will appreciate a $200 cpu. I also stated that a $100 cpu and $100 gpu will work just fine, but given his $600 budget, and how a nice cpu in general is a great thing, why would you get anything more powerful than a 460 to play starcraft on medium at 720. Not to mention it's a lot easier to one day upgrade the GPU than it is to upgrade the CPU. I do not know if Speedstep still works if you increased multiplier, but AMD's version, C1E/powernow/coolnquiet don't work if you overclock by increasing the multiplier past stock. That's what I was referring too. doesnt really matter i guess if intel is the subject of discussion here anyways and you can't fsb overclock with intel anyways. I understand that 8GB of RAM is cheap, but there's literally no reason to get it for a gaming system. If $10-20 really means so little to you, just send it to me. Or, you can put that $10-20 on upgrading your CPU/GPU. I think the person in question would definitely benefit - I mean, go with 4GB of RAM, and with your $10-20, you can get a higher clocked version of your CPU, or you can get a brand of GPU that is preferable. You could get something fancy like extra case fans, cold cathodes, or next day shipping even. All of which is more useful than more than 4GB of RAM, frankly. 8GB of RAM can definitely be warranted sometimes, I'm not saying it's like an i7 where it's totally unwarranted for the common gamer. But... you can easily order 4GB more, and gaming+streaming+multiple internettabs+internet+monitoring programs aren't going to get to 4GB limit. I never mentioned spending $300+ for a GPU. And your reasoning is beyond terrible. You don't buy ancient components because you play games that are old. The point was that you're not likely to see theses cards in the retail channel anymore so why recommend them? If you expect people to buy used, why are we talking about $200 CPUs when 2500k's can be found for $150? Even if you somehow find this ancient shit brand new, you are going to pay like $140 for a GTX 460, why pay for ancient shit that uses more power and does not support more than two monitors when a GTX 650 Ti is all around better for the same price? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130838 I mentioned that speedstep works by decreasing the multiplier... I don't know how you misread that. There is no FSB anymore, stop using the term FSB. You can base clock overclock with Sandybridge and Ivybridge, it's just very limited... Gaming+streaming+browsing can easily hit 4gb. You must be joking if you think the $10 saved on 4gb of memory is going to get a better monitor. Buying single 4gb kits is likely going to end up being more expensive than just buying a 2x4gb kit. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
And your reasoning is beyond terrible. You don't buy ancient components because you play games that are old. The point was that you're not likely to see theses cards in the retail channel anymore so why recommend them? If you expect people to buy used, why are we talking about $200 CPUs when 2500k's can be found for $150? I moreso meant at that price point range, than those actual models. These cards are still sold at many places, newegg doesnt list most phenom ii's anymore either. wouldnt say its because it's outdated. I wasn't talking about used. but yea a used 2500k or a 2500k from microcenter and that's a great deal. it's not even necessary for gaming though, go for an even cheaper used i3 or pentium. or not, whatever, but an i7 to play starcraft? I mentioned that speedstep works by decreasing the multiplier... I don't know how you misread that. There is no FSB anymore, stop using the term FSB. You can base clock overclock with Sandybridge and Ivybridge, it's just very limited... right, but does it work when you INCREASE the multiplier, which is what im talking about. I have no idea where you get that I am talking about downclocking. Gaming+streaming+browsing can easily hit 4gb. I'd say easily is a huge overexaggeration, and you won't for starcraft 2. maybe with newer games, but that's a maybe. 'easily' is not a correct characterization for that. Regardless, 16gb is wayyy over what you'd hit. Go for 6 or 8 if you really want to be crazy. this is about gaming builds, not folding or professional encoding. You must be joking if you think the $10 saved on 4gb of memory is going to get a better monitor. Buying single 4gb kits is likely going to end up being more expensive than just buying a 2x4gb kit. $10 = overnight shipping. ezpz. The guy can save a lot more than $10 by shaving off some unnecessary expenditures. He posted $140 for RAM. the $30 RAM you were referring to would be a lot more than $10 saved. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231571 Come on. you gotta agree that $140 on RAM is a little extreme. the guy already has an i7 system too, i dont know how much he can really upgrade for starcraft 2 performance :X | ||
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Minzy
