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On September 26 2012 14:32 Artline wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 14:10 HansK wrote:On September 26 2012 12:10 skyR wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Maybe you should answer the questions so we can help you with a non shitty build?
3570k is used for overclocking but a H61 cannot overclock.. If you want to overclock than you need a Z77 board.
You don't need a 700w unit to power a single GPU. A Rosewill Capstone 450 is significantly better for the same price.
If you're not overclocking than get a non-K suffix processor. And you need a H77 or B75 board to support Ivybridge, unless you already have a Sandybridge to flash the H61 BIOS.
GTX 480 is old but is slightly faster than a 7850. If you want to sacrifice everything else for a measly amount of performance that won't help Starcraft II.. okay. I thought I answered most questions asked but I will lay them out in the format provided. What is your budget? : $700 with my monitor, which is something like $140 for the one I want. What is your resolution?: 1920x1080 res. for viewing, lower res for streaming of course. What are you using it for? I'm wanting to be able to run SC2 on ultra in the above resolution with out going below 60 FPS in maxed out 1v1 battles. I will want it to stream on medium in 720P at lower res assuming I have good internet. What is your upgrade cycle?: 2-3 years When do you plan on building it?: This month Do you plan on overclocking?: No Do you need an Operating System?: No Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?: no Where are you buying your parts from?: Newegg set up i came up with. I would gladly be willing to hear any suggestions in terms of the video card/processor that will be better, and still allow me to keep my goals listed above. I also was under the impression 450W will not be enough but I currently have a 450W rosewill in my current comp. GPU: GeForce GTX 480 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130759processor: i5 3570k - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504motherboard: ASRock H61M-DGS LGA 1155 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157315PSU: RAIDMAX 730w: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152036HDD: I have a SSD + 1 TB 7200 RPM hd for the hard drives. RAM: 8gb corsair ram. (already have) If you're not overclocking you don't need a K processor. You should get a H77 (ivy) motherboard rather than a H61 (sandy). Besides, I don't think H61 is a good choice if you have a SSD. Keep your powersupply (it's sufficient even for 480) and don't get the new one. If you're only playing sc2 you don't need GTX480 because sc2's graphics requirements aren't that high anyway. Also that card is two generations old. If you want 60+ fps in maxed battles I think it's good to overlock your processor and get a Z77 motherboard instead(your selected motherboard can't overclock CPUs). If you are overclocking you will need a CPU cooler. But this route will obviously cost more.
Couple of basic things first. #1, make sure to note that not all power brands are the same. Some are terrible, some are good, and you can't really tell by looking at the advertised specs (raidmax = bad, for instance). #2, there's no reason to lower resolution for producing your stream. Why is this so, even though it's counter-intuitive? Lowering resolution reduces demand on the GPU's processing power (less pixels to push = easier for video cards), but streaming adds only CPU demand to your system. GPU power contributes exactly zero to the quality of your stream (given you can run the game at the settings you want, of course). So unless you really want to run SC2 in a window smaller than your screen while you stream, there's no (performance) reason to reduce resolution. #3, SC2 can be run on a GPU drawn on a paper napkin. It requires very little GPU power. Streaming requires lots of CPU power. This means SC2 streamers have different hardware demands that most gamers. SC2 streamers need CPU power and who cares about GPU. People who play games other than SC2 are generally the other way around: they need GPU power and who cares about CPU. This means that for the build below the GPU is significantly less powerful than what one would want to play non-SC2 games at high graphics settings. If that's not what you wanted, well you should have been more specific in response to "What are you using it for?" #4 I selected parts from both us.ncix.com & newegg. Both are reliable companies, and ncix often has sales on certain items. #5, make sure to cleanly install windows without bringing over any old files (for instance, copy SSD files to hard drive, wipe SSD, install windows on SSD as boot drive for new computer. You'd be surprised the number of people who think they can use the same windows installation on a new motherboard with no problems.
I ended up ignoring your desire to not overclock, for a couple of reasons: the i5-3570k was on sale for only like $5 over the higher end non-K versions, you can get a cheap z75 board that's not much more expensive than a B75 (non-overclocking) motherboard, and when you add a cheap after-market cooler, that's only like $40-$50 for the ability to overclock, which could actually be useful for you. Basically if you find you get minor slowdowns when playing SC2 while you stream, an overclock might help solve that. (Note: overclocking an i5 will provide significantly more benefit than an i7 would for streaming.) So here you go:
Intel i5-3570k - $216
Asrock Z75 mobo - $85
(optional, for overclocking) Coolermaster 212 Evo heatsink - $28
PSU (if necessary. If your Rosewill 450w is a 'Stallion' - line PSU, you should replace. If it's a 'Capstone' or 'Green', you can keep it. If other, ask the good experts here) Antec Neo Eco 450c - $34
Monitor budget (make sure to check out the Team Liquid Monitor Thread) - $140
GPU (less powerful, though plenty for SC2, allows for a higher end monitor like a Dell u2312hm): 6850 - $140-$20 MIR
GPU (more powerful, fits in the budget w/lesser monitor): 7850 - $188-$10 MIR
Total w/6850: $503 before rebate
Total w/7850: $551 before rebate
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=70541&vpn=BX80637I53570K&manufacture=Intel&promoid=1265
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157304
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=64385&vpn=RR-212E-20PK-R2&manufacture=COOLERMASTER&promoid=1375
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60491&vpn=NEO-ECO450C&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1381
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150515
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121623
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No one wants to tackle my previous question about HD video playback? Did I ask something wrong? Let me ask this instead:
I'd like to build a PC that will have one purpose only: to watch HD video on my living room PC. I want to be able to comfortably stream the highest quality feeds from sites like Twitch.tv as well as watching Blueray movies. This box will not be for gaming, nor backing up movies, nor video editing. Just watching. Can someone suggest a build that will accomplish this comfortably without being overkill?
(I'm familiar with the basics of PC hardware and doing some upgrades but this will be my first time building from scratch.)
Here's my details:
What is your budget?
Ideally <$400, more likely <$500, not including the Blue-ray player, which I will add later. If that is unreasonable, just say so. My budget can grow given time to save up.
What is your resolution?
1080p Television. Don't really need another monitor.
What are you using it for?
Solely for watching video, mostly HD from the Internet, will add a blue-ray player later.
What is your upgrade cycle?
Negotiable. 4-5 years, ideally. Willing to go less if cost makes sense.
When do you plan on building it?
ASAP, unless my budget is unreasonable.
Do you plan on overclocking?
No.
Do you need an Operating System?
Yes
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No
Where are you buying your parts from?
Microcenter is best and in driving distance. Newegg is second choice.
Other requirements:
I need wireless networking
Doesn't have to be near silent, but I don't want a jet engine, either.
Can anyone please make an informed suggestion?
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On September 26 2012 16:50 MisterFred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 14:32 Artline wrote:On September 26 2012 14:10 HansK wrote:On September 26 2012 12:10 skyR wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Maybe you should answer the questions so we can help you with a non shitty build?
3570k is used for overclocking but a H61 cannot overclock.. If you want to overclock than you need a Z77 board.
You don't need a 700w unit to power a single GPU. A Rosewill Capstone 450 is significantly better for the same price.
If you're not overclocking than get a non-K suffix processor. And you need a H77 or B75 board to support Ivybridge, unless you already have a Sandybridge to flash the H61 BIOS.