Australia387 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On November 04 2012 13:14 Belial88 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + And your reasoning is beyond terrible. You don't buy ancient components because you play games that are old. The point was that you're not likely to see theses cards in the retail channel anymore so why recommend them? If you expect people to buy used, why are we talking about $200 CPUs when 2500k's can be found for $150? I moreso meant at that price point range, than those actual models. These cards are still sold at many places, newegg doesnt list most phenom ii's anymore either. wouldnt say its because it's outdated. I wasn't talking about used. but yea a used 2500k or a 2500k from microcenter and that's a great deal. it's not even necessary for gaming though, go for an even cheaper used i3 or pentium. or not, whatever, but an i7 to play starcraft? No, these cards aren't sold at many places. If you want to prove me wrong than provide links to reasonably priced BINB 4850s and 460s that is not from ebay. + Show Spoiler + I mentioned that speedstep works by decreasing the multiplier... I don't know how you misread that. There is no FSB anymore, stop using the term FSB. You can base clock overclock with Sandybridge and Ivybridge, it's just very limited... right, but does it work when you INCREASE the multiplier, which is what im talking about. I have no idea where you get that I am talking about downclocking. Obviously it works. If it didn't work, turbo would not exist and Intel's processors wouldn't be as efficient as they are. + Show Spoiler + Gaming+streaming+browsing can easily hit 4gb. I'd say easily is a huge overexaggeration, and you won't for starcraft 2. maybe with newer games, but that's a maybe. 'easily' is not a correct characterization for that. Regardless, 16gb is wayyy over what you'd hit. Go for 6 or 8 if you really want to be crazy. this is about gaming builds, not folding or professional encoding. You must be joking if you think the $10 saved on 4gb of memory is going to get a better monitor. Buying single 4gb kits is likely going to end up being more expensive than just buying a 2x4gb kit. $10 = overnight shipping. ezpz. The guy can save a lot more than $10 by shaving off some unnecessary expenditures. He posted $140 for RAM. the $30 RAM you were referring to would be a lot more than $10 saved. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231571 Come on. you gotta agree that $140 on RAM is a little extreme. the guy already has an i7 system too, i dont know how much he can really upgrade for starcraft 2 performance :X We're talking about 4gb vs 8gb, not his stupid choice of 2133MHz memory. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
We're talking about 4gb vs 8gb, not his stupid choice of 2133MHz memory. i dont really care if he goes 4gb vs 8gb. id recommend 4gb, but he's not going to listen to that (can't he just look at the max ram ever uses by using a program like hwinfo and seeing if it ever goes above 4gb?) so whatever. I was saying with the money he saves by not buying $140 ram, he can get a better monitor. $10 was kind of an exaggeration, but even with $10 you can get an upgrade on things. I dont know why you would blow off $10, maybe it's not a huge step up when it comes to monitors but the point was that it's $10 that is better put elsewhere (more like $90 better put elsewhere) and $10 that actually could go somewhere else and be noticeable (msi vs sparkle gpu, perhaps, asus vs msi mobo, etc). i mean... $10 will always be a step up in pc parts. $10 up on a cpu is .1ghz, $10 up on a gpu is a better brand, stock factory clock, hsf, it's tigher/faster ram, its a larger/faster hdd, its the exact same psu but rated 70w higher. No, these cards aren't sold at many places. If you want to prove me wrong than provide links to reasonably priced BINB 4850s and 460s that is not from ebay. theres nothing to argue about gpus. My point was cards within the range of $80-200, or similarly performing cards as the gtx460, as outdated as it may be. the gtx460 is still a great card, despite it's age. I dont know what card is a better value at $100. Frys still carries them. I could care less if you go for the gtx460 or something more modern, but something that performs simliar to a 460 is a good card for the build. I think most people know what a 460 is and how well it performs, that's why I mentioned it. i know you think i'm 'terrible' but i dont see any argument here and i know your very knowledgeable on this stuff. i just dont think you need to spend the world for such an outdated game. i got an athlon ii system, i'm streaming 720p on ultra graphics with a stream that looks better than most peoples. its hardly crysis. | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
8GB of memory is ~$40. No reason not to get it these days. The GTX460 appears to be $150 at Frys. The GTX650 is less than $100 on Amazon. Which is Skyr's point. The modern hardware is literally cheaper and better in every way than the GTX460. There is no reason to even contemplate buying it anymore. | ||
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aBstractx