GTX 480 is old but is slightly faster than a 7850. If you want to sacrifice everything else for a measly amount of performance that won't help Starcraft II.. okay. I thought I answered most questions asked but I will lay them out in the format provided. What is your budget? : $700 with my monitor, which is something like $140 for the one I want. What is your resolution?: 1920x1080 res. for viewing, lower res for streaming of course. What are you using it for? I'm wanting to be able to run SC2 on ultra in the above resolution with out going below 60 FPS in maxed out 1v1 battles. I will want it to stream on medium in 720P at lower res assuming I have good internet. What is your upgrade cycle?: 2-3 years When do you plan on building it?: This month Do you plan on overclocking?: No Do you need an Operating System?: No Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?: no Where are you buying your parts from?: Newegg set up i came up with. I would gladly be willing to hear any suggestions in terms of the video card/processor that will be better, and still allow me to keep my goals listed above. I also was under the impression 450W will not be enough but I currently have a 450W rosewill in my current comp. GPU: GeForce GTX 480 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130759processor: i5 3570k - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504motherboard: ASRock H61M-DGS LGA 1155 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157315PSU: RAIDMAX 730w: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152036HDD: I have a SSD + 1 TB 7200 RPM hd for the hard drives. RAM: 8gb corsair ram. (already have) If you're not overclocking you don't need a K processor. You should get a H77 (ivy) motherboard rather than a H61 (sandy). Besides, I don't think H61 is a good choice if you have a SSD. Keep your powersupply (it's sufficient even for 480) and don't get the new one. If you're only playing sc2 you don't need GTX480 because sc2's graphics requirements aren't that high anyway. Also that card is two generations old. If you want 60+ fps in maxed battles I think it's good to overlock your processor and get a Z77 motherboard instead(your selected motherboard can't overclock CPUs). If you are overclocking you will need a CPU cooler. But this route will obviously cost more. Couple of basic things first. #1, make sure to note that not all power brands are the same. Some are terrible, some are good, and you can't really tell by looking at the advertised specs (raidmax = bad, for instance). #2, there's no reason to lower resolution for producing your stream. Why is this so, even though it's counter-intuitive? Lowering resolution reduces demand on the GPU's processing power (less pixels to push = easier for video cards), but streaming adds only CPU demand to your system. GPU power contributes exactly zero to the quality of your stream (given you can run the game at the settings you want, of course). So unless you really want to run SC2 in a window smaller than your screen while you stream, there's no (performance) reason to reduce resolution. #3, SC2 can be run on a GPU drawn on a paper napkin. It requires very little GPU power. Streaming requires lots of CPU power. This means SC2 streamers have different hardware demands that most gamers. SC2 streamers need CPU power and who cares about GPU. People who play games other than SC2 are generally the other way around: they need GPU power and who cares about CPU. This means that for the build below the GPU is significantly less powerful than what one would want to play non-SC2 games at high graphics settings. If that's not what you wanted, well you should have been more specific in response to "What are you using it for?" #4 I selected parts from both us.ncix.com & newegg. Both are reliable companies, and ncix often has sales on certain items. #5, make sure to cleanly install windows without bringing over any old files (for instance, copy SSD files to hard drive, wipe SSD, install windows on SSD as boot drive for new computer. You'd be surprised the number of people who think they can use the same windows installation on a new motherboard with no problems. I ended up ignoring your desire to not overclock, for a couple of reasons: the i5-3570k was on sale for only like $5 over the higher end non-K versions, you can get a cheap z75 board that's not much more expensive than a B75 (non-overclocking) motherboard, and when you add a cheap after-market cooler, that's only like $40-$50 for the ability to overclock, which could actually be useful for you. Basically if you find you get minor slowdowns when playing SC2 while you stream, an overclock might help solve that. (Note: overclocking an i5 will provide significantly more benefit than an i7 would for streaming.) So here you go: Intel i5-3570k - $216 Asrock Z75 mobo - $85 (optional, for overclocking) Coolermaster 212 Evo heatsink - $28 PSU (if necessary. If your Rosewill 450w is a 'Stallion' - line PSU, you should replace. If it's a 'Capstone' or 'Green', you can keep it. If other, ask the good experts here) Antec Neo Eco 450c - $34 Monitor budget (make sure to check out the Team Liquid Monitor Thread) - $140 GPU (less powerful, though plenty for SC2, allows for a higher end monitor like a Dell u2312hm): 6850 - $140-$20 MIR GPU (more powerful, fits in the budget w/lesser monitor): 7850 - $188-$10 MIR Total w/6850: $503 before rebate Total w/7850: $551 before rebate http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=70541&vpn=BX80637I53570K&manufacture=Intel&promoid=1265http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157304http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=64385&vpn=RR-212E-20PK-R2&manufacture=COOLERMASTER&promoid=1375http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60491&vpn=NEO-ECO450C&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1381http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150515http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121623+ Show Spoiler +
Thanks for the reply and every thing there is looking good. I think I'll be going with that MB/cpu set up - quick question on the video card, do I really have to not worry about using those video cards for sc2 on ultra? Seems crazy but if so much better for me 
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On September 26 2012 23:37 KDF wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
No one wants to tackle my previous question about HD video playback? Did I ask something wrong? Let me ask this instead:
I'd like to build a PC that will have one purpose only: to watch HD video on my living room PC. I want to be able to comfortably stream the highest quality feeds from sites like Twitch.tv as well as watching Blueray movies. This box will not be for gaming, nor backing up movies, nor video editing. Just watching. Can someone suggest a build that will accomplish this comfortably without being overkill?
(I'm familiar with the basics of PC hardware and doing some upgrades but this will be my first time building from scratch.)
Here's my details:
What is your budget?
Ideally <$400, more likely <$500, not including the Blue-ray player, which I will add later. If that is unreasonable, just say so. My budget can grow given time to save up.
What is your resolution?
1080p Television. Don't really need another monitor.
What are you using it for?
Solely for watching video, mostly HD from the Internet, will add a blue-ray player later.
What is your upgrade cycle?
Negotiable. 4-5 years, ideally. Willing to go less if cost makes sense.
When do you plan on building it?
ASAP, unless my budget is unreasonable.
Do you plan on overclocking?
No.
Do you need an Operating System?
Yes
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No
Where are you buying your parts from?
Microcenter is best and in driving distance. Newegg is second choice.
Other requirements:
I need wireless networking
Doesn't have to be near silent, but I don't want a jet engine, either.
Can anyone please make an informed suggestion?
Here (overbuilt but meh it will last):
i3-3225 from Microcenter $130
Has HD4000, which is enough to play games with, which means it is easily more gpu power than your needs.
ASRock H77M $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157303
8GB DDR3-1600 $38.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233186
OCZ Agility4 64GB SSD $54.99 AMIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227810
SeaSonic SS-300ET $39.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151086
is gray but meh you won't see it so its fine.
Fractal Core 1000 mATX Mini Tower $34.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352009
Windows 7 64-bit $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986
DVD Burner $17.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136247
Appearently I'm not skilled enough to know where the wireless cards are on newegg.
Total: $486.92 + wireless card
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hey guys i was just wondering what the difference between amd and intel proccesors. Thanks.
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The difference between a speedling and a zergling
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On September 27 2012 04:10 PoweredbyYogurt wrote:
wut
Amd phenom II's are decent if you wanna save money and get a decent cpu, only the 6 core edition is worth it, i went with this processor and trust me it's way more worth it if you save up and wait till you can afford a intel processor... Just don't buy an fx or a bulldozer, its like picking an xbox over a 360 for the same price
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On September 27 2012 00:14 HansK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 16:50 MisterFred wrote:On September 26 2012 14:32 Artline wrote:On September 26 2012 14:10 HansK wrote:On September 26 2012 12:10 skyR wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Maybe you should answer the questions so we can help you with a non shitty build?
3570k is used for overclocking but a H61 cannot overclock.. If you want to overclock than you need a Z77 board.