United States287 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On November 04 2012 14:45 Belial88 wrote: Turbo boost is to 'overclock' the cpu, not to underclock it CoolnQuiet/PowerNow!/C1E are amd features that, when the cpu is not on high load, undervolts and underclocks the cpu. i think athlon ii/phenom ii have around 3-5 power states generally. If you overclock by increasing the multiplier, like on black edition, this feature won't work anymore, so you just have a cpu running at 4ghz all the time. of course, you are supposed to turn off these features when finding your oc, but you turn them back on after you figure it out. i dont really care if he goes 4gb vs 8gb. id recommend 4gb, but he's not going to listen to that (can't he just look at the max ram ever uses by using a program like hwinfo and seeing if it ever goes above 4gb?) so whatever. I was saying with the money he saves by not buying $140 ram, he can get a better monitor. $10 was kind of an exaggeration, but even with $10 you can get an upgrade on things. I dont know why you would blow off $10, maybe it's not a huge step up when it comes to monitors but the point was that it's $10 that is better put elsewhere (more like $90 better put elsewhere) and $10 that actually could go somewhere else and be noticeable (msi vs sparkle gpu, perhaps, asus vs msi mobo, etc). i mean... $10 will always be a step up in pc parts. $10 up on a cpu is .1ghz, $10 up on a gpu is a better brand, stock factory clock, hsf, it's tigher/faster ram, its a larger/faster hdd, its the exact same psu but rated 70w higher. theres nothing to argue about gpus. My point was cards within the range of $80-200, or similarly performing cards as the gtx460, as outdated as it may be. the gtx460 is still a great card, despite it's age. I dont know what card is a better value at $100. Frys still carries them. I could care less if you go for the gtx460 or something more modern, but something that performs simliar to a 460 is a good card for the build. I think most people know what a 460 is and how well it performs, that's why I mentioned it. i know you think i'm 'terrible' but i dont see any argument here and i know your very knowledgeable on this stuff. i just dont think you need to spend the world for such an outdated game. i got an athlon ii system, i'm streaming 720p on ultra graphics with a stream that looks better than most peoples. its hardly crysis. Turbo boost does underclock when it's not in use ;S Rather just recommend 8gb at the difference is like 15 dollars and I even hit 4gb sometimes as I like having a lot of stuff open at all times. Also 3.8/8 is smoother than 3.8/4 For the 10$ in that situation you just add to the budget, you don't skimp on essential parts. For CPUs you generally want the specific CPU for your build anyway and won't upgrade it if you happen to have 10$ extra because you already picked the best part for price-performance. Don't recommend old cards please, it'll actually end up being cheaper in the long run if you just get a bit costier card with less power consumption. For example I have 4850 and its hot, noisy, and power hungry. GTX 460 is pretty golden of course but still outclassed by the new generation. Btw you can't do shit like that on Athlon II don't lie. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
The GTX460 appears to be $150 at Frys. The GTX650 is less than $100 on Amazon. Which is Skyr's point. The modern hardware is literally cheaper and better in every way than the GTX460. There is no reason to even contemplate buying it anymore. yea i dont disagree. By all means, ORook should go for a 650. Although his current 570 is a much better gpu. He should just keep his current gpu. really he should just keep his current system and get a cheap pentium or athlon build if he needs a guest computer that can play modern games at a half decent level for $200. Turbo boost does underclock when it's not in use ;S oh okay well i looked it up and couldnt find much on that. thanks. Btw you can't do shit like that on Athlon II don't lie. Check out my stream bro. I linked the vods. Here's a vod of athlon ii x4 3.4ghz, 4gb ram, ultra graphics, 1360x768 resolution, streaming 720p@45fps. http://www.twitch.tv/belialtester88/b/337906238 the sound quality in that particular vod is good, it just sounds funny because i set my mic in front of my speakers. the quality looks much better than most streams. Theoretically at my settings I could actually stream at 125FPS (1000 / 8ms =125) but that'd lower the image quality, so I'd need higher upload for that. | ||
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suppeople
18 Posts
On November 04 2012 05:50 TuckFexas wrote: Hey, i need a computer that runs skyrim/minecraft/sc2/diablo3/dayz on low-medium settings (if you can get it higher on my budget then please do so) for around 500$ at 1600x900 resolution. I need a windows 7 copy What is your budget? 400-600$ What is your resolution? 1600x900 What are you using it for? gaming thanks in advance Well seeign as you budget is 600 max, MIRCOCENTER IS YOUR BEST FRIEND FOREVER....well only for cpus, sometimes they have cpu/montherboard deals (50 bucks off combo) (sometimes rebates for graphics card too, jsut check their ad) Now I'm assuming you don't want to overclock this computer nor do you have the need too so I would recommend gettign the i5 3450 at microcenter its only $140! compared to i5 2500k which is 150 etcetc pretty good cpu for a budget computer. For the motherboard I like using gigabtye/asus and this board for $90 is pretty good entry level ASUS P8B75-V LGA 1155 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131835 Ram i suggest 1600mhz, provides a small boost to sc2 performance for a cheap price, 8gb is nice and cheap nowdays about 40 bucks (black friday is coming up it'll be around 20-30 then) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131835 Now for flawless medium, you need a decent graphics card its between a ati 7770 vs a gtx 650 so using this http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/536?vs=681 i suggest getting the ati 7770, pretty much beats the 650 except in sc2 (haha...but the settigns is in ultra so its ok) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102967&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-NA-_-NA ~130 I use Antec cases a lot so yea http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042#top it'll be around 50~80 bucks for a case, your choice power supply 450 is good enough http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026 ~40 all that with tax...lets assume 10% about 550, but wait you need a oem builder...hope you dont hate windows 8...its only like 80 for the pro verison... | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On November 04 2012 16:32 suppeople wrote: Well seeign as you budget is 600 max, MIRCOCENTER IS YOUR BEST FRIEND FOREVER....well only for cpus, sometimes they have cpu/montherboard deals (50 bucks off combo) (sometimes rebates for graphics card too, jsut check their ad) Now I'm assuming you don't want to overclock this computer nor do you have the need too so I would recommend gettign the i5 3450 at microcenter its only $140! compared to i5 2500k which is 150 etcetc pretty good cpu for a budget computer. For the motherboard I like using gigabtye/asus and this board for $90 is pretty good entry level ASUS P8B75-V LGA 1155 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131835 Ram i suggest 1600mhz, provides a small boost to sc2 performance for a cheap price, 8gb is nice and cheap nowdays about 40 bucks (black friday is coming up it'll be around 20-30 then) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131835 Now for flawless medium, you need a decent graphics card its between a ati 7770 vs a gtx 650 so using this http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/536?vs=681 i suggest getting the ati 7770, pretty much beats the 650 except in sc2 (haha...but the settigns is in ultra so its ok) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102967&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-NA-_-NA ~130 I use Antec cases a lot so yea http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042#top it'll be around 50~80 bucks for a case, your choice power supply 450 is good enough http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026 ~40 all that with tax...lets assume 10% about 550, but wait you need a oem builder...hope you dont hate windows 8...its only like 80 for the pro verison... Well a 90$ B75 motherboard is probably overkill for a little brother. I'd get a ~55$ B75 or 65$ H77 (sales on newegg) from Asrock/Gigabyte/MSI. i5 3450 is fine imo. Also, keep in mind GTX 650 is hitting 95$ right now, so it's more inline with the 7750. 7770 is more comparable to the 650 Ti, which hits 10$ over the normal 7770 pricing I think. (Lowest I saw was 139.99? Could be wrong.) I -think- (not sure) that the 650 Ti is slightly better than the 7770. But just check Anandtech. Compare 650 with 7750 and 650 Ti with 7770. Funny note: The EVGA GTX 650 is cheaper than some GT 640's right now  | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
Check out my stream bro. I linked the vods. Here's a vod of athlon ii x4 3.4ghz, 4gb ram, ultra graphics, 1360x768 resolution, streaming 720p@45fps. Yeah no one has a 1366x768 display on their desktop anymore. Non-native resolutions typically look like ass on anything that doesn't have insanely tight pixel pitches. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
On November 04 2012 17:38 Womwomwom wrote: Yeah no one has a 1366x768 display on their desktop anymore. Non-native resolutions typically look like ass on anything that doesn't have insanely tight pixel pitches. 1280x720 and 1360x768 are both 16 : 9 My lcd-monitor is a television first, that's why it has an odd native resolution. The stream is resized to 1280x720. Now I don't know what my stream looks like on a 720 monitor, but I don't think there'd be an issue. I don't think it'd be an issue either to stream at 1360x768 since that's a higher resolution being downsized, which doesn't hurt quality, but it wouldn't be worth the performance hit for no gain to most people. I've talked to the creators of FFsplit, OBS, and to a couple admins at Xsplit, and all of them have recommended that I stream in 720, and that there won't be any problem doing that given my 1360x768 resolution. I actually originally streamed at 1158 x 654 (a downsize of 1360x768 of sorts) but they all said my system was powerful enough to stream 720. And that's not really the issue here, the issue is whether or not an athlon ii system can stream. To which, I prove, it can. edit: not that i really care to debate it, i dont know much about 650s, but a quick search seems to show that the 460>650 in performance and in price. | ||
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suppeople
18 Posts
On November 04 2012 17:19 Alryk wrote: Well a 90$ B75 motherboard is probably overkill for a little brother. I'd get a ~55$ B75 or 65$ H77 (sales on newegg) from Asrock/Gigabyte/MSI. i5 3450 is fine imo. Also, keep in mind GTX 650 is hitting 95$ right now, so it's more inline with the 7750. 7770 is more comparable to the 650 Ti, which hits 10$ over the normal 7770 pricing I think. (Lowest I saw was 139.99? Could be wrong.) I -think- (not sure) that the 650 Ti is slightly better than the 7770. But just check Anandtech. Compare 650 with 7750 and 650 Ti with 7770. Funny note: The EVGA GTX 650 is cheaper than some GT 640's right now I c, not keeping track of sales haha...just using what comes to mind on that note then gtx 650 is a much better and thats true on the motherboard, no need for a sub 100$ one | ||
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