You don't need a 700w unit to power a single GPU. A Rosewill Capstone 450 is significantly better for the same price.
If you're not overclocking than get a non-K suffix processor. And you need a H77 or B75 board to support Ivybridge, unless you already have a Sandybridge to flash the H61 BIOS.
GTX 480 is old but is slightly faster than a 7850. If you want to sacrifice everything else for a measly amount of performance that won't help Starcraft II.. okay. I thought I answered most questions asked but I will lay them out in the format provided. What is your budget? : $700 with my monitor, which is something like $140 for the one I want. What is your resolution?: 1920x1080 res. for viewing, lower res for streaming of course. What are you using it for? I'm wanting to be able to run SC2 on ultra in the above resolution with out going below 60 FPS in maxed out 1v1 battles. I will want it to stream on medium in 720P at lower res assuming I have good internet. What is your upgrade cycle?: 2-3 years When do you plan on building it?: This month Do you plan on overclocking?: No Do you need an Operating System?: No Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?: no Where are you buying your parts from?: Newegg set up i came up with. I would gladly be willing to hear any suggestions in terms of the video card/processor that will be better, and still allow me to keep my goals listed above. I also was under the impression 450W will not be enough but I currently have a 450W rosewill in my current comp. GPU: GeForce GTX 480 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130759processor: i5 3570k - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504motherboard: ASRock H61M-DGS LGA 1155 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157315PSU: RAIDMAX 730w: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152036HDD: I have a SSD + 1 TB 7200 RPM hd for the hard drives. RAM: 8gb corsair ram. (already have) If you're not overclocking you don't need a K processor. You should get a H77 (ivy) motherboard rather than a H61 (sandy). Besides, I don't think H61 is a good choice if you have a SSD. Keep your powersupply (it's sufficient even for 480) and don't get the new one. If you're only playing sc2 you don't need GTX480 because sc2's graphics requirements aren't that high anyway. Also that card is two generations old. If you want 60+ fps in maxed battles I think it's good to overlock your processor and get a Z77 motherboard instead(your selected motherboard can't overclock CPUs). If you are overclocking you will need a CPU cooler. But this route will obviously cost more. Couple of basic things first. #1, make sure to note that not all power brands are the same. Some are terrible, some are good, and you can't really tell by looking at the advertised specs (raidmax = bad, for instance). #2, there's no reason to lower resolution for producing your stream. Why is this so, even though it's counter-intuitive? Lowering resolution reduces demand on the GPU's processing power (less pixels to push = easier for video cards), but streaming adds only CPU demand to your system. GPU power contributes exactly zero to the quality of your stream (given you can run the game at the settings you want, of course). So unless you really want to run SC2 in a window smaller than your screen while you stream, there's no (performance) reason to reduce resolution. #3, SC2 can be run on a GPU drawn on a paper napkin. It requires very little GPU power. Streaming requires lots of CPU power. This means SC2 streamers have different hardware demands that most gamers. SC2 streamers need CPU power and who cares about GPU. People who play games other than SC2 are generally the other way around: they need GPU power and who cares about CPU. This means that for the build below the GPU is significantly less powerful than what one would want to play non-SC2 games at high graphics settings. If that's not what you wanted, well you should have been more specific in response to "What are you using it for?" #4 I selected parts from both us.ncix.com & newegg. Both are reliable companies, and ncix often has sales on certain items. #5, make sure to cleanly install windows without bringing over any old files (for instance, copy SSD files to hard drive, wipe SSD, install windows on SSD as boot drive for new computer. You'd be surprised the number of people who think they can use the same windows installation on a new motherboard with no problems. I ended up ignoring your desire to not overclock, for a couple of reasons: the i5-3570k was on sale for only like $5 over the higher end non-K versions, you can get a cheap z75 board that's not much more expensive than a B75 (non-overclocking) motherboard, and when you add a cheap after-market cooler, that's only like $40-$50 for the ability to overclock, which could actually be useful for you. Basically if you find you get minor slowdowns when playing SC2 while you stream, an overclock might help solve that. (Note: overclocking an i5 will provide significantly more benefit than an i7 would for streaming.) So here you go: Intel i5-3570k - $216 Asrock Z75 mobo - $85 (optional, for overclocking) Coolermaster 212 Evo heatsink - $28 PSU (if necessary. If your Rosewill 450w is a 'Stallion' - line PSU, you should replace. If it's a 'Capstone' or 'Green', you can keep it. If other, ask the good experts here) Antec Neo Eco 450c - $34 Monitor budget (make sure to check out the Team Liquid Monitor Thread) - $140 GPU (less powerful, though plenty for SC2, allows for a higher end monitor like a Dell u2312hm): 6850 - $140-$20 MIR GPU (more powerful, fits in the budget w/lesser monitor): 7850 - $188-$10 MIR Total w/6850: $503 before rebate Total w/7850: $551 before rebate http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=70541&vpn=BX80637I53570K&manufacture=Intel&promoid=1265http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157304http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=64385&vpn=RR-212E-20PK-R2&manufacture=COOLERMASTER&promoid=1375http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60491&vpn=NEO-ECO450C&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1381http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150515http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121623+ Show Spoiler + Thanks for the reply and every thing there is looking good. I think I'll be going with that MB/cpu set up - quick question on the video card, do I really have to not worry about using those video cards for sc2 on ultra? Seems crazy but if so much better for me
A 6850 will run sc2 at ultra fine. It will run most other games perfectly fine with a mix of high/medium settings.
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On September 27 2012 01:40 iTzSnypah wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 23:37 KDF wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
No one wants to tackle my previous question about HD video playback? Did I ask something wrong? Let me ask this instead:
I'd like to build a PC that will have one purpose only: to watch HD video on my living room PC. I want to be able to comfortably stream the highest quality feeds from sites like Twitch.tv as well as watching Blueray movies. This box will not be for gaming, nor backing up movies, nor video editing. Just watching. Can someone suggest a build that will accomplish this comfortably without being overkill?
(I'm familiar with the basics of PC hardware and doing some upgrades but this will be my first time building from scratch.)
Here's my details:
What is your budget?
Ideally <$400, more likely <$500, not including the Blue-ray player, which I will add later. If that is unreasonable, just say so. My budget can grow given time to save up.
What is your resolution?
1080p Television. Don't really need another monitor.
What are you using it for?
Solely for watching video, mostly HD from the Internet, will add a blue-ray player later.
What is your upgrade cycle?
Negotiable. 4-5 years, ideally. Willing to go less if cost makes sense.
When do you plan on building it?
ASAP, unless my budget is unreasonable.
Do you plan on overclocking?
No.
Do you need an Operating System?
Yes
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No
Where are you buying your parts from?
Microcenter is best and in driving distance. Newegg is second choice.
Other requirements:
I need wireless networking
Doesn't have to be near silent, but I don't want a jet engine, either.
Can anyone please make an informed suggestion?
Here (overbuilt but meh it will last): i3-3225 from Microcenter $130 Has HD4000, which is enough to play games with, which means it is easily more gpu power than your needs. ASRock H77M $69.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168131573038GB DDR3-1600 $38.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233186OCZ Agility4 64GB SSD $54.99 AMIR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227810SeaSonic SS-300ET $39.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151086is gray but meh you won't see it so its fine. Fractal Core 1000 mATX Mini Tower $34.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352009Windows 7 64-bit $99.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986DVD Burner $17.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136247Appearently I'm not skilled enough to know where the wireless cards are on newegg. Total: $486.92 + wireless card
Thanks so much!
A question - if you don't mind educating me: I notice that the MoBo has both a PCIe 3.0 slot and a PCIe 2.0 one, whereas Intel's specs for this chip say it supports PCIe 2.0. Does this mean that the 3.0 slot will be non-functional? Or will it run at 2.0 speed? I'm guessing the latter. Just wondering in case I ever need it.
And what does it mean when the Mobo spec says PCIe 2.0 x16: 1@4x? It's a x16 slot that only works at x4? Why would they do that? Is it only so that it can physically accept a second video card for crossfire?
Most importantly, I have an extra ASUS PCE-N13 wireless network adapter which uses PCIe x1. Can I use that in the PCIe 2.0x16 slot and expect it to work?
Thanks again, I really appreciate being set in the right direction.
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On September 27 2012 11:13 KDF wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 01:40 iTzSnypah wrote:On September 26 2012 23:37 KDF wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
No one wants to tackle my previous question about HD video playback? Did I ask something wrong? Let me ask this instead:
I'd like to build a PC that will have one purpose only: to watch HD video on my living room PC. I want to be able to comfortably stream the highest quality feeds from sites like Twitch.tv as well as watching Blueray movies. This box will not be for gaming, nor backing up movies, nor video editing. Just watching. Can someone suggest a build that will accomplish this comfortably without being overkill?
(I'm familiar with the basics of PC hardware and doing some upgrades but this will be my first time building from scratch.)
Here's my details:
What is your budget?
Ideally <$400, more likely <$500, not including the Blue-ray player, which I will add later. If that is unreasonable, just say so. My budget can grow given time to save up.
What is your resolution?
1080p Television. Don't really need another monitor.
What are you using it for?
Solely for watching video, mostly HD from the Internet, will add a blue-ray player later.
What is your upgrade cycle?
Negotiable. 4-5 years, ideally. Willing to go less if cost makes sense.
When do you plan on building it?
ASAP, unless my budget is unreasonable.
Do you plan on overclocking?
No.
Do you need an Operating System?
Yes
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No
Where are you buying your parts from?
Microcenter is best and in driving distance. Newegg is second choice.
Other requirements:
I need wireless networking
Doesn't have to be near silent, but I don't want a jet engine, either.
Can anyone please make an informed suggestion?
Here (overbuilt but meh it will last): i3-3225 from Microcenter $130 Has HD4000, which is enough to play games with, which means it is easily more gpu power than your needs. ASRock H77M $69.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168131573038GB DDR3-1600 $38.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233186OCZ Agility4 64GB SSD $54.99 AMIR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227810SeaSonic SS-300ET $39.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151086is gray but meh you won't see it so its fine. Fractal Core 1000 mATX Mini Tower $34.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352009Windows 7 64-bit $99.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986DVD Burner $17.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136247Appearently I'm not skilled enough to know where the wireless cards are on newegg. Total: $486.92 + wireless card Thanks so much! A question - if you don't mind educating me: I notice that the MoBo has both a PCIe 3.0 slot and a PCIe 2.0 one, whereas Intel's specs for this chip say it supports PCIe 2.0. Does this mean that the 3.0 slot will be non-functional? Or will it run at 2.0 speed? I'm guessing the latter. Just wondering in case I ever need it. And what does it mean when the Mobo spec says PCIe 2.0 x16: 1@4x? It's a x16 slot that only works at x4? Why would they do that? Is it only so that it can physically accept a second video card for crossfire? Most importantly, I have an extra ASUS PCE-N13 wireless network adapter which uses PCIe x1. Can I use that in the PCIe 2.0x16 slot and expect it to work? Thanks again, I really appreciate being set in the right direction.
1. It will run at 2.0 speed if pci 3.0 isn't supported.
2. It presumably has one x16 slot and one x4. This denotes maximum bandwidth available from the slot.
3. It can be used in any pci-e slot, it will just run at x1 speed. PCI-E is backwards compatible too, any pci-e card can run in a pci-e 1.0, 1.1, 2.0, 3.0 etc at any x rating.
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On September 27 2012 05:43 FlyingToilet wrote:Amd phenom II's are decent if you wanna save money and get a decent cpu, only the 6 core edition is worth it, i went with this processor and trust me it's way more worth it if you save up and wait till you can afford a intel processor... Just don't buy an fx or a bulldozer, its like picking an xbox over a 360 for the same price
The 6 core's actually not worth it at all, ...Even the 70 dollar last-generation G850 is better for most games than the 6core phenom, and you'll likely save the same amount over time with lower energy bills(and have better upgrade prospects)
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You guys think this will play SC2/Dayz/Minecraft/WOW efficiently?
Not looking to play on high settings, looking to spend about $400 and with a possibility to upgrade..
ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
COOLER MASTER Elite 430 RC-430-KWN1 Black Steel / Plastic Computer Case
Western Digital Caviar Blue WD3200AAKX 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
EVGA 01G-P3-1556-KR GeForce GTX 550 Ti (Fermi) FPB 1GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI
COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power Plus RS500-PCARD3-US 500W ATX12V v2.3 Power Supply
GIGABYTE GA-B75M-D3V LGA 1155 Intel B75 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i3-3220T Ivy Bridge 2.8GHz LGA 1155 35W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2500
Thanks!
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The 3220T is a low-power model, you should get a regular 3220, which will perform much better. CPUs will go into low-power mode automatically when there's nothing to do, so the low-power model would only really save energy when you're actually using the machine intensively, but at those moments you will definitely notice the performance difference.
Also, you don't need a 500W PSU. This whole setup can be powered by a 300W unit from a reputable brand with ease. Put the money saved into a CPU or GPU upgrade or keep it in your pocket. Or even better, use it to buy RAM, which is currently missing from your shopping list.
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EVGA 01G-P3-1556-KR GeForce GTX 550 Ti (Fermi) FPB 1GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI
Usually a very bad card for the price, unless it's on a massive special. Keep that in mind.
COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power Plus RS500-PCARD3-US 500W ATX12V v2.3 Power Supply
Crap unit. Choose a different one like antec earthwatts/neo eco/VP, silverstone strider, others which I'm not familiar with.
Intel Core i3-3220T Ivy Bridge 2.8GHz LGA 1155 35W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2500
Get the non-T version. T suffix means it's downclocked significantly for use in systems with a very low thermal profile.
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CPU Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor $189.99 @ Microcenter
CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler $23.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard $134.99 @ Amazon
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory $34.99 @ Newegg
Storage Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $69.99 @ NCIX US
Video Card MSI GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card $299.99 @ NCIX US
Case Cooler Master Storm Scout ATX Mid Tower Case $65.98 @ Amazon
Power Supply Antec TruePower New 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply $87.99 @ SuperBiiz
Optical Drive LG GH24NS90 DVD/CD Writer $17.99 @ Amazon
Is this a good build? What should I cut off/not worth the price?
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Hey guys looking to upgrade my GTX 460 with something better. My processor is an i5 2400 my budget is around 250$~
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On September 28 2012 08:24 9-BiT wrote:How much should I be expecting to pay for a build to stream sc2 at ultra and max fps? Internet is not a problem http://www.speedtest.net/result/2207015519.pngCan I pay 1k and do it? Thank you
Stream SC2 at ultra and max FPS? No. Max FPS for most monitors is 60, and no processor in the world can handle large army sizes onscreen in SC2 at 60fps let alone when streaming. Note that ultra is easy to do, the problem is AI & pathing calculations when hundreds of zerglings are streaming across creep. But that's not really your question.
What you mean to ask is can I build a credible streaming computer that won't make my SC2 feel slow while maxing SC2 graphics. The answer there is a qualified Yes. Assuming you already have monitor, keyboard, headphones, etc., the tower itself for a streaming computer can certainly be had under 1k. Why the qualification? SC2 is really easy to run graphically. So if you also want to run ultra settings on OTHER games, budgeting becomes a lot harder.
